Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

First Up · 30-08-2019 12:08pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

you didnt look very hard

one of the many flaws in your argument, the person who was overtaken as the richest man in the uk, the Duke of Westminster, is also a leaver!

I don't think he acquired his wealth by producing goods for export.

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 12:10pm

First Up wrote: »

I don't think he acquired his wealth by producing goods for export.

neither did jacob rees mogg

gmisk · 30-08-2019 12:11pm

Aegir wrote: »

the EMA has 897 employees according to its website, but it is still a loss to the UK, obviously.

But please explain how what I have written is rubbish?

Is your name Jacob Rees Mogg or Nigel Farage? - maybe read what I wrote?
Were you on TV constantly advocating for Brexit?

There were due to be more jobs moved to London from what he had said....now not only do they not get those jobs (I should say these are good...really well paid ones) they loose the 900 odd jobs they had.

gmisk · 30-08-2019 12:14pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

neither did jacob rees mogg

Neither is he on that list of the richest people in the uk....but the two big advocates for Brexit on the list have increased their fortune by 15BN since brexit.

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 12:16pm

gmisk wrote: »

Neither is he on that list of the richest people in the uk....but the two big advocates for Brexit on the list have increased their fortune by 15BN since brexit.

i dont really care. its quite a leap to conclude this occurred because of some corrupt motivations in the leave campaign as you are insinuating

gmisk · 30-08-2019 12:20pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

i dont really care. its quite a leap to conclude this occurred because of some corrupt motivations in the leave campaign as you are insinuating

I dont really care that you don't really care.....I gave you facts about who has profited most since Brexit.

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 12:21pm

gmisk wrote: »

I dont really care that you don't really care.....I gave you facts about who has profited most since Brexit.

you didn't just give facts tho - you made a ridiculous insinuation

30-08-2019 12:22pm

gmisk wrote: »

Is your name Jacob Rees Mogg or Nigel Farage? - maybe read what I wrote?
Were you on TV constantly advocating for Brexit?

ad hominem usually means you can't respond to the question. You agreed with someone who said my post was rubbish, so why do you think that?

gmisk wrote: »

There were due to be more jobs moved to London from what he had said....now not only do they not get those jobs (I should say these are good...really well paid ones) they loose the 900 odd jobs they had.

the European Medicine agency employs 890 people in the UK and the Banking Agency 184.

These are a big loss to the UK, I agree. I was correcting your numbers though.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ema-eba-staff-london-benefits/

Stop moaning ffs · 30-08-2019 12:22pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

i dont really care. its quite a leap to conclude this occurred because of some corrupt motivations in the leave campaign as you are insinuating

You seem unaware of farage being involved in insider trading and cohorts of his making millions betting against the pound the night of the referendum result

You seem unaware of one of Johnson’s biggest donors to the tune of 20 million has bet 300 million against British companies on the stock market.

You seem unaware that Moggs father wrote the actual book on disaster capitalism and how to make millions off national crisis.

The people engineering brexit are doing it purely to make billions and get out of the Eu before the tax directive comes in

Junkyard Tom · 30-08-2019 12:26pm

If Jacob Rees Mogg was making a fortune from brexit related medicine shortages the cargo-cultists brexit crowd would say 'someone has to supply the body bags'.

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 12:27pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You seem unaware of farage being involved in insider trading and cohorts of his making millions betting against the pound the night of the referendum result

You seem unaware of one of Johnson’s biggest donors to the tune of 20 million has bet 300 million against British companies on the stock market.

You seem unaware that Moggs father wrote the actual book on disaster capitalism and how to make millions off national crisis.

The people engineering brexit are doing it purely to make billions and get out of the Eu before the tax directive comes in

some are unproven, others are unrelated. investors make money regardless of the circumstance. but good that you admit there will be a tax directive whether ireland likes it or not, including standardising corporation tax. get ready for them to run like rats when ireland are suddenly moving towards corporation taxe percentages in the late 20's!

Stop moaning ffs · 30-08-2019 12:31pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

some are unproven, others are unrelated. investors make money regardless of the circumstance. but good that you admit there will be a tax directive whether ireland likes it or not, including standardising corporation tax. get ready for them to run like rats when ireland are suddenly moving towards corporation taxe percentages in the late 20's!

