Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

Morrison J · 01-11-2018 1:26pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

There really is no house fighter in this one,
Fight is in California not really Wilder country,
I think he's fought there only 3 or 4 times but last time was like 4 years ago

Ah Wilder is definitely the a-side. Fight would be in NY but Barclays was all booked up. He's topping the bill, he'll be getting the bigger purse, Showtime will be injecting all the money into the promotion, powers that be will want Wilder to win this to set up the Joshua fight.

yourdeadwright · 01-11-2018 3:34pm

Draw

I agree he is the A-side but I thought you where talking about the house fighter as the home town fight my bad,

I seen an interesting video taking a while back of Wilder's trainer speaking about Fury , saying if you fight him you need to make mark in the first few rounds and if you start chasing the fight you'll be beaten,

I think after hearing that you will see Wilder coming out a little less cautious than the Ortiz fight and trying to hurt Fury early ,

Blanco100 · 02-11-2018 8:22pm

Wilder is going to get KO'd in this one when he goes chasing the win.

He will get outboxed and then he will get reckless. Not a huge Fury fan as a fighter but hes going to be hard to hit as he fights cautiously. When Wilder pours it on he will get dropped.

Late stoppage between 9-12. Dont think Wilder can box, he is athletic, unorthodox and game. But he is totally limited. Fury will make him look so raw and will have no interest in trading.

Could see Wilder landing a hail mary shot on Joshua though and shocking him.

Likewise I could see a stinker of a fight between AJ and Fury with AJ getting the nod in a close one. And fans will scream robbery on the cards when really there was feck all in it.

All of these guys are vulnerable and see them beating each other.

walshb · 02-11-2018 9:29pm

Wilder Points

Wilder is barely the A side. Globally, Fury would probably be the bigger name..

Not sure who is judging the fight, but I hope it’s somewhat neutral to at least try and shut up the whingers..

If the judges are neutral I don’t expect any kind of favoritism or home advantage or house fighter or A side nonsense.

Angliru · 02-11-2018 10:14pm

Draw

You'd assume given Fury is popular and quite vocal, and with it being in LA that judging will be fair. Deontay has gotten the rub of the green more than once in the past so you'd wonder. However I don't think it'll be necessary. Wilder is going to have to knock Fury out as all the lax judging in the world won't prevent him from losing on points to Fury. I wonder will Fury fight predominantly in a southpaw stance for this. Ortiz and Szpilka are rather slick and well schooled southpaws, especially Ortiz and Fury is kind of a weird fighter from southpaw but they caused Wilder a good deal of bother.

qwabercd · 02-11-2018 11:28pm

Wilder Points

Angliru wrote: »

You'd assume given Fury is popular and quite vocal, and with it being in LA that judging will be fair. Deontay has gotten the rub of the green more than once in the past so you'd wonder.

Given that Wilder has only gone the distance once in his career, that's not possible.

Angliru · 02-11-2018 11:35pm

Draw

qwabercd wrote: »

Given that Wilder has only gone the distance once in his career, that's not possible.

Cards are still scored after every round, correct? You can still be given rounds you didn't deserve if a judge is acting a little silly, correct? Cards are still released even if the fight ends in a stoppage, correct? On the official cards Wilder was beating Ortiz, Szpilka and Washington yet he was losing all three fights in reality.

qwabercd · 02-11-2018 11:37pm

Wilder Points

Angliru wrote: »

Cards are still scored after every round, correct? You can still be given rounds you didn't deserve if a judge is acting a little silly, correct? Cards are still released even if the fight ends in a stoppage, correct? On the official cards Wilder was beating Ortiz, Szpilka and Washington yet he was losing all three fights in reality.

Fair point.

yourdeadwright · 03-11-2018 11:36pm

Draw

Just one thing people seem to overlook is Wilders boxing ability he has an olympic Bronze medal so he can certainly box to a degree ,
He is just wild and reckless when he swings for the ko and its normally when hes hurt his oppenent

ebbsy · 06-11-2018 11:12pm

Fury KO

Fury's lack of activity and quality of recent opponents would make me think twice about betting on him.

