Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

14-06-2019 4:48pm

kunst nugget wrote:

Ah, here... what are you on about.

I mean, it might seem like a trivial thing but it's ridiculous that wearing a trump hat seems to be enough of a justification for someone to abuse you and/or steal it.

If someone four years ago was wearing a "yes we can" hat and someone who opposed Obama stole it and shouted abuse at the wearer it wouldn't be acceptable.

I argue that it still isn't.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 4:49pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Fair enough, it is beyond rude. If meant as an insult it is offensive, disgusting, derogatory and unacceptable.

To say that a punch in the face in return is unacceptable does not downplay homophobia. Its simply stating a fact.

well no you've already downplayed it by describing it as merely rude.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 4:49pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

The problem is there's no distinction made based on moral, philosophical or political outlook, it's just lumping straight, white males into one group. You know... sort of like lumping any ethnic or gender group and assigning the worst qualities to them. You get where I'm coming from?

Just as lumping ‘all the gays’ into this assless leather trousers wearing flaunting sexual innuendo all over the place, at pride, is a complete nonsense

Ordinary straight white people go in their hundreds of thousands, all over Europe, daily, to football matches and wear their teams colours with pride (and often beat each other up) and it’s not a problem. And nobody complains about that or tries to diminish their pride or enjoyment.

One day a year for a gay pride march is a problem though? Really?

I hate to diminish something as important as pride to basic kick ball analogy.

But it fits.

seamus · 14-06-2019 4:50pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

The problem is there's no distinction made based on moral, philosophical or political outlook, it's just lumping straight, white males into one group. You know... sort of like lumping any ethnic or gender group and assigning the worst qualities to them. You get where I'm coming from?

Absolutely.

But there's a subtle difference in observing that a community or a culture would share commonalities, and treating an individual differently based on those commonalities.

For example, it's not racist for one to observe that there's a problem with bravado, violence and sexism amongst black communities in certain parts of the US.

It is however racist for one to treat a black man from one of these communities under the assumption that he is a violent, sexist, showboater.

The simplest and most obvious one is travellers. There's a massive problem with criminality in the travelling community. That's not racist or hateful. It's a measurable fact.

But it is very much racist to assume an individual traveller is a criminal. Or to call all travellers criminals.

Fighting discrimination doesn't mean that we pretend stereotypes don't exist. That would be stupid. It would be ignoring basic sociology.

It means that we don't assume that anyone is a stereotype of their nationality, race, gender or sexuality.

In this case, the "white man" in the story fulfilled the "white man" stereotype, as a niche magazine aimed at African-Americans might observe it.

14-06-2019 4:51pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

One day a year for a gay pride march is a problem though? Really?

I really don't see many people moaning about it though. I have no problem with it. I just wouldn't attend. And that's fine.

I don't think anyone wants to take the one day away from anyone.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 4:52pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I mean, it might seem like a trivial thing but it's ridiculous that wearing a trump hat seems to be enough of a justification for someone to abuse you and/or steal it.

If someone four years ago was wearing a "yes we can" hat and someone who opposed Obama stole it and shouted abuse at the wearer it wouldn't be acceptable.

I argue that it still isn't.

You should look up the cause and instigating events of the black lives matter movement.
It’s a long history of exactly what you described and other immeasurably worse and countless events.

DrPhilG · 14-06-2019 4:54pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well no you've already downplayed it by describing it as merely rude.

And I corrected my stance when you pointed that out.

I can't be arsed with this discussion anymore. You have the most pronounced victim complex I've ever seen. Not everyone is out to get you.

bodice ripper · 14-06-2019 4:57pm

Just wanted to point out that chaps are always assless; it's one of their defining features...

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 4:59pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

And I corrected my stance when you pointed that out.

I can't be arsed with this discussion anymore. You have the most pronounced victim complex I've ever seen. Not everyone is out to get you.

the fact that somebody had to point that out to you is issue. Its been the same all the way through this thread. I dont have a victim complex. I just wont let you and others downplay homophobia. and i'm definitely not a victim because i fight back.

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 4:59pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Just as lumping ‘all the gays’ into this assless leather trousers wearing flaunting sexual innuendo all over the place, at pride, is a complete nonsense

Ordinary straight white people go in their hundreds of thousands, all over Europe, daily, to football matches and wear their teams colours with pride (and often beat each other up) and it’s not a problem. And nobody complains about that or tries to diminish their pride or enjoyment.

