RTE Climate change program What Planet Are You On?

lalababa · 17-11-2019 2:30pm

Didn't see any rte stuff so can't possibly comment.
But all these twoing and frowing arguments about little things like avocados and eating meat are worthless. There will always be extremists on both sides, eg extreme vegans v. climate change deniers.
The general thing is that society's habits will have to drastically change,
to more sustainable models.
Energy production & consumption,
Waste production & waste recycling,
Pollution & habitat degradation.

lalababa · 17-11-2019 3:10pm

Sorry if my last post seems condescendingðŸŒž
Also if they farming community got behind in both voice and vote in support of the alternatives to veganism pushing climate change action. Such as
Wind & solar power action.
Planting a s**t load of trees.
Electric vehicles and proper public transport in the cities.
And other stuff......that would push the 'lets get rid of a s**t load of ruminants to save the planet' agenda out of the limelight.
That said, we could do with a few less cattle around the place..it might bring up the prices.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 17-11-2019 4:01pm

An interesting graphic on different sources of GHGs.
https://twitter.com/countcarbon/status/1188769124585017346?s=19

emaherx · 17-11-2019 4:56pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Thank you, that's interesting, I'm still convinced that we re probably better off moving our cars towards electric, but I wonder, what percentage of citizens will actually be able to afford it, my gut is telling me, a large proportion simply won't be able to, particularly if current trends remain, i.e rising costs of living, particularly in relation to housing/accommodation etc. Speaking of nuclear, I'm also not convinced that renewables can fill the gap of our power needs, I think we should be also considering nuclear, but good luck with that one in ireland.

Not sure electric is the complete answer, not with current battery technology. There is lots of environmental and human abuse in the sourcing of raw materials.

There are lots of alternatives to current fossil fuel used for vehicles. Hydrogen/fuel cells, bio methane and plant oil and many more. We would probably be better off with a mix of technologies or we could end up stretching another of the Earth's finite resources. Lithium and Cobalt for batteries could be the new oil crisis.

Timmaay · 17-11-2019 4:58pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Speaking of nuclear, I'm also not convinced that renewables can fill the gap of our power needs, I think we should be also considering nuclear, but good luck with that one in ireland.

Ireland will start receiving alot more nuclear generated electricity with another grid connector between Ireland and France just announced (however France will also receive wind generated electricity from Ireland when it's windy here!), worldwide China and India are still building more uranium nuclear reactors, however alongside this significant research is going into thorium nuclear power as a medium term solution in both these countries (thorium has alot less nuclear waste than uranium, and is more abundant), the long term holy grail in future energy generation is nuclear fusion, despite the running joke being this is only 30 years away for each of the last like 50years, they are now making significant progress on a new experiment fusion plant in the south of France at the minute.

Wanderer78 · 17-11-2019 4:59pm

emaherx wrote: »

Not sure electric is the complete answer, not with current battery technology. There is lots of environmental and human abuse in the sourcing of raw materials.

There are lots of alternatives to current fossil fuel used for vehicles. Hydrogen/fuel cells, bio methane and plant oil and many more. We would probably be better off with a mix of technologies or we could end up stretching another of the Earth's finite resources. Lithium and Cobalt for batteries could be the new oil crisis.

yea id completely agree, as many alternatives to fossil fuels should be investigated, raw material mining certainly is fraught with questionably ethical practices, it always has been

Wanderer78 · 17-11-2019 5:01pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Ireland will start receiving alot more nuclear generated electricity with another grid connector between Ireland and France just announced (however France will also receive wind generated electricity from Ireland when it's windy here!), worldwide China and India are still building more uranium nuclear reactors, however alongside this significant research is going into thorium nuclear power as a medium term solution in both these countries (thorium has alot less nuclear waste than uranium, and is more abundant), the long term holy grail in future energy generation is nuclear fusion, despite the running joke being this is only 30 years away for each of the last like 50years, they are now making significant progress on a new experiment fusion plant in the south of France at the minute.

im aware of thorium research, its actually what i was eluding to earlier

high_king · 17-11-2019 5:01pm

emaherx wrote: »

Not sure electric is the complete answer, not with current battery technology. There is lots of environmental and human abuse in the sourcing of raw materials.

