Serial

FouxDaFaFa · 10-01-2015 11:35am

8-10 wrote: »

Part 2 still not published due to editors it sounds like:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/intercept-reporters-serial-article-is-762241

Jesus, they're (Silverstein and Vargas-Cooper) really embarrassing themselves on twitter.

Silverstein tweeted Julie Snyder (Serial producer) saying:

So, Julie @serial. Fast question. Adnan: guilty or not? Pretty easy.

The entire point of Serial is that it is not easy, it is almost impossible to know for sure. The nature of truth, etc.

But anyway, the whole thing is getting dragged off topic after the fact. It's becoming a meta-study in truth in journalism now rather than the legal system.

Rosy Posy · 10-01-2015 12:09pm

It's really getting dragged into the gutter now. The whole aftermath and reddit sleuthing has taken on a creepy quality. I just watched Nightcrawler and the vibe I get off Jake Gyllenhall's character puts me in mind of this whole thing. It's like Sarah and TAL tried to put together a transparent journalistically integrous piece and both they and their subjects have been ripped apart for it. I do feel for Jay's family. Urick, IMO is a shyster who's not interested in letting the truth get in the way of a good story.

keane2097 · 10-01-2015 12:21pm

Rosy Posy wrote: »

It's really getting dragged into the gutter now. The whole aftermath and reddit sleuthing has taken on a creepy quality. I just watched Nightcrawler and the vibe I get off Jake Gyllenhall's character puts me in mind of this whole thing. It's like Sarah and TAL tried to put together a transparent journalistically integrous piece and both they and their subjects have been ripped apart for it. I do feel for Jay's family. Urick, IMO is a shyster who's not interested in letting the truth get in the way of a good story.

I think you have a fairly naive view of Koenig et al.

Rosy Posy · 10-01-2015 12:27pm

keane2097 wrote: »

I think you have a fairly naive view of Koenig et al.

They definitely put a spin on it but I think that they did their due diligence and they were very transparent about their personal biases. I'm of the view that true objectivity is impossible so the best way to give the audience a chance to make their own minds up is to be transparent about methodology and acknowledge point of view. I don't think that serial is perfect but I do think that they're doing their level best to preserve journalistic integrity, especially compared to the sloppy fact checking and mudslinging by the interecept, and the wildly libellous speculation and borderline stalking going on on reddit.

Rosy Posy · 11-01-2015 12:36am

https://medium.com/@maustermuhle/the-intercepts-serial-trolling-is-mind-boggling-e01c523e0d29

Interesting analysis of the Intercept's stance.

Boom_Bap · 13-01-2015 3:26pm

I've just blazed through the 12 podcasts in the last 24 hours. In terms of entertainment, it's excellent. I've been following up on some of the other material that has appeared online since and during the podcast was being aired in the past few hours as well.
I'm still chewing it all over, but I'm in the camp of Sarah, there is no evidence provided to suggest innocence or guilt.
My theory that developed through the listening is that Adnan, Jay and Jess were all part of the murder and burying the body. They probably created an alibi, but this got sketchy due to unforseen events, and the search started rapidly not giving them time to iron out the new alibi. Once they got that straight, their stories started to line up but not fully leaving Adnan in the open. I would even go as far as to say that Jay and Jess seen this happening and pointed everything onto Adnan to distance themselves. Once Jay got his pardon, he started speaking more and focused everything on Adnan, and barely mentioned Jess.

But, my other speculation is that there is someone else that somehow manipulated Jay in to helping them hide a body. So everything Jay is saying is true, just replace the name Adnan with X.

The other suspect who they are waiting on DNA evidence to clear is an avenue that needs to be explored, but is pretty much clutching at straws trying to find another suspect.
The items with DNA on it are a bottle and bit of rope in the vacinity of the body, not exactly tied to the murder.

I need to jump into the reddit threads now to see who the new list of suspects are. Also, the producers have other suspects but cant be named because they are still alive.

One thing that sticks to me is how quickly they focused on Adnan, once they got the anonymous tip, the cops dropped everything else and 'had thier man'. This is exactly like something out of 'The Wire' to clear a red name off the board.

nc6000 · 13-01-2015 3:53pm

I see today is the anniversary of the murder of Hae Min Lee. 13th January 1999.

Pedalare Pedalare! · 13-01-2015 6:23pm

nc6000 wrote: »

I see today is the anniversary of the murder of Hae Min Lee. 13th January 1999.

Came in to post the same. Beaten to it!

nc6000 · 14-01-2015 11:07am

Adnan will find out today if his case will be considered for an appeal.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/adnan-syed-to-have-case-considered-for-appeal-1.2065416

FouxDaFaFa · 14-01-2015 4:47pm

Part 2 of The Intercept interview with former state prosecutor, Kevin Urick.