One day a year for a gay pride march is a problem though? Really?

I hate to diminish something as important as pride to basic kick ball analogy.

But it fits.

You know, you could look at my posting history and see that I've always supported gay rights and have never stereotyped anyone in the LGTB community.

Johnnycanyon · 14-06-2019 5:02pm

No , but why don't all us Hetros organise something similar for ourselves?

SusieBlue · 14-06-2019 5:03pm

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

No , but why don't all us Hetros organise something similar for ourselves?

Every day is straight pride day. We don't need one.

Johnnycanyon · 14-06-2019 5:07pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Every day is straight pride day. We don't need one.

Ah maybe so, hope they all enjoy themselves and have good old time.

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 5:11pm

seamus wrote: »

Absolutely.

But there's a subtle difference in observing that a community or a culture would share commonalities, and treating an individual differently based on those commonalities.

For example, it's not racist for one to observe that there's a problem with bravado, violence and sexism amongst black communities in certain parts of the US.

It is however racist for one to treat a black man from one of these communities under the assumption that he is a violent, sexist, showboater.

The simplest and most obvious one is travellers. There's a massive problem with criminality in the travelling community. That's not racist or hateful. It's a measurable fact.

But it is very much racist to assume an individual traveller is a criminal. Or to call all travellers criminals.

Fighting discrimination doesn't mean that we pretend stereotypes don't exist. That would be stupid. It would be ignoring basic sociology.

It means that we don't assume that anyone is a stereotype of their nationality, race, gender or sexuality.

In this case, the "white man" in the story fulfilled the "white man" stereotype, as a niche magazine aimed at African-Americans might observe it.

So, if I wrote a story where I said 'Black man went peak black man', everybody would be cool with it?

14-06-2019 5:22pm

one of the actual homophobic veins running through this thread is the accusations of closetedness against anyone arguing with a gay person

you must see what a regressive and ugly caricature this is.

shame on anyone stooping to it.

hcf500 · 14-06-2019 5:23pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

So, if I wrote a story where I said 'Black man went peak black man', everybody would be cool with it?

You cant compare the two. Black people were discriminated against! Its easy to look down on black people when you are overflowing with white male privilege!

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 5:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

one of the actual homophobic veins running through this thread is the accusations of closetedness against anyone arguing with a gay person

you must see what a regressive and ugly caricature this is.

shame on anyone stooping to it.

it was said once so not exactly a vein.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 5:23pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

So, if I wrote a story where I said 'Black man went peak black man', everybody would be cool with it?

You’re focusing on one article. Badly written. In a news source I’ve personally never heard of. The larger agenda of ridiculous pieces like these is to sow divide and go as viral as possible.

Worse, far worse happens on any given afternoon or evening on o Connell st.
Goes unreported. Well this week aside.

All black people aren’t to blame becuse one hack used a rather crap generalisation about ‘a white male’

The article is laughable. The event was unnecessary. It’s ultimately pointless.
Let’s all move on.

DrPhilG · 14-06-2019 5:27pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont have a victim complex. I just wont let you and others downplay homophobia. and i'm definitely not a victim because i fight back.

You downplay real homophobia every time you overreact to every little word or comment.

I'd say if I described a damaged car part or item as "bent" you'd throw a fit over it.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 5:28pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

one of the actual homophobic veins running through this thread is the accusations of closetedness against anyone arguing with a gay person

you must see what a regressive and ugly caricature this is.

shame on anyone stooping to it.

Well I didn’t want to outright call anyone homophobes who aren’t even possessed of the courage to be honest about it and rather just skate around the fringes of it, but tip toe over it.

But shame on me for stooping to that?

Nah. Shame on them for the ‘shoving it our faces’ nonsense and countless other insecure easily rattled nonsense that makes up a lot of the contributions made here.

ohnonotgmail · 14-06-2019 5:29pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

You downplay real homophobia every time you overreact to every little word or comment.

describing being called a queer as "a little word or comment" IS downplaying homophobia. you just can't help yourself.