Exactly buying 40 grand cars every couple of years is hardly environmentally friendly, and if every switched to electric cars we'd need either more fossil fueled plants or nuclear. It's as stupid as the Green Party telling us all that low Co2 diesel cars were the way to go back in 2008.

bogman_bass · 18-11-2019 9:25pm

Odelay wrote: »

I’d give up my right hand before I’d lose the dishwasher.

Moved into a new house with the girlfriend 4 months ago. Haven’t used the dishwasher yet

Welding Rod · 18-11-2019 9:31pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Moved into a new house with the girlfriend 4 months ago. Haven’t used the dishwasher yet

What will you do when she stops doing the wash up?

riffmongous · 19-11-2019 3:36pm

I didn't see the original program but there was a follow-up radio program up on RTE today, far too short unfortunately

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2019/1115/1091221-climate-and-food-can-dietary-changes-improve-the-environment/

SuperTortoise · 19-11-2019 8:34pm

Caught 10 mins of this last week could'nt watch any more, there's such an obvious bias within RTE, no balance at all, cows are to blame no mention of how much carbon is sequestered in our land every year though.

einn32 · 19-11-2019 9:26pm

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Caught 10 mins of this last week could'nt watch any more, there's such an obvious bias within RTE, no balance at all, cows are to blame no mention of how much carbon is sequestered in our land every year though.

I've tried to limit my listening and viewing of RTE the last while and I feel better off!

Say my name · 19-11-2019 9:44pm

einn32 wrote: »

I've tried to limit my listening and viewing of RTE the last while and I feel better off!

I honestly think they've become a shock watch to see if they are still relevant anymore. The reaction that follows they use as a guide on how many people watch it anymore.
They really are stuffed with all the online competition.

The only national media I'd regularly follow would be newstalk radio after that it's online stuff.

Dakota Dan · 19-11-2019 11:12pm

Over on BBC you have that Liz Bonnin demonising meat, one UK farmer already after calling her out on it. I wonder what's the impact of pumping up your lips.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/showbiz/irish-showbiz/liz-bonnin-meatathreat-toourplanet-bbc-20909835

toleratethis · 20-11-2019 1:17pm

einn32 wrote: »

I've tried to limit my listening and viewing of RTE the last while and I feel better off!

Podcasts for the van here.

Tablet/phone + internet or reading for at home.

Great for blood pressure.

davidk1394 · 21-11-2019 12:25pm

Debate on radio 1 now

einn32 · 21-11-2019 5:48pm

toleratethis wrote: »

Podcasts for the van here.

Tablet/phone + internet or reading for at home.

Great for blood pressure.

Spotify here during the day at work. Audiobooks too are great. YouTube in the evenings usually instead of the TV. I actually learn things which are useful from the farming channels and mechanic channels.

patsy_mccabe · 21-11-2019 6:07pm

einn32 wrote: »

I've tried to limit my listening and viewing of RTE the last while and I feel better off!

If it wasn't for their GAA coverage and other limited sport coverage, I don't think I'd watch it either.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 22-11-2019 11:44am

You can register your complaint below.
https://twitter.com/gingerbreadmiss/status/1197580895005421572?s=19

Bass Reeves · 08-12-2019 3:38pm

For those who want a real understanding of climate change. It should be made mandatory reading before anyone want to BS about climate change.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/colm-mccarthy-will-2019-be-the-turning-point-on-climate-38763586.html

RandomViewer · 11-10-2020 6:42pm

Don't wash, eat from the bins, what fxxxing planet is RTE on?

mgn · 11-10-2020 7:19pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Don't wash, eat from the bins, what fxxxing planet is RTE on?

A lot of the Greens and their voters look like the eat from bins by the state of some of them.

AndrewJRenko · 11-10-2020 7:43pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Don't wash, eat from the bins, what fxxxing planet is RTE on?

Were you watching a different show perhaps?

NcdJd · 11-10-2020 8:02pm

Tabloid TV at its finest. People will do anything for 5 grand.

blue5000 · 11-10-2020 10:26pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Tabloid TV at its finest. People will do anything for 5 grand.

