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Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

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    #392
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Completely wrong again Edward.

    He asked what makes them more equal than the rest of us. Which he thought SEMS conferred on them.
    SEMS doesn't do that. Nobody in this republic is 'more equal' than another.
    He has been roundly demolished on this point but still he and it persists.


    If you wish to dispute SEMS, do so, but it has to be a bit more involved than just because 'I feel it in my water'. Peer reviewed research would be a start.

    I am not qualified to decide and so defer to the experts.

    If you apply special ethnic status to anyone you single them out as special, therefore by using special of them as opposed to me or us is in itself an inequality, even if only by wording.


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    #393
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Completely wrong again Edward.

    He asked what makes them more equal than the rest of us. Which he thought SEMS conferred on them.
    SEMS doesn't do that. Nobody in this republic is 'more equal' than another.
    He has been roundly demolished on this point but still he and it persists.


    If you wish to dispute SEMS, do so, but it has to be a bit more involved than just because 'I feel it in my water'. Peer reviewed research would be a start.

    I am not qualified to decide and so defer to the experts.

    What is SEMS?


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    #394
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    If you apply special ethnic status to anyone you single them out as special, therefore by using special of them as opposed to me or us is in itself an inequality, even if only by wording.

    Not is isn't. Everybody is equal under the constitution of this state.

    Conferring SEMS is not unconstitutional.

    Again, a 'feeling in your water' does not stand any sort of test here. The claim is bull****.


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    #395
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    beauf wrote: »
    What is SEMS?

    Special Ethnic Minority Status


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    #396
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Not is isn't. Everybody is equal under the constitution of this state.

    Conferring SEMS is not unconstitutional.

    Again, a 'feeling in your water' does not stand any sort of test here. The claim is bull****.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/traveller-ethnicity-opinion-poll-2815067-Jun2016/
    Most don't agree with you it seems.
    I don't either, special criminal status would be more apt imo.


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    #397
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/traveller-ethnicity-opinion-poll-2815067-Jun2016/
    Most don't agree with you it seems.
    I don't either, special criminal status would be more apt imo.

    A Journal.ie poll on whether people like it or not has nothing to do with whether or not it is truthful to say SEMS gives more equality.

    Casey was talking nonsense. Are you agreeing with that?


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    #398
    Edward M
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A Journal.ie poll on whether people like it or not has nothing to do with whether or not it is truthful to say SEMS gives more equality.

    Casey was talking nonsense. Are you agreeing with that?

    Absolutely not.
    They are Irish citizens, no more ethnically entitled to be called special than any other grouping or citizen.
    You could easily apply a way of life to any branch of society.


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    #399
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edward M wrote: »
    Absolutely not.
    They are Irish citizens, no more ethnically entitled to be called special than any other grouping or citizen.
    You could easily apply a way of life to any branch of society.

    Are they 'more equal' Edward? That is the question.


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    #400
    beauf
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A ...whether or not it is truthful to say SEMS gives more equality....

    How does it give more equality? What is it equal to?


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    #401
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,172 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I simply believed that the evidence re: the bread incident did not support the idea that somebody became a vicious sectarian thug 20 years after working hard for the peace.

    The evidence supports my theory that somebody used the tactic of 'hate speech' to rouse a previously unheard from rabble of approx 10% of the population.

    Casey's further performances (not his past) further convinces me of that. Because as of yet he has entirely failed to validate what he is saying or present any solution acceptable to democrats.

    Who ever suggested that the ‘bread man ‘ became “a vicious sectarian thug”

    Jaysus Francis, the knee must be ‘swole’ up.?


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    #402
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    beauf wrote: »
    How does it give more equality? What is it equal to?

    That is the point. It doesn't give 'more equality' as Casey suggested. Well, he went further than suggesting it.


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    #403
    beauf
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    That is the point. It doesn't give 'more equality' ....

    Whats the point of it then.


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    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    beauf wrote: »
    Whats the point of it then.

    It was conferred in an effort to aid in inclusivity and in parity of esteem.
    Those working with travellers and travellers working with travellers thought it important.
    And personally I don't really care if you or the Caseyites don't think that is important.

    It is no threat at all to settled people and scaremongering about it is completely irresponsible.


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    #405
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    I wasn't following the issue previously. I know nothing about it. I didn't really follow the election either.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It was conferred in an effort to aid in inclusivity and in parity of esteem. ....

    How does it aid inclusivity and parity of esteem


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    #406
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    beauf wrote: »
    I wasn't following the issue previous. I know nothing about it.



    How does it aid inclusivity and parity of esteem

    You would need to ask those who work with travellers and travellers who work with travellers. Plenty of thoughts on it out on Google.

    I would imagine it would help in the same way that the GFA helped nationalists and those identifying as Irish a sense of inclusiveness and parity of esteem.


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    #407
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    beauf wrote: »
    I wasn't following the issue previously. I know nothing about it. I didn't really follow the election either.



    How does it aid inclusivity and parity of esteem
    Good question because it clearly does not.
    Like the Late Late Show ambush that has also backfired seemingly.


