Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

wexie · 17-10-2018 10:36am

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

has anyone ever noticed a traveller doing voluntary community work?

you know tidy towns, painting, cleaning, collecting rubbish etc.

well....I've certainly seen them collecting rubbish.

Not sure in the way that you're referring to though.

Fann Linn · 17-10-2018 10:37am

wexie wrote: »

well....I've certainly seen them collecting rubbish.

Not sure in the way that you're referring to though.

And then dumping it.

Bob Harris · 17-10-2018 10:38am

What he said was true. Everybody agrees.

The question is why would he bother being a candidate to begin with when he hadn't a snowballs other than to further his own profile and business interests.

Dragon's Den investors and the presidential race seems to be the Irish version of rich arabs and premiership clubs.

JMNolan · 17-10-2018 10:38am

Wheres Me Jumper?, if you created a poll and it was 75% no and 25% yes (for example), would you accept that Peter Casey should not withdraw?

meeeeh · 17-10-2018 10:40am

Well it won't win him an election but he has all the chance of getting part of his election cost covered after this.

There are some silly generalisations there but reaction is even more predictable. A bit of outrage and calls to step from the race. That worked so well in American election or any other election where cabdudates/parties with similar opinions gained votes. 'You can't say that' or 'that's disgusting' is probably just about the most useless way to challenge those statements.

wexie · 17-10-2018 10:40am

Fann Linn wrote: »

And then dumping it.

or burning

Yer Da sells Avon · 17-10-2018 10:40am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You misquoted it, that’s why it offended the poster.

It offended the poster because they weren't familiar with the concept and therefore took my question literally. I was wrong to have assumed that they would be familiar with it, and I apologise for that.

tretorn · 17-10-2018 10:40am

Awful people.
That is all.

dense · 17-10-2018 10:42am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I thought it was obvious, but since it seems to have gone right over your head... I'm asking a loaded question, based on a deliberately false premise (in this case that the poster beats their wife), so that I can then accuse them of either dodging the question or failing to answer it satisfactorily.

Demanding answers and talk of accusations?

Sounds like one of those traveller videos on YouTube

no.8 · 17-10-2018 10:43am

sightband wrote:

Purely for self promotion. Theyâ€™re blissfully aware of this and know they havenâ€™t a hope. And itâ€™s working, who even heard of any of these ars*holes before they put themselves forward as candidates.

Care to run yourself ..as a non-ars*hole candidate?

gerrybbadd · 17-10-2018 10:45am

"Racist" comments - how are his comments racist? Are traveller's a separate race now? As well as an ethnic group? Ridiculous.

He's dead right about the situation in Tipperary. He's dead right about the tax comments.

I've often wondered, could anyone become a traveller? If i was to get myself a caravan there and park it up on land someplace, and identify as a traveller, would I be part of this ethnic group then? And the benefits that come with it

wexie · 17-10-2018 10:46am

dense wrote: »

Demanding answers and talk of accusations?

Sounds like one of those traveller videos on YouTube

charming

needtoknow2 · 17-10-2018 10:46am

It’s controversial only because he’s actually said it, his sentiments are at least similar to what very many people will express in private. Whatever about any ‘special’ status and recognition, how about travellers responsibilities as citizens and contributing members of Irish society? Instead there seems to be a sense of entitlement and that it is somehow societies responsibility to pay out for facilities for horses,and for families where nobody is allowed to ask where the father and responsibility is, to accept an above average percentile of offending from within the traveler population - are such matters really an entitlement to a special cultural status? I want to live in a society that values those that need help and support Versus an economy but not to be taken advantage of and pretend that I’m ok with it. Martin Collins from Pavee Point is a bright chap and very eloquent but it’s always the same scripted response to any negative but even fact based story relating to travellers. It’s always just another case of Stereotyping....apparently.