2.5 grand:o

Welding Rod · 12-10-2020 11:13am

There was a fine healthy shine on the lad from Africa the first week of the show. No surprise there with all the steak he was eating.
I noticed last night the shine is nearly gone off him. No surprise there either with the change in his diet. The poor lad will be gone to nothing if he keeps that new regime up too long.

alps · 12-10-2020 12:01pm

Welding Rod wrote: »

There was a fine healthy shine on the lad from Africa the first week of the show. No surprise there with all the steak he was eating.
I noticed last night the shine is nearly gone off him. No surprise there either with the change in his diet. The poor lad will be gone to nothing if he keeps that new regime up too long.

Find him on facebook or twitter. Bet you anything that he'll be on those platforms in a few weeks warning people to keep up the meat eating...

RandomViewer · 12-10-2020 5:21pm

blue5000 wrote: »

2.5 grand:o

RTE were a bit cheap there,

endainoz · 12-10-2020 6:00pm

I tuned out as soon as the meat bashing started. Does anyone not argue that they get their meat from sustainable resources? Like from a farmers market butcher? My guess is no and they assume it's all supermarket stuff provided by Larry.

I'm also going to assume that they don't take the carbon sinks from land into account either.

AndrewJRenko · 12-10-2020 6:06pm

alps wrote: »

Find him on facebook or twitter. Bet you anything that he'll be on those platforms in a few weeks warning people to keep up the meat eating...

How much do you bet?

RandomViewer · 12-10-2020 6:06pm

endainoz wrote: »

I tuned out as soon as the meat bashing started. Does anyone not argue that they get their meat from sustainable resources? Like from a farmers market butcher? My guess is no and they assume it's all supermarket stuff provided by Larry.

I'm also going to assume that they don't take the carbon sinks from land into account either.

They gave out to the ones with the well for giving water to cattle from it.

Lime Tree Farm · 12-10-2020 6:13pm

Not even one of these recipes is tempting, let alone offering them to children. Be a lot of upset tummies trying to digest this concoction. Some thing masquerading as a burger - the last recipe

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2019/1112/1090327-your-seven-day-planetary-diet/

alps · 12-10-2020 6:16pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How much do you bet?

A juicy steak sandwich and a pint of Murphys....

KaneToad · 12-10-2020 6:18pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Not even one of these recipes is tempting, let alone offering them to children. Be a lot of upset tummies trying to digest this concoction. Some thing masquerading as a burger - the last recipe

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2019/1112/1090327-your-seven-day-planetary-diet/

I disagree, lots of very palatable food there.

The bias in this programme is stunning nonetheless.

AndrewJRenko · 12-10-2020 6:19pm

alps wrote: »

A juicy steak sandwich and a pint of Murphys....

So €20 then? You're on. If you can find evidence along the lines you predicted within three months, I'll pay €20 to a charity of your choosing. If you can't, you'll pay €20 to a charity I nominate - deal?

RandomViewer · 12-10-2020 6:21pm

alps wrote: »

A juicy steak sandwich and a pint of Murphys....

I would say he cleared the hot food counter at the first petrol station on the road home

alps · 12-10-2020 6:31pm

endainoz wrote: »

I'm also going to assume that they don't take the carbon sinks from land into account either.

They do not take carbon sequestration of any kind into account. Nor do they take the CO2 utilised by the photosynthesis process in grass growth into account (the only source of Carbon in grass fed cattle, that subsequently is emitted as CH4)

They used an emissions guide that stated beef has a carbon footprint of 40kgCO2eq/kg while Bord Bia have measured the Irish equivalent at 12kgCO2eq/kg........and that's without allowing for CO2 absorption..

I see NZ are ahead of us and have found that some beef systems are not only Carbon neutral but in fact 118% carbon absorbers

Bass Reeves · 12-10-2020 6:59pm

KaneToad wrote: »

I disagree, lots of very palatable food there.

The bias in this programme is stunning nonetheless.