I would like him to win though, so he can face AJ. But I don't think he has a hope in hell there, AJ will stop him.

Sweet.Science · 07-11-2018 9:58am

Draw

Fury beats Wilder
AJ Beats Fury
Wilder beats AJ

walshb · 07-11-2018 10:06am

Wilder Points

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Fury beats Wilder
AJ Beats Fury
Wilder beats AJ

Dec 2 you’ll need to tweak this!

Sweet.Science · 07-11-2018 10:10am

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Dec 2 you’ll need to tweak this!

i am worried Fury was forced into this fight too early and is going to retire again straight after it. He does look in good shape though.

yourdeadwright · 07-11-2018 11:23am

Draw

I have to say the big worry about Fury is in any footage of training and in his previous 2 fights he looks like he has less power than before,

He didn't have great power to begin with but if he can't at least get Wilder's respect he's in trouble,

He can't let Wilder walk him down for 12 rounds , he needs to have Wilder a little worried about being tagged, His stiff jab worried Wlad and managed to scare him into not letting his hands go,

Wilder and people say if Wlad just let his hands go he would have won but was because he was worried about taking a shot, He needs to do the same to Wilder if not he's in trouble,

walshb · 07-11-2018 11:27am

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I have to say the big worry about Fury is in any footage of training and in his previous 2 fights he looks like he has less power than before,

He didn't have great power to begin with but if he can't at least get Wilder's respect he's in trouble,

Spot on...

It's what I think the result comes down to. Wilder will not be discouraged or hurt badly, allowing him more "freedom" to be offensive and aggressive.

I just cannot see how Fury avoids a whopper for 36 mins...

I said it many times, he is a KO waiting to happen, and it will happen in 3 weeks time...

I really believe people are overrating Fury's chin and defense.....both will let him down....Wilder being the perfect height and size to crack that chin.

yourdeadwright · 07-11-2018 11:54am

Draw

Id have to agree with the above
There is a chance that even if Fury's power is gone that he may be crafty enough to catch Wilder walking on to something , At heavy weight anything can happen,

I wouldn't say Fury has a great chin he's just good at rolling with shots and not taking them clean , His size is a huge reason for people not catching him clean, So your correct Wilder's height and length give him a better chance than most,

Fury certainly needs to have moments to discourage Wilder,

Morrison J · 07-11-2018 5:05pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just one thing people seem to overlook is Wilders boxing ability he has an olympic Bronze medal so he can certainly box to a degree ,
He is just wild and reckless when he swings for the ko and its normally when hes hurt his oppenent

https://twitter.com/EditinKing/status/1060094593776185344

megadodge · 07-11-2018 9:35pm

Draw

Why are people talking about Wilder's "aggression" and "walking down" Fury?

Wilder is NOT aggressive!!! He's the polar opposite in fact.

The only fight I can remember Wilder being really aggressive was against Audley Harrison - probably the only boxer on the planet more afraid of getting hit than himself!

walshb · 07-11-2018 10:35pm

Wilder Points

He may well be aggressive, or more than previously if he feels and knows that Fury can’t or isn’t really bothering/hurting him...that is the hypothesis..

And just to add, being aggressive doesn’t always mean being non stop on the attack..

A boxer can exert aggression subtly and passively..

You don’t get 40 or so KOs in 41 fights without having some aggression...

FTA69 · 08-11-2018 12:52am

Draw

Tyson Fury is indeed the greatest heavyweight of all time but I'm worried two years playing the bugle will have dented him.

He was on Joe Rogan recently and it was a very good listen actually.

Nika Bolokov · 11-11-2018 1:38pm

Fury Points

FTA69 wrote: »

Tyson Fury is indeed the greatest heavyweight of all time but I'm worried two years playing the bugle will have dented him.

