Beep scheme - anyone joining

Lime Tree Farm · 06-10-2020 8:41pm

trg wrote: »

I weighed the cows and calves on Saturday and uploaded to icbf but got a weanling performance report today with the 2 youngest excluded cos they're under 100 days old. Does this make any difference regarding payment? Didn't think it did

you will be paid for all weighed.

trg · 06-10-2020 8:42pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

you will be paid for all weighed.

Thanks be to jaysus

Aravo · 06-10-2020 8:43pm

trg wrote: »

I weighed the cows and calves on Saturday and uploaded to icbf but got a weanling performance report today with the 2 youngest excluded cos they're under 100 days old. Does this make any difference regarding payment? Didn't think it did

When were they born. To be eligible animals to be born in the herd between 1 July 2019 and 30 June 2020.

Lime Tree Farm · 06-10-2020 9:22pm

trg wrote: »

Thanks be to jaysus

Sorry Trg, Arayo is reading it right.

trg · 06-10-2020 11:51pm

Aravo wrote: »

When were they born. To be eligible animals to be born in the herd between 1 July 2019 and 30 June 2020.

Born the last few days June, they're 100 days old tomorrow.

Ah I reckon they'll qualify so. Dunno what that icbf report is about

Sugarbowl · 07-10-2020 9:00am

The same thing happened to me the last 2 years as I weighed them young and didn’t make the ICBF report. Got full payment last December anyway regardless of age at weighing.

trg · 07-10-2020 7:22pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

The same thing happened to me the last 2 years as I weighed them young and didn’t make the ICBF report. Got full payment last December anyway regardless of age at weighing.

Got it confirmed by Dept. today, will be paid alright

Lime Tree Farm · 07-10-2020 9:34pm

Result - some rumen fluke eggs seen, negative for liver fluke. Surprising as the cows were last dosed Dec 2019 with Albendazole. I wouldn't have thought they could have rumen fluke and not have liver fluke as well.

pure breed · 07-10-2020 10:52pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote:

Result - some rumen fluke eggs seen, negative for liver fluke. Surprising as the cows were last dosed Dec 2019 with Albendazole. I wouldn't have thought they could have rumen fluke and not have liver fluke as well.

Got the same result here.
What will you give them for the Rumen Fluke.

Lime Tree Farm · 08-10-2020 8:35am

pure breed wrote: »

Got the same result here.
What will you give them for the Rumen Fluke.

This is the first year not giving the cows a summer dose. I will call into the Vet, ask his advice.

We had a diagnosis for Rumen fluke some years ago and tended afterwards to give any that were extremely loose 105 ml of Zanil and repeat 10 to 14.days later with another 105 ml (the max dose for Zanil). Zanil covers liver and rumen fluke.

Still think some of the herd must have liver fluke, just didn't show up in this bulk sample.

Sami23 · 08-10-2020 12:04pm

Faecal results back today.
Low positive for Rumen Fluke and negative for Liver Fluke.
Vet recommends dosing with Zanil or Rumenil along with Ivomec Super or its generics about 6 weeks after housing

Welding Rod · 08-10-2020 1:29pm

Interestingly to see lads fluke results. I’m not in the scheme, so not doing any faecal sampling.
That said, I actually stopped fluke dosing six years ago this year. Not the wettest of farms, but very far from dry either!
I haven’t noticed any issues whatsoever! They calve, go in calf and rear their calf! They hold condition.
Haven’t noticed any difficulty in putting flesh on the culls I got rid of over those years!
Makes you wonder about the real need for half of this dosing and injecting??

Sami23 · 08-10-2020 1:36pm

Welding Rod wrote: »

Interestingly to see lads fluke results. I’m not in the scheme, so not doing any faecal sampling.
That said, I actually stopped fluke dosing six years ago this year. Not the wettest of farms, but very far from dry either!
I haven’t noticed any issues whatsoever! They calve, go in calf and rear their calf! They hold condition.
Haven’t noticed any difficulty in putting flesh on the culls I got rid of over those years!
Makes you wonder about the real need for half of this dosing and injecting??

Do you dose or vaccinate the cows at all for anything during the year ?

Welding Rod · 08-10-2020 2:07pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Do you dose or vaccinate the cows at all for anything during the year ?

