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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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  • #152
    pakalasa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭pakalasa


    Bodacious wrote: »
    I'm leaning towards agreeing with this statement ... Have seen nothing to write home about from AZL
    I used him (AZL) on one cow last year hoping he'd improve on FHZ and add more muscle. He didn't, disappointed with him. Calf is very growthy though.


  • #153
    limo_100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭limo_100


    pakalasa wrote: »
    I used him (AZL) on one cow last year hoping he'd improve on FHZ and add more muscle. He didn't, disappointed with him. Calf is very growthy though.

    did you find AZL calves started very small before growing. I have one AZL calf and im fairly happy with her( i put up a picture in the photo thread of her a couple of weeks ago). What are you gona put on the cow dis year pak? I used KYR instead of him


  • #154
    pakalasa
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    I used ADX this year on the same cow, from what I remember. Maybe get a replacement. I've stopped using BB's on the plainer cows. They just don't bring the muscle.


  • #155
    limo_100
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    pakalasa wrote: »
    I used ADX this year on the same cow, from what I remember. Maybe get a replacement. I've stopped using BB's on the plainer cows. They just don't bring the muscle.

    i had an ADX calf form a small blue second calver i have to say im very impressed nice stylish calf with very defined muscleing


  • #156
    Bodacious
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    pakalasa wrote: »
    I've stopped using BB's on the plainer cows. They just don't bring the muscle.

    +1

    Great statement... unless muscle on cow side also you are better off with a good heavy yellow or white farmers calf for selling than a middle-of -the- road blue not good enough for the boat, too many people myself included expecting too much from the sire:(


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  • #157
    Bodacious
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    limo_100 wrote: »
    did you find AZL calves started very small before growing. I have one AZL calf and im fairly happy with her( i put up a picture in the photo thread of her a couple of weeks ago). What are you gona put on the cow dis year pak? I used KYR instead of him

    only 2 from him here but have seen loads and nothing serious anyway, heifer calf was a sprat when calved but developed well, will be tall and prob make a tall breeding heifer but no major muscle, bull calf was the opposite.. born big and had great hopes for him but he wont be anything special either again tall and square behind but no serious muscle to him.. will post pics soon


  • #158
    Seaba
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    Bodacious wrote: »
    only 2 from him here but have seen loads and nothing serious anyway, heifer calf was a sprat when calved but developed well, will be tall and prob make a tall breeding heifer but no major muscle, bull calf was the opposite.. born big and had great hopes for him but he wont be anything special either again tall and square behind but no serious muscle to him.. will post pics soon

    We had 2 BB bulls from AZL off 2 Limousin cows this year and they are smashers! Not extreme muscle but serious enough. Our AI man said he is bringing great calves.
    Its mad/frustrating how bulls vary. I'm sure yourself and Pakalasa have as good, if not better cows than us, so its hard to understand the variation. Dad was so happy with the calves he gave AZL to the first 6 cows we bulled this year!
    I posted pics of them 2 months or so ago - will get the Iphone out this weekend again and post a few pics of them now on the Farming Photo thread.


  • #159
    vanderbadger
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    anyone else using sultan as recommend by our resident blue expert legwax?


  • #160
    limo_100
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    Seaba wrote: »
    We had 2 BB bulls from AZL off 2 Limousin cows this year and they are smashers! Not extreme muscle but serious enough. Our AI man said he is bringing great calves.
    Its mad/frustrating how bulls vary. I'm sure yourself and Pakalasa have as good, if not better cows than us, so its hard to understand the variation. Dad was so happy with the calves he gave AZL to the first 6 cows we bulled this year!
    I posted pics of them 2 months or so ago - will get the Iphone out this weekend again and post a few pics of them now on the Farming Photo thread.

    just wondering seaba how your CVV calf went on after? will you use him again?


  • #161
    badshot
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    vanderbadger wrote: »
    anyone else using sultan as recommend by our resident blue expert legwax?

    i used him on heifers last year
    very easy calved
    not show quality calves,but they are all u grade cales


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  • #162
    vanderbadger
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    badshot wrote: »
    i used him on heifers last year
    very easy calved
    not show quality calves,but they are all u grade cales
    what type of cows, lims?


