Peter Casey to contest the European elections

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 8:40am

Jackman25 wrote: »

Virtue Signalling nonsense as usual from you. Why don't you run for election on a platform of constantly whining about After Hours. I have never seen someone do so much whinging about a forum and yet post in almost every thread on it. Its almost like you need to be seen to be giving out about it.

I voted for him in the election and I can guarantee I certainly wouldn't have voted for him if there was any anti-gay/trans commentary from him and I imagine many more would have been the same. But it suits your ilk to paint a broad brush over anyone that might have agreed somewhat with his comments on travellers.

What did he actually do about traveller issues though? Only entrench opinion more.

Why does this successful business man constantly assume he is entitled to the top job without actually rolling his sleeves up and doing some work?
He miserably lost the Seanad Election (he got 14 votes when 113 were required) and he got 23% of the presidential vote while the frontrunner got 56%. Not even close again. He wanted to join FF and take the leadership immediately without doing any actual work.

The majority of the electorate are clearly sending him a message - 'do some actual work and get back to us'.

Mad_maxx · 12-04-2019 9:02am

bobbysands81 wrote: »

So let’s vote for him because he doesn’t like Travellers?

He didn't say that, he illustrated how travellers want special treatment as shown in the tipperary situation where they refused to move into new homes without an area for horses

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 9:12am

Mad_maxx wrote:

He didn't say that, he illustrated how travellers want special treatment as shown in the tipperary situation where they refused to move into new homes without an area for horses

Said houses are still lying idle in the middle of a housing crisis.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 9:16am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Said houses are still lying idle in the middle of a housing crisis.

And what we have to assess as an electorate is, did Casey's intervention make resolution of that, better or worse?

Clearly as it isn't resolved the suspicion is that negative, finger-pointing publicity hasn't helped.

suicide_circus · 12-04-2019 9:18am

populist
/ˈpɒpjʊlɪst/

noun

a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.

oh no, not a populist!

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 9:26am

FrancieBrady wrote:

And what we have to assess as an electorate is, did Casey's intervention make resolution of that, better or worse?

He called out the bs travellers engage in and many agree with him especially those that are footing the bill for the traveller lifestyle. His intervention made it harder for the travellers in question to try and blackmail the council for stables. So I guess Better for the taxpayer Worse for the travellers.;-). Although it was funny to see him being called racist when he said everyone should be treated the SAME.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 9:29am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He called out the bs travellers engage in and many agree with him especially those that are footing the bill for the traveller lifestyle. His intervention made it harder for the travellers in question to try and blackmail the council for stables. So I guess Better for the taxpayer Worse for the travellers.;-). .

...which has led to a satisfactory resolution of the issue/issues for the taxpayer?

Eh...nope. :rolleyes:

Padraig Mor · 12-04-2019 9:29am

The far left, anti worker types seem to really really hate Casey don't they? How dare anyone question the cosy media consensus on the unaffordable welfare state and take working people into consideration! A sniff of a thread on the man and it's like a dogwhistle (they love that word!) has been blown - and they arrive en masse (well, all 3 or 4 of them) snarling and shouting down anyone who has a different opinion to them. We've seen it just in the last page here - equating Casey voters with "anti gay, anti trans" views etc etc etc (I've even seen his election comments - which were, let's not forget, rather mild and certainly not extreme - described as "hate speech"). The point has been made before, but this is exactly how Trump got elected (which is where Casey's comparison with the bould Donald ends IMHO).

12-04-2019 9:30am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And what we have to assess as an electorate is, did Casey's intervention make resolution of that, better or worse?

Clearly as it isn't resolved the suspicion is that negative, finger-pointing publicity hasn't helped.

So you are saying that it’s Peter Caseys fault now for them still refusing to move in?

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 9:31am

FrancieBrady wrote:

...which has led to a satisfactory resolution of the issue/issues for the taxpayer?

They didn't get the stables they were demanding. That to me is a result. Has your party got over the trauma of Casey hammering their candidate?

12-04-2019 9:32am

suicide_circus wrote: »

populist

oh no, not a populist!

Yes - a populist:

"An ideology like fascism involves a holistic view of how politics, the economy, and society as a whole should be ordered. Populism doesn’t; it calls for kicking out the political establishment, but it doesn’t specify what should replace it. So it’s usually paired with “thicker” left- or right-wing ideologies like socialism or nationalism.
Populists are dividers, not uniters, Mudde told me. They split society into “two homogenous and antagonistic groups: the pure people on the one end and the corrupt elite on the other,” and say they’re guided by the “will of the people.” The United States is what political scientists call a “liberal democracy,” a system “based on pluralism—on the idea that you have different groups with different interests and values, which are all legitimate,” Mudde explained. Populists, in contrast, are not pluralist. They consider just one group—whatever they mean by “the people”—legitimate."