So you’re half aware everything I posted is fact and happened is happening yet don’t want to admit it and dig down into the fact that a super rich few elite in the UK are going to destroy the lives of 70 million Briton’s.

But screw your ireland you’re gonna get hit too.

Typical brexit cognitive dissonance

gmisk · 30-08-2019 12:31pm

Aegir wrote: »

ad hominem usually means you can't respond to the question. You agreed with someone who said my post was rubbish, so why do you think that?

the European Medicine agency employs 890 people in the UK and the Banking Agency 184.

These are a big loss to the UK, I agree. I was correcting your numbers though.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ema-eba-staff-london-benefits/

You will have to show me that - cant see it on my phone tbh.

You already corrected the figure...thats why I said 900 odd jobs in my response - it is just one example.

Do you know what at this stage...argue away about it....enjoy your red white and blue/hard brexit and the damage it will do to your economy, its just a shame other countries will have to deal with the knock on effect.

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 12:34pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So you’re half aware everything I posted is fact and happened is happening yet don’t want to admit it and dig down into the fact that a super rich few elite in the UK are going to destroy the lives of 70 million Briton’s.

But screw your ireland you’re gonna get hit too.

Typical brexit cognitive dissonance

The super rich elite were the super rich elite before brexit. And by the way, there were more of them on the remain side of the campaign. i know its not convenient for you!

30-08-2019 12:44pm

gmisk wrote: »

You will have to show me that - cant see it on my phone tbh.

ok, they used the term warped, but I would still like to see how it is. The EU pisses away millions a year in bloated salaries and expenses. See posts below.

gmisk wrote: »

You already corrected the figure...thats why I said 900 odd jobs in my response - it is just one example.

we are in violent agreement then

gmisk wrote: »

Do you know what at this stage...argue away about it....enjoy your red white and blue/hard brexit and the damage it will do to your economy, its just a shame other countries will have to deal with the knock on effect.

it is possible to be critical of the EU itself and not be a rabid brexiteer, unless you think the EU are above criticism. I would be equally critical of any government if it paid the kind of expenses the EU pays.

Writing things off as "In the grand scheme of things" is how people like Rody Molloy justified first class flights, five star hotels and paying for his wifes hair to be done. it isn't very much in relation to the billion euro budget FAS had, but it is still pissing away tax payers money.

MadYaker wrote: »

Would this be a common view in the UK? I guess if lots of other people share this warped view of the EU you could see how brexit would get support. Sad really.

gmisk wrote: »

I think it is unfortunately....and the areas that seemed to have swallowed it wholesale are the ones that are most likely going to be badly effected.

I would say look at the people spouting Brexit rubbish...do you trust a word that comes from them? Nigel Farage? JRM?

Seriously?!?!

Of course there has already been a massive amount of damage done to the UK economy but its just the beginning.

I have a friend who works for the European drugs agency for example...thats about 1500 jobs gone to Amsterdam...id say there are a tonne more examples. But hey we can take back the borders...and get rid of the foreigners.

FrancieBrady · 30-08-2019 12:47pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

The super rich elite were the super rich elite before brexit. And by the way, there were more of them on the remain side of the campaign. i know its not convenient for you!

The sad incontrovertible fact though is that the Leave side were more easily led thus requiring less elites to pull the con.

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 12:52pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The sad incontrovertible fact though is that the Leave side were more easily led thus requiring less elites to pull the con.

Come back to me in a year and tell me about the con again

#AlreadyTradeDealsWith38Countries!!

Danzy · 30-08-2019 12:53pm

Aegir wrote: »

So the EU is a good idea, I think we agree on that.

Imagine how much extra benefit the eu could give, if it wasn't pissing away so much money on gold plated pensions, parachute payments and rather generous schooling allowances for the kids of EU commissioners and presidents.

How many schools, hospitals or other actual needed services could the eu fund every year if it just stopped the almost criminal act of moving parliament to Strasbourg every now and then.

The EEC, the common market were good ideas.

Developing it in to the EU and especially the Euro were very bad ideas.

The Eurozone a dozen years ago was on a par with America's economy, it is now just under half as big now.

That is a story bigger than Brexit.

gmisk · 30-08-2019 12:56pm

Aegir wrote: »

ok, they used the term warped, but I would still like to see how it is. The EU pisses away millions a year in bloated salaries and expenses. See posts below.

we are in violent agreement then

it is possible to be critical of the EU itself and not be a rabid brexiteer, unless you think the EU are above criticism. I would be equally critical of any government if it paid the kind of expenses the EU pays.

