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Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?
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All this turmoil could so easily be solved. Every citizen must be compulsorily gay for the month of June - it's a pity June is not closer to November when we could put our compulsory moustaches to use, but, well, leave that issue with the me. In the compulsorily gay month of June, the ministry will (strictly
) enforce Kinky Mondays, Drag Wednesdays and all citizens, no matter the aesthetic state of their bottoms, are obliged to wear assless chaps on every Friday.
Was that meant to be funny,or are you genuinely an idiot?
Straight myself,and won't be attending any events,but only because I'm lazy and antisocial.
Delighted to see it.Some people have suffered hugely because of their sexuality in the past.
It's fantastic that things have moved on,and that's surely worth celebrating.0 -
Oh dear, it's going to be a long war if you cannot have a laugh. I don't just have gay friends, I have gay family, in fact we were hit heavy with the gay gene on both sides. Which gives us all some evolutionary advantage at impromptu theatre and dancing.
Precisely the point made by Kenny Everett some 30 odd years ago now when he was challenged by Sinead O’ Connor on the Late Late Show, attempting to condemn him for what she imagined was his support for the Tory party on Section 28. She was of course attempting her usual playing the perpetual victim, and Kenny simply said that he turned up at the Conference because it was a jolly occasion
Some people have no sense of humour about themselves, it’s one of the classic signs of belonging to a cult -
Are cults harmful?
To remain within the strict mental and social confines of a cult for even a short time can have the following effects:
- Loss of choice and free will
- Diminished intellectual ability, vocabulary and sense of humour
- Reduced use of irony, abstractions and metaphors
- Reduced capacity to form flexible and intimate relationships
- Poor judgement
- Members may become poorer as the cult siphons off their wealth
- Physical deterioration
- Malnutrition
- Hallucinations, panic, dissociation, guilt, identity diffusion and paranoia
- Neurotic, psychotic or suicidal tendencies
Exploring the CULT in culture0 -
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All this turmoil could so easily be solved. Every citizen must be compulsorily gay for the month of June - it's a pity June is not closer to November when we could put our compulsory moustaches to use, but, well, leave that issue with the me. In the compulsorily gay month of June, the ministry will (strictly) enforce Kinky Mondays, Drag Wednesdays and all citizens, no matter the aesthetic state of their bottoms, are obliged to wear assless chaps on every Friday.
We already had a Freddie mercury. He is irreplaceable.0 -
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Stop moaning ffs wrote: »We already had a Freddie mercury. He is irreplaceable.
True
That was back in the good old days ... When even the straight studs could be camp.
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Deleted User wrote: »Yeah.... I feel like an ally by just treating gay people like normal people and not people who should be celebrated.
As I said in the post you quoted it is not really the people I think I am celebrating most of the time. It is the entire dynamic that people in general can love openly, choose their partners, and marry and parent in ways that many of us privileged take for granted.
For example I celebrate also the memory of Mildred Loving and her husband. And at a pride event I went to once I created a badge to wear with her face on it. For those that do not remember she was up before the courts in our not too distant past for the crime of marrying a man of white skin color when she was black. I found it a meaningful badge to wear at the event and it attracted a lot of positive comments and questions.
We still live in a society where people can openly call homosexuals infected zombies. Where people claim falsely that gay parenting is somehow less ideal than heterosexual parenting. Where gay people have issues with giving blood and other issues with our medical and insurance industries. Where people think Pride is a celebration of sex acts. And more. I agree with you on the progress and current state of Ireland. I also agree with the other users saying there is still much to be done. I can agree with most of what you both are saying, without any conflict or contradiction in fact.Deleted User wrote: »FFS. Nobody knows what it's like to be anyone else, regardless of how many things in common they have.
No one knows EXACTLY what it is like to be someone else. But this is not a 0:1 game we are playing here. It is not like anyone, least of all me, is claiming that we can 100% experience the situation of the other. If that were the requirement here than as I said yesterday.... I can not even share empathy with MYSELF from 10 years ago or 10 years from now. Let alone with anyone else!
But I sure as hell DO know what it is "like" to be someone else. We are a species with a common basis for experience, a common human biology, and a mostly common set of drives and desires, fears and concerns. And that shared human experience very much does give us a basis to know what it is "like" to be someone else.
I suspect when people say this level of empathy is not possible, that are assuming we think we know EXACTLY what it is like to be someone else. But A) No one is claiming that is true and
No one is claiming that that is required.