  • #163
    limo_100
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    vanderbadger wrote: »
    what type of cows, lims?

    i think STQ is challenged height wise so you would want fairly tall cows for him


  • #164
    Seaba
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    limo_100 wrote: »
    just wondering seaba how your CVV calf went on after? will you use him again?

    I'll put a pic of him up also! Was happy enough when he was born, although I knew he would be a bit leggy. He is still tall and a bit light but reasonable muscle. Our cows are on bare enough grass at the moment (long story) so if he was on good grass with the additional milk he would be better. Will put the pic up and let you decide! We had twins out him last year, from a heifer, and they are lovely cattle however.
    Our AI man, and the local VET!, both said recently that CVV is hard calved however?! The Vet in particular said he has been called out to big pulls/c- sections from CVV and he said he never 'follows' AI bulls but he knows CVV by now. Thought that was strange enough as he not down as hard calved and we had no trouble with him. Maybe lads giving him to heifers, I don't know.


  • #165
    limo_100
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    Seaba wrote: »
    I'll put a pic of him up also! Was happy enough when he was born, although I knew he would be a bit leggy. He is still tall and a bit light but reasonable muscle. Our cows are on bare enough grass at the moment (long story) so if he was on good grass with the additional milk he would be better. Will put the pic up and let you decide! We had twins out him last year, from a heifer, and they are lovely cattle however.
    Our AI man, and the local VET!, both said recently that CVV is hard calved however?! The Vet in particular said he has been called out to big pulls/c- sections from CVV and he said he never 'follows' AI bulls but he knows CVV by now. Thought that was strange enough as he not down as hard calved and we had no trouble with him. Maybe lads giving him to heifers, I don't know.

    thats strange alrite. we had twins out of him last week poor enough calves tbh small but sure they will come. I used him on a couple of cows this year as well. Were finding this year to be very hard on calfs anyway. Where getting it hard to bring them on its a pain and we have very little ground left until the silage is cut


  • #166
    badshot
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    vanderbadger wrote: »
    what type of cows, lims?

    lims


  • #167
    mikeoh
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    we use CVV as much as possible with great results off low cows his heifers are ideal for calving young with plenty milk . have a 10 month old bull out of a small black lim cow reakon his nearly 500kg will know tuesday he going to ennis.... I wouldnt chance CVV on heifers


  • #168
    mikeoh
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    IMAG0077.jpgIMAG0070.jpg CVV weanling and his mammy


  • #169
    Figerty
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    Thats a flaking bull. Good luck with him on Tuesday. You will have a few lads drooling at the ring!


  • #170
    Bizzum
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    Figerty wrote: »
    Thats a flaking bull. Good luck with him on Tuesday. You will have a few lads drooling at the ring!

    Smashing calf alright.
    A cow that breeds well like that is the cow to be keeping replacements off.


  • #171
    mikeoh
    Registered Users Posts: 451 ✭✭mikeoh


    the cow is getting the road too , we have her 4 years not a bother with her until about 3-4 months ago she gone stone mad roaring like a bull all day everyday pawing the ground breaking into heifers ....lately shes started coming to the fence roaring when she sees you coming so shes off .she scanned empty (t.g) vet reakons she has cystic ovaries and hormone imbalance is driving her mad..............................sounds like a few women I work with ha ha


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  • #172
    tismesoitis
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    vanderbadger wrote: »
    anyone else using sultan as recommend by our resident blue expert legwax?

    we have 6 calves outa him not overly impressed here!We have one super calf alrite but on the whole dissappointed. 3 of the mothers of these calves had sfl calves last year and i'd without question rate sfl above stq. We won't be using him again


  • #173
    just do it
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    Mikeoh
    Great bull. He's bigger than his cow! Good luck on Tuesday, let us know how you get on ;)


  • #174
    mikeoh
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    just do it wrote: »
    Mikeoh
    Great bull. He's bigger than his cow! Good luck on Tuesday, let us know how you get on ;)

    480kg......1265euro........I think the bubble starting to pop!!!!


  • #175
    Bodacious
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    Bodacious wrote: »
    only 2 from him here but have seen loads and nothing serious anyway, heifer calf was a sprat when calved but developed well, will be tall and prob make a tall breeding heifer but no major muscle, bull calf was the opposite.. born big and had great hopes for him but he wont be anything special either again tall and square behind but no serious muscle to him.. will post pics soon

    2 pictures posted on photo thread


  • #176
    pakalasa
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    Limousin bull, AHZ - Achile.
    Has anyone used him and what did you think of him? He's with NCBC.


