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Are you taking part in any LGBTQ events for pride month?

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  • #632
    thecretinhop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    when will de p join de illustrious ranks?? hmm?


  • #633
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No they haven't. And no they are not. Don't be ridiculous.

    Yes they have, you're not really up to date since Trump came to power are you?

    Rights have been taken away from LGBT people including the right to sack someone from a job for being LGBT, the right to refuse service to a person from the LGBT based on "religious conscience" and the famous military ban to name a few.
    So excuse me if a Trump supporter in that stupid hat gets offended in the scale of things, he hasn't lost any civil rights and supports the loss of civil rights to the LGBT community.


  • #634
    upandcumming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭upandcumming


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Trump and his supporters have taken and are trying to take away the civil rights of LGBT people. You know this and play the victim card.

    How has he done that? What exactly has he done to take away the civil rights of LGBT people?


  • #635
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    hcf500 wrote: »
    The hat is not free speech, it is hate speech. I honestly believe that the name trump should be censored because of all the damage it has caused. People will die as a result of trump! He has set progression back years!

    You couldn't really class that as theft! She was provoked into her actions and should not be held responsible when she is under duress from an agressive trump supporter.


    I don't know what you are talking about re punching people for rude words! Could you point me to a post number?
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    if you called me a queer to my face i would punch you. so no, its not acceptable.

    As for the rest of your post, it is sensationalist nonsense.


  • #636
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    White people are a race - racist
    Men are a sex - sexist

    Calling every American white man a murderous gun nut is pretty crappy. I'm not offended. I just think it shows a lot about your character and doesn't help your argument.

    I don't want to try being gay thanks. It's not victimhood Olympics. I'm sure you would get a gold if it was.

    I just find any kind of racism or sexism to be abhorrent. Even if it is against the horrible whites. It's an ignorant way to behave.


    You don’t even have the courage to homophobic. I’d at least give you that much.
    You abhor the gays and pride and given your post history, anything outside your front door that doesn’t agree with you or your pinpoint myopic view.

    I’ll ask you again. Read slowly.

    If you were walking down the street with your girlfriend or boyfriend and holding hands someone shouted abuse at her/him or worse came up and hit her/him

    What would you do?


    Generally speaking it rarely happens to straight couples.
    If you’re gay you avoid even that small kind of contact with your other half in public so as to avoid it because it’s not just likely, it’s very probably going to happen.
    And if you asked the asshole, he’d probably echo a lot of what’s being said here
    ‘Yis got your marriage equality rights. No need to be shoving it in our faces’.


    I’ve had this happen three different times.


    What would you do?


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  • #637
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    upandcumming wrote: »
    How has he done that? What exactly has he done to take away the civil rights of LGBT people?

    you can start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy_of_Donald_Trump#LGBT_anti-discrimination_laws

    it is all sourced so dont bother with the "its just a wiki page".


  • #638
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    As for the rest of your post, it is sensationalist nonsense.

    Calling me a queer is not rude, it is well beyond that. What we have seen on this is continual efforts to downplay and dismiss homophobia. I could have sworn that the first post says that there was to be no homophobia on this thread but the mods seem to have forgotten that it exists.


  • #639
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    klaaaz wrote:
    Rights have been taken away from LGBT people including the right to sack someone from a job for being LGBT, the right to refuse service to a person from the LGBT based on "religious conscience" and the famous military ban to name a few. So excuse me if a Trump supporter in that stupid hat gets offended in the scale of things, he hasn't lost any civil rights and supports the loss of civil rights to the LGBT community.

    I'm reading up about that now. I'll get back to you on that. From what I see so far, it doesn't seem so cut and dry.

    As for the trump supporter, the right to wear a hat and/or to support their head of state seems to have been lost. I wouldn't trivialise that.


  • #640
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Hmmm, I'm a straight white male... am I lumped in with everyone else here in terms of being the bad guy with fragile ego?
    Yeah, potentially.

    Introspection is important.

    It's pretty obvious that the vast majority of the conservative right, and especially the far-right nazis, are aging straight white males and their spouses.

    Relatively very few, gay, Black, Asian, young people or single women in their ranks.

    That says something, that you and I as aging, straight, white, males should listen to so that we can try and help change whatever cultural defects cause it.


  • #641
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Hmmm, I'm a straight white male... am I lumped in with everyone else here in terms of being the bad guy with fragile ego?

    I wasn’t addressing you. Nor offering any critique or opinion of you or your status.

    You are free to take whatever you want from my post. Or not.


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  • #642
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As for the trump supporter, the right to wear a hat and/or to support their head of state seems to have been lost. I wouldn't trivialise that.

    Ah, here... what are you on about.


  • #643
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stop moaning ffs wrote:
    If you were walking down the street with your girlfriend or boyfriend and holding hands someone shouted abuse at her/him or worse came up and hit her/him

    Stop moaning ffs wrote:
    What would you do?

