Conor McGregor thread (MMA Talk Only - Read 1st Post Before Posting)

FileNotFound · 14-05-2021 3:41pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Cowboy and Conor both cut weight and both weighed 170 lbs ,

Diaz & Conor both weighed more than 165lbs in both fights ,

All 3 fights where WW fights just because the fighters have fought previously at a lighter weight before that doesn't change it ,

Thats where my confusion was - I had thought that the cerrone fight was at LW.

I do suppose that for the sake of arguing he is not cut out for LW you could use the WW fights to argue he is more than able for the weight no?

yourdeadwright · 14-05-2021 5:22pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

Thats where my confusion was - I had thought that the cerrone fight was at LW.

I do suppose that for the sake of arguing he is not cut out for LW you could use the WW fights to argue he is more than able for the weight no?

He more than able to fight & win at LW or WW but he's not when its against the guys at the very top ,

PatrickDoherty · 14-05-2021 5:42pm

Fight camp headed to Vegas in the next few days you'd hope they bring some decent sparring into the camp for his own sake.

FileNotFound · 14-05-2021 5:54pm

PatrickDoherty wrote: »

Fight camp headed to Vegas in the next few days you'd hope they bring some decent sparring into the camp for his own sake.

I really hope he does.

spix · 14-05-2021 6:04pm

PatrickDoherty wrote: »

Fight camp headed to Vegas in the next few days you'd hope they bring some decent sparring into the camp for his own sake.

Bunch of Irish guys who let themselves get beat up

Mellor · 15-05-2021 3:29am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Cowboy and Conor both cut weight and both weighed 170 lbs ,

Diaz & Conor both weighed more than 165lbs in both fights

All 3 fights where WW fights just because the fighters have fought previously at a lighter weight before that doesn't change it ,

Not sure how the above changes anything I said. They didn’t have anything close to a normal weight cut.

I never said they were not officially WW fights.
it was fairly clear to anyone who gets weight cutting that Cowboy and Conor were not actually WW sized.

Diaz & Conor both weighed more than 165lbs in both fights

Almost all LW fighters weigh more than 165 in their fights.

If two fighters cut from 174lbs to 155, it’s officially LW. If they cut to 170 it’s officially WW. It both cases you have two fighters entering the cage at 174-ish. For fights that are largely the same.

I don’t really understand the point is tbh.

derfderf · 15-05-2021 5:36am

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He more than able to fight & win at LW or WW but he's not when its against the guys at the very top ,

And that's all he's fought at LW. Two champs, and another guy that's probably the best in the division now. Comparing Conor and Dustin's record (for example) is unfair. Dustin worked his way up, so some of his wins are against lower tier opposition.

simongurnick · 17-05-2021 2:36pm

PatrickDoherty wrote: »

Fight camp headed to Vegas in the next few days you'd hope they bring some decent sparring into the camp for his own sake.

Are they out there until the fight then, the next two months?

joficeduns1 · 17-05-2021 3:22pm

simongurnick wrote: »

Are they out there until the fight then, the next two months?

Roddy and Kav just flew to Dubai, I'd bet they're staying there a while before relocating to Las Vegas. Plus McGregor will want to spend a bit of time with the newborn.

Axwell · 18-05-2021 2:04pm

Non relevant posts moved to off topic discussion.

US2 · 18-05-2021 2:37pm

Conor moves up to #5 in the rankings this morning despite being 1-2 in the division with the 3 fights spread over 5 years.

18-05-2021 2:40pm

US2 wrote: »

Conor moves up to #5 in the rankings this morning despite being 1-2 in the division with the 3 fights spread over 5 years.

And he got a hiding in his last two LW fights.

MrStuffins · 18-05-2021 2:47pm

I dont see much wrong with that.

He's a former undisputed champion who lost to the retired champ and the current #1 contender.

Mellor · 18-05-2021 3:46pm

US2 wrote: »

Conor moves up to #5 in the rankings this morning despite being 1-2 in the division with the 3 fights spread over 5 years.

Conor moved up a spot because Tony dropped down after the losing at the weekend.
Oliveira is now out of the top 10 so any one not passed by Dariush is up by 1 too.

Starlord_01 · 18-05-2021 4:02pm

Mellor wrote: »

Conor moved up a spot because Tony dropped down after the losing at the weekend.
Oliveira is now out of the top 10 so any one not passed by Dariush is up by 1 too.