  • #177
    tanko
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    pakalasa wrote: »
    Limousin bull, AHZ - Achile.
    Has anyone used him and what did you think of him? He's with NCBC.

    As far as i know there are no straws available of AHZ. He only produced usable semen for a short time. Dont know anyone with his calves.


  • #178
    bogman_bass
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    They couldnt get any straws out of him in france but he was brought back to Ireland and the Irish lads must be whispering sweet nothings into his ear because he's producing now!:D


  • #179
    leg wax
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    They couldnt get any straws out of him in france but he was brought back to Ireland and the Irish lads must be whispering sweet nothings into his ear because he's producing now!:D
    thats our irish girls for ya,they would get anything to rise:D


  • #180
    pakalasa
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    They couldnt get any straws out of him in france but he was brought back to Ireland and the Irish lads must be whispering sweet nothings into his ear because he's producing now!:D
    Any feedback from farmers, good or bad?


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  • #181
    limo_100
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    bogman_bass wrote: »
    They couldnt get any straws out of him in france but he was brought back to Ireland and the Irish lads must be whispering sweet nothings into his ear because he's producing now!:D

    did they ever get the hereford bull FHW to produce yet?


  • #182
    limo_100
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    pakalasa wrote: »
    Any feedback from farmers, good or bad?

    i havea calf from his comrade OZS and id recommend him even for heifers as hes easy calving and has good quality calves..


  • #183
    bogman_bass
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    limo_100 wrote: »
    did they ever get the hereford bull FHW to produce yet?


    no. not a straw nor will there ever be


  • #184
    bogman_bass
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    pakalasa wrote: »
    Any feedback from farmers, good or bad?


    very easy calved. heard nothing about quality yet


  • #185
    pakalasa
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    pakalasa wrote: »
    I used him (AZL) on one cow last year hoping he'd improve on FHZ and add more muscle. He didn't, disappointed with him. Calf is very growthy though.
    I thought I'd update on this. This AZL calf turned out to be a great weanling in the end. Very happy with him. I think he was about 360Kgs or so at 7 months. Price 850 euro. Cow was very plain but milky. He had a lot of height for a BB. The kind of BB, an Irish farmer would go for , if he wasn't good enough for the boat.


  • #186
    vanderbadger
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    just wondering about this, my ai man gave a cow elite erasmus (ere) there yesterday, has a massive eurostar value on the catalogue which still has old values..looked him up last night and he now has a ****e rating for both terminal and maternal :confused:


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  • #187
    LivInt20
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    The reason for his new low €urostar figures appears to be his calving difficulty at 22%.

    Calving diff provides a big percentage of the overall figures.


  • #188
    Bizzum
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    vanderbadger wrote: »
    just wondering about this, my ai man gave a cow elite erasmus (ere) there yesterday, has a massive eurostar value on the catalogue which still has old values..looked him up last night and he now has a ****e rating for both terminal and maternal :confused:

    And hard calved too;)


  • #189
    vanderbadger
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    some pics of a few of his calves on dovea site, they look good in fairness


  • #190
    Min
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    I have four ERE weanlings - three bulls and one heifer.

    They are out of belgian blues sucklers and one from a milker.

    The ones out of the blues are super animals, double muscle, huge behinds, one had to be delivered by a c section from a BB cow, the rest calved naturally, one came backwards but was fine.

    Lovely animals, the calving is the thing to be wary of.


  • #191
    vanderbadger
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    Min wrote: »
    I have four ERE weanlings - three bulls and one heifer.

    They are out of belgian blues sucklers and one from a milker.

    The ones out of the blues are super animals, double muscle, huge behinds, one had to be delivered by a c section from a BB cow, the rest calved naturally, one came backwards but was fine.

    Lovely animals, the calving is the thing to be wary of.

    hmm they sound real nice min, any chance of a pic, this cow i did is a big char, next calf will be her 3rd so she should be grand if she keeps


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  • #192
    pakalasa
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    Min wrote: »
    I have four ERE weanlings - three bulls and one heifer..
    You're a brave man to try ERE on BB cows.