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    #408
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It was conferred in an effort to aid in inclusivity and in parity of esteem.
    Those working with travellers and travellers working with travellers thought it important.
    And personally I don't really care if you or the Caseyites don't think that is important.

    It is no threat at all to settled people and scaremongering about it is completely irresponsible.
    Do you know any surname traveller that can't be found in people who are not travellers?
    Exactly you can't. They are no more ethnically different than the rest of us


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    #409
    omega man
    Registered Users Posts: 4,760 ✭✭✭omega man


    Matt Cooper now saying Casey wanted travellers rounded up in a concentration camp in Phoenix Park. Ffs


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    #410
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    Edgware wrote: »
    Do you know any surname traveller that can't be found in people who are not travellers?
    Exactly you can't. They are no more ethnically different than the rest of us

    that was another highlight from the late late show
    peter says to the ranters in the audience
    "how do you know i'm not a traveler, casey is a traveller name"

    awkward silence


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    #411
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Edgware wrote: »
    Do you know any surname traveller that can't be found in people who are not travellers?
    Exactly you can't. They are no more ethnically different than the rest of us

    You mean like O'Shea Jackson


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    #412
    Plumbthedepths
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    omega man wrote:
    Matt Cooper now saying Casey wanted travellers rounded up in a concentration camp in Phoenix Park. Ffs


    Amazed at Cooper spouting sh*te like that. Usually the guy demonstrates cop on.


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    #413
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Edgware wrote: »
    Do you know any surname traveller that can't be found in people who are not travellers?
    Exactly you can't. They are no more ethnically different than the rest of us

    Take this astonishing information to a TD or Casey and get them to have SEMS revoked then.
    Travellers equality status will not change one iota as a result.

    They are a Special Ethnic Minority in the eyes of the state you live in. There is only one way to change that. By democratically convincing the legislature to change it. Knock yourself's out.


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    #414
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    omega man wrote: »
    Matt Cooper now saying Casey wanted travellers rounded up in a concentration camp in Phoenix Park. Ffs

    Did you expect those people to say anything else?
    They're under orders obviously. Casey must be stopped at all costs. Imagine if the electorate started voting differently. What would those main parties do?


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    #415
    shady acres
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 163 ✭✭shady acres


    venting aside what about casey joining up with renua
    regardless of why they were set up they appear to be founded on principles
    they have the framework there, just need a few volunteers to stand as candidates and MAKE IRELAND SAFE AGAIN


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    #416
    Raheem Euro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 327 ✭✭Raheem Euro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Take this astonishing information to a TD or Casey and get them to have SEMS revoked then.
    Travellers equality status will not change one iota as a result.

    They are a Special Ethnic Minority in the eyes of the state you live in. There is only one way to change that. By democratically convincing the legislature to change it. Knock yourself's out.

    There was genetic research done in recent times that showed conclusively that they are not a separate ethnic group from the 'settled' population. The Dail can pass legislation saying that they are beings from Alpha Centauri. Doesn't make it true however.


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    #417
    Spanish Eyes
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Amazed at Cooper spouting sh*te like that. Usually the guy demonstrates cop on.

    There is unfortunately not ONE media outlet that will speak for the 300k odd that voted for Casey.

    Our media is not representing many of us. That is just awful.

    North Korea might be a better bet now. :P At least they are up front.


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    #418
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Did you expect those people to say anything else?
    They're under orders obviously. Casey must be stopped at all costs. Imagine if the electorate started voting differently. What would those main parties do?

    :) How many is that on the 'conspiracy against Casey' list now.
    Just today i have read,

    Ryan Tubridy,
    the Government
    RTE Management
    Matt Cooper
    TV3
    Indo
    Journal
    Irish Times
    Me
    Sinn Fein
    FG
    FF
    probably more.

    Is it at all possible that maybe it is Casey and the approx 10% of the population that are out of whack here?

    Just a thought.


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    #419
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,651 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You would need to ask those who work with travellers and travellers who work with travellers. Plenty of thoughts on it out on Google.

    I would imagine it would help in the same way that the GFA helped nationalists and those identifying as Irish a sense of inclusiveness and parity of esteem.

    By GFA (I assume you mean this I don't see any connection what so ever.

    The question is " what inclusiveness and parity of esteem" cannot be answered by saying its "inclusiveness and parity of esteem". That's just gibberish.

    So basically no one can explain what SEMS means or what it does.


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    #420
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Amazed at Cooper spouting sh*te like that. Usually the guy demonstrates cop on.

    No he doesn’t.

    He is a left wing champagne socialist.


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    #421
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Raheem Euro wrote: »
    There was genetic research done in recent times that showed conclusively that they are not a separate ethnic group from the 'settled' population. The Dail can pass legislation saying that they are beings from Alpha Centauri. Doesn't make it true however.

    Get that research to Peter then. He can change the legislation when he becomes Taoiseach.
    You won't as far as I know, be able to do it from boards.ie.


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