Some exciting match ups there to say the least.

US2 · 18-05-2021 4:14pm

Starlord_01 wrote: »

Some exciting match ups there to say the least.

Would like to see Gathje fight Olivera in August, winner fights winner of porrier mcgregor in winter

FileNotFound · 18-05-2021 4:29pm

US2 wrote: »

Would like to see Gathje fight Olivera in August, winner fights winner of porrier mcgregor in winter

If Gaethje could replicate the Ferguson performance it would be a good fight.

Good division if the fights get made.

Really hope Conor gets the head down and works hard now until the fight - could see him getting straight to a title shot if he does get a win

cloudatlas · 18-05-2021 4:59pm

FileNotFound wrote: »

If Gaethje could replicate the Ferguson performance it would be a good fight.

Good division if the fights get made.

Really hope Conor gets the head down and works hard now until the fight - could see him getting straight to a title shot if he does get a win

He has Dana White Privilege.

Homelander · 18-05-2021 6:51pm

Tony should really drop more than 1 ranking at this point. It's not the 3 losses, it's the three brutal one-sided losses where he barely accomplished anything whatsoever.

During the post-fight interviews the last day one of the journalists pointed out that Tony has landed 30 strikes in the last 30 minutes of fighting. That's insane.

I don't know who he would even fight next in the top 15 without being a massive underdog.

Mellor · 18-05-2021 11:20pm

US2 wrote: »

Would like to see Gathje fight Olivera in August, winner fights winner of porrier mcgregor in winter

Gaethje is obviously title fight ready material. But it’s a bit of a hard sell given he is coming off a loss.

Gaethje v Chandler is the match up for me.
Dustin makes most sense given his form.

There’s also take of Max vrs Oliveria rematch. Sets up Max v Dustin rematch, Max v Conner rematch, Dustin v Oliveria.

Starlord_01 · 19-05-2021 10:14am

Homelander wrote: »

Tony should really drop more than 1 ranking at this point. It's not the 3 losses, it's the three brutal one-sided losses where he barely accomplished anything whatsoever.

During the post-fight interviews the last day one of the journalists pointed out that Tony has landed 30 strikes in the last 30 minutes of fighting. That's insane.

I don't know who he would even fight next in the top 15 without being a massive underdog.

Imagine if he did get the Khabib fight :eek:

FileNotFound · 19-05-2021 10:29pm

Homelander wrote: »

Tony should really drop more than 1 ranking at this point. It's not the 3 losses, it's the three brutal one-sided losses where he barely accomplished anything whatsoever.

During the post-fight interviews the last day one of the journalists pointed out that Tony has landed 30 strikes in the last 30 minutes of fighting. That's insane.

I don't know who he would even fight next in the top 15 without being a massive underdog.

Thats a shocking stat - he has to be good as done.

derfderf · 20-05-2021 2:42am

FileNotFound wrote: »

Thats a shocking stat - he has to be good as done.

It's a terrible stat alright, but his record his 25-6. I don't think he'll retire, but his time at the top table is done

Macdarack · 20-05-2021 7:21am

MrStuffins wrote: »

I dont see much wrong with that.

He's a former undisputed champion who lost to the retired champ and the current #1 contender.

If he didnt have Dana White Privilege he wouldn't have got a straight walk into a title shot against a weak title holder. It did set up nicely for him, but if mc gregor had to start his trade off at light weight he'd never had got a shot at a title.

Eircom_Sucks · 20-05-2021 10:32am

Macdarack wrote: »

If he didnt have Dana White Privilege he wouldn't have got a straight walk into a title shot against a weak title holder. It did set up nicely for him, but if mc gregor had to start his trade off at light weight he'd never had got a shot at a title.

if my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle

MrStuffins · 20-05-2021 10:44am

Macdarack wrote: »

If he didnt have Dana White Privilege he wouldn't have got a straight walk into a title shot against a weak title holder. It did set up nicely for him, but if mc gregor had to start his trade off at light weight he'd never had got a shot at a title.

Complete hyperbole.

The whole "Dana White Privilege" thing is cute and all, but you seem to forget that he was the FW Champ at the time who had knocked out the great Jose Aldo in seconds.