Babooshka · 17-10-2018 10:49am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

And yet... Michael D is on course to get more than two-thirds of the vote. Most people's views on Travellers are a lot more nuanced than simply 'despising' them. I'm sure, beyond your tedious hot air, even you don't genuinely despise them. I mean, are you glad that so many of them are taking their own lives?

Absolutely not, no one wants anyone in any group committing suicide. It shouldn't be either/or though. I would like them to start paying their taxes, sending their kids to school so they don't grow up outside the constraints of the law like the rest of us and in general be responsible for their own lives, caravans or not. Would Michael D like to house some of them in his garden then? The grounds of the aras could accomodate lots of them and their horses, so if he's so open to living alongside that then let him put his money where his mouth is. It isn't black or white, but in my experience it's much easier for people who live above the rest of society to lecture down to them of how they should be tolerant of what they, as an elite, do not have to.

Henry Ford III · 17-10-2018 10:50am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

A vastly higher percentage of male Travellers are killing themselves....

The very definition of futility and frankly stupidity is to fight to maintain a status and lifestyle which ultimately ends in suicide.

Perhaps the Travelling Community needs to look into itself and ascertain where the real problems lie?

lobbylad · 17-10-2018 10:51am

So, a genuine question:

Given that travelers have higher suicide rates, potentially higher rates of criminality (though I've never seen hard facts to support this), lower education/qualifications, lower standards of living etc etc, and that supporting travelers as an "ethnic minority" hasn't improved their conditions, what exactly should be done?

And we often hear that "the traveler culture must be preserved" - but why should it?

Their way of life is gone, its no longer relevant to modern society.

What are the alternatives to the current system?

no.8 · 17-10-2018 10:51am

Fann Linn wrote:

The truth hurts I spose..

I never heard of the guy nor know anything of his politics but you're 100% correct, that is the truth and rather ironically the PC-mob could never except it as such. Hard to believe the lack of reasoning, in that those highlighting such hypocritical policies are generally the ones pushing for a stronger, socially responsible society.

poolboy · 17-10-2018 10:56am

My Father has spent the last week awake at night because he had a visit from travellers offering to do some work for him. He knows as well as everyone else who lives in rural areas does, they’ll be back to rob him of whatever they can soon. He’s 70 and terrified. That’s the traveller reality in Ireland. Special ethnic status? Its a f#&*ing joke.

KrustyUCC · 17-10-2018 10:59am

Casey is not wrong in what he said but is non PC these days

If recognising traveller ethnicity was put to the people in a referendum it would be defeated very heavily imo

Babooshka · 17-10-2018 10:59am

poolboy wrote: »

My Father has spent the last week awake at night because he had a visit from travellers offering to do some work for him. He knows as well as everyone else who lives in rural areas does, they’ll be back to rob him of whatever they can soon. He’s 70 and terrified. That’s the traveller reality in Ireland. Special ethnic status? Its a f#&*ing joke.

Why the media and certain MEP's and politicians and figureheads of this country can only look at one side of the travelling community speaks volumes about selective spin. There are good travellers, there are bad ones, there are good "settled people", there are bad ones, simply giving a blanket ethnic status to all and making them into some kind of mythical creature is ridiculous.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 17-10-2018 11:03am

JMNolan wrote: »

Wheres Me Jumper?, if you created a poll and it was 75% no and 25% yes (for example), would you accept that Peter Casey should not withdraw?

personally i think he should not withdraw.
if anything this will help his showing.

Suckit · 17-10-2018 11:03am

What tax incentives or monetary benefit are these 'businessmen' getting, that makes them all want to run for president with no hope of becoming it?

irishproduce · 17-10-2018 11:03am

sligojoek wrote: »

Martin Collins on Sean O Rourke now.

It is this ****e that adds to it.
He should not be given any soapbox with which to spout rubbish unchallenged.
He is no doubt on there getting his chance to throw the boot into a hard working man who is having a go at bringing something to the presidency.
The dope from Pavee Point needs to be challenged at every turn and opportunity.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 17-10-2018 11:04am

Suckit wrote: »

What tax incentives or monetary benefit are these 'businessmen' getting, that makes them all want to run for president with no hope of becoming it?

ego. publicity. a sense of duty?

