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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭sillysmiles


    Do you ever wonder if she wasn't killed by anyone interviewed or mentioned in the case at all, but by a complete random? I know the likelihood is that Hae was killed by someone she knew, Adnan, Jay, the new bf (who's name escapes me now), or a family member, but maybe she was in the wrong place at the wrong time....


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Do you ever wonder if she wasn't killed by anyone interviewed or mentioned in the case at all, but by a complete random? I know the likelihood is that Hae was killed by someone she knew, Adnan, Jay, the new bf (who's name escapes me now), or a family member, but maybe she was in the wrong place at the wrong time....


    Was it not something the innocence project were looking in too? That there was other asian girls found strangled in this area and unsolved? (found in a different park) and that someone was on prison release? Doesn't account for Jay knowing where the car was etc. I'm still torn, don't feel there was enough to convict him, feel Jay was more involved than was looked at. Came late to the party but binged it and really enjoyed the podcast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Interesting findings by the Judge at the Post Conviction Relief Hearing. The fact that the new witness puts Adnan at the library at 2h40pm and this conflicts with the testimony at the trail and the State's version of events mean that the timeline for the State is now in tatters. They tried to claim that it doesn't matter if Adnan was in the library at 2h40pm as they can move the "come get me call" to Jay to a later time. Yet the judge totally blows that out of the water by stating according to the new timeline suggested that Jay would have had to travel 7 minutes from where he testified he was, meet up with Adnan, travel another 7 minutes to the Park and Ride while also being shown the body at this time. All this would have to be achieved in 6 minutes according to the timeline on record that the State went with.

    Now whether you agree with the timeline doesn't matter, this is what the State decided to go with and according to this there is no doubt that Adnan is innocent. This is only according to the evidence from the trial. Seeing as there is no physical evidence tying Adnan to the scene, to the fibers found in the car or on the body or any soil from the burial site and his car it is hard to find any evidence to show he is guilty of anything other than being unlucky.

    On the Undisclosed podcast on their last episode where they discuss the ruling they leave it out there that there are still evidence about the case and the conduct of the prosecutor. I wish they released it, but understandably they are leaving this for a new trial, or even for discussions with the State if they discuss a new trial. We will have to wait for this information until it is brought up in a new hearing or when all charges are dropped.

    Here is a new article about the latest from Rabia Chaudry and a link to the findings by the judge if anyone is interested in reading it.

    Guardian opinion piece, Radia Chaudry

    Transcript of decision


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,849 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Oh wow, I admit i wasn't expecting anything radically new at this stage. And I really wanted him to be innocent.

    So what happens if this turns out to be serious? They can't keep on having retrial after retrial, presumably?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Mr E wrote: »


    Interesting, if the Attorney General is confident that this will prove his guilt they should go ahead with the new trial then. Then it can be tested in court and the 5(?) timelines of Jay can be tested with the new evidence (the timeline isn't accurate any longer). There is no physical evidence linking anyone to the crime, except the testimony of a liar. If that is what people are happy to be enough to send someone to jail for the entire lives then the justice system is working just fine.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Listened to disclosure last night on the bail application. I don't know much about the American justice system but would be very strange if he isn't granted bail. Also with losing the cell tower details and likely Jays evrer changing testimony I'm not sure there is a case. They also mentioned Jay tried to strangle a girlfriend in 2009, had been in trouble multiple times with the police too. Hardly an ideal witness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Gal44


    Is there going to be a new case podcast this year I wonder.. hope so!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Was season 2 any good?

    I gave up on it after a few episodes, it seemed fairly crap.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Was season 2 any good?

    I gave up on it after a few episodes, it seemed fairly crap.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    I gave up too. Not a great story.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Gave up too, the undisclosed podcast did a different case for season 2 and it's good seems a huge injustice,worth a listen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 426 ✭✭Utah


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Was season 2 any good?

    I heard it out but was disappointed I invested my time in it


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,734 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    2nd one wasn't great, I can see why the topic was picked as it had potential, but it didn't play out very well.
    I think that they were making changes to it right up to release as new info was coming out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭Mekekka


    pc7 wrote: »
    Gave up too, the undisclosed podcast did a different case for season 2 and it's good seems a huge injustice,worth a listen.
    Gave up on season 2 of Serial too but did enjoy the Undisclosed season 2 - be interesting to see if anything comes of it, like it did with their look into Adnan's case in season 1. Anyone else listen to the Truth and Justice podcast (formally 'Serially Obsessed')? First season followed Hae Min Lee's case also but has since taken on other cases, similar to Undisclosed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭NinjaKirby


    I'm just getting to the end of Season One now.

    It seems unbelievable to me that Jay is not the number one suspect here and it's just a bit too convenient that the most obvious suspect happens to have a story that accuses another person of committing the crime.

    Even if Jay and Jen's stories are true these two basically helped cover up a murder and if the body had never been found then they'd just get on with their lives without ever telling anyone?