But yeah...... Dana White Privilege :rolleyes:

20-05-2021 10:57am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Complete hyperbole.

The whole "Dana White Privilege" thing is cute and all, but you seem to forget that he was the FW Champ at the time who had knocked out the great Jose Aldo in seconds.

But yeah...... Dana White Privilege :rolleyes:

PPV probably had more to do with McGregor's LW title shot in the UFC.

If his fight against Aldo had 100k buys then McGregor would have had to work his way up the LW ladder. I think that's the point being made.

MrStuffins · 20-05-2021 11:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

PPV probably had more to do with McGregor's LW title shot in the UFC.

If his fight against Aldo had 100k buys then McGregor would have had to work his way up the LW ladder. I think that's the point being made.

No it's not.

The point being made is that Conor had the title fight handed to him via "Dana White Privilege" rather than earning it himself by becoming the biggest star in the sport, one of the biggest stars in the world, winning an Interim belt and, most importantly, showing he was Championship material by beating the incumbent FW Champion, a man who had been unbeaten in almost 10 years previously.

The issue with this thread is that almost half are people who dislike Conor and will try to pull him down whatever way they can. Nothing he has done deserves credit.

Then almost half are Conor nut-lickers. He's the greatest thing since sliced bread, shoots lasers out of his eyes and, for some reason, most think Khabib is over rated because their star boy doesn't like him.

And then the rest who want to actually talk about Conor in an unbiased way get caught up in the rubbish.

It's reminiscent of school days when Liverpool & Man United fans would squabble and throw around biased rubbish just because they supported one over the other. It's embarrassing.

20-05-2021 11:59am

MrStuffins wrote: »

No it's not.

The point being made is that Conor had the title fight handed to him via "Dana White Privilege" rather than earning it himself by becoming the biggest star in the sport, one of the biggest stars in the world, winning an Interim belt and, most importantly, showing he was Championship material by beating the incumbent FW Champion, a man who had been unbeaten in almost 10 years previously.

The issue with this thread is that almost half are people who dislike Conor and will try to pull him down whatever way they can. Nothing he has done deserves credit.

Then almost half are Conor nut-lickers. He's the greatest thing since sliced bread, shoots lasers out of his eyes and, for some reason, most think Khabib is over rated because their star boy doesn't like him.

And then the rest who want to actually talk about Conor in an unbiased way get caught up in the rubbish.

It's reminiscent of school days when Liverpool & Man United fans would squabble and throw around biased rubbish just because they supported one over the other. It's embarrassing.

I think what I said above is perfectly reasonable. You're entitled to label me as you wish.

MrStuffins · 20-05-2021 12:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think what I said above is perfectly reasonable.

Let's break it down then.........

Deleted User wrote: »

PPV probably had more to do with McGregor's LW title shot in the UFC.

I think that's the point being made.

So PPV is the point being made?

Macdarack wrote: »

If he didnt have Dana White Privilege he wouldn't have got a straight walk into a title shot against a weak title holder. It did set up nicely for him, but if mc gregor had to start his trade off at light weight he'd never had got a shot at a title.

If you can show me in this post where PPV is mentioned, i'd appreciate it.

Consider that "Dana White Privilege" was a term thrown at Michael Chandler, who had never headlined a PPV in his life.

Your post may be reasonable, but it is in no way accurate

20-05-2021 12:17pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Let's break it down then.........

So PPV is the point being made?

If you can show me in this post where PPV is mentioned, i'd appreciate it.

Consider that "Dana White Privilege" was a term thrown at Michael Chandler, who had never headlined a PPV in his life.

Your post may be reasonable, but it is in no way accurate

I'm the one making the PPV/financial inference.

No high PPVs, no "Dana White Privilege" is the point. How else do you explain McGregor getting whatever he wants, whenever he wants it? Why does Jon Jones, considered by many to be the GOAT, get the run around on pay? It's because he's never broken a million buys, so he has no leverage.

The Chandler matchup happened because of the Khabib-McGregor-Poirier love triangle. The belt was vacant after the McGregor Poirier match was set (I think), they had to make a fight for it. UFC match making has been a joke since McGregor mania exploded. I don't think Chandler was Dana White Privilege. It's just a consequence of Dana constantly accommodating McGregor's needs.