DrPhilG wrote: »

I'd say if I described a damaged car part or item as "bent" you'd throw a fit over it.

why would i?

kunst nugget · 14-06-2019 5:34pm

hcf500 wrote: »

You cant compare the two. Black people were discriminated against! Its easy to look down on black people when you are overflowing with white male privilege!

Aye, I'm so full of white male privilege, it's seeping out my ears.

DrPhilG · 14-06-2019 5:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why would i?

Why are you playing dumb? You know full well why I'm saying that.

Bent is a legitimate description of an item that is bent. It is also a commonly used derogatory term for gay. If I used it in its proper context, you are the kind of person I would expect to accuse me of homophobia for using the term "bent".

And to answer your next question, "what kind of person is that?" I've already answered. A melodramatic attention seeking person with a victim complex who sees persecution at every corner.

You're a disgrace to the real victims of actual homophobic persecution through the years.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 5:38pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Aye, I'm so full of white male privilege, it's seeping out my ears.

You should go to London now, or post brexit. Let us know how you get on.

14-06-2019 5:43pm

hcf500 wrote:

You cant compare the two. Black people were discriminated against! Its easy to look down on black people when you are overflowing with white male privilege!

I've been discriminated against. Lots of times. I have no privilege. You don't know anything about me except for my race, my gender and my sexuality, yet you consider me privileged.

There is more to me than that. Shame on you for your generalisations.

hcf500 · 14-06-2019 5:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been discriminated against. Lots of times. I have no privilege. You don't know anything about me except for my race, my gender and my sexuality, yet you consider me privileged.

There is more to me than that. Shame on you for your generalisations.

Im white so there is shame on me. I can accept that. I think most white liberal americans can accept that they are very privileged too. That is why there is overwhelming support for reparations to the black community. White wealth should be broken down and distributed to cover these reparations. The only politicians with the stomach to plow ahead with these plans will be Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Ilhan Omar. trump is scared of them and so he should be. A socialist world government is the only way the planet will be saved. These women will begin something great!

_Kaiser_ · 14-06-2019 6:01pm

seamus wrote: »

Except that's not happening.

People uncomfortable with gay "content" think it be like that, but it don't.

A TV programme can be wall-to-wall heterosexual couples groping and kissing and doing whatever else. Then the next scene two lads have a quick romantic kiss and certain people leap up going, "OMG, I don't mind gays but why do they have to shove this in our faces all the time?!"

What makes this even funnier is that all of this perceived gay oppression, is people literally shoving it in their own faces. Get your nose out of twitter, boards and facebook for five minutes, and you'll notice that the real world is not talking about pride every five minutes.

If you feel like you're being overwhelmed with gay content, it's because you're subscribing to it.

Disagree... take the latest season of Designated Survivor for example (SPOILERS etc).

I'm halfway through the season and the LGBT messaging is extremely in your face.

- We have the now apparently obligatory gay couple which is fine (not so sure about the subplot where one of them has HIV and gets stroppy because the other thinks he should have been told before they had sex, but then a few eps later apologises for his annoyance?)

- The president's sister in law is trans and we have a whole segment with a trans support group discussing the issues they face, and a sequence where an older white woman calls her out for being in the wrong bathroom

Now to be fair, I wanted to tell that oul biddy to STFU :mad: but to claim that these topics are not being put front and centre in mainstream entertainment is nonsense. Where it's a tad jarring is that these are wedged in to make a statement rather than anything else, and especially in an existing series that never had such messaging previously, and arguably nothing to do with it - it's a political/conspiracy thriller after all.

14-06-2019 6:03pm

hcf500 wrote:

Im white so there is shame on me. I can accept that. I think most white liberal americans can accept that they are very privileged too. That is why there is overwhelming support for reparations to the black community. White wealth should be broken down and distributed to cover these reparations. The only politicians with the stomach to plow ahead with these plans will be Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Ilhan Omar. trump is scared of them and so he should be. A socialist world government is the only way the planet will be saved. These women will begin something great!

Oh good god. That type of thinking is ridiculous. I'm glad that it's not taken seriously.

It must be so hard to hate yourself because of your skin colour. I judge people on their personalities and their actions, not because of the sins of their (great great grand) fathers.

There is no overwhelming support for reparations. Why just the blacks? Irish were slaves too.

Do you think England should give us money for the famine? Should the Scandinavian governments pay out for every country the Vikings invaded?