He was on Joe Rogan recently and it was a very good listen actually.

Was a great interview alright. Both fighters have a great back story, read a Wilder biography I got on Amazon and he has had rough times too.

Shame the promoters are not making more of it to generate interest from the wider public. The UFC would be all over it

nacho libre · 11-11-2018 10:00pm

Wilder Points

I think Fury will be knocked out for two reasons: Wilder won't be a scardy cat like Wlad was, and, i don't think this version of Fury will be as good as the man who showed up in Germany. I just don't see him being good enough now to avoid being hit with something solid over 12 rounds. If he does manage to beat Wilder, I just hope he does not sink into depression again.

megadodge · 11-11-2018 10:59pm

Draw

nacho libre wrote: »

I think Fury will be knocked out for two reasons: Wilder won't be a scardy cat like Wlad was, and, i don't think this version of Fury will be as good as the man who showed up in Germany. I just don't see him being good enough now to avoid being hit with something solid over 12 rounds. If he does manage to beat Wilder, I just hope he does not sink into depression again.

I wouldn't be too sure about that!

It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

Wilder fights scared.

Always.

nacho libre · 11-11-2018 11:05pm

Wilder Points

megadodge wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure about that!

It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks.

Wilder fights scared.

Always.

That is true to an extent, he is tenative against fighters he fears can knock him out with punch power, like Ortiz, I don't think he will have that fear against Fury, though.

megadodge · 11-11-2018 11:07pm

Draw

nacho libre wrote: »

That is true to an extent, he is tenative against fighters he fears can knock him out with punch power, like Ortiz, I don't think he will have that fear against Fury, though.

He's tentative against everyone.

Seriously.

walshb · 11-11-2018 11:10pm

Wilder Points

Scared, tentative, cautious, measured, calm, methodical, careful, wise, patient.......whatever way one wants to describe it, it sure has served him well.......

Almost a perfect KO record in his career.....

And in 2/3 weeks time that KO streak will continue. Fury has nothing to stop it!

Fury's cashing out!

megadodge · 11-11-2018 11:28pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Scared, tentative, cautious, measured, calm, methodical, careful, wise, patient.......whatever way one wants to describe it, it sure has served him well.......

Almost a perfect KO record in his career.....

And in 2/3 weeks time that KO streak will continue. Fury has nothing to stop it!

Fury's cashing out!

CALM??????????????????????

We're talking about Deontay Fúcking Wilder here!!!

walshb · 12-11-2018 2:23pm

Wilder Points

megadodge wrote: »

CALM??????????????????????

We're talking about Deontay Fúcking Wilder here!!!

It's just a word....there are several other words.....including scared and tentative

Bottom line........it won't matter a damn in a few weeks because he will have another KO win to his record...

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 3:28pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

It's just a word....there are several other words.....including scared and tentative

Bottom line........it won't matter a damn in a few weeks because he will have another KO win to his record...

He very well could get the win and very well could get the ko but iv no idea why you think this fight is Fury cashing out,

Id imagine you like to put the slant on it cause your a big AJ fan and many times have said you dislike Fury as a man and think he made up the whole mental health problems, and don't think he is a good fighter,

Since AJ made excuses not to take the fight you can't deal with Fury just wants to try his hand against the best isn't afraid of a loss and doesn't make excuses so you put the whole he is only taking the fight for the money slant on it,

Sweet.Science · 12-11-2018 3:31pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

It's just a word....there are several other words.....including scared and tentative

Bottom line........it won't matter a damn in a few weeks because he will have another KO win to his record...