Amazingfun · 15-01-2015 1:35am

nc6000 wrote: »

Adnan will find out today if his case will be considered for an appeal.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/adnan-syed-to-have-case-considered-for-appeal-1.2065416

Uugh...I was under the (wrong) impression we'd actually get an answer today! Seems it could be ages before they reply ***according to the reddit comments anyways

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2seuok/states_response_to_adnans_application_of_leave_to/

FouxDaFaFa · 17-01-2015 5:57pm

Two updates from the world after Serial:

The journalist who worked on the Jay Wilds and Kevin Urick interviews, Natasha Vargas-Cooper, has "resigned" from The Intercept.

Serial will almost definitely be adapted for television or film, an idea which I just instinctively think is terrible.

Amazingfun · 20-01-2015 3:38pm

Something BIG (supposedly) coming from Rabia Choudry in less than an hour. Stay tuned....;)

https://twitter.com/rabiasquared/status/557538814626107393

rabia chaudry ‏@rabiasquared 26m26 minutes ago
@Jorado89 you'll have to wait...one hour

Birneybau · 21-01-2015 10:21pm

“Serial” bombshell: Key witness comes forward with new affidavit, claims prosecutor suppressed her testimony
Asia McClain also says she never recanted her initial alibi testimony, as prosecutor Kevin Urick claimed

http://www.salon.com/2015/01/20/%E2%80%9Cserial%E2%80%9D_bombshell_key_witness_comes_forward_with_new_affidavit_claims_that_prosecutor_suppressed_her_testimony/

Rosy Posy · 22-01-2015 6:03am

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

The journalist who worked on the Jay Wilds and Kevin Urick interviews, Natasha Vargas-Cooper, has "resigned" from The Intercept.

They're none too pleased about it over on Jezebel. I do think her opinionated writing style will fit in better there.

Stench Blossoms · 23-01-2015 3:01pm

Just finished listening to this and can't commit to him being guilty or not.

bren2001 · 23-01-2015 4:01pm

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Just finished listening to this and can't commit to him being guilty or not.

In the end, that was not the point of the podcast. Do you think there was enough evidence to convict him?

Stench Blossoms · 23-01-2015 5:05pm

bren2001 wrote: »

In the end, that was not the point of the podcast. Do you think there was enough evidence to convict him?

No.

kev1.3s · 23-01-2015 6:49pm

No but the more I think about it the more it leaves a sour taste. For me Adnan's guilt is almost certain so let's assume for a minuite that he is guilty, Sarah has obviously made up her mind he is innocent and no matter how objective she tries to be she doesn't hide that fact very well (or even try too?).
Then we have a whole load of innocent people who have tried to put this behind them being brought back into the limelight, let alone the victims family having to listen to a Sarah casting doubts on the conviction of someone they believe killed Hay.
I'm not saying any of these people are innocent or guilty but in my opinion you can't have the media call them out and give a biased account of events.

bren2001 · 24-01-2015 11:34am

kev1.3s wrote: »

No but the more I think about it the more it leaves a sour taste. For me Adnan's guilt is almost certain so let's assume for a minuite that he is guilty, Sarah has obviously made up her mind he is innocent and no matter how objective she tries to be she doesn't hide that fact very well (or even try too?).
Then we have a whole load of innocent people who have tried to put this behind them being brought back into the limelight, let alone the victims family having to listen to a Sarah casting doubts on the conviction of someone they believe killed Hay.
I'm not saying any of these people are innocent or guilty but in my opinion you can't have the media call them out and give a biased account of events.

Well firstly, this is not how the justice system works. You must view the case as innocent until proven guilt. Thus, the burden of proof is on the state and not Adnan to prove his innocence.

I disagree that Sarah portrays Adnan as innocent nor that she believes he is innocent. Her final episode clearly states she is unsure. However, I found her portrayal of the case to as unbiased as reasonably allowed. She never really raises the subject of Adnan not committing the murder, she clearly shows the inconsistencies in the stories given by several witnesses. She shows the clear lack of evidence that actually put Adnan away and is it not beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan murdered Hae at the time, outside Best Buys.

While I believe Adnan killed Hae later on that day and did ask Jay to help bury the body, this is irrelevant. The evidence is not there to support my claim or the states claim. Adnan was unjustly locked away, in my opinion, until further evidence is brought forward.

kev1.3s · 24-01-2015 12:22pm

bren2001 wrote: »

Well firstly, this is not how the justice system works. You must view the case as innocent until proven guilt. Thus, the burden of proof is on the state and not Adnan to prove his innocence.

