RTE Climate change program What Planet Are You On?

freshpopcorn

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

mgn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

This climate change agenda 24/7 with RTE is starting to get tiresome.
It will get to a stage where it will be like Brexit in the UK, people will get sick of it and switch off.

Mooooo

mgn wrote: »

This climate change agenda 24/7 with RTE is starting to get tiresome.
It will get to a stage where it will be like Brexit in the UK, people will get sick of it and switch off.

The mother has done that any programme with either she just changes over she's so sick of it being on

blue5000

I watched it alright, I know one of the judges. That vegan from Oxford university got way too much air time to push his own agenda IMHO.

What I got from the programme though was that it was amazing how much they were able to cut back on water use, around 1000L less per week. I see my OH rinsing everything before it goes in the dishwasher.

I'd be a bit concerned about ppl being recommended to use the tumble dryer at night, they are a fire hazard if the lint isn't kept clear.

Capra

mgn wrote: »

This climate change agenda 24/7 with RTE is starting to get tiresome.
It will get to a stage where it will be like Brexit in the UK, people will get sick of it and switch off.

Just have a look at the RTE homepage right now. Wall to wall coverage of the children's recommendations on climate change...as it has been all week. It's truly insane stuff.

Who gives a fig about what the most tedious children from 150 schools around the country want? Their lack of life knowledge and experience, added to their susceptability to peer pressure makes their opinions totally meaningless. You know exactly what type of know it all teenager was present at that thing today too.

Limestone Cowboy

blue5000 wrote: »

I watched it alright, I know one of the judges. That vegan from Oxford university got way too much air time to push his own agenda IMHO.

What I got from the programme though was that it was amazing how much they were able to cut back on water use, around 1000L less per week. I see my OH rinsing everything before it goes in the dishwasher.

I'd be a bit concerned about ppl being recommended to use the tumble dryer at night, they are a fire hazard if the lint isn't kept clear.

We bought a new one 6 months ago. Was on for 5 minutes and smoke started bellowing out of it. Frightened the bejaysus out of me. No was would I leave one on at night.

Lady Haywire

I was actually horrified seeing the programme. It goes against everything we're trying to show the world- that the grass based milk/dairy/beef is so much better for the environment & biodiversity than feedlots in US etc.
We need something like a traffic light sticker for foods, red for lots of travel, orange for medium & green for local. Might shock some folks into thinking more wisely.
I've actually never had or used a tumbledryer or dishwasher, do I get points for that :D

mgn

Capra wrote: »

Just have a look at the RTE homepage right now. Wall to wall coverage of the children's recommendations on climate change...as it has been all week. It's truly insane stuff.

Who gives a fig about what the most tedious children from 150 schools around the country want? Their lack of life knowledge and experience, added to their susceptability to peer pressure makes their opinions totally meaningless. You know exactly what type of know it all teenager was present at that thing today too.

The usual teachers pets reading from a script that the teachers wrote for them.

Odelay

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I was actually horrified seeing the programme. It goes against everything we're trying to show the world- that the grass based milk/dairy/beef is so much better for the environment & biodiversity than feedlots in US etc.
We need something like a traffic light sticker for foods, red for lots of travel, orange for medium & green for local. Might shock some folks into thinking more wisely.
I've actually never had or used a tumbledryer or dishwasher, do I get points for that :D

I’d give up my right hand before I’d lose the dishwasher.

Odelay

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

Absolutely was a push for a vegan diet. No warmings about possible negative health effects.

Lady Haywire

Odelay wrote: »

I’d give up my right hand before I’d lose the dishwasher.

Basin here, which then goes out onto the plants. Food residue = fertiliser

Jurgen Klopp

Any mention about that carbon footprint of importing all these avocados via air and sea?

mgn

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Any mention about that carbon footprint of importing all these avocados via air and sea?

Are you joking, these clowns are not capable of thinking about things likes that.

Buford T. Justice XIX

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

I watched the first programme, well about half of it anyway, and even in that half the number of half truths and outright misconceptions was turning from funny to bizarre.

If you accept that Agriculture, and that includes vegan foods as well, accounts for approx 30% of Irish emissions, then you also have to accept that that same 30% is a gross measure of emissions because the basic building block of organic matter produced by crops is carbon from CO2.

That CO2 is used to produce carbohydrates, fats and proteins which feed both humans and animals which also consume the inedible plants that humans can't process and the waste portions of crops that humans can't or won't eat.

The net emissions are where the focus needs to be on as Agriculture is the only carbon consumer left on the planet now that the oceans are saturated with CO2.

In 2 or 3 years time, the conversation will have changed to how Agriculture can be improved to soak up even more of the CO2 produced by western society and its excessive consumption

So, basically a big, huge MEH to RTE and its transparent attempts to narrate a direction instead of just reporting the truth and let people judge for themselves. The science is there but it's not trendy enough to report on:rolleyes:

wrangler

mgn wrote: »

Are you joking, these clowns are not capable of thinking about things likes that.

I wonder does anyone take it into account, if they did our shipping of beef to china would probably double/treble our carbon footprint........ is it like ignoring the footprint of air travel, do some industries get a bye

freshpopcorn

mgn wrote: »

The usual teachers pets reading from a script that the teachers wrote for them.

