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Cavanjack · 26-07-2020 8:10pm

morphy87 wrote: »

You would wonder are the cattle there to fill it? Two people that I know that would normally be starting to sell now have nothing, went down the rearing dairy heifers,

Ah I’d say there are plenty of cattle in the country coming fit over the next few months. There is always a lull this time of the year and especially with all the grass this year lads are in no panic to move them.
For all the lads that got out of beef to rear heifers it’d hardly come to 1% of finishers I’d imagine.

morphy87 · 26-07-2020 8:16pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Ah I’d say there are plenty of cattle in the country coming fit over the next few months. There is always a lull this time of the year and especially with all the grass this year lads are in no panic to move them.
For all the lads that got out of beef to rear heifers it’d hardly come to 1% of finishers I’d imagine.

So when do you think the numbers will start to come on stream 5 to 6 weeks? And how do you think the price is going to go?

Cavanjack · 26-07-2020 8:30pm

morphy87 wrote: »

So when do you think the numbers will start to come on stream 5 to 6 weeks? And how do you think the price is going to go?

I’d imagine September alright when a lot of cattle start hitting 30 months. No two years are the same but usually the price falls back from the summer “high”. This year might be different though.
Brexit hasn’t gone away though and lads buying round the ring seem to be getting carried away with themselves.

Danzy · 26-07-2020 9:16pm

There are less cattle that can be killed as well in the next 6 months than this time last year.

Lot exported over as calves, killed as bulls, etc etc.

That has to help but...

morphy87 · 26-07-2020 9:27pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

I’d imagine September alright when a lot of cattle start hitting 30 months. No two years are the same but usually the price falls back from the summer “high”. This year might be different though.
Brexit hasn’t gone away though and lads buying round the ring seem to be getting carried away with themselves.

Stores are mad dear,but anybody selling stores will tell you they need it all to have anything at all out of it

Danzy · 26-07-2020 9:47pm

morphy87 wrote: »

Stores are mad dear,but anybody selling stores will tell you they need it all to have anything at all out of it

They do and I buy stores.

Dickie10 · 26-07-2020 10:09pm

so what happened from 2013 onwards from the first page in this thread regarding price, was it all down to dairy expansion. was that 2012 price normal or a bubble high, are we at normal now.

Bass Reeves · 26-07-2020 11:11pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Ah I’d say there are plenty of cattle in the country coming fit over the next few months. There is always a lull this time of the year and especially with all the grass this year lads are in no panic to move them.
For all the lads that got out of beef to rear heifers it’d hardly come to 1% of finishers I’d imagine.

A lot of 2018 calves and weanlings were exported. As well there will be away less U16 and U24 months bulls around. We have killed the same amount of heifers and 20K more steers than this time last year. Bull kill dr0pped 500 last week comapred to previous week and is now running 2K below last year. There is 45K less cattle killed than this time last year but we have nearly 50K less young bulls killed. Cow kill is 10k less. But AIM is showing less cattle in the 24 months + bracket from the early June. But since early June steer kill has been 2k/weeks ahead of last year.We also have to factor in the blockade last year that slowed the kill late in the year. The other factor to remember is cattle tied up to claim ANC a lot of these were not bought until late April/May this year. These will not come on market until Late October. As well with grass and a decent milk price dairy farmers will not be culling for another 8-10 weeks and if we get a dry autumn maybe not until November

It not the number of lads finishing it whether the cattle are there or not. Factories work on the presumption that if the cattle are there lads will finish them.

morphy87 · 26-07-2020 11:46pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A lot of 2018 calves and weanlings were exported. As well there will be away less U16 and U24 months bulls around. We have killed the same amount of heifers and 20K more steers than this time last year. Bull kill dr0pped 500 last week comapred to previous week and is now running 2K below last year. There is 45K less cattle killed than this time last year but we have nearly 50K less young bulls killed. Cow kill is 10k less. But AIM is showing less cattle in the 24 months + bracket from the early June. But since early June steer kill has been 2k/weeks ahead of last year.We also have to factor in the blockade last year that slowed the kill late in the year. The other factor to remember is cattle tied up to claim ANC a lot of these were not bought until late April/May this year. These will not come on market until Late October. As well with grass and a decent milk price dairy farmers will not be culling for another 8-10 weeks and if we get a dry autumn maybe not until November

It not the number of lads finishing it whether the cattle are there or not. Factories work on the presumption that if the cattle are there lads will finish them.

Going by your figures and you are usually spot on things should be looking good for the short term at least which would be a help

Good loser · 26-07-2020 11:58pm

morphy87 wrote: »

Were you happy with the weights?

Okay. Big spread 295, 315 and 355 kg dwt. Three born the same week and were treated similarly all along.

morphy87 · 27-07-2020 12:02am

Good loser wrote: »

Okay. Big spread 295, 315 and 355 kg dwt. Three born the same week and were treated similarly all along.

That’s a fair difference all right considering they were of similar age

memorystick · 27-07-2020 12:08am

Will the rain effect the price? August this week and start of autumn. Plenty of gray hay turning black near me.