Perhaps lay off American media.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 6:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh good god. That type of thinking is ridiculous. I'm glad that it's not taken seriously.

It must be so hard to hate yourself because of your skin colour. I judge people on their personalities and their actions, not because of the sins of their (great great grand) fathers.

There is no overwhelming support for reparations. Why just the blacks? Irish were slaves too.

Do you think England should give us money for the famine? Should the Scandinavian governments pay out for every country the Vikings invaded?

Perhaps lay off American media.

At no point were the Irish slaves in America. Or pretty much anywhere.
They did own many many slaves over there but weren’t slaves themselves.
You’ve just hard earned the ignore button.

Lackadaisical · 14-06-2019 6:13pm

Cork's pride festivals are actually in July rather than June, so I will probably be taking part in some events next month.

14-06-2019 6:14pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

At no point were the Irish slaves in America. Or pretty much anywhere. They did own many many slaves over there but werenâ€™t spaces themselves. Youâ€™ve just hard earned the ignore button.

Really? I genuinely thought they were. Perhaps not in america but in other parts. If I am wrong, I will gladly retract that part.

The rest of my post stands though

recedite · 14-06-2019 6:20pm

hcf500 wrote: »

Im white so there is shame on me. I can accept that. I think most white liberal americans can accept that they are very privileged too. That is why there is overwhelming support for reparations to the black community. White wealth should be broken down and distributed to cover these reparations. The only politicians with the stomach to plow ahead with these plans will be Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Ilhan Omar. trump is scared of them and so he should be. A socialist world government is the only way the planet will be saved. These women will begin something great!

What about all the pink wealth?

14-06-2019 6:20pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

At no point were the Irish slaves in America. Or pretty much anywhere. They did own many many slaves over there but werenâ€™t slaves themselves. Youâ€™ve just hard earned the ignore button.

From a quick Google, it appears that the common consensus is that it is indeed a myth. I won't edit my post because it was a mistake that I was rightly pulled up on

Every day is a school day. I had no idea what I was told from an early age was incorrect. Never questioned it. Didn't really matter to me.

Anyway, it still doesn't affect my point. But just wanted to acknowledge my mistake.

Stop moaning ffs · 14-06-2019 6:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

From a quick Google, it appears that the common consensus is that it is indeed a myth. I won't edit my post because it was a mistake that I was rightly pulled up on

Every day is a school day. I had no idea what I was told from an early age was incorrect. Never questioned it. Didn't really matter to me.

Anyway, it still doesn't affect my point. But just wanted to acknowledge my mistake.

This’ll boil your biscuits.
The first inhabitants of North America and South America came from Africa up through Russia and spread over continents and over the Bering straits down into the Americas. Eek!

14-06-2019 6:29pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote:

Thisâ€™ll boil your biscuits. The first inhabitants of North America and South America came from Africa up through Russia and spread over continents and over the Bering straits down into the Americas. Eek!

No idea what that's meant to mean or why it's relevant. But thanks.

recedite · 14-06-2019 6:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

From a quick Google, it appears that the common consensus is that it is indeed a myth. I won't edit my post because it was a mistake that I was rightly pulled up on

Every day is a school day. I had no idea what I was told from an early age was incorrect. Never questioned it. Didn't really matter to me.

Anyway, it still doesn't affect my point. But just wanted to acknowledge my mistake.

It is an anti-British myth, along with the one about the Brits causing the famine by deliberately exporting all the food.
But there is some truth in both myths. Normal imports and exports went on during the famine, including foodstuffs, according to market prices at the time. When people couldn't afford to buy the food, they died.

Early Irish settlers to the Carribbean went as "indentured servants" which means their fare was paid but they had to work off a debt over several years. So they were kept almost as slaves during that time. By modern standards it would be called slavery, but it was not the true slavery as was suffered by the Africans. Some wanted to go to the colonies, others were just evicted and had no choice.

14-06-2019 6:44pm

hcf500 wrote: »

Im white so there is shame on me. I can accept that. I think most white liberal americans can accept that they are very privileged too. That is why there is overwhelming support for reparations to the black community. White wealth should be broken down and distributed to cover these reparations. The only politicians with the stomach to plow ahead with these plans will be Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Ilhan Omar. trump is scared of them and so he should be. A socialist world government is the only way the planet will be saved. These women will begin something great!

im not sure if www.boards.com is a message board but it certainly seems to be the one you're seeking

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-06-2019 6:44pm

Stark wrote: »

I usually do the 5km run in the Phoenix Park, good fun.