Writing things off as "In the grand scheme of things" is how people like Rody Molloy justified first class flights, five star hotels and paying for his wifes hair to be done. it isn't very much in relation to the billion euro budget FAS had, but it is still pissing away tax payers money.

I personally wouldnt have used the term warped, but I agreed with the thrust of that the post said yes.

Of course it is possible to be critical of the EU - it has massive issues - but its already been demonstrated on this thread factually that is is financially beneficial - not to mention other benefits like free travel, improved protection for workers etc.

One positive thing which I think has come out of this is people will be even more weary of "irexit" there seemed to be negligible support for it (despite what Nigel Farage was trying to peddle on Claire Byrne).

Danzy · 30-08-2019 12:57pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

Come back to me in a year and tell me about the con again

#AlreadyTradeDealsWith38Countries!!

Mostly with countries with tiny economies or far away.

Japan has been a leading global economy for decades, open trade, yet Ireland still imports 3.5 times the value from Britain.

Proximity is more important in exports than agreements and often cost.

gmisk · 30-08-2019 12:58pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

Come back to me in a year and tell me about the con again

#AlreadyTradeDealsWith38Countries!!

All the biggies!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47213842

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 1:00pm

Danzy wrote: »

Mostly with countries with tiny economies or far away.

Japan has been a leading global economy for decades, open trade, yet Ireland still imports 3.5 times the value from Britain.

Proximity is more important in exports than agreements and often cost.

ireland was that big because it was close

it's almost the 2020's. proximity isnt as important anymore!

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 1:03pm

gmisk wrote: »

All the biggies!
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47213842

USA coming

Before the presidential election in 14 months time i reckon - at least a couple of big parts of it!

FrancieBrady · 30-08-2019 1:06pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

USA coming

There's a joke there somewhere!

Stop moaning ffs · 30-08-2019 1:08pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

USA coming

Before the presidential election in 14 months time i reckon - at least a couple of big parts of it!

UK imports 6 times more to ireland than it does to china.

Who is the biggies again?

You absolutely need us more than we need you.

Brexiteer · 30-08-2019 1:17pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

UK imports 6 times more to ireland than it does to china.

Who is the biggies again?

You absolutely need us more than we need you.

please refer to my earlier post

Stop moaning ffs · 30-08-2019 1:19pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

please refer to my earlier post

The one where it says Only 9% of Irish exports go to Britain and the number is falling steadily year by year?

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 30-08-2019 1:26pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

ireland was that big because it was close

it's almost the 2020's. proximity isnt as important anymore!

Of course it is. Importing from japan is harder than from Germany.

lawred2 · 30-08-2019 1:27pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

ireland was that big because it was close

it's almost the 2020's. proximity isnt as important anymore!

yeah because goods get shipped over the internet now

30-08-2019 1:27pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

UK imports 6 times more to ireland than it does to china.

Who is the biggies again?

You absolutely need us more than we need you.

that's more hyperbole to be honest.

Most global companies see one market of 65m people, all speaking the same language, using similar goods and subject to the same advertising. Stick your name on the front of a premiership teams shirt and get instant recognition in both countries.

A Korean company selling a toaster wouldn't have one lot destined for the UK and another for Ireland, it all goes in to a warehouse in the UK and the Irish market fulfilled from there. The UK would get no export duties for it other than a bit more on the percentage of the import duties it gets (presuming it gets any, which I don't think it would it the goods came from within the UK).

The same thing would apply to Tesco, M&S and Next, to name but a few. You could argue that it creates jobs in the UK, but not that many, if any.

Stop moaning ffs · 30-08-2019 1:29pm

Aegir wrote: »

that's more hyperbole to be honest.

Most global companies see one market of 65m people, all speaking the same language, using similar goods and subject to the same advertising. Stick your name on the front of a premiership teams shirt and get instant recognition in both countries.

A Korean company selling a toaster wouldn't have one lot destined for the UK and another for Ireland, it all goes in to a warehouse in the UK and the Irish market fulfilled from there. The UK would get no export duties for it other than a bit more on the percentage of the import duties it gets (presuming it gets any, which I don't think it would it the goods came from within the UK).