I really dont know how you can be so confident . Yes he has a great KO record and does have serious power. However, he showed his is a very limited boxer against Ortiz. And thats a 60 year old Ortiz who just stood in front of him

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 3:44pm

Draw

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I really dont know how you can be so confident . Yes he has a great KO record and does have serious power. However, he showed his is a very limited boxer against Ortiz. And thats a 60 year old Ortiz who just stood in front of him

I think he is fair enough to predict Wilder may KO Fury as he has everyone else ,Remember Fury has been out a long time , we don't know what we will get from him

But to say Fury is cashing out implies he took the fight for money and knows he has no chance is wrong, Fury 100% thinks he can win this, This isn't about money to him ,

Sweet.Science · 12-11-2018 3:46pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think he is fair enough to predict Wilder may KO Fury as he has everyone else ,Remember Fury has been out a long time , we don't know what we will get from him

But to say Fury is cashing out implies he took the fight for money and knows he has no chance is wrong, Fury 100% thinks he can win this, This isn't about money to him ,

Im sure he thinks he can win . Every boxer convinces themselves of that . I do think he may have been forced to take the fight quicker than he liked.

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 3:51pm

Draw

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Im sure he thinks he can win . Every boxer convinces themselves of that . I do think he may have been forced to take the fight quicker than he liked.

What makes you think he took it quicker than he wold have liked ?
I don't think Fury is man who would be pushed into a corner to fight when he doesn't want to

Sweet.Science · 12-11-2018 3:52pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What makes you think he took it quicker than he wold have liked ?
I don't think Fury is man who would be pushed into a corner to fight when he doesn't want to

I think he most certainly can be pushed into a corner and told who he is fighting

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 3:58pm

Draw

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I think he most certainly can be pushed into a corner and told who he is fighting

By who Warren ?
,

I understand fighters can get feel obliged to promoters and sponsor's and the public and have to take fights they don't always really want

But my personally view of Fury would be he doesn't really seem to care about his media image, fans opinion or making loads of money so id always thought he'd only fight who he wanted when he wanted

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 3:59pm

Draw

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I think he most certainly can be pushed into a corner and told who he is fighting

didn't Warren say he would have liked Fury to fight a couple more , so who's pushing him into fights ? Your not going down the whole MTK nonsense that someone once said on twitter ?

Sweet.Science · 12-11-2018 4:00pm

Draw

By MTK.

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 4:03pm

Draw

Sweet.Science wrote: »

By MTK.

I thought you where heading that way,
What would be the base of them forcing him into the fight ? over money issues ?
I can't see it think its people adding 2+2 and getting 15

walshb · 12-11-2018 4:22pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

He very well could get the win and very well could get the ko but iv no idea why you think this fight is Fury cashing out,

For "this fight" he's cashing out.....

Or he will cash out.....not saying that's him finished, just that he is having a go now to make money and hoping for the best.

He will get clearly knocked out.....

What he does after the loss only he knows, but form has told us what he is likely to do....

He could come back stronger or he could go off on another mad one....

walshb · 12-11-2018 4:24pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Since AJ made excuses not to take the fight you can't deal with Fury just wants to try his hand against the best isn't afraid of a loss and doesn't make excuses so you put the whole he is only taking the fight for the money slant on it,

Not sure what this means....

I am delighted Fury has accepted the fight. I am one who has always championed the top fighters facing each other...

I never said the only reason he is taking the fight is for money. But, of course, money is a huge factor for all boxers and sportsmen....

Sweet.Science · 12-11-2018 5:30pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

For "this fight" he's cashing out.....

Or he will cash out.....not saying that's him finished, just that he is having a go now to make money and hoping for the best.

He will get clearly knocked out.....

What he does after the loss only he knows, but form has told us what he is likely to do....

He could come back stronger or he could go off on another mad one....

Im trying to figure out why you are so sure of a knock out . Yes Fury is coming back from a long lay off . But Wilder is hugely limited

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 5:34pm

Draw

To be fair to Walshy Wilder has stopped everyone he has fought to date so why wouldn't he be confident in a KO for Wilder, ?

It may not happen but it is still the most likely outcome in the fight,

walshb · 12-11-2018 6:16pm

Wilder Points

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Im trying to figure out why you are so sure of a knock out . Yes Fury is coming back from a long lay off . But Wilder is hugely limited

What?