Take the homeless thing which I still think is a useful analogy here which is why I referred to it. I have never been homeless. So I will never know EXACTLY what that is like. However what elements do you think constitute that experience?
An ongoing fear for your personal safety. A feeling society is working against you rather than to support you. A feeling there is no place you can call home. Lying on the side of the street wondering if the next person to pass will ignore you, attack you, or help you. Feeling entirely helpless. Feeling a lack of autonomy. I could list many many more elements that could constitute the experience of a homeless person, any combination of which any given homeless person will experience.
And I can draw on my experience of each of those elements and put them together to construct an empathy with, and a knowledge of what it is "like", to be that person.
Empathy of someone experiencing XYZ does not require I experience XYZ. It can equally require I experience, or have experienced, X.... Y.... and Z...... and I can construct an approximation of XYZ from there. That is how empathy works.Deleted User wrote: »People get attacked for being fat, wearing glasses, being ginger. People will always find a reason to attack someone if they want to. There are always going to be bad people.
Here I fully agree with you that this exists ALSO. I would not paint it in a "This not that exists" way. I think both are a problem.
Certainly with bullying in schools for example..... a lot of people make the error of thinking bullies bully because of some difference. For example I have heard it claimed that gay parenting is a bad idea because the children of gay parents will be targeted for this reason for bullying.
The reality is however that bullies are cowards who pick the target first, and the material for the bullying second. So as you rightly say if they had gay parents then all the better for the bully. If they did NOT have such parents, the bully will look for something else like glasses, ginger hair, and so forth.
That happens absolutely! You are right. But I do not think it is either or. I think it ALSO happens quite often, maybe even equally often, that people are targeted for who they are first, rather than second.Deleted User wrote: »With regards to parents, I agree there are a lot of things that need to change. No just a gay issue. Single father's are discriminated just as much. Not really gay issues rather than just issues.
Again I agree mostly, to a point. There are all kinds of parenting issues. However I do not think we compare like with like when we look at single parents for example. There genuinely ARE issues with single parenting.
There are genuine reasons they need more help from us as a society (in fact one user on this thread has advocated in the past with doing away with social welfare for single parents and not supporting them at all...... go figure) and genuine reasons their situation is "less ideal" than a couple parenting.
With gay parenting however when people claim that constellation is "less ideal" they have zero evidence, reasoning, data or arguments to offer to support that contention. And so we need to combat that ignorance.
In fact comically enough in their desperation to manufacture data to that effect they normally try to prove the lack of a father, or lack of a mother, is detrimental in a gay parenting situation by..... wait for this and brace yourself as it will blow you away for the sheer dumbass idiocy of it....... quoting studies about the social outcomes of children of SINGLE parents!!!!Deleted User wrote: »Not at all. I've said on numerous occasions that I have no issue with Pride. I just said I wouldn't being my daughter. No big deal. L
Somehow me thinking that makes me a homophobe.
To play devils advocate on that I can see both sides. I think anyone lambasting you for not wanting to take your child there is being an a-hat. There is nothing wrong with you not wanting to bring here there. However some of the reasons you expressed as to WHY you do not want to.... I can understand them having received a certain level of push back. Mainly as they constituted you claiming Pride was a celebration of something it is not at all a celebration of.0 -
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You could start by not moaning about pride
Perhaps! But lets olive branch a bit in both directions here and demonstrate the level of cordiality that we would like in return. It is a useful question to ask and answer peacefully. Even I as someone who works hard and often with the community on issues find I would benefit from hearing answers to that question from people such as yourself.harassment, intimidation, discrimination in employment opportunities etc. all in the present tense.
Women have the same issues quite often too. I often find it difficult to pin down specific and clear actionable items and plans and campaign points in relation to those concerns though myself. What would your suggestions be? Not TOO general or TOO specific.... but basically adumbrate what you think useful first steps would be in that direction.ohnonotgmail wrote: »There seems to be an attitude of "we gave you gay marriage, what more do you bloody want" as if gay marriage solved everything.
Ah I remember with fondness when Christopher Hitchens said "Gay Marriage? I am waiting for Gay Divorce!". Tongue in cheek of course, but I think he was suggesting it would be every bit as fabulous and flamboyant
But yes I agree, we fought hard for gay marriage and it was hard won and very welcome. I do not think we should stand for a narrative that suggests they threw a dog a bone to appease as if they were doing a favour rather than granting a deserved equality.
It is great that society is recognising that level of equality. But that does not mean it should be expected in a "Oh, the things we do for you" tone of voice either.0 -
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