    I would defend her.
    Stop moaning ffs wrote:
    Generally speaking it rarely happens to straight couples. If you’re gay you avoid even that small kind of contact with your other half in public so as to avoid it because it’s not just likely, it’s very probably going to happen. And if you asked the asshole, he’d probably echo a lot of what’s being said here ‘Yis got your marriage equality rights. No need to be shoving it in our faces’.

    Sorry that that happens to you.
    Stop moaning ffs wrote:
    I’ve had this happen three different times.

    That's terrible. I've been attacked lots of times too. Sometimes for the way I was dressed, sometimes because I was holding hands with a black girl and sometimes because I just looked vulnerable. It's horrible. Some people will use any excuse to attack people. Horrible people.
    Stop moaning ffs wrote:
    What would you do?

    Defend myself to the best of my ability. It's all you can do really. There will always be abusive thugs unfortunately.


  • #644
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    seamus wrote: »
    Yeah, potentially.

    Introspection is important.

    It's pretty obvious that the vast majority of the conservative right, and especially the far-right nazis, are aging straight white males and their spouses.

    Relatively very few, gay, Black, Asian, young people or single women in their ranks.

    That says something, that you and I as aging, straight, white, males should listen to so that we can try and help change whatever cultural defects cause it.

    The problem is there's no distinction made based on moral, philosophical or political outlook, it's just lumping straight, white males into one group. You know... sort of like lumping any ethnic or gender group and assigning the worst qualities to them. You get where I'm coming from?


  • #645
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    klaaaz wrote: »
    You got all that backwards, there is no discrimination against straight people in Pride. Straight people have participated in Pride since it started years ago!

    What article about Trans?

    I was paraphrasing something someone else early on in the thread said about it being good for straight people being a minority at a major parade in Ireland and how they could take the back seat for the day.

    The trans article was in one of the 8th threads.


  • #646
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stop moaning ffs wrote:
    You don’t even have the courage to homophobic. I’d at least give you that much. You abhor the gays and pride and given your post history, anything outside your front door that doesn’t agree with you or your pinpoint myopic view.

    Absolute horse manure.

    I abhor identity politics. I don't have a myopic view. I just don't agree with so called liberals that certain sexualities or certain races should be celebrated. Do what you want guys. I'll treat you the same as I treat anyone else. No special exceptions because of any mistreatment in the past that I was no part of.

    The courage to be homophobic.... Give it a rest


  • #647
    RWCNT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    upandcumming wrote: »
    How has he done that? What exactly has he done to take away the civil rights of LGBT people?

    The proposed ban on trans people serving in the army for one, as well as their proposal from a few months back to to roll back Obama-era civil rights safeguards that banned discrimination against transgender people as medical patients and health insurance customers.

    I havn't really been keeping abreast of things so don't know how they're getting on with enacting these proposals tbh but it shows that the desire is there.


  • #648
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    RWCNT wrote: »
    The proposed ban on trans people serving in the army for one, as well as their proposal from a few months back to to roll back Obama-era civil rights safeguards that banned discrimination against transgender people as medical patients and health insurance customers.

    I havn't really been keeping abreast of things so don't know how they're getting on with enacting these proposals tbh but it shows that the desire is there.

    what else would you expect with Mike Pence as VP.


  • #649
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I would defend her.



    Sorry that that happens to you.



    That's terrible. I've been attacked lots of times too. Sometimes for the way I was dressed, sometimes because I was holding hands with a black girl and sometimes because I just looked vulnerable. It's horrible. Some people will use any excuse to attack people. Horrible people.



    Defend myself to the best of my ability. It's all you can do really. There will always be abusive thugs unfortunately.

    Sorry to hear it. There are arseholes out there. On balance though and this isn’t victim anything, it happens to gay people and couples particularly more than straight people and couples.

    One of the missions of pride is to give people some courage and reassurance that it’s ok to be who they are and not have to walk in fear. Alone or with their significant other.

    This isn’t hard to grasp. Or shouldn’t be. Especially as you have had similar horrible experiences.


  • #650
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Calhoun wrote: »
    I was paraphrasing something someone else early on in the thread said about it being good for straight people being a minority at a major parade in Ireland and how they could take the back seat for the day.

    The trans article was in one of the 8th threads.

    Straight people are always welcome at Pride :)

    Regarding the 8th, that legislation(and/or said articles) was nothing about mtf trans as you had stated but with ftm trans.


  • #651
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Calling me a queer is not rude, it is well beyond that. What we have seen on this is continual efforts to downplay and dismiss homophobia. I could have sworn that the first post says that there was to be no homophobia on this thread but the mods seem to have forgotten that it exists.

    Fair enough, it is beyond rude. If meant as an insult (as opposed to someone being thick and not realising that it is not OK) it is offensive, disgusting, derogatory and unacceptable.