No. Cows haven’t seen a dosing gun or syringe in years, other than intervention for mastitis once or twice or a calving situation.
March / April calves have one shot of ivermectin got this year. That was a month ago! A couple of them were coughing a bit, so I decided to give them a shot.
That’s how I have handled the calves for three years now. They will get a shot again a few weeks after housing, for those I keep. The rest will be sold in a few weeks with no further medicine.

minerleague · 09-10-2020 1:17pm

Welding Rod wrote: »

No. Cows haven’t seen a dosing gun or syringe in years, other than intervention for mastitis once or twice or a calving situation.
March / April calves have one shot of ivermectin got this year. That was a month ago! A couple of them were coughing a bit, so I decided to give them a shot.
That’s how I have handled the calves for three years now. They will get a shot again a few weeks after housing, for those I keep. The rest will be sold in a few weeks with no further medicine.

Same here but oral drench for calves mid summer
Question _ 3 calves born last july( July 2019 ) seem to be eligible but cows gone to factory this spring so cant weigh, will they get payment?

Sugarbowl · 09-10-2020 5:23pm

What happens when I have sold a cow and calf pair during the summer... I weighed them both... but will not have done the meal feeding at weaning.... will I get the 40e for that calf rather than the 80?

Tig98 · 11-10-2020 9:00am

FeelTheBern wrote: »

You will be filling 10 pots with faeces - and then writing down diligently on a list the numbers of the 10 cows you have sampled......

The 10 pots are all then pooled together and tested as one pooled sample - So not traceable back to any individual cow. The phrase “full of sh*t” comes to mind.

Thanks a million, this will save me a good bit of time.

Id swear theyre holding it in out of spite...

patsy_mccabe · 12-10-2020 11:50am

Just ordered a kit from FarmLab Diagnostics in roscommon. Cost is €18 plus €6 for their postage. So total is €24.

https://www.farmlab.ie/product/beep-scheme-kit/

893bet · 12-10-2020 2:01pm

When Do we get paid for this?

Sugarbowl · 12-10-2020 3:05pm

893bet wrote: »

When Do we get paid for this?

Early December was when I got paid last year.

patsy_mccabe · 13-10-2020 1:12pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Just ordered a kit from FarmLab Diagnostics in roscommon. Cost is €18 plus €6 for their postage. So total is €24.

https://www.farmlab.ie/product/beep-scheme-kit/

Quick question - sample bottles came today .... Do I write the Tag No. on the bottle?
Bottles I got, seem to be for human use in a hospital. Label doesn't mention Tag Number.

tanko · 13-10-2020 1:16pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Quick question - sample bottles came today .... Do I write the Tag No. on the bottle?
Bottles I got, seem to be for human use in a hospital. Label doesn't mention Tag Number.

For Oldcastle Labs you don't write tag numbers on the bottles as the samples are pooled together for testing. You write the ten tag numbers on the form provided.
Is there no instructions with the bottles?

Lime Tree Farm · 13-10-2020 1:50pm

tanko wrote: »

For Oldcastle Labs you don't write tag numbers on the bottles as the samples are pooled together for testing. You write the ten tag numbers on the form provided.
Is there no instructions with the bottles?

I scribbled the herd number only on all the containers. To post them off, I laid out a large square of cling, Lined up the pots 4 in the centre and 3 either side, wrapped tightly with the cling. Repeated the cling from the top side. Then into to ziplock or similar. labeled the jiffy bag. €6.20 postage, they didn't ask at the Post office about the contents.

Durrus Boy · 13-10-2020 3:45pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Quick question - sample bottles came today .... Do I write the Tag No. on the bottle?
Bottles I got, seem to be for human use in a hospital. Label doesn't mention Tag Number.

Sent mine off today, I've never labelled the bottles in the past and didn't today, only wrote numbers on the accompanying paperwork. Same lab as you're dealing with...

tanko · 13-10-2020 3:50pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

I scribbled the herd number only on all the containers. To post them off, I laid out a large square of cling, Lined up the pots 4 in the centre and 3 either side, wrapped tightly with the cling. Repeated the cling from the top side. Then into to ziplock or similar. labeled the jiffy bag. €6.20 postage, they didn't ask at the Post office about the contents.

I just left whole lot in a box outside the lab door.
I'd say the post men/women who deliver to these labs are looking forward to November 1st!!!

patsy_mccabe · 17-10-2020 12:59pm

Do the dung samples have to come from the cows in the scheme or does it matter?

solerina · 17-10-2020 2:42pm

Hi all.when is the final date for inputting weights etc

countrydude · 17-10-2020 2:51pm

solerina wrote: »

Hi all.when is the final date for inputting weights etc

November 1st as far as I know

Grueller · 17-10-2020 4:37pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Do the dung samples have to come from the cows in the scheme or does it matter?

Who will ever know?

patsy_mccabe · 17-10-2020 4:39pm

Collected as many dung samples as I could today. Teamed up with a nieghbour and we rounded up the cows in the field. Maddest ones pooped first. The quietest ones wouldn't pass anything. Went at it again this evening and nothing would pass when I was there on my own. Worked well enough.