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/what-is-populist-trump/516525/

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 9:33am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

So you are saying that it’s Peter Caseys fault now for them still refusing to move in?

What?

Far as I know that they were 'refusing to move in' was WHY Casey got involved.

I asked the question - is a resolution of that situation easier or harder now that he put his oar in?

I think it will be almost impossible now because he just entrenched opinion...he had no solutions.
Politicians getting involved in single issues without any solutions are dangerous in my opinion.

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 9:33am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote:

So you are saying that itâ€™s Peter Caseys fault now for them still refusing to move in?

Well Casey highlighting the vacant houses and the reasons behind it can I suppose on twisted logic attribute blame to him.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 9:34am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They didn't get the stables they were demanding. That to me is a result. Has your party got over the trauma of Casey hammering their candidate?

My chosen candidate beat Casey by more than double his vote.

weldoninhio · 12-04-2019 9:38am

tayto lover wrote: »

He might only take half the wage Francine.

Or he could pull the SF switcheroo, like Liadh admitted, of taking the "average industrial wage" before tax.

12-04-2019 9:41am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

Far as I know that they were 'refusing to move in' was WHY Casey got involved.

I asked the question - is a resolution of that situation easier or harder now that he put his oar in?

I think it will be almost impossible now because he just entrenched opinion...he had no solutions.
Politicians getting involved in single issues without any solutions are dangerous in my opinion.

Their reasons for not moving in are ridiculous. What solutions and resolutions are needed? They have the most modern, cost efficient houses built for them yet they refuse to move in cos, stables! ****ing stables. This is all on them, not the council, not the taxpayers and not Casey.

Casey hasn’t made anything worse he voiced how insane the whole situation was and people agreed, enmasse

Gael23 · 12-04-2019 9:42am

Is Marian Harkin running again?

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 9:43am

Gael23 wrote: »

Is Marian Harkin running again?

No. Retiring.

Danzy · 12-04-2019 9:44am

Gael23 wrote: »

Is Marian Harkin running again?

Don't think so article on paper said she was not goìng to, quoted her

Danzy · 12-04-2019 9:47am

1641 wrote: »

Yes - a populist:

"An ideology like fascism involves a holistic view of how politics, the economy, and society as a whole should be ordered. Populism doesn’t; it calls for kicking out the political establishment, but it doesn’t specify what should replace it. So it’s usually paired with “thicker” left- or right-wing ideologies like socialism or nationalism.
Populists are dividers, not uniters, Mudde told me. They split society into “two homogenous and antagonistic groups: the pure people on the one end and the corrupt elite on the other,” and say they’re guided by the “will of the people.” The United States is what political scientists call a “liberal democracy,” a system “based on pluralism—on the idea that you have different groups with different interests and values, which are all legitimate,” Mudde explained. Populists, in contrast, are not pluralist. They consider just one group—whatever they mean by “the people”—legitimate."

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/what-is-populist-trump/516525/

Cas Mudde and his Trot world views, shouldn't be taken as gospel.

He can make good point but he has an outlook which he seeks confirmation of.

Gael23 · 12-04-2019 9:49am

Danzy wrote: »

Don't think so article on paper said she was not goìng to, quoted her

That’s an independent seat up for grabs. Casey and. Ming might get elected.

seamus · 12-04-2019 9:50am

Casey is an absolutely clueless cretin.

For someone unknown reason a show had him on the panel to talk about Brexit a few weeks back. He mumbled a few irrelevant things, talked actual nonsense for about 30 seconds, then the rest of the panel spent the rest of the show basically pretending that Casey wasn't sitting there at all, such was his inability to contribute anything meaningful.

This is about getting his face on the telly for Casey and nothing more.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 9:55am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Their reasons for not moving in are ridiculous. What solutions and resolutions are needed? They have the most modern, cost efficient houses built for them yet they refuse to move in cos, stables! ****ing stables. This is all on them, not the council, not the taxpayers and not Casey.

Casey hasn’t made anything worse he voiced how insane the whole situation was and people agreed, enmasse

As pointed out before - the turning down of social housing extends right across society, not just to a series of houses in Tipp. Here are the figures for his own county - did he choose to 'highlight' this on his crusade? Nope, he went for an easy target because he knew there were votes out there for it.
If he wanted a ridiculous example, why not the woman who turned down a house 'because the sea view made her seasick'?
https://donegalnews.com/2017/11/almost-40-social-housing-offers-rejected/

More figures here.

https://www.joe.ie/news/social-housing-turned-down-589003

Can you answer the question: Did Casey's intervention make resolution of this single incidence in Tipp easier or harder?

If the answer is 'easier' - can you point to evidence of that, ...like the situation actually being resolved?

Danzy · 12-04-2019 9:57am

Gael23 wrote: »

That’s an independent seat up for grabs. Casey and. Ming might get elected.