The same thing would apply to Tesco, M&S and Next, to name but a few. You could argue that it creates jobs in the UK, but not that many, if any.

It’s not hyperbole. UK sn't even in our top two export destinations. We’re running a massive trade surplus against them.

FrancieBrady · 30-08-2019 1:33pm

Seems Britian's refusal to 'piss off and get on with Brexit' is going to enter the lexicon alá 'boycott'

https://www.qwertee.com/product/brexiting

30-08-2019 1:35pm

gmisk wrote: »

Of course it is possible to be critical of the EU - it has massive issues - but its already been demonstrated on this thread factually that is is financially beneficial - not to mention other benefits like free travel, improved protection for workers etc.

Democracy is good, but that doesn't mean we should let the people we vote for have a free reign with the countries finances. All politicians should be subject to checks and balances, but I'm not sure the EU is. Othern then by politicians from member states, who probably all fancy jumping on the eu gravy train at the end of their careers, so are quite happy to see it continue rolling along.

For me, the advantages of the EU, in terms of how it has benefited us personally, is much less financial, but more in terms of the free travel and free movement. This is what really pisses me off with Brexit, is that it was a bunch of old farts who voted for it and yet they have ****ed up the future for the generations below them who are the ones that would really get the benefits from it.

gmisk wrote: »

One positive thing which I think has come out of this is people will be even more weary of "irexit" there seemed to be negligible support for it (despite what Nigel Farage was trying to peddle on Claire Byrne).

The UK leaving is an act of self harm, Ireland leaving would be an act of suicide.

Stop moaning ffs · 30-08-2019 1:37pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seems Britian's refusal to 'piss off and get on with Brexit' is going to enter the lexicon alá 'boycott'

https://www.qwertee.com/product/brexiting

Brectum is another favorite.
the Orifice from which the brexiter speaks

30-08-2019 1:38pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s not hyperbole. UK sn't even in our top two export destinations. We’re running a massive trade surplus against them.

the "You need us more than we need you" certainly is.

Charles Babbage · 30-08-2019 1:40pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

It’s not hyperbole. UK sn't even in our top two export destinations. We’re running a massive trade surplus against them.

No we have a deficit with them. Ireland is one of the few places the UK has a surplus with, which means they export more to us as many international goods are routed to Ireland through the UK. These are already being routed differently, a loss of business to Britain.

30-08-2019 2:06pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

No we have a deficit with them. Ireland is one of the few places the UK has a surplus with, which means they export more to us as many international goods are routed to Ireland through the UK. These are already being routed differently, a loss of business to Britain.

Is it really much of a loss though?

Instead of a washing machine being routed from Rotterdam to Peterborough to Dublin, it goes straight to Dublin. There is no value add or taxes the uk can derive from it. It’s very much like the UK exports to the Netherlands and Belgium. A lot of those are exported there for onward shipment elsewhere. If those goods end up in Frankfurt, other than a few jobs, Belgium doesn’t get much value from it.

lawred2 · 30-08-2019 2:13pm

Aegir wrote: »

Is it really much of a loss though?

Instead of a washing machine being routed from Rotterdam to Peterborough to Dublin, it goes straight to Dublin. There is no value add or taxes the uk can derive from it. It’s very much like the UK exports to the Netherlands and Belgium. A lot of those are exported there for onward shipment elsewhere. If those goods end up in Frankfurt, other than a few jobs, Belgium doesn’t get much value from it.

it's a loss to British hauliers, logistics firms and warehousing

30-08-2019 2:17pm

30-08-2019 2:21pm

lawred2 wrote: »

it's a loss to British hauliers, logistics firms and warehousing

probably not so much the warehousing, because we are only looking at a potential 8% reduction, but logisitcs yes and that is a real tangible loss.

When you compare the loss to the economy of ten lorries coming to Ireland as opposed to the loss of 1000 50" 4K TVs though, it is much less.

Both countries benefit from the close relationship, that's why I say "You need us more than we need you" is hyperbole.

declanflynn · 30-08-2019 2:33pm

Brexiteer wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

The UK has 60 million people and produces enough food for 33 million.

Pretty simple. You won't starve, but thing are about to get lean. Like world-war-rationing, lean. And certain foodstuffs that you take for granted will get really expensive.