    To say that a punch in the face in return is unacceptable does not downplay homophobia. Its simply stating a fact.


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  • #652
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kunst nugget wrote:
    Ah, here... what are you on about.

    I mean, it might seem like a trivial thing but it's ridiculous that wearing a trump hat seems to be enough of a justification for someone to abuse you and/or steal it.

    If someone four years ago was wearing a "yes we can" hat and someone who opposed Obama stole it and shouted abuse at the wearer it wouldn't be acceptable.

    I argue that it still isn't.


  • #653
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Fair enough, it is beyond rude. If meant as an insult it is offensive, disgusting, derogatory and unacceptable.

    To say that a punch in the face in return is unacceptable does not downplay homophobia. Its simply stating a fact.

    well no you've already downplayed it by describing it as merely rude.


  • #654
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    The problem is there's no distinction made based on moral, philosophical or political outlook, it's just lumping straight, white males into one group. You know... sort of like lumping any ethnic or gender group and assigning the worst qualities to them. You get where I'm coming from?

    Just as lumping ‘all the gays’ into this assless leather trousers wearing flaunting sexual innuendo all over the place, at pride, is a complete nonsense

    Ordinary straight white people go in their hundreds of thousands, all over Europe, daily, to football matches and wear their teams colours with pride (and often beat each other up) and it’s not a problem. And nobody complains about that or tries to diminish their pride or enjoyment.


    One day a year for a gay pride march is a problem though? Really?

    I hate to diminish something as important as pride to basic kick ball analogy.

    But it fits.


  • #655
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    The problem is there's no distinction made based on moral, philosophical or political outlook, it's just lumping straight, white males into one group. You know... sort of like lumping any ethnic or gender group and assigning the worst qualities to them. You get where I'm coming from?
    Absolutely.

    But there's a subtle difference in observing that a community or a culture would share commonalities, and treating an individual differently based on those commonalities.

    For example, it's not racist for one to observe that there's a problem with bravado, violence and sexism amongst black communities in certain parts of the US.

    It is however racist for one to treat a black man from one of these communities under the assumption that he is a violent, sexist, showboater.

    The simplest and most obvious one is travellers. There's a massive problem with criminality in the travelling community. That's not racist or hateful. It's a measurable fact.

    But it is very much racist to assume an individual traveller is a criminal. Or to call all travellers criminals.

    Fighting discrimination doesn't mean that we pretend stereotypes don't exist. That would be stupid. It would be ignoring basic sociology.

    It means that we don't assume that anyone is a stereotype of their nationality, race, gender or sexuality.

    In this case, the "white man" in the story fulfilled the "white man" stereotype, as a niche magazine aimed at African-Americans might observe it.


  • #656
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stop moaning ffs wrote:
    One day a year for a gay pride march is a problem though? Really?

    I really don't see many people moaning about it though. I have no problem with it. I just wouldn't attend. And that's fine.

    I don't think anyone wants to take the one day away from anyone.


  • #657
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I mean, it might seem like a trivial thing but it's ridiculous that wearing a trump hat seems to be enough of a justification for someone to abuse you and/or steal it.

    If someone four years ago was wearing a "yes we can" hat and someone who opposed Obama stole it and shouted abuse at the wearer it wouldn't be acceptable.

    I argue that it still isn't.

    You should look up the cause and instigating events of the black lives matter movement.
    It’s a long history of exactly what you described and other immeasurably worse and countless events.


  • #658
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well no you've already downplayed it by describing it as merely rude.

    And I corrected my stance when you pointed that out.

    I can't be arsed with this discussion anymore. You have the most pronounced victim complex I've ever seen. Not everyone is out to get you.


  • #659
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Just wanted to point out that chaps are always assless; it's one of their defining features...


  • #660
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,042 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    And I corrected my stance when you pointed that out.

    I can't be arsed with this discussion anymore. You have the most pronounced victim complex I've ever seen. Not everyone is out to get you.

    the fact that somebody had to point that out to you is issue. Its been the same all the way through this thread. I dont have a victim complex. I just wont let you and others downplay homophobia. and i'm definitely not a victim because i fight back.


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  • #661
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Stop moaning ffs wrote: »
    Just as lumping ‘all the gays’ into this assless leather trousers wearing flaunting sexual innuendo all over the place, at pride, is a complete nonsense

    Ordinary straight white people go in their hundreds of thousands, all over Europe, daily, to football matches and wear their teams colours with pride (and often beat each other up) and it’s not a problem. And nobody complains about that or tries to diminish their pride or enjoyment.


    One day a year for a gay pride march is a problem though? Really?

    I hate to diminish something as important as pride to basic kick ball analogy.

    But it fits.

    You know, you could look at my posting history and see that I've always supported gay rights and have never stereotyped anyone in the LGTB community.


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