One man has almost a perfect KO record

The other man is past his best, and has been dropped and wobbled by far lesser punchers....He is also not that difficult to hit, despite what some may think.

That should tell you why I am so confident..

The poll on here also sees many others going for a Wilder KO.

nacho libre · 12-11-2018 8:01pm

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

It's just a word....there are several other words.....including scared and tentative

Bottom line........it won't matter a damn in a few weeks because he will have another KO win to his record...

I think he will ko Fury, but i would not be as confident as you about it. I think Fury does not have the power to earn Wilder's respect. I really expect Wilder to be less apprehensive in this fight as a consequence.
As well as that Fury just isn't good enough yet to go 12 rounds without his chin being tested at some point. He may never be as good as the man who showed up in Germany three years ago.

yourdeadwright · 13-11-2018 10:24am

Draw

nacho libre wrote: »

I think he will ko Fury, but i would not be as confident as you about it. I think Fury does not have the power to earn Wilder's respect. I really expect Wilder to be less apprehensive in this fight as a consequence.
As well as that Fury just isn't good enough yet to go 12 rounds without his chin being tested at some point. He may never be as good as the man who showed up in Germany three years ago.

Iv said from day one the whole fights rest's on can Fury hit Wilder hard enough to gain his respect, If he can he has a big chance if not he is doomed,

Even thought Fury isn't a power puncher he has been clever enough to catch people using there own momentum to hurt them , If he does catch you , you don't have the time in the ring to figure out if its his power or your own fault so it automatically gains your respect,

He will be hoping to catch Wilder on his way in in the early rounds to get Wilder to back up and think more,

Sweet.Science · 13-11-2018 11:05am

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

To be fair to Walshy Wilder has stopped everyone he has fought to date so why wouldn't he be confident in a KO for Wilder, ?

It may not happen but it is still the most likely outcome in the fight,

And Fury has beaten everyone he has fought. So is that not the most likely outcome ?

If Fury is back to his old self he wins this showboating for 12 rounds. Its impossible to know if he is though

walshb · 13-11-2018 12:35pm

Wilder Points

Sweet.Science wrote: »

And Fury has beaten everyone he has fought. So is that not the most likely outcome ?

If Fury is back to his old self he wins this showboating for 12 rounds. Its impossible to know if he is though

And Wilder has knocked out men who have had perfect records....

We could go on and on on this.....

Wilder's KO percentage is almost 100 percent. Fury is not the man he was a few years ago, and if you watch some of his fights, he has been dropped and hurt and wobbled by far lesser punchers....

The safest bet is the KO, hence my confidence.

walshb · 13-11-2018 12:37pm

Wilder Points

Sweet.Science wrote: »

If Fury is back to his old self he wins this showboating for 12 rounds. Its impossible to know if he is though

How's that?

I think two things: People overrating Fury's boxing skills and underrating Wilder's, or at least underrating Wilder's ability to box with and be competitive with Fury is a boxing match.

Fury ain't going to win on points either.....

Sweet.Science · 13-11-2018 12:37pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

And Wilder has knocked out men who have had perfect records....

We could go on and on on this.....

Wilder's KO percentage is almost 100 percent. Fury is not the man he was a few years ago, and if you watch some of his fights, he has been dropped and hurt and wobbled by far lesser punchers....

The safest bet is the KO, hence my confidence.

I agree we we could go on and on

Wilder has knocked out cans bar a 60 year old Ortiz . And the only reason that happened was Ortiz was completely gassed.

The only way i see Wilder winning by KO is if Fury is a shell of his former self. Which could well happen

Sweet.Science · 13-11-2018 12:37pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

How's that?

I think two things: People overrating Fury's boxing skills and underrating Wilder's, or at least underrating Wilder's ability to box with and be competitive with Fury is a boxing match.

Fury ain't going to win on points either.....

I think saying Wilder has poor boxing skills is overrating them . Personal opinion

Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

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