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Peter Casey to contest the European elections

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    #212
    1641
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    populist


    oh no, not a populist!


    Yes - a populist:


    "An ideology like fascism involves a holistic view of how politics, the economy, and society as a whole should be ordered. Populism doesn’t; it calls for kicking out the political establishment, but it doesn’t specify what should replace it. So it’s usually paired with “thicker” left- or right-wing ideologies like socialism or nationalism.
    Populists are dividers, not uniters, Mudde told me. They split society into “two homogenous and antagonistic groups: the pure people on the one end and the corrupt elite on the other,” and say they’re guided by the “will of the people.” The United States is what political scientists call a “liberal democracy,” a system “based on pluralism—on the idea that you have different groups with different interests and values, which are all legitimate,” Mudde explained. Populists, in contrast, are not pluralist. They consider just one group—whatever they mean by “the people”—legitimate."


    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/what-is-populist-trump/516525/


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    #213
    FrancieBrady
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    So you are saying that it’s Peter Caseys fault now for them still refusing to move in?

    What?

    Far as I know that they were 'refusing to move in' was WHY Casey got involved.

    I asked the question - is a resolution of that situation easier or harder now that he put his oar in?

    I think it will be almost impossible now because he just entrenched opinion...he had no solutions.
    Politicians getting involved in single issues without any solutions are dangerous in my opinion.


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    #214
    Plumbthedepths
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote:
    So you are saying that it’s Peter Caseys fault now for them still refusing to move in?


    Well Casey highlighting the vacant houses and the reasons behind it can I suppose on twisted logic attribute blame to him.


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    #215
    FrancieBrady
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    They didn't get the stables they were demanding. That to me is a result. Has your party got over the trauma of Casey hammering their candidate?

    My chosen candidate beat Casey by more than double his vote.


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    #216
    weldoninhio
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    He might only take half the wage Francine.

    Or he could pull the SF switcheroo, like Liadh admitted, of taking the "average industrial wage" before tax.


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    #217
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What?

    Far as I know that they were 'refusing to move in' was WHY Casey got involved.

    I asked the question - is a resolution of that situation easier or harder now that he put his oar in?

    I think it will be almost impossible now because he just entrenched opinion...he had no solutions.
    Politicians getting involved in single issues without any solutions are dangerous in my opinion.

    Their reasons for not moving in are ridiculous. What solutions and resolutions are needed? They have the most modern, cost efficient houses built for them yet they refuse to move in cos, stables! ****ing stables. This is all on them, not the council, not the taxpayers and not Casey.

    Casey hasn’t made anything worse he voiced how insane the whole situation was and people agreed, enmasse


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    #218
    Gael23
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    Is Marian Harkin running again?


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    #219
    FrancieBrady
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    Is Marian Harkin running again?

    No. Retiring.


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    #220
    Danzy
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    Is Marian Harkin running again?

    Don't think so article on paper said she was not goìng to, quoted her


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    #221
    Danzy
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    1641 wrote: »
    Yes - a populist:


    "An ideology like fascism involves a holistic view of how politics, the economy, and society as a whole should be ordered. Populism doesn’t; it calls for kicking out the political establishment, but it doesn’t specify what should replace it. So it’s usually paired with “thicker” left- or right-wing ideologies like socialism or nationalism.
    Populists are dividers, not uniters, Mudde told me. They split society into “two homogenous and antagonistic groups: the pure people on the one end and the corrupt elite on the other,” and say they’re guided by the “will of the people.” The United States is what political scientists call a “liberal democracy,” a system “based on pluralism—on the idea that you have different groups with different interests and values, which are all legitimate,” Mudde explained. Populists, in contrast, are not pluralist. They consider just one group—whatever they mean by “the people”—legitimate."


    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/what-is-populist-trump/516525/

    Cas Mudde and his Trot world views, shouldn't be taken as gospel.

    He can make good point but he has an outlook which he seeks confirmation of.


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    #222
    Gael23
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Don't think so article on paper said she was not goìng to, quoted her

    That’s an independent seat up for grabs. Casey and. Ming might get elected.