I disagree that Sarah portrays Adnan as innocent nor that she believes he is innocent. Her final episode clearly states she is unsure. However, I found her portrayal of the case to as unbiased as reasonably allowed. She never really raises the subject of Adnan not committing the murder, she clearly shows the inconsistencies in the stories given by several witnesses. She shows the clear lack of evidence that actually put Adnan away and is it not beyond reasonable doubt that Adnan murdered Hae at the time, outside Best Buys.

While I believe Adnan killed Hae later on that day and did ask Jay to help bury the body, this is irrelevant. The evidence is not there to support my claim or the states claim. Adnan was unjustly locked away, in my opinion, until further evidence is brought forward.

You're first point is mute as Adnan has already been found guilty so I don't think its unreasonable to assume his guilt until it's proven otherwise.
I think Sarah glossed over many things that could have been elaborated on in order to get to her finishing point within 12 episodes.
Fact of the matter is Adnan and Jay were in leakin park the night Hay disappeared where her body was eventually found.
There wasn't enough evidence to convict him and some shady dealing went on with J but this is a man who has shown no remorse and hasn't even given the victims family the decency to let them know for sure what happened, all in my opinion to protect his own image.
He doesn't deserve people's sympathy and effort to prove his innocence and Hay's family don't deserve the backlash either.

volchitsa · 24-01-2015 12:55pm

kev1.3s wrote: »

Fact of the matter is Adnan and Jay were in leakin park the night Hay disappeared where her body was eventually found.

I may have missed this - I thought there was no such evidence once the phone records had been properly examined?

On your last point, I would agree completely that Hae's family deserve to be treated with respect and are in no way responsible for anything that may have gone wrong in Adnan's trial - but again, I've seen no backlash against them. But then I don't spend any time on the various reddit and other sites, so perhaps I've missed that. What attacks have been made on them?

Lucas Hood · 07-02-2015 6:54pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/02/07/md-court-will-allow-adnan-syed-to-appeal-his-conviction-in-serial-case/?tid=sm_tw

Adnan allowed to appeal.

Mantis Toboggan · 07-02-2015 6:56pm

Heard there's a movie in the pipeline. Amazing power of the podcast!!

Mr E · 07-02-2015 9:37pm

I assume that it's a movie of the podcast (the investigation)? A movie of Adnan, Jay and Hae's story might be a bit thin (and there are too many blanks in the story).

Pierce_1991 · 13-02-2015 2:24am

bren2001 wrote: »

In the end, that was not the point of the podcast. Do you think there was enough evidence to convict him?

If the point of the podcast was whether there was enough evidence to convict then she could have made that point in one hour. I think the aim was to try to get to the bottom of it and find a definitive answer to the case.

I also agree with Kev1.3s that while she tries to remain unbiased she clearly likes the guy and seems desperate for him to be innocent.

Pierce_1991 · 13-02-2015 2:27am

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

Two updates from the world after Serial:

The journalist who worked on the Jay Wilds and Kevin Urick interviews, Natasha Vargas-Cooper, has "resigned" from The Intercept.

Serial will almost definitely be adapted for television or film, an idea which I just instinctively think is terrible.

It will probably be terrible but I'd love the idea of someone like David Fincher taking the story, adding a pinch of artistic licence to it and just doing what he likes. I think that would be good but it'll more likely end up as a dodgy mini series with Dev Patel fighting for his freedom :P

Dubh Geannain · 23-02-2015 4:57pm

Any news on when an appeal might take place?

Rosy Posy · 23-02-2015 9:00pm

Dubh Geannain wrote: »

Any news on when an appeal might take place?

March 16th apparently

IrishSkyBoxer · 24-02-2015 11:04pm

I think he did it. No real plausible alternative answer. There is something not complete about Jay ' s story but the building blocks remain the same

Roquentin · 27-03-2015 3:56pm

is this a tv show or is it just audio?

biZrb · 27-03-2015 4:00pm

Just audio

Dubh Geannain · 01-04-2015 4:27pm

Adnan Syed's Attorney Officially Filed a Briefing for a New Trial

Adnan Syed has moved forward with pleading his case for a new trial. In a 31-page briefing filed today in the Maryland Court of Special Appeals, his attorney C. Justin Brown cites the incompetence of Syed's former lawyer M. Christina Gutierrez, who died 12 years ago.

...

http://jezebel.com/adnan-syeds-attorney-officially-filed-a-briefing-for-a-1693166639

recyclops · 14-04-2015 9:03am

for anyone who is interesting rabia chaudry has started up a new podcast with herself and two other lawyers about the case and how it was handled in court

while admittedly biased it was a good listen and i will continue to check it out

http://undisclosed-podcast.com/

Amazingfun · 14-04-2015 11:17am

Yes Rabia is incredibly biased and I wasn't too happy to see she is involved in this. Oh well.....