SuperTortoise · 17-10-2020 4:40pm

What's the wait time for results? Sent mine Tuesday last, farm lab in Clare?
Thanks

patsy_mccabe · 17-10-2020 4:54pm

Grueller wrote: »

Who will ever know?

They won't. I've a few scoury cows and wanted to get them tested. If they pool the 10 samples together then it's pointless, I know.

Anto_Meath · 17-10-2020 9:19pm

solerina wrote: »

Hi all.when is the final date for inputting weights etc

1st November, had scales out today for the job happy with all. When I was collecting it lad in Co-op asked could I drop it back this evening as they are under pressure with everyone looking for them now and they have 8 scales on the go. So rang this evening to say I would have it there for 5 & there was a boy sitting waiting on it.

pure breed · 17-10-2020 10:42pm

SuperTortoise wrote:

What's the wait time for results? Sent mine Tuesday last, farm lab in Clare? Thanks

Sorry do you mind naming the lab in Clare and what price they are?
We sent ours to Elphin in Roscommon got results in couple days.

SuperTortoise · 17-10-2020 10:48pm

pure breed wrote: »

Sorry do you mind naming the lab in Clare and what price they are?
We sent ours to Elphin in Roscommon got results in couple days.

FarmLab diagnostics, there were mentioned on this thread a while back, i ordered the test kit several weeks ago and it was delivered next day i took the samples last week as i almost forgot about them., think it was €21 for the kit + €7 to register the postage.

893bet · 17-10-2020 11:05pm

SuperTortoise wrote: »

FarmLab diagnostics, there were mentioned on this thread a while back, i ordered the test kit several weeks ago and it was delivered next day i took the samples last week as i almost forgot about them., think it was €21 for the kit + €7 to register the postage.

Is that all that had to paid? Or is there a test fee on top?

pure breed · 17-10-2020 11:45pm

Farm labs in Elphin were Ã¢â€šÂ¬20 and Ã¢â€šÂ¬6 if I remember correctly.

Lime Tree Farm · 18-10-2020 9:13am

Irish Equine Centre - €22
Post back the samples to Irish Equine centre. €6.20
Results 2 days later.

Anto_Meath · 19-10-2020 9:27am

When I was inputting the weights yesterday I just noticed the weights of the cows from last year, very little difference in them for the year.

Pie Man · 19-10-2020 10:48am

I put in the weights on ICBF Saturday, How do we prove that we're giving meal?

tanko · 19-10-2020 11:02am

Just keep the receipts/dockets.

893bet · 19-10-2020 11:16am

tanko wrote: »

Just keep the receipts/dockets.

I would also have an excel tracker or similar showing date started meal before weaning and date finished meal posts weaning.

Think 4 weeks prior and 2 weeks post has been mentioned as requirement.

tellmeabit · 19-10-2020 2:39pm

Got fluke results today. Just reads -none present. Submitted the 10 samples, so no individual result.
Should I assume that my dosing for liver fluke is good so?
Cows housed -must see what I should do them for now

SuperTortoise · 19-10-2020 8:16pm

893bet wrote: »

Is that all that had to paid? Or is there a test fee on top?

No, test fee is included in the €21 you pay.

adne · 19-10-2020 9:42pm

Got mine too. Will the labs be working now we in level 5 shutdown

High bike · 19-10-2020 11:23pm

adne wrote: »

Got mine too. Will the labs be working now we in level 5 shutdown

Essential services I'd say yes

dodo mommy · 21-10-2020 5:27am

I got my dung samples back from elphin it siad liver fluke negative ruman fluke low positive. So what's the best course of action is their anything I can use instead of zanil or levafas diamond.

Sami23 · 21-10-2020 7:08am

dodo mommy wrote: »

I got my dung samples back from elphin it siad liver fluke negative ruman fluke low positive. So what's the best course of action is their anything I can use instead of zanil or levafas diamond.

Looks like about 90% of people are getting the same results as yourself.
Wonder how accurate they actually are.

Base price · 21-10-2020 10:29am

dodo mommy wrote: »

I got my dung samples back from elphin it siad liver fluke negative ruman fluke low positive. So what's the best course of action is their anything I can use instead of zanil or levafas diamond.

We used Fasinex before when dung samples came back showing rumen fluke.

Dunedin · 21-10-2020 11:55am

Base price wrote: »

We used Fasinex before when dung samples came back showing rumen fluke.

Don’t think fasinex will do rumen fluke - think it’s liver fluke only but will do all three stages.

Beep scheme - anyone joining

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