Beta Ray Bill · 17-10-2018 11:07am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

The very definition of futility and frankly stupidity is to fight to maintain a status and lifestyle which ultimately ends in suicide.

Perhaps the Travelling Community needs to look into itself and ascertain where the real problems lie?

This is a good point.

But at the end of the day this is Presidential election and the person representing the people of Ireland should technically have the same sentiment of the major of people voting.

It's no secret that the average Joes do not like travelers. I don't like them, and I'm willing to admit that. I'm positive they're not all bad people, but enough of them are such to the extent that I trust none of them.

They cause problems where ever they go, whether it's dumping, stealing, antisocial behavior, animal cruelty etc.
Very few of them work, and those that do don't pay tax.
They represent an large portion of the prison population (20%) relative to the population of the country (<1%).
They absolutely refuse to integrate into society, they have their way and that's it.

Peter has hit home here and earned himself a lot of votes including my own.

But I think society needs to be cautious here, yeah we don't like Travelers.... but who else do we not like?
Blacks?
Hispanics?
Muslims?
Jews?
People from Kerry?

It's a slippery slope, and before you know what's going on we're building a big fu*king wall somewhere cause we're looking for people to blame.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 17-10-2018 11:08am

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Casey is not wrong in what he said but is non PC these days

If recognising traveller ethnicity was put to the people in a referendum it would be defeated very heavily imo

agreed, but ethnicity is not a popularity contest.
it has something to do with DNA i think.

Allinall · 17-10-2018 11:08am

Suckit wrote: »

What tax incentives or monetary benefit are these 'businessmen' getting, that makes them all want to run for president with no hope of becoming it?

None.

It’s costing them all a lot of money.

goat2 · 17-10-2018 11:09am

poolboy wrote: »

My Father has spent the last week awake at night because he had a visit from travellers offering to do some work for him. He knows as well as everyone else who lives in rural areas does, they’ll be back to rob him of whatever they can soon. He’s 70 and terrified. That’s the traveller reality in Ireland. Special ethnic status? Its a f#&*ing joke.

They have also come to my door, are very persuasive, and if I am home alone, I do feel venerable, usually there are two or three, If I want to purchase something, there are plenty hard wear and furniture shops I can go into, and have a guarantee, where do they get tools to sell, I do not want these kind of sales at my door, and would like to feel safe also.
I always take down reg number, make and colour of vehicle, as I did not invite these into my space in the first place

irishproduce · 17-10-2018 11:09am

TheRiverman wrote: »

Perhaps Pavee Point might explain why Travellers go to weddings and funerals of their own community armed with slash hooks,cricket bats,guns etc?.Peter Casey said what probably hundreds of thousands of people in this country think but don't say because of the awful PC world we live in nowadays.Speaking ones mind now is almost classed as a criminal act.

That tide is turning though, slowly but it is turning.

goat2 · 17-10-2018 11:10am

grahambo wrote: »

This is a good point.

But at the end of the day this is Presidential election and the person representing the people of Ireland should technically have the same sentiment of the major of people voting.

It's no secret that the average Joes do not like travelers. I don't like them, and I'm willing to admit that. I'm positive they're not all bad people, but enough of them are such to the extent that I trust none of them.

They cause problems where ever they go, whether it's dumping, stealing, antisocial behavior, animal cruelty etc.
Very few of them work, and those that do don't pay tax.
They represent an large portion of the prison population (20%) relative to the population of the country (<1%).
They absolutely refuse to integrate into society, they have their way and that's it.

Peter has hit home here and earned himself a lot of votes including my own.

But I think society needs to be cautious here, yeah we don't like Travelers.... but who else do we not like?
Blacks?
Hispanics?
Muslims?
Jews?
People from Kerry?