Bass Reeves · 27-07-2020 12:16am

morphy87 wrote: »

Going by your figures and you are usually spot on things should be looking good for the short term at least which would be a help

I would not claim to be spot on but I think the usual autumn pressure on prices due to supply may not be there this autumn. I do not think we will see a substantial price rise but neither do I see where the pressure on prices will come from over the next 4-6 weeks

Panch18 · 27-07-2020 10:27am

memorystick wrote: »

Will the rain effect the price? August this week and start of autumn. Plenty of gray hay turning black near me.

Start of autumn??

Thats September

Bass Reeves · 27-07-2020 10:43am

memorystick wrote: »

Will the rain effect the price? August this week and start of autumn. Plenty of gray hay turning black near me.

Hay has the least effect on price. There is a lot of spare forage around. There are hayshed's full of hay still not used since last year. Loads of silage around as well. Will be taking second cut silage over next 7-14 days. Still very leafy at present just needs a a few days to use up N. Expect it to be not far off first cut in quanity.

Bass Reeves · 27-07-2020 12:18pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Start of autumn??

Thats September

Ya many people work on this fad. Just because the shortest and longest as well as the equinoxes are around people come back a month and a half from them to start seasons.

The consider winter starting Nov 1st and it probably often dose and consider spring starting Feb 1st. It has become a real fad. In my case I thing I think the season's are more aligned with the start of the months these seaspn turning events happen.

DukeCaboom · 27-07-2020 8:52pm

2 places, one South one midlands are trying hard to pull it this week. To be fair it was talk at the end of last week.

Anto_Meath · 27-07-2020 10:13pm

The northern buyers in the marts at the minute could help stop the factories trying to pull the prices. They were active in Carnaross again today.

DukeCaboom · 27-07-2020 10:40pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

The northern buyers in the marts at the minute could help stop the factories trying to pull the prices. They were active in Carnaross again today.

Stop the lights. I'd say there only bluffing, I told one lad I won't bother killing anything this week so & he said ring him back Thursday again and we'd talk.

Anto_Meath · 27-07-2020 11:12pm

Ah they will try and pull them and this weather isn't helping but once there is a wee bit of competition in the market they wouldn't get to pull too much.. 540kg fleshed AAX bullocks made €1240. That's the best part of a €100 more than they would make in factory.

ruwithme · 27-07-2020 11:17pm

€3.75 base price for heifers at the moment in liffey meats bjd.
being told strong optimism for more next week??

Good loser · 27-07-2020 11:21pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Ah they will try and pull them and this weather isn't helping but once there is a wee bit of competition in the market they wouldn't get to pull too much.. 540kg fleshed AAX bullocks made €1240. That's the best part of a €100 more than they would make in factory.

At least €150 more, I'd say.

morphy87 · 29-07-2020 6:41pm

3 75 steers,south east,stuck on that price even though numbers tight an agent told, might hit 3 80 by the weekend he reckons

DukeCaboom · 29-07-2020 7:00pm

Good loser wrote: »

At least €150 more, I'd say.

Definitely, I know of a lad who got €3.30 for a serious load of coloured cows, sold the other half in the mart and he reckons they made €150 a piece more in the mart.

Duke92 · 30-07-2020 7:02pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Definitely, I know of a lad who got €3.30 for a serious load of coloured cows, sold the other half in the mart and he reckons they made €150 a piece more in the mart.

They mustn’t have been serious cows so

DukeCaboom · 30-07-2020 7:36pm

Duke92 wrote: »

They mustn’t have been serious cows so

There were great cows and got a good price in the factory and the second lot still made more in the mart!

blue5000 · 01-08-2020 1:11pm

DukeCaboom wrote: »

Definitely, I know of a lad who got €3.30 for a serious load of coloured cows, sold the other half in the mart and he reckons they made €150 a piece more in the mart.

I got 3.30 for R grade 3.10 for O grade cows this week. Just wondering what price cows are in the North if they're able to give such prices in the mart down here? I weighed mine and they killed out just a shade under 50% 653 was av LW.

Not too long since I got 3.35 for u24 mth bulls.

Cavanjack · 02-08-2020 5:51pm

Load of bullocks going this week. €3.75 best I can get.

jntsnk · 02-08-2020 5:58pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Load of bullocks going this week. €3.75 best I can get.

Any sweetners.

Cavanjack · 02-08-2020 7:04pm

jntsnk wrote: »

Any sweetners.

No. Never got transport thrown in. No weight restrictions I supposed.

morphy87 · 02-08-2020 8:45pm

When there would be a scarce or in demand, I often get no weight cuts,transport and flat prices unfortunately this ain’t to often

Good loser · 02-08-2020 9:02pm

Cahir wouldn't pay me €3.75 last week and (potentially) this week.

kevthegaff · 03-08-2020 9:16am

I have 2 old stock bulls fresian and angus, where is the best place to bring them around tipp?