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    #223
    seamus
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    Casey is an absolutely clueless cretin.

    For someone unknown reason a show had him on the panel to talk about Brexit a few weeks back. He mumbled a few irrelevant things, talked actual nonsense for about 30 seconds, then the rest of the panel spent the rest of the show basically pretending that Casey wasn't sitting there at all, such was his inability to contribute anything meaningful.

    This is about getting his face on the telly for Casey and nothing more.


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    #224
    FrancieBrady
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Their reasons for not moving in are ridiculous. What solutions and resolutions are needed? They have the most modern, cost efficient houses built for them yet they refuse to move in cos, stables! ****ing stables. This is all on them, not the council, not the taxpayers and not Casey.

    Casey hasn’t made anything worse he voiced how insane the whole situation was and people agreed, enmasse

    As pointed out before - the turning down of social housing extends right across society, not just to a series of houses in Tipp. Here are the figures for his own county - did he choose to 'highlight' this on his crusade? Nope, he went for an easy target because he knew there were votes out there for it.
    If he wanted a ridiculous example, why not the woman who turned down a house 'because the sea view made her seasick'?
    https://donegalnews.com/2017/11/almost-40-social-housing-offers-rejected/

    More figures here.

    https://www.joe.ie/news/social-housing-turned-down-589003

    Can you answer the question: Did Casey's intervention make resolution of this single incidence in Tipp easier or harder?

    If the answer is 'easier' - can you point to evidence of that, ...like the situation actually being resolved?


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    #225
    Danzy
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    That’s an independent seat up for grabs. Casey and. Ming might get elected.

    They both could, the problem for him is the 3 sitting Meps running are popular, well known and well spread out, you'd have to think that whatever hoodrat FF will run will get enough seats to get in as well.


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    #226
    Edgware
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    As pointed out before - the turning down of social housing extends right across society, not just to a series of houses in Tipp. Here are the figures for his own county - did he choose to 'highlight' this on his crusade? Nope, he went for an easy target because he knew there were votes out there for it.
    If he wanted a ridiculous example, why not the woman who turned down a house 'because the sea view made her seasick'?
    https://donegalnews.com/2017/11/almost-40-social-housing-offers-rejected/

    More figures here.

    https://www.joe.ie/news/social-housing-turned-down-589003

    Can you answer the question: Did Casey's intervention make resolution of this single incidence in Tipp easier or harder?

    If the answer is 'easier' - can you point to evidence of that, ...like the situation actually being resolved?
    Seems like someone is scared of Casey


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    #227
    FrancieBrady
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    Edgware wrote: »
    Seems like someone is scared of Casey

    :D:D:D


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    #228
    Plumbthedepths
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    FrancieBrady wrote:
    My chosen candidate beat Casey by more than double his vote.


    Casey placed 2nd out of nowhere. I don't think anyone thought Mickey D was in danger.


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    #229
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    As pointed out before - the turning down of social housing extends right across society, not just to a series of houses in Tipp. Here are the figures for his own county - did he choose to 'highlight' this on his crusade? Nope, he went for an easy target because he knew there were votes out there for it.
    If he wanted a ridiculous example, why not the woman who turned down a house 'because the sea view made her seasick'?
    https://donegalnews.com/2017/11/almost-40-social-housing-offers-rejected/

    More figures here.

    https://www.joe.ie/news/social-housing-turned-down-589003

    Can you answer the question: Did Casey's intervention make resolution of this single incidence in Tipp easier or harder?

    If the answer is 'easier' - can you point to evidence of that, ...like the situation actually being resolved?

    The Tipperary houses were in the news at the time and that’s why he brought it up. Then, the media pounced on him calling him all names.

    He made the issue neither easier or harder. If he had never raised the issue and had stuck to being last for the presidential race, those travellers would still be where they are now, holding out for more and feeling hard done by. They have no shame at all and I’m disgusted by them.


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    #230
    Danzy
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    Casey also did well because he was the only opposition to a coronation candidate.

    Most were also rans from the get go. Gallagher was last times man and no one cared. Joan and Gavin had nothing to say and Liadh was catch phrase machine, came on lots but was the wrong pick from the get go.