I saw one of the kids on TV during the week. They said they were ho.e schooled!

jaymla627

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Any mention about that carbon footprint of importing all these avocados via air and sea?

Water and the emptying of aquifers to grow all this fad vegan
through irrigation is something that never gets discussed, it will be some gallery when water runs out, and hey presto dairy and meat will be back in vogue, its going to be a waiting game to see out this vegan agenda, but then of course you have the fake meat side of it, but the truth about how dangerous this stuff actually is to eat is coming out

Gawddawggonnit

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've actually never had or used a tumbledryer or dishwasher, do I get points for that :D

I haven’t either, but it definitely deserves a basketful of points.

mgn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I saw one of the kids on TV during the week. They said they were ho.e schooled!

Probably pushing the kid into something the could never achieve in life themselfs.

bfa1509

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I saw one of the kids on TV during the week. They said they were ho.e schooled!

Living every teenage boy's dream :pac:

yosemitesam1

jaymla627 wrote: »

Water and the emptying of aquifers to grow all this fad vegan
through irrigation is something that never gets discussed, it will be some gallery when water runs out, and hey presto dairy and meat will be back in vogue, its going to be a waiting game to see out this vegan agenda, but then of course you have the fake meat side of it, but the truth about how dangerous this stuff actually is to eat is coming out

Firmly believe that red meat will be the superfood of the future. Diets high in red meat and low in carbs will be essential in combatting diabetes, autoimmune diseases etc going forward

freshpopcorn

bfa1509 wrote: »

Living every teenage boy's dream :pac:

To be fair I think the kid they may have had issues.
They were very unrelatable to tough. If I was a teenager they wouldn't have made me change my behaviour.

Buford T. Justice XIX

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Firmly believe that red meat will be the superfood of the future. Diets high in red meat and low in carbs will be essential in combatting diabetes, autoimmune diseases etc going forward

I've been reading up on ketolow carb diets that can reverse diabetes or, at the least, reduce dramatically the insulin dose needed for diabetics.

There's supposed to be some peer reviewed papers coming out early in the new year that display huge benefits for a large amount of the side effects experienced by diabetics who also need a lot of complementary meds to manage those side effects, including arthritis which would be glorious:)

Waffletraktor

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

the side effects experienced by diabetics who also need a lot of complementary meds to manage those side effects, including arthritis which would be glorious:)

Need to get into bee keeping.

davidk1394

The first night of the programme I thought to myself that I might learn a few tips on saving water, by the end of the first night I was going to put my foot through the television. Is the programme not supposed to be unbiased ? They may aswell put one of us on it and get everyone eating steak 3 times a day. You would also think they'd find a vegan in Ireland not have to bring one in from the UK, this makes it even more ridiculous. Is it even worth emailing the broadcast regulator ?

GrasstoMilk

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I watched the first programme, well about half of it anyway, and even in that half the number of half truths and outright misconceptions was turning from funny to bizarre.

If you accept that Agriculture, and that includes vegan foods as well, accounts for approx 30% of Irish emissions, then you also have to accept that that same 30% is a gross measure of emissions because the basic building block of organic matter produced by crops is carbon from CO2.

That CO2 is used to produce carbohydrates, fats and proteins which feed both humans and animals which also consume the inedible plants that humans can't process and the waste portions of crops that humans can't or won't eat.

The net emissions are where the focus needs to be on as Agriculture is the only carbon consumer left on the planet now that the oceans are saturated with CO2.

In 2 or 3 years time, the conversation will have changed to how Agriculture can be improved to soak up even more of the CO2 produced by western society and its excessive consumption

So, basically a big, huge MEH to RTE and its transparent attempts to narrate a direction instead of just reporting the truth and let people judge for themselves. The science is there but it's not trendy enough to report on:rolleyes:

At the ifa hustings the other night one farmer had worked out his farm operation only produces 30% of the carbon his farming area takes up, soneoneone else is using the other 70%, we should be getting paid for that 70% someone else is using was his point.

I says

Gave up worrying about all that scutter when I watched this years ago https://youtu.be/oYhCQv5tNsQ

GrasstoMilk

From the nuffield conference today

wrangler

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

At the ifa hustings the other night one farmer had worked out his farm operation only produces 30% of the carbon his farming area takes up, soneoneone else is using the other 70%, we should be getting paid for that 70% someone else is using was his point.

I asked the same question at a meeting myself years ago, government weren't allowing trading at the time and if they were farmers would have to be customers for carbon credits based on their enterprise...... don't know if it has changed since. Your friend would have to use half of his carbon credits to cover his own pollution

Buford T. Justice XIX

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

From the nuffield conference today

Again from Nuffield, Jerusalem Artichoke can store twice as much carbon as trees.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/nuffield-conference-alternative-crops-can-store-twice-as-much-carbon-as-trees-508928

yosemitesam1

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I've been reading up on ketolow carb diets that can reverse diabetes or, at the least, reduce dramatically the insulin dose needed for diabetics.

There's supposed to be some peer reviewed papers coming out early in the new year that display huge benefits for a large amount of the side effects experienced by diabetics who also need a lot of complementary meds to manage those side effects, including arthritis which would be glorious:)

Any sort of inflammatory issue is definitely worth trying it out for now and see how you go yourself. Just watch out introducing foods like nuts in large amounts as they mightn't agree with you.