Tazzimus · 20-05-2021 12:23pm

Chandler got the shot because Dustin rightly chose the bigger payday first over the belt.
He still has the option to go for the belt after getting paid.

Legend_DIT · 20-05-2021 12:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm the one making the PPV/financial inference.

No high PPVs, no "Dana White Privilege" is the point. How else do you explain McGregor getting whatever he wants, whenever he wants it? Why does Jon Jones, considered by many to be the GOAT, get the run around on pay? It's because he's never broken a million buys, so he has no leverage.

The Chandler matchup happened because of the Khabib-McGregor-Poirier love triangle. The belt was vacant after the McGregor Poirier match was set (I think), they had to make a fight for it. UFC match making has been a joke since McGregor mania exploded. I don't think Chandler was Dana White Privilege. It's just a consequence of Dana constantly accommodating McGregor's needs.

It seemed like you were saying Macdarack's "Dana White Privilege" was a shorthand for strong PPV and high gate performance when you said 'I think that's the point being made.'

However, I read it as those invoking 'Dana White Privilege' at Conor seeming to just ignore all the achievements that led to Conor getting opportunities (like the PPV performance you mention), and merely believe that Dana has his favourite people who get treated favourably for no reason.

20-05-2021 12:40pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Chandler got the shot because Dustin rightly chose the bigger payday first over the belt.
He still has the option to go for the belt after getting paid.

Exactly, it ultimately comes back to McGregor. He's the money magnet. That's why he was allowed to hold up the featherweight division for no reason for over a year. That's why he got a title fight for his LW debut after he lost and then scraped a win over Diaz at WW. And it's why the Chandler Oliveira matchup happened, because the best fighter in the division (Poirier) wanted the money fight.

It's all about money, and McGregor sits at the top of that throne.

20-05-2021 12:41pm

Legend_DIT wrote: »

merely believe that Dana has his favourite people who get treated favourably for no reason.

That's clearly a moronic view. Does anyone actually believe that?

MrStuffins · 20-05-2021 12:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm the one making the PPV/financial inference.

Only now, after realising that the poster I was replying to said absolutely nothing about PPV.

If you're going to throw your spanner into conversations involving others, the least you can do it try to keep up

20-05-2021 12:51pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Only now, after realising that the poster I was replying to said absolutely nothing about PPV.

If you're going to throw your spanner into conversations involving others, the least you can do it try to keep up

I'll say whatever I like and there's nothing you can do to stop me. If you can't comprehend the fact that people might make more than one point per post, then I can't help you.

Conor McGregor has Dana White Privilege. Yay.

MrStuffins · 20-05-2021 12:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll say whatever I like and there's nothing you can do to stop me. If you can't comprehend the fact that people might make more than one point per post, then I can't help you.

Are you now implying that the poster I was replying to was, in fact, making a point about PPV, after saying he wasn't and it was you who was?

You're all over the shop man. Give it up!

20-05-2021 12:56pm

Macdarack wrote: »

If he didnt have Dana White Privilege he wouldn't have got a straight walk into a title shot against a weak title holder. It did set up nicely for him, but if mc gregor had to start his trade off at light weight he'd never had got a shot at a title.

This is 100% accurate.

20-05-2021 12:56pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Are you now implying that the poster I was replying to was, in fact, making a point about PPV, after saying he wasn't and it was you who was?!

No.

MrStuffins · 20-05-2021 1:06pm

Conor signs with the UFC and has exciting fights, building his popularity >

He's the best prospect in the FW division, beating the likes of Holloway (prelim on a Fight Night) & Poirier (Not even co-main on a card that lost it's main event twice), and builds his popularity even further >

Becomes a contender and TKOs #1 contender and former title contender Chad Mendes to become interim champ, solidifying his championship credentials and becomes more popular. This is his first PPV headliner >

He KOs Jose Aldo in only his PPV headliner in 13 seconds. By now he is a true superstar.

Let's not pretend that he didn't earn every single bit of privilege he got. It's not as if he was CM Punk and was being given the spotlight that he hadn't earned in MMA.

He built his way towards being the star he is today the proper way. It was no accident.

Mellor · 20-05-2021 3:18pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is 100% accurate.

How is that accurate? (There’s no mentions of PPV, which is also wrong, but a different point).