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    #231
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    I’d love to hear from some Tipperary posters and what the candidates in the local elections are saying to them.


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    #232
    kowloon
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    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Sorry to upset you all. I think Peter Casey is exactly what Ireland needs after the last 4 years of pcbrigade protected snowflake agenda. People having to think before they open their mouths incase they offend someone. Every word they say been scrutinised. Its actually worse now than UK. He would be amazing as taoiseach . Over and out.

    That's embarrassing to read.


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    #233
    Deebles McBeebles
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Banning certain plastics is a good idea but I doubt it will gel with the people who support his other policies

    Now why would you think that? Travellers and plastics are both bad for the environment.


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    #234
    FrancieBrady
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    The Tipperary houses were in the news at the time and that’s why he brought it up. Then, the media pounced on him calling him all names.

    He made the issue neither easier or harder. If he had never raised the issue and had stuck to being last for the presidential race, those travellers would still be where they are now, holding out for more and feeling hard done by. They have no shame at all and I’m disgusted by them.

    Typical. Use the media to exploit a single issue for easy kneejerk votes, then whinge about same media when it doesn't play ball.


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    #235
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    Francie, you’re doing my head in!


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    #236
    recedite
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    he got the floor and talked about how 4 of his children ate meat and the 5th didn't - so there was nothing to be worried about, he was more concerned about single use plastics and a whale who had turned up with x amount of plastic in his stomach. And when he was interrupted by somebody who said that it 'was all linked' he said, smiling, 'tell that to the whale'.

    You think this is a sign of 'intelligence'?
    It was a good riposte. A quick wit is a sign of intelligence.


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    #237
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,496 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    recedite wrote: »
    It was a good riposte. A quick wit is a sign of intelligence.

    Wit? We must have different definitions of that. It was certainly sarcastic and we know what is said about that.

    What about the stuff about his children, was that a 'witty' addition to the discussion and his attention seeking laughing, was he internally enjoying his own wit? :D:D
    I see Virgin have the show up on site, I will have another look and see can I figure out in the cold light of day what the F*** he was on about. I may be gone some time! :D


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    #238
    suicide_circus
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    1641 wrote: »
    Yes - a populist:


    "An ideology like fascism involves a holistic view of how politics, the economy, and society as a whole should be ordered. Populism doesn’t; it calls for kicking out the political establishment, but it doesn’t specify what should replace it. So it’s usually paired with “thicker” left- or right-wing ideologies like socialism or nationalism.
    Populists are dividers, not uniters, Mudde told me. They split society into “two homogenous and antagonistic groups: the pure people on the one end and the corrupt elite on the other,” and say they’re guided by the “will of the people.” The United States is what political scientists call a “liberal democracy,” a system “based on pluralism—on the idea that you have different groups with different interests and values, which are all legitimate,” Mudde explained. Populists, in contrast, are not pluralist. They consider just one group—whatever they mean by “the people”—legitimate."


    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/what-is-populist-trump/516525/
    Godwin


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    #239
    Cienciano
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    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    The far left, anti worker types seem to really really hate Casey don't they? How dare anyone question the cosy media consensus on the unaffordable welfare state and take working people into consideration! A sniff of a thread on the man and it's like a dogwhistle (they love that word!) has been blown - and they arrive en masse (well, all 3 or 4 of them) snarling and shouting down anyone who has a different opinion to them. We've seen it just in the last page here - equating Casey voters with "anti gay, anti trans" views etc etc etc (I've even seen his election comments - which were, let's not forget, rather mild and certainly not extreme - described as "hate speech"). The point has been made before, but this is exactly how Trump got elected (which is where Casey's comparison with the bould Donald ends IMHO).

    But picking a guy on the basis that he hates travellers to represent our interests in Europe is fúcking stupid


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    #240
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-whatsapp-4286441-Oct2018/
    lol


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    #241
    suicide_circus
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    But picking a guy on the basis that he hates travellers to represent our interests in Europe is fúcking stupid
    what basis should the candidate be chosen on? they dont do anything.

    like the presidency its a nominal office, perfect for a protest vote


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