DukeCaboom · 03-08-2020 10:05am

Roscrea.

mahoney_j · 03-08-2020 10:19am

kevthegaff wrote: »

I have 2 old stock bulls fresian and angus, where is the best place to bring them around tipp?

100% the mart Kev took my 4 year old Hereford to nenagh last Tuesday 920 kg 1485 euro

memorystick · 03-08-2020 11:20am

mahoney_j wrote: »

100% the mart Kev took my 4 year old Hereford to nenagh last Tuesday 920 kg 1485 euro

Exactly. Maybe that dealer who bought the bull last week and killed him the following day and got over €500 for himself might be there and then we can give out about dealers riding farmers.

tanko · 03-08-2020 11:26am

memorystick wrote: »

Exactly. Maybe that dealer who bought the bull last week and killed him the following day and got over €500 for himself might be there and then we can give out about dealers riding farmers.

If that story is true then the farmer selling the bull didn’t know the worth of what he was selling.
In that case the auctioneer and dealer might have a very cosy relationship and the farmer was asleep in the sellers box.
I wouldn’t trust some auctioneers as far as i’d throw them.

mahoney_j · 03-08-2020 11:50am

tanko wrote: »

If that story is true then the farmer selling the bull didn’t know the worth of what he was selling.
In that case the auctioneer and dealer might have a very cosy relationship and the farmer was asleep in the sellers box.
I wouldn’t trust some auctioneers as far as i’d throw them.

There’s times of the year and ainmals I’d go to mart with and others I’d avoid it like the plague I was happy with above know little to nothing about factory or what I’d of got but couldn’t of seen a 48 month old bull comming to much or any more if I went that route .marts are nesecary and great outlet for stock but certain dealers and auctioneers and what’s let go on is infuriating

Bass Reeves · 03-08-2020 12:49pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

There’s times of the year and ainmals I’d go to mart with and others I’d avoid it like the plague I was happy with above know little to nothing about factory or what I’d of got but couldn’t of seen a 48 month old bull comming to much or any more if I went that route .marts are nesecary and great outlet for stock but certain dealers and auctioneers and what’s let go on is infuriating

Your bull made near enough 3/kg unless he.killed 55+%. You would not get it in the factory not for a single stock bull anyway.

Panch18 · 03-08-2020 12:56pm

Good loser wrote: »

Cahir wouldn't pay me €3.75 last week and (potentially) this week.

Cahir are gone to the dogs for paying in the last few years - so much so that despite being a few miles from there we haven't sent cattle or cows there in a few years

You'd be better off looking elsewhere i'd say

Panch18 · 03-08-2020 12:59pm

Sold a AA bull at the mart last week - 1020kg for 1,650. Was happy with that.

If going to the factory then Roscrea is the place for those bulls - apparently

patsy_mccabe · 03-08-2020 1:01pm

Local guy here getting 3.75 flat for angus for u30 months. Not bad when AA bonus is included.

cute geoge · 03-08-2020 1:21pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Local guy here getting 3.75 flat for angus for u30 months. Not bad when AA bonus is included.

Is he a big supplier ,

Bass Reeves · 03-08-2020 1:30pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Local guy here getting 3.75 flat for angus for u30 months. Not bad when AA bonus is included.

Would not consider that great. Would expect most AA's to grade O+/R. Usually a flat price includes all bonuses.

Any O+bullock grading O+ at a base of 3.7/kg would be making 3.78, add AA bonus and he be at 3.88/kg

patsy_mccabe · 03-08-2020 2:03pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Would not consider that great. Would expect most AA's to grade O+/R. Usually a flat price includes all bonuses.

Any O+bullock grading O+ at a base of 3.7/kg would be making 3.78, add AA bonus and he be at 3.88/kg

No, should have said 3.75 base plus all bonuses. O grades will get R price too.
Not familiar with factory jargon. Don't factory here.

morphy87 · 03-08-2020 9:51pm

Steers 3.80 south east plus bonus payments and Qa bonus

weatherbyfoxer · 05-08-2020 9:22am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Would not consider that great. Would expect most AA's to grade O+/R. Usually a flat price includes all bonuses.

Any O+bullock grading O+ at a base of 3.7/kg would be making 3.78, add AA bonus and he be at 3.88/kg

dawn paying 20c for aa once O- or better.

Bass Reeves · 05-08-2020 1:10pm

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

dawn paying 20c for aa once O- or better.

Is that to 30 or 36 months

Neddyusa · 05-08-2020 11:31pm

Many qualify for the new beef compensation payment?
I had a load of cattle that missed out by a week in the previous scheme. Had a load miss out by 1 day this time.... on the bright side I'm getting closer!

Neddyusa · 05-08-2020 11:34pm

Neddyusa wrote: »

Many qualify for the new beef compensation payment?
I had a load of cattle that missed out by a week in the previous scheme. Had a load miss out by 1 day this time.... on the bright side I'm getting closer!

1st Feb to 12th June is the period. And €100/hd is the rate

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