Mr E · 28-04-2015 12:16pm

Another episode of Undisclosed came out yesterday.

I find it weird how a lot of details from Hae's last day were left out of Serial.

Boom_Bap · 28-04-2015 12:32pm

there is also an addendum between Ep1 and Ep2

D'Agger · 28-04-2015 12:38pm

Is undisclosed worth checking out?

I really enjoyed Serial but was moreso waiting to hear more in the media about a potential retrial, not sure if jumping into another podcast is a great idea, listening to plenty as is

Boom_Bap · 28-04-2015 12:42pm

It's alright, nowhere as gripping as Serial, but ironing out facts and getting things straight.
It's more facts that have been missing from the case, or items that were not clear but now debunked.

Mr E · 28-04-2015 12:52pm

It's like a Hollywood remake - familiar, but not as good as the original.

D'Agger · 28-04-2015 1:43pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It's alright, nowhere as gripping as Serial, but ironing out facts and getting things straight.
It's more facts that have been missing from the case, or items that were not clear but now debunked.

Mr E wrote: »

It's like a Hollywood remake - familiar, but not as good as the original.

So this is the documentary to the original blockbuster - nice, that'd be up my street, will give it a listen and see, cheers!

fisgon · 07-05-2015 9:03pm

Have been meaning to listen to this for a while, just got into it this week belatedly. Listened to all in three days, very addictive listening. A story fantastically well told.

My impressions are similar to a lot of people. Jay's testimony is not entirely credible, but I don´t know if I really trust Adnan either. It feels like they are all lying. Still, there is surely not enough evidence to convict, despite any suspicions there may be.

Jay, for me, is the most fascinating element in the whole story. He obviously had something to do with it, as he knew where Hae's car was. That is one of the few things you can say with certainty. But he really doesn't have a motive, that is the one thing stopping me believing that he is the murderer. What Adnan doesn't do - and what no-one else does either - is explain why Jay would implicate Adnan, if Adnan had no involvement in the killing.

This is the key for me, if Adnan is innocent, then who did it, and why? The argument that it was Jay does not convince.

In the end, though, I'm not sure I really believe anyone in this whole tale.

fisgon · 10-05-2015 10:44am

Serial hits pop culture.

Was watching the new American comedy series, Marry Me, on E4 recently. Two of the characters are looking through a box their friend gave them to throw out, as it contains a shameful secret. They are speculating on what that secret could be.. one says, "what if she killed Hae Min Lee, she did attend Woodlawn highschool in Baltimore" - the other replies, "mmm, she was friends with Jay".

kind of poor taste, but made me smile too.

Mr E · 14-05-2015 10:41am

I just listened to the latest Undisclosed. The police are coming across as really shady.... tap, tap, tap.

theboss80 · 17-05-2015 11:25pm

Here's something that occurred to me, maybe someone has seen an answerto this already?

Did the police ever look at Hae's cell phone records and see if/where any mobile towers were pinged on her last day?

8-10 · 18-05-2015 7:07am

theboss80 wrote: »

Here's something that occurred to me, maybe someone has seen an answerto this already?

Did the police ever look at Hae's cell phone records and see if/where any mobile towers were pinged on her last day?

don't think she had one. Didn't they have some sort of system for calling her house phone where she'd dial the talking clock then have call waiting? Long time since I'd listened to the podcast though

El Guapo! · 18-05-2015 2:21pm

Something I found strange was that they couldn't get any details from Adnan's email provider about whether or not he logged in that day and from what ip.
I would've thought the big email providers would have access to this information.
If he says he was probably in the library checking email at the supposed time the murder took place then that would clear him.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-05-2015 3:12pm

Also crazy that the fact that there never was a payphone outside the best buy didn't discredit Jay's story.

Tazzer · 18-05-2015 3:25pm

theboss80 wrote: »

Here's something that occurred to me, maybe someone has seen an answerto this already?

Did the police ever look at Hae's cell phone records and see if/where any mobile towers were pinged on her last day?

as far as I remember she only had a pager. I've never had one myself, so not sure if there can be records available the same as phones?

poldebruin · 20-05-2015 5:56pm

Tazzer wrote: »

as far as I remember she only had a pager. I've never had one myself, so not sure if there can be records available the same as phones?

Yes, the police would have been able to gather pager data the same as phone data. Very strange that they chose not to. The pager was never recovered if I remember (or at least it is not in evidence now)

It was one of a vast number of very basic checks that the police either did not carry out (or disclose they carried out) that would be impossible to verify now.

Serial

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