They both could, the problem for him is the 3 sitting Meps running are popular, well known and well spread out, you'd have to think that whatever hoodrat FF will run will get enough seats to get in as well.

Edgware · 12-04-2019 9:59am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As pointed out before - the turning down of social housing extends right across society, not just to a series of houses in Tipp. Here are the figures for his own county - did he choose to 'highlight' this on his crusade? Nope, he went for an easy target because he knew there were votes out there for it.
If he wanted a ridiculous example, why not the woman who turned down a house 'because the sea view made her seasick'?
https://donegalnews.com/2017/11/almost-40-social-housing-offers-rejected/

More figures here.

https://www.joe.ie/news/social-housing-turned-down-589003

Can you answer the question: Did Casey's intervention make resolution of this single incidence in Tipp easier or harder?

If the answer is 'easier' - can you point to evidence of that, ...like the situation actually being resolved?

Seems like someone is scared of Casey

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 10:01am

Edgware wrote: »

Seems like someone is scared of Casey

:D:D

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 10:03am

FrancieBrady wrote:

My chosen candidate beat Casey by more than double his vote.

Casey placed 2nd out of nowhere. I don't think anyone thought Mickey D was in danger.

12-04-2019 10:07am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As pointed out before - the turning down of social housing extends right across society, not just to a series of houses in Tipp. Here are the figures for his own county - did he choose to 'highlight' this on his crusade? Nope, he went for an easy target because he knew there were votes out there for it.
If he wanted a ridiculous example, why not the woman who turned down a house 'because the sea view made her seasick'?
https://donegalnews.com/2017/11/almost-40-social-housing-offers-rejected/

More figures here.

https://www.joe.ie/news/social-housing-turned-down-589003

Can you answer the question: Did Casey's intervention make resolution of this single incidence in Tipp easier or harder?

If the answer is 'easier' - can you point to evidence of that, ...like the situation actually being resolved?

The Tipperary houses were in the news at the time and that’s why he brought it up. Then, the media pounced on him calling him all names.

He made the issue neither easier or harder. If he had never raised the issue and had stuck to being last for the presidential race, those travellers would still be where they are now, holding out for more and feeling hard done by. They have no shame at all and I’m disgusted by them.

Danzy · 12-04-2019 10:07am

Casey also did well because he was the only opposition to a coronation candidate.

Most were also rans from the get go. Gallagher was last times man and no one cared. Joan and Gavin had nothing to say and Liadh was catch phrase machine, came on lots but was the wrong pick from the get go.

12-04-2019 10:10am

I’d love to hear from some Tipperary posters and what the candidates in the local elections are saying to them.

kowloon · 12-04-2019 10:15am

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Sorry to upset you all. I think Peter Casey is exactly what Ireland needs after the last 4 years of pcbrigade protected snowflake agenda. People having to think before they open their mouths incase they offend someone. Every word they say been scrutinised. Its actually worse now than UK. He would be amazing as taoiseach . Over and out.

That's embarrassing to read.

Deebles McBeebles · 12-04-2019 10:18am

riffmongous wrote: »

Banning certain plastics is a good idea but I doubt it will gel with the people who support his other policies

Now why would you think that? Travellers and plastics are both bad for the environment.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 10:21am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The Tipperary houses were in the news at the time and that’s why he brought it up. Then, the media pounced on him calling him all names.

He made the issue neither easier or harder. If he had never raised the issue and had stuck to being last for the presidential race, those travellers would still be where they are now, holding out for more and feeling hard done by. They have no shame at all and I’m disgusted by them.

Typical. Use the media to exploit a single issue for easy kneejerk votes, then whinge about same media when it doesn't play ball.

12-04-2019 10:22am

Francie, you’re doing my head in!

recedite · 12-04-2019 10:28am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

he got the floor and talked about how 4 of his children ate meat and the 5th didn't - so there was nothing to be worried about, he was more concerned about single use plastics and a whale who had turned up with x amount of plastic in his stomach. And when he was interrupted by somebody who said that it 'was all linked' he said, smiling, 'tell that to the whale'.

You think this is a sign of 'intelligence'?

It was a good riposte. A quick wit is a sign of intelligence.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 10:43am

recedite wrote: »

It was a good riposte. A quick wit is a sign of intelligence.

Wit? We must have different definitions of that. It was certainly sarcastic and we know what is said about that.

What about the stuff about his children, was that a 'witty' addition to the discussion and his attention seeking laughing, was he internally enjoying his own wit?