It's a slippery slope, and before you know what's going on we're building a big fu*king wall somewhere cause we're looking for people to blame.

Is it you or everyone in general that do not like people from the Kingdom

Wheres Me Jumper? · 17-10-2018 11:11am

Allinall wrote: »

None.

It’s costing them all a lot of money.

except Michael D.

BPKS · 17-10-2018 11:13am

grahambo wrote: »

This is a good point.

But at the end of the day this is Presidential election and the person representing the people of Ireland should technically have the same sentiment of the major of people voting.

It's no secret that the average Joes do not like travelers. I don't like them, and I'm willing to admit that. I'm positive they're not all bad people, but enough of them are such to the extent that I trust none of them.

They cause problems where ever they go, whether it's dumping, stealing, antisocial behavior, animal cruelty etc.
Very few of them work, and those that do don't pay tax.
They represent an large portion of the prison population (20%) relative to the population of the country (<1%).
They absolutely refuse to integrate into society, they have their way and that's it.

Peter has hit home here and earned himself a lot of votes including my own.

But I think society needs to be cautious here, yeah we don't like Travelers.... but who else do we not like?
Blacks?
Hispanics?
Muslims?
Jews?
People from Kerry?

It's a slippery slope, and before you know what's going on we're building a big fu*king wall somewhere cause we're looking for people to blame.

This is exactly the type of comments that made me start the organisation, Kerrylivesmatter.

Beta Ray Bill · 17-10-2018 11:13am

goat2 wrote: »

Is it you or everyone in general that do not like people from the Kingdom

I f**king love Kerry!
If I could get a well paid IT job down there and didn't have a kid up here in the big schmoke I'd be down there in a second.

Thing is though, people from the Kingdom probably wouldn't like some Jackeen moving down there.

BPKS · 17-10-2018 11:16am

grahambo wrote: »

I f**king love Kerry!
If I could get a well paid IT job down there and didn't have a kid up here in the big schmoke I'd be down there in a second.

Thing is though, people from the Kingdom probably wouldn't like some Jackeen moving down there.

Correct:D

dulux99 · 17-10-2018 11:17am

Nail on the head Peter boy. Good to see someone's not terrified of speaking the truth for once.

JP Liz V1 · 17-10-2018 11:20am

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

except Michael D.

We pay his

Casey has a point, well said

farmerwifelet · 17-10-2018 11:20am

Posted in other thread as well. Watching TV yesterday saw an ad for sponsoring a child so they could stay in school, not be a child bride or beaten into compliance. Thing is you can apply anyone of those to traveller girls.
How can anyone condone this "culture"?

BPKS · 17-10-2018 11:21am

I presume this was a calculated move by Casey.

If it was, then it has worked well. He will get multiples of the amount votes that he would have before.

wexie · 17-10-2018 11:23am

BPKS wrote: »

I presume this was a calculated move by Casey.

If it was, then it has worked well. He will get multiples of the amount votes that he would have before.

Thing is, if he actually wanted to bring about meaningful change then the presidency is not the way to go.

Babooshka · 17-10-2018 11:23am

grahambo wrote: »

Peter has hit home here and earned himself a lot of votes including my own.

But I think society needs to be cautious here, yeah we don't like Travelers.... but who else do we not like?
Blacks?
Hispanics?
Muslims?
Jews?
People from Kerry?

It's a slippery slope, and before you know what's going on we're building a big fu*king wall somewhere cause we're looking for people to blame.

You're not comparing like and like, none of those races or groups above you have mentioned have special status as given to them in Ireland and they don't ask or expect any either.

goat2 · 17-10-2018 11:24am

Now they want him to withdraw from the race,
I hope he stays, he has my vote, had it from the start

ShaneC93 · 17-10-2018 11:24am

BPKS wrote: »

I presume this was a calculated move by Casey.

If it was, then it has worked well. He will get multiples of the amount votes that he would have before.

For sure. He was on 1%, he can't really lose any support.

