Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

beauf wrote: »

By GFA (I assume you mean this I don't see any connection what so ever.

The question is " what inclusiveness and parity of esteem" cannot be answered by saying its "inclusiveness and parity of esteem". That's just gibberish.

So basically no one can explain what SEMS means or what it does.

That bit bolded is reading as gibberish to me. Can you rephrase?

shady acres wrote: »

man from "save our community" just been on the radio
somebody has been stealing ifor williams trailers around tipperary
i wonder who could it possibly be

Those trailers were besides skips and being thrown out, the man in the factory said they could have them.

Raheem Euro wrote: »

I don't want to change any legislation. Don't know where you got that from.
Travellers are the same ethnic group as us.

If you live in Ireland, your state has deemed them a separate ethnic minority.

Edward M wrote: »

Absolutely not.
They are Irish citizens, no more ethnically entitled to be called special than any other grouping or citizen.
You could easily apply a way of life to any branch of society.

Are they treated like Irish citizens though? You had one poster suggesting the travellers in Tipperary be burned out of their homes for being too greedy and the poster Richard Hillman agreeing with him. I've never heard that suggested about other people for simply taking advantage of the social welfare system.


There also seems to be people that think being a traveller is somehow having a free and easy ride. When you see how traveller children live in halting sites this is certainly not the case. Substance abuse, domestic violence, crime, neglect. They simply don't have a chance of really becoming much more than their parents. And when they do, like those on the Late Late with third level qualifications did, well you have posters tearing them down for that too.


I don't know what the solution to the traveller issue is but I don't think burning them out of their homes as poster Rischard Hillman believes or in leaving them to starve or locking them all up are viable long term solutions.

What does Ethnic Status confer onto Travellers does anyone know?

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Are they treated like Irish citizens though? You had one poster suggesting the travellers in Tipperary be burned out of their homes for being too greedy and the poster Richard Hillman agreeing with him. I've never heard that suggested about other people for simply taking advantage of the social welfare system.


There also seems to be people that think being a traveller is somehow having a free and easy ride. When you see how traveller children live in halting sites this is certainly not the case. Substance abuse, domestic violence, crime, neglect. They simply don't have a chance of really becoming much more than their parents. And when they do, like those on the Late Late with third level qualifications did, well you have posters tearing them down for that too.


I don't know what the solution to the traveller issue is but I don't think burning them out of their homes as poster Rischard Hillman believes or in leaving them to starve or locking them all up are viable long term solutions.

Who said burn them out of their homes?

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

What does Ethnic Status confer onto Travellers does anyone know?

According to enda nothing

"Create no new individual, constitutional or financial rights.
Because of course, Travellers already enjoy all the human rights and responsibilities that are afforded for all people under our constitution and laws. The acceptance and implementation of those rights and responsibilities has to work both ways in order for society to function effectively, inclusively and with mutual respect for all citizens."

https://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/News/Taoiseach's_Speeches/Statement_by_An_Taoiseach_Enda_Kenny_TD_on_the_recognition_of_Travellers_as_an_ethnic_group_Dail_Eireann_1_March_2017.html

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A start would be applying the laws of the state equally. A traveller child should be required to have the same school attendance as a settled child and not drop out before the legal minutes age. No exception. Easy to enforce by only paying child allowance on production of proof of school attendance. My wife and I had to get our son's school each year to confirm he was attending school for the benefit to be paid. Small step but education is key to breaking a cycle.

You know who suffers when child allowance is cut? The child.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You know who suffers when child allowance is cut? The child.

Now in fairness, who audits what child allowance is used for anywhere? Most people will use it for their children, and since it is universal, those who may not need it immediately will put it in a fund for their children's third level education.

Do Travellers put it away for that? NO .

shady acres wrote: »

shouldn't you be busy on the huddersfield grooming gang thread defending the perpetrators and their facilitators

Keep up the good fight.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The child with f**k all education suffers as does wider society. Too easy a cop out. I would feel exactly the same about a settled person withholding education from a child.

So tell me how the solution of cutting off child allowance sends that child to education? Is it not more likely it will increase crime? I don't see how it fixes the problem.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Now in fairness, who audits what child allowance is used for anywhere? Most people will use it for their children, and since it is universal, those who may not need it immediately will put it in a fund for their children's third level education.

Do Travellers put it away for that? NO .

You're right. It's usually treated as family income. But if you reduce family income the children suffer too.