I don't know if you've ever tried growing anything, but it takes time. And land. You can't double your output in the space of year, or even five.

the UK also EXPORTS £22 billion worth of food & drink. besides, as i said, we can get food from anywhere. world-war-rationing, ridiculous. we already have trade deals with 38 countries and lots more to come

declanflynn wrote: »

You should go for a hard brexit it in the morning mate, don't be afraid, it won't even take 3 months for sterling to bounce back I'd say 3 days and the ould pound will be stronger than ever

stop mis-representing what i said, "mate"

declanflynn wrote: »

Its going to super duper for ye mate best of luck

its not, but it will

First Up wrote: »

Under a different name I assume as you only started using this one today.

Looks familiar though.......

no, as i said i was only a reader, accidentally due to the fact that a friend is a regular poster who shows me the brexit threads on the site

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Bullies don’t like being bullied.

What the average brexiter doesn’t realized they are being bullied and manipulated by their elite classes like Mogg and Johnson et al.

if you feel the need to discreit us based on events 100 years ago and more, it says it all. as for the elite, the government, the baks, the city of london, top business people were all over the remain campaigin in 2015/16. so think again!

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

The elite among remainders at last the move vocal mouths aren’t making millions betting against the uk economy and shifting their money abroad etc

The leave ones are doing that and worse

any evidence of who is moving their money abroad and how much?

Can ye leave sooner than Oct 31st mate

Stop moaning ffs · 30-08-2019 2:43pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

No we have a deficit with them. Ireland is one of the few places the UK has a surplus with, which means they export more to us as many international goods are routed to Ireland through the UK. These are already being routed differently, a loss of business to Britain.

McWilliams disagrees with you but we’re definitely uncoupling from them at a rapid rate. I’d be curious to see how far divergence and ending interdependence can go and how soon.

Laois_Man · 30-08-2019 2:59pm

First this.....

Brexiteer wrote: »

- slower or less use of the landbridge will make transit take longer, and imported goods, whether from the UK or the EU, more expensive

Then this......

Brexiteer wrote: »

it's almost the 2020's. proximity isnt as important anymore!

But....but.....slower imported goods takes longer and is more expensive you said

First this......

Brexiteer wrote: »

which will make a change from us eating irish horse meat not to mention the African Swine Flu the EU states have at the moment.

Then this.....

Brexiteer wrote: »

Come back to me in a year and tell me about the con again

#AlreadyTradeDealsWith38Countries!!

4 of the 38 countries are Madagascar, Mauritius, Seychelles and Zimbabwe.

Royal Irish · 30-08-2019 3:16pm

That's a burn.

Laois_Man · 30-08-2019 3:23pm

And here's another....relating to the horse meat scandal.

Alex Ostler-Beech, 43, from Hull, Ulrik Nielsen, 57, from Gentofte, Denmark, and Andrew Sideras, 54, from Southgate, London, have all been charged with fraud offences.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/26/three-men-charged-over-uk-horsemeat-scandal

So it appears it wasn't all the EU!

BorneTobyWilde · 30-08-2019 5:19pm

Maybe Bo Jo is trying to get a deal, I fear he has been reading The Art Of The Deal and playing it play by play. Trump is in his ear, that's for sure.
EU will break eventually I think.

30-08-2019 5:25pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

EU will break eventually I think.

Why would the lion bow to the fly? And if he did, what message is that sending to the other flies? This is message time, and Britannia will have to be taught, and be seen to have been taught.

30-08-2019 5:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would the lion bow to the fly? And if he did, what message is that sending to the other flies? This is message time, and Britannia will have to be taught, and be seen to have been taught.

should that sentence not end "By Jingo"?

declanflynn · 30-08-2019 9:12pm

Aegir wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Why would the lion bow to the fly? And if he did, what message is that sending to the other flies? This is message time, and Britannia will have to be taught, and be seen to have been taught.

should that sentence not end "By Jingo"?

Britannia is going to be taught a lesson by bojo

30-08-2019 10:04pm

declanflynn wrote: »

Britannia is going to be taught a lesson by bojo

You’re a beef farmer right? Have you read this https://www.ifa.ie/brexit/brexit-ireland/

Do you see the insanity of hoping the UK leaves the Eu tomorrow?

You’re no different to the fruit farmers in the uk who voted for Brexit.

It really is bizarre.

Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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