    Adnan, Jay and Jen are at the center of this but I'm not sure how. It just seems awfully convenient that Jay and Jen get to tell a story that puts Adnan in prison and then they get to walk away and get on with their lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    I know im late to the party here but im 100% sure Adnan is guilty .

    I think Jay plays a bigger part than he lets on though. Adnan can't incriminate Jay without also doing it to himself. This is obvious in the way he speaks about Jay - he has nothing bad to say about him even though he is the reason he is spending life in jail.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Ooh - a Maryland court has decided that Adnan Syed has the right to a new trial. :eek:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/adnan-syed-serial-podcast-new-trial_us_5abd1f47e4b03e2a5c7a6dd1


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Mr E wrote: »
    Ooh - a Maryland court has decided that Adnan Syed has the right to a new trial. :eek:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/adnan-syed-serial-podcast-new-trial_us_5abd1f47e4b03e2a5c7a6dd1

    Wow! I thought it was all over.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭JaMarcus


    Trailer for the new season has dropped today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    July 1st was the last update for me? I'll check again later. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,482 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Yep I've got the update for Season 3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Class! Hope it’s a good one. Loved season 1 but gave up half way through season 2. Season one is what got me hooked on podcasts in general so it will always be the original and best for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭steve_r


    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/serial-season-3-podcast-premiere-date-cleveland-ohio-courts-trial-sarah-koenig-a8523826.html

    Inside the cleveland court system. Can't say I'm grabbed really.

    Serial was a great true crime podcast at the time but it had huge issues.
    The second season tried to address these but they almost overcompensated too much to the detriment of the story.

    I'd say this will be well told, amazingly well produced, and painfully self aware and afraid to have any sort of a strong opinion on the cases themselves apart from "the system is bad"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭dball


    was season 1 the original series
    Season 2 the army guy
    season 3 - the redneck dude.

    Is this not season 4?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭steve_r


    dball wrote: »
    was season 1 the original series
    Season 2 the army guy
    season 3 - the redneck dude.

    Is this not season 4?

    Redneck dude was S-Town, not serial


  • Registered Users Posts: 686 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    steve_r wrote: »
    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/serial-season-3-podcast-premiere-date-cleveland-ohio-courts-trial-sarah-koenig-a8523826.html

    Inside the cleveland court system. Can't say I'm grabbed really.

    Serial was a great true crime podcast at the time but it had huge issues.
    The second season tried to address these but they almost overcompensated too much to the detriment of the story.

    I'd say this will be well told, amazingly well produced, and painfully self aware and afraid to have any sort of a strong opinion on the cases themselves apart from "the system is bad"

    What were the huge issues that serial had out of interest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭steve_r


    dog_pig wrote: »
    What were the huge issues that serial had out of interest?

    It's subjective but in essence I thought it was one-sided, that it presented a narrative of "Adnan is innocent-Jay is dodgy". I think Sarah Koenig tried to row back from that in the end but I definitely feel the early episodes are too biased. (I've no problem with bias once its open and declared and people know what they are getting into).

    I felt it teased a big announcement/reveal at the end and then it never delivered.

    It really ignored the victim of the crime and her family and the impact it had on them.

    By contrast, I felt something like "West Cork" was much more impartial and removed - I think they handled Ian Bailey far better than SK handled Adan. They challenged and checked what he was saying on a fair basis and it just seemed far more objective to me.

    West Cork was respectful and thoughtful towards Sophie's family which I felt was the right way to go.

    Serial is a very well made podcast with a story told very well - just one I think has some flaws.


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  • Posts: 18,962 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    steve_r wrote: »
    Redneck dude was S-Town, not serial

    S-Town was way better than serial imo


  • Registered Users Posts: 686 ✭✭✭dog_pig


    steve_r wrote: »
    It's subjective but in essence I thought it was one-sided, that it presented a narrative of "Adnan is innocent-Jay is dodgy". I think Sarah Koenig tried to row back from that in the end but I definitely feel the early episodes are too biased. (I've no problem with bias once its open and declared and people know what they are getting into).

    I felt it teased a big announcement/reveal at the end and then it never delivered.

    It really ignored the victim of the crime and her family and the impact it had on them.

    By contrast, I felt something like "West Cork" was much more impartial and removed - I think they handled Ian Bailey far better than SK handled Adan. They challenged and checked what he was saying on a fair basis and it just seemed far more objective to me.

    West Cork was respectful and thoughtful towards Sophie's family which I felt was the right way to go.

    Serial is a very well made podcast with a story told very well - just one I think has some flaws.

    I don't necessarily think that Serial doesn't deserve any criticism whatsoever, but I wouldn't consider these huge issues. Especially given how influential Serial has been in the podcasts series genre. I think maybe the divergent natures of the respective cases has a bigger part to play than you're giving credit to.