I feel like people talking and Conor being given special treatment in that FW era only started watching MMA for Conor fights around then.
The idea that he was given special treatment with the immediate shot is pretty hilarious.

The UFC wanted a Champ v Champ super fight for years. GSP wouldn’t move up to fight Silva.
Aldo was offered a LW shot, also said no.
BJ was one to attempted it years earlier, but lost.

Conor wasn’t given special treatment. He was the first champ willing to step up as incumbent.
Since then Nunes, Max, Cejudo, Izzy, all were willing. And all got the same “special treatment”. Jones now too.
Has there been a single champ wanting a shot at a higher weight belt but refused? Nope afaik.

Do you think Khabib or Usman don’t get an immediate shot also if they wanted. Again nope.

20-05-2021 3:39pm

Mellor wrote: »

How is that accurate? (There’s no mentions of PPV, which is also wrong, but a different point).

I feel like people talking and Conor being given special treatment in that FW era only started watching MMA for Conor fights around then.
The idea that he was given special treatment with the immediate shot is pretty hilarious.

The UFC wanted a Champ v Champ super fight for years. GSP wouldn’t move up to fight Silva.
Aldo was offered a LW shot, also said no.
BJ was one to attempted it years earlier, but lost.

Conor wasn’t given special treatment. He was the first champ willing to step up as incumbent.
Since then Nunes, Max, Cejudo, Izzy, all were willing. And all got the same “special treatment”. Jones now too.
Has there been a single champ wanting a shot at a higher weight belt but refused? Nope afaik.

Do you think Khabib or Usman don’t get an immediate shot also if they wanted. Again nope.

Are you still convincing yourself that the cowboy fight was at lightweight?

:pac:

bmcc10 · 20-05-2021 4:55pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Exactly, it ultimately comes back to McGregor. He's the money magnet. That's why he was allowed to hold up the featherweight division for no reason for over a year. That's why he got a title fight for his LW debut after he lost and then scraped a win over Diaz at WW. And it's why the Chandler Oliveira matchup happened, because the best fighter in the division (Poirier) wanted the money fight.

It's all about money, and McGregor sits at the top of that throne.

He was supposed to fight RDA for the LW title who pulled out of the fight hence why he fought Diaz the first time.

He saved a card when he could easily have sat out and waited for the title fight when the fight got pulled.

There is no privilege here at all he fully deserved that fight. He stepped up and fought Mendez too when Aldo pulled out too just months before that too when again he could have easily said no and waited.

20-05-2021 4:58pm

bmcc10 wrote: »

He was supposed to fight RDA for the LW title who pulled out of the fight hence why he fought Diaz the first time.

He saved a card when he could easily have sat out and waited for the title fight when the fight got pulled.

There is no privilege here at all he fully deserved that fight. He stepped up and fought Mendez too when Aldo pulled out too just months before when again he could have said no.

So, are you saying a champion in any division is automatically entitled to a championship shot in a neighboring division?

Or just one who wins a belt, then loses a fight, then scrapes a win, all while holding up the division they are champion of for a year?

Which is it?

Tazzimus · 20-05-2021 5:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So, are you saying a champion in any division is automatically entitled to a championship shot in a neighboring division?

Or just one who wins a belt, then loses a fight, then scrapes a win, all while holding up the division they are champion of for a year?

Which is it?

Not sure why you're trying to single out Conor here. Other champs of various divisions have moved to a different one to fight for that belt, are they all getting special treatment?

yourdeadwright · 20-05-2021 5:09pm

Personally I think any Champions should have the right to step up to fight a Champion in the next higher weight class
(of course as long as there is no nailed on number 1 contender who full deserves it first )

Don't Like the idea of champion wanting to go to fight for a belt ,

MrStuffins · 20-05-2021 5:12pm

TJ Dillashaw got an immediate title shot despite selling a grand total of 6 PPVs in his life.

The insinuation here is that Conor didn't earn his spot.

He more than earned his spot!

20-05-2021 5:12pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Not sure why you're trying to single out Conor here.

Who got that treatment first? Got to move up a division while retaining their belt without defending it for an entire year?

I'm not sure either...

Tazzimus · 20-05-2021 5:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Who got that treatment first? Got to move up a division while retaining their belt without defending it for an entire year?

I'm not sure either...

Fairly sure BJ Penn

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