Tell me more please?.

I wasn't planning anything, couldn't give a toss about Pride (sorry gay friends) but I'm always up for a run.

Mr.Frame · 14-06-2019 6:45pm

Reid Thundering Pollywog wrote: »

Tell me more please?.

I wasn't planning anything, couldn't give a toss about Pride (sorry gay friends) but I'm always up for a run.

http://dublinpride.ie/dublin-pride-run-2019-registrations-now-open/

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-06-2019 6:52pm

Mr.Frame wrote: »

http://dublinpride.ie/dublin-pride-run-2019-registrations-now-open/

Do you know if there's a finishers medal & t-shirt, I can't seem to find any information on the site (I like race tee's).

Mr.Frame · 14-06-2019 6:54pm

Reid Thundering Pollywog wrote: »

Do you know if there's a finishers medal & t-shirt, I can't seem to find any information on the site (I like race tee's).

If you complete the race, you are given a book on the complete works of "The Gay Agenda, Volume 19"

Enjoy

recedite · 14-06-2019 6:54pm

Reid Thundering Pollywog wrote: »

Tell me more please?.

I wasn't planning anything, couldn't give a toss about Pride (sorry gay friends) but I'm always up for a run.

If you must warm up by touching your toes, just remember to keep your back to the wall.

Mr.Frame · 14-06-2019 6:56pm

recedite wrote: »

If you must warm up by touching your toes, just remember to keep your back to the wall.

Why ?

You see its this type of typical snide smart comments that gay people put up with daily

Shame on you

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-06-2019 7:01pm

recedite wrote: »

If you must warm up by touching your toes, just remember to keep your back to the wall.

I'm straight as fvck but I don't feel threatened in the company of gay men (or women).. I train in a large gym and have no trouble walking around bollock naked in the showers & changing rooms, which no doubt have gay men.

Does it bother me, not in the least.

I recently posted a photo of myself on facebook and a gay friend replied ''I so would'', it was the nicest compliment I've received in a very long time.

So yea, bending over to tie my laces or God forbid I drop my shower gel I won't have any problems if there are no walls to stand against.

Btw, I 'sack, back and crack' so there's LOADS to see

14-06-2019 7:02pm

Mr.Frame wrote:

You see its this type of typical snide smart comments that gay people put up with daily

Yeah. Must be terrible. Up there with the check your privilege remarks.

14-06-2019 7:03pm

Reid Thundering Pollywog wrote:

Btw, I 'sack, back and crack' so there's LOADS to see

Honestly? On. Scale of 1 to 10, how sore is the sack?

Nobelium · 14-06-2019 7:03pm

Reid Thundering Pollywog wrote: »

I'm straight as fvck but I don't feel threatened in the company of gay men (or women).. I train in a large gym and have no trouble walking around bollock naked in the showers & changing rooms, which no doubt have gay men.

Does it bother me, not in the least.

I recently posted a photo of myself on facebook and a gay friend replied ''I so would'', it was the nicest compliment I've received in a very long time.

So yea, bending over to tie my laces or God forbid I drop my shower gel I won't have any problems if there are no walls to stand against.

Btw, I 'sack, back and crack' so there's LOADS to see

Why don't you come out though ?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-06-2019 7:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly? On. Scale of 1 to 10, how sore is the sack?

I cheat. I use Veet, so there's no pain at all. But I'm a red head (so red pubes) and my hair growth is really light.

You'd really need to ask someone with a ball sack resembling Phil Lynott's head.

Mr.Frame · 14-06-2019 7:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah. Must be terrible. Up there with the check your privilege remarks.

Yes it is terrible.

Youre luckly you dont have to put up with it.

Any right thinking person would think it was wrong and uncalled for to make these kind of comments.

You're obviously not one of them

arybvtcw0eolkf · 14-06-2019 7:06pm

Nobelium wrote: »

Why don't you come out though ?

I've a few can's in the fridge, and I've a run in the morning so I'll have to decline your very kind offer.. Where had you planned?

Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

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