He will probably be at minimum 3-5% now and will have a lot more considering him for 2nd preference. I still don't think he'll come close to winning but we'll have to see what the polls say as the election day comes closer.

Paulzx · 17-10-2018 11:25am

Fann Linn wrote: »

And then dumping it.

No boss............the settled people keep coming into the site and dumping rubbish...i tells ye, not a word of a lie........

dulux99 · 17-10-2018 11:27am

grahambo wrote: »

This is a good point.

But at the end of the day this is Presidential election and the person representing the people of Ireland should technically have the same sentiment of the major of people voting.

It's no secret that the average Joes do not like travelers. I don't like them, and I'm willing to admit that. I'm positive they're not all bad people, but enough of them are such to the extent that I trust none of them.

They cause problems where ever they go, whether it's dumping, stealing, antisocial behavior, animal cruelty etc.
Very few of them work, and those that do don't pay tax.
They represent an large portion of the prison population (20%) relative to the population of the country (<1%).
They absolutely refuse to integrate into society, they have their way and that's it.

Peter has hit home here and earned himself a lot of votes including my own.

But I think society needs to be cautious here, yeah we don't like Travelers.... but who else do we not like?
Blacks?
Hispanics?
Muslims?
Jews?
People from Kerry?

It's a slippery slope, and before you know what's going on we're building a big fu*king wall somewhere cause we're looking for people to blame.

What a load of bollox that is.

I've never had any negative experience with any of the aforementioned groups of people.

I've had dozens and dozens of negative experience with travellers. There probably are a few honest decent travellers around but I've yet to meet them.

Yer Da sells Avon · 17-10-2018 11:28am

goat2 wrote: »

Now they want him to withdraw from the race,
I hope he stays, he has my vote, had it from the start

I think he's an awful candidate, but I hope he doesn't withdraw because I'm interested in seeing how popular his views are.

Fann Linn · 17-10-2018 11:28am

dulux99 wrote: »

What a load of bollox that is.

I've never had any negative experience with any of the aforementioned groups of people.

I've had dozens and dozens of negative experience with travellers. There probably are a few honest decent travellers around but I've yet to meet them.

I think thats the point grahambo is making.

dulux99 · 17-10-2018 11:30am

Fann Linn wrote: »

I think thats the point grahambo is making.

But making the narrative "it's a slippery slope" is a ridiculous one.

Travellers have caused hassle for people for generations. Creating the "we have to be careful" mindset is bollox. We don't have to be careful, we know what they're like, they've been like it for generations. People aren't looking to actively discriminate against them, their behaviour warrants it.

Uncharted · 17-10-2018 11:32am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I think he's an awful candidate, but I hope he doesn't withdraw because I'm interested in seeing how popular his views are.

No doubt,more popular than yours.

goat2 · 17-10-2018 11:36am

I think of the poor farmer that had to go to the outhouse in the evening with his gun to feel safe, and ended up in jail for protecting himself,

MyStubbleItches · 17-10-2018 11:36am

I wasn't going to vote, except maybe to spoil my vote as a form of protest against Higgins' u-turn on running for a second term. (I believe Higgins is hands down the best candidate but I believe politicians should stand by their statements to the electorate.)

Now I'll definitely be giving Casey my only vote. Not because I think he's a good candidate, in fact I know as little or as much about him as I do about the rest because the whole thing doesn't overly bother me. Because he has echoed my views on the 'travelling community' and I want Fine Gael to know that what they allowed that fool of an Enda to do to the ordinary, hard working people of Ireland (yes Leo, the people who get up early in the morning), isn't viewed as a great, statesman-like act of inclusion.

So not only will any future FG canvassers be told that Enda lost them two second preference votes in this household (my wife shares my views) but I hope that Casey gets a decent return in the polls to show them that it's a sentiment shared by many more.

Good on you Casey for speaking truthfully.

Peter Casey believes Travellers should not be recognised as an ethnic minority

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