  • #193
    Bizzum
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    vanderbadger wrote: »
    hmm they sound real nice min, any chance of a pic, this cow i did is a big char, next calf will be her 3rd so she should be grand if she keeps

    Some of our cows have a big lump of a calf no matter what they're incalf to. Them big CH cows are well able for anything!


  • #194
    vanderbadger
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    Bizzum wrote: »
    Some of our cows have a big lump of a calf no matter what they're incalf to. Them big CH cows are well able for anything!
    well my stock bull has turned out to be exceptionally easy calving, he is ch and most of the cows are ch x, you would be nearly disappointed with some of the calves out of massive cows but the other side is im at work full time and i dont want any hassle so maybe its not a bad thing..i ai'd two heifer there recently to a simm bull from dovea..i dont like simms but ai man convinced me he was the easiest bull he had..fupping bollix, i read here after that he is hard calving, ROE is the bull.. I wouldnt mind but i asked him every type of breed. i should have let my own bull at them. its not great i think when dovea dont seem to have any real easy calving limo, or at least my ai man doesnt seem to have anyway :rolleyes:


  • #195
    tismesoitis
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    have 4 calves by ere 3 bulls and 1 heifer also. no trouble calving at all and calves are serious!!! i'll try get photos up later in the week. have one that is pedigree so his figures are sh1te but he was always a class calf


  • #196
    Buncha Fives
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    vanderbadger wrote: »
    well my stock bull has turned out to be exceptionally easy calving, he is ch and most of the cows are ch x, you would be nearly disappointed with some of the calves out of massive cows but the other side is im at work full time and i dont want any hassle so maybe its not a bad thing..i ai'd two heifer there recently to a simm bull from dovea..i dont like simms but ai man convinced me he was the easiest bull he had..fupping bollix, i read here after that he is hard calving, ROE is the bull.. I wouldnt mind but i asked him every type of breed. i should have let my own bull at them. its not great i think when dovea dont seem to have any real easy calving limo, or at least my ai man doesnt seem to have anyway :rolleyes:

    RHF is an easy calving limo from Dovea I used his this year and never touched any of the heifers while they were calving. My AI man also used ROE on heifers and he reckons he is very easy calving so there must be some truth init!


  • #197
    vanderbadger
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    Buncha Fives wrote: »
    RHF is an easy calving limo from Dovea I used his this year and never touched any of the heifers while they were calving. My AI man also used ROE on heifers and he reckons he is very easy calving so there must be some truth init!
    said he didnt have him! thanks though good to hear ROE is ok, i was going on this old post i read
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77679520


  • #198
    jdevitt
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    Bizzum wrote: »
    I suppose it's fair to say that a lot of show calves have BB in them.
    So maybe chance a BB on some of your cows. OVO and BYU bred some great stock, but I'm not sure are they still available?
    But I know someone on here will know;)
    anyone used the blonde bull kce looks smashing in the photo or the bull kyr have a very muscly bb cow incalf to kce. Have a few cows incalf to kyr.


  • #199
    farmerjack
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    jdevitt wrote: »
    anyone used the blonde bull kce looks smashing in the photo or the bull kyr have a very muscly bb cow incalf to kce. Have a few cows incalf to kyr.


    Watch that bb cow closely when her time is up Kce is hard calved, I have a few calves off of Kce out of roomy enough simmental cows and it wasn't that simple calving them. They are about 3-4 months old now and they are super stock and will definitely use him on my bigger and easier calved cows again.


  • #200
    leg wax
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    jdevitt wrote: »
    anyone used the blonde bull kce looks smashing in the photo or the bull kyr have a very muscly bb cow incalf to kce. Have a few cows incalf to kyr.
    watch yourself with kyr had a few and hard enough works well on a good cow but he needs a help.


  • #201
    Andy Gray
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    ERE is rediculously hard calving. It's a pity because they have muscle and power and are very quiet. Dovea left the bull go widespread last year which meant he was readily available in technicians tanks. He had an easy calving figure, but with a very low reliability which meant at the time no calves had been born from him. As it turned out ERE is now considered not a cow wrecker, but a cow killer!!! AI men paid no attention to the reliability figure and put that bull into heifers up and down the country and he has left a sorry trail of destruction. If you've cows or god forbid, heifers in calf to ERE, don't expect them to calve on their own.


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