    Outside of West Cork, can you recommend other similar series that deal better with the types of issues you've outlined?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Serial season 3 drops this week. It’s poised to be even better than season 1.

    https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/9/17/17869050/serial-season-3-preview-premiere-date

    Starts with 2 episodes tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    The first 2 episodes just dropped. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭JaMarcus


    Mr E wrote: »
    The first 2 episodes just dropped. :o

    Was just debating with myself whether I should go for a long walk or not. There's that decision made. Nice one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭NinetyForNone


    Seems to be gone episodic, the first two could have been just an episodes of This American life


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭steve_r


    Enjoyed the first two episodes, the concept is very well executed, showing in a practical way how these cases pan out, and what "regular" cases say about how the system does and doesn't function.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,326 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    I thought episode 1 was very good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,482 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    I found the first two episodes interesting... but this season is not drawing me in. I'll give the third episode a listen when it comes out. If it's much the same as the first two, I won't continue with anymore. I have many other podcasts that I will enjoy more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    It’s such a marked departure from the first two series that it’s taking some getting used to. I’m not as gripped as I’d like to be, so it’ll probably be one of those series I listen to when there’s no updates on other ones I’m enjoying. Although I could listen to Sarah cite the phone book, I don’t really think the content of this one was what viewers were hoping for in a third season.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    Well so far it is multiple orders of magnitude better than Season 2 which was very poor in my opinion. I enjoyed the first two episodes and I am sure there will be stories that will feature in more than one episode.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,137 ✭✭✭bren2001


    I didn't particular like listening to Emmanuel but I'm a fan of the first 2 episodes. Its an interesting departure from the one case week by week formula but I've found both very interesting.

    The CCTV from the bar scene in episode 1 can be found here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=FtWnC9Dxnek


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭JaMarcus


    Anyone listened to episode 3 yet? I've listened to 1 and 2 but my fiance hasn't. Doing a road trip later and wondering if I can stick on 3 and if she'll need to have heard the first 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭NinetyForNone


    JaMarcus wrote: »
    Anyone listened to episode 3 yet? I've listened to 1 and 2 but my fiance hasn't. Doing a road trip later and wondering if I can stick on 3 and if she'll need to have heard the first 2.
    I listened to first half and it's about Police brutality, so I'd say you can stick it on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭degsie


    bren2001 wrote: »
    I didn't particular like listening to Emmanuel but I'm a fan of the first 2 episodes. Its an interesting departure from the one case week by week formula but I've found both very interesting.

    The CCTV from the bar scene in episode 1 can be found here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=FtWnC9Dxnek

    Was that video from the 1980's?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    JaMarcus wrote: »
    Anyone listened to episode 3 yet? I've listened to 1 and 2 but my fiance hasn't. Doing a road trip later and wondering if I can stick on 3 and if she'll need to have heard the first 2.
    I listened to first half and it's about Police brutality, so I'd say you can stick it on.

    I haven't listened to ep 3 yet but that was the case with ep 2 also, you could have listened without missing much by not hearing ep 1

    ....isn't this against the whole point of Serial being serialised?

    What's the point of standalone episodes? That's just like anything else then. Disappointing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,558 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Season 2 was terrible because it was serialised. They dragged the arse out of it. I much prefer these standalone stories (with Cleveland as the thread that binds them). Sarah said that some of these cases will overlap, so stick with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,370 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Mr E wrote: »
    Season 2 was terrible because it was serialised. They dragged the arse out of it. I much prefer these standalone stories (with Cleveland as the thread that binds them). Sarah said that some of these cases will overlap, so stick with it.

    I disagree, season 2 had promise but wasn’t an interesting enough story to engage over multiple episodes, the problem wasn’t the serialisation it was the shoehorning of a story into that format that didn’t suit it.

    It’s good she’s back in the legal system but the first season worked because it was obscure enough with just enough information to work as a serial story.

    I’m all for standalones stories in other podcasts and This American Life already does that well...but the whole point of Serial is what she used to say in the intro - “One story told week-by-week”

    That doesn’t sound like this season


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    8-10 wrote: »
    I disagree, season 2 had promise but wasn’t an interesting enough story to engage over multiple episodes, the problem wasn’t the serialisation it was the shoehorning of a story into that format that didn’t suit it.

    It’s good she’s back in the legal system but the first season worked because it was obscure enough with just enough information to work as a serial story.

    I’m all for standalones stories in other podcasts and This American Life already does that well...but the whole point of Serial is what she used to say in the intro - “One story told week-by-week”

    That doesn’t sound like this season

    It's "one courthouse told week-by-week" this season. Something different anyway sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,772 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    Catching up on this now.


    Perfectly well produced, researched and presented etc. but nothing out of the ordinary....basically a drawn out version of "This American Life" imho


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,740 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I've listened to the first three episodes of Season Three. Finding it excellent so far. The knotted logic of the courts and justice system would leave you scratching your head.


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