:D
I see Virgin have the show up on site, I will have another look and see can I figure out in the cold light of day what the F*** he was on about. I may be gone some time!

suicide_circus · 12-04-2019 10:43am

1641 wrote: »

Yes - a populist:

"An ideology like fascism involves a holistic view of how politics, the economy, and society as a whole should be ordered. Populism doesn’t; it calls for kicking out the political establishment, but it doesn’t specify what should replace it. So it’s usually paired with “thicker” left- or right-wing ideologies like socialism or nationalism.
Populists are dividers, not uniters, Mudde told me. They split society into “two homogenous and antagonistic groups: the pure people on the one end and the corrupt elite on the other,” and say they’re guided by the “will of the people.” The United States is what political scientists call a “liberal democracy,” a system “based on pluralism—on the idea that you have different groups with different interests and values, which are all legitimate,” Mudde explained. Populists, in contrast, are not pluralist. They consider just one group—whatever they mean by “the people”—legitimate."

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/what-is-populist-trump/516525/

Godwin

Cienciano · 12-04-2019 10:46am

Padraig Mor wrote: »

The far left, anti worker types seem to really really hate Casey don't they? How dare anyone question the cosy media consensus on the unaffordable welfare state and take working people into consideration! A sniff of a thread on the man and it's like a dogwhistle (they love that word!) has been blown - and they arrive en masse (well, all 3 or 4 of them) snarling and shouting down anyone who has a different opinion to them. We've seen it just in the last page here - equating Casey voters with "anti gay, anti trans" views etc etc etc (I've even seen his election comments - which were, let's not forget, rather mild and certainly not extreme - described as "hate speech"). The point has been made before, but this is exactly how Trump got elected (which is where Casey's comparison with the bould Donald ends IMHO).

But picking a guy on the basis that he hates travellers to represent our interests in Europe is fúcking stupid

suicide_circus · 12-04-2019 10:47am

https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-whatsapp-4286441-Oct2018/
lol

suicide_circus · 12-04-2019 10:47am

Cienciano wrote: »

But picking a guy on the basis that he hates travellers to represent our interests in Europe is fúcking stupid

what basis should the candidate be chosen on? they dont do anything.

like the presidency its a nominal office, perfect for a protest vote

mgn · 12-04-2019 10:50am

Cienciano wrote: »

But picking a guy on the basis that he hates travellers to represent our interests in Europe is fúcking stupid

When did he say he hated travellers.

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 10:52am

Cienciano wrote:

But picking a guy on the basis that he hates travellers to represent our interests in Europe is fÃºcking stupid

He doesn't hate travellers, he said everyone should be treated the same. Can't see an issue with that sentiment myself.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 11:05am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He doesn't hate travellers, he said everyone should be treated the same. Can't see an issue with that sentiment myself.

Nobody ever denied that there are issues around travellers that need addressing.

What Casey primarily achieved was unleashing the hate mongers, who are very good at hating but are short on any practical solutions (which granting of ethnic status was intended to be) like Casey himself. He even surprised himself at the vitriol he unleashed and had to take a break from the campaign to deal with it.

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 11:24am

FrancieBrady wrote:

What Casey primarily achieved was unleashing the hate mongers, who are very good at hating but are short on any practical solutions (which granting of ethnic status was intended to be) like Casey himself. He even surprised himself at the vitriol he unleashed and had to take a break from the campaign to deal with it.

Casey put the spotlight on traveller behaviour, the lefties went ape****.

Grayson · 12-04-2019 11:29am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Casey put the spotlight on traveller behaviour, the lefties went ape****.

Put the spotlight on it? No-one was talking about it before?

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 11:32am

FrancieBrady wrote:

Nobody ever denied that there are issues around travellers that need addressing.

Didn't you and a group of your buddies make a compliant about Casey to the Guards? How did that work out? They arrest him yet?

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 11:42am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Casey put the spotlight on traveller behaviour, the lefties went ape****.

And achieved precisely what?

They got to vent I suppose, but in practical terms, that just entrenched positions more.
Great.
Now he is going to try it again and run a campaign that is Irexit in everything but name, which allows him to do exactly the same thing as he did with travellers - i.e. he will voice soundbytes that appeal to those who have a kneejerk, irrational dislike/hate of the EU then wave his hands and say I never said I hate the EU. :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 11:46am

FrancieBrady wrote:

And achieved precisely what?

How'd your compliant work out against Casey? Incitement to hatred or some other spurious claim wasn't it? Did you give the Guards proof not just your opinion.

FrancieBrady · 12-04-2019 11:46am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Didn't you and a group of your buddies make a compliant about Casey to the Guards? How did that work out? They arrest him yet?

Yes we did and it went nowhere. What he said didn't reach the 'threshold' apparently.

You can see that as luck on Casey's part, or that he cleverly crafted it to fall short of incitement legislation.

Plumbthedepths · 12-04-2019 11:47am

FrancieBrady wrote:

Yes we did and it went nowhere. What he said didn't reach the 'threshold' apparently.

Yeah I remember several telling you your compliant would be filed in the bin.

Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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