That soya milk must be terrible s4ite. A tablespoon of maple syrup and four teaspoons of honey. I make mine with milk put a bit if fruit in it and that it in the porridge to make it edible. Gave up looking at there recipes and food plan after that. Had a burger wrapped with bacon with cheddar cheese and onions for dinner this evening with a few homemade wedges again with cheese on them. Glass of Ardfert milk with it( it pasteurised not homogenised).

alps · 12-10-2020 7:12pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So €20 then? You're on. If you can find evidence along the lines you predicted within three months, I'll pay €20 to a charity of your choosing. If you can't, you'll pay €20 to a charity I nominate - deal?

You're on....sincerely hope we can find a nice eatery open in 3 months..

Mouth watering now..

Lime Tree Farm · 12-10-2020 7:32pm

KaneToad wrote: »

I disagree, lots of very palatable food there.

The bias in this programme is stunning nonetheless.

In fairness to you I went back over the recipes, the word alternative is used 30 times, without telling you what is in the alternatives.

Donegalforever · 12-10-2020 7:55pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Not even one of these recipes is tempting, let alone offering them to children. Be a lot of upset tummies trying to digest this concoction. Some thing masquerading as a burger - the last recipe

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2019/1112/1090327-your-seven-day-planetary-diet/

Take plenty "of no notice"
If some want to eat that type of concoction good luck to them, for they will need it.

NcdJd · 12-10-2020 8:15pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Not even one of these recipes is tempting, let alone offering them to children. Be a lot of upset tummies trying to digest this concoction. Some thing masquerading as a burger - the last recipe

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2019/1112/1090327-your-seven-day-planetary-diet/

You'd want to have the septic tank cleaned out before starting that diet. Only one day of the seven has spuds in it. Shameful. Nothing about the methane emitted from rice production or the fact that most of the ingredients are not grown locally in the country.

A lot of food consumed. I only have two meals a day but I suppose you'd need three of those dishes to feel full.

Lime Tree Farm · 12-10-2020 8:47pm

NcdJd wrote: »

You'd want to have the septic tank cleaned out before starting that diet. Only one day of the seven has spuds in it. Shameful. Nothing about the methane emitted from rice production or the fact that most of the ingredients are not grown locally in the country.

A lot of food consumed. I only have two meals a day but I suppose you'd need three of those dishes to feel full.

You would be "full of wind and piss, like a Swiss mountain goat" after consuming that lot.

NcdJd · 12-10-2020 9:01pm

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

You would be "full of wind and piss, like a Swiss mountain goat" after consuming that lot.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for trying something new limetree but it strikes me that there looks to be are larger volume of food being consumed there with very high mileage, for the sake of avoiding meat based protein which Ireland produces to a very high standard.

I really at this stage wouldn't care if RTE was canned altogether. People have enough bills to pay.

12-10-2020 10:38pm

I wonder will anyone ever do a study on this media groupthink. I find it fascinating.

Waffletraktor · 12-10-2020 10:44pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Don't get me wrong I'm all for trying something new limetree but it strikes me that there looks to be are larger volume of food being consumed there with very high mileage, for the sake of avoiding meat based protein which Ireland produces to a very high standard.

I really at this stage wouldn't care if RTE was canned altogether. People have enough bills to pay.

Any environmentaly focused nutritionist that requires the 12 months of summer diet rather than being able conjure something from the locally seasonally available fruits and veg knows fook all anyway other than re hashing the same peddled nonsense you get.

Dakota Dan · 13-10-2020 9:57am

Between this and Duncan carpenter cum eco warrior Stewart RTE are definitely gone off the rails.

emaherx · 13-10-2020 12:39pm

The Irish times on the anti-animal farming bandwaggon too.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/like-it-or-not-climate-change-will-make-everyone-change-their-lives-1.4376743

Apparently electric cars and oat milk are the future.

_Brian · 13-10-2020 12:46pm

emaherx wrote: »

The Irish times on the anti-animal farming bandwaggon too.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/like-it-or-not-climate-change-will-make-everyone-change-their-lives-1.4376743

Apparently electric cars and oat milk are the future.

There’s allot to like though.

According to that article I’m getting a cycle path to town here in rural cavan AND public transport passing my house so I don’t have to bring my car. When I’ve these things I’ll consider to eat less beef and might try oat milk. But I’ll wait for the promised cycle path and public transport first.

RTE Climate change program What Planet Are You On?

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