RTE Climate change program What Planet Are You On?

freshpopcorn

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

mgn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

This climate change agenda 24/7 with RTE is starting to get tiresome.
It will get to a stage where it will be like Brexit in the UK, people will get sick of it and switch off.

Mooooo

mgn wrote: »

This climate change agenda 24/7 with RTE is starting to get tiresome.
It will get to a stage where it will be like Brexit in the UK, people will get sick of it and switch off.

The mother has done that any programme with either she just changes over she's so sick of it being on

blue5000

I watched it alright, I know one of the judges. That vegan from Oxford university got way too much air time to push his own agenda IMHO.

What I got from the programme though was that it was amazing how much they were able to cut back on water use, around 1000L less per week. I see my OH rinsing everything before it goes in the dishwasher.

I'd be a bit concerned about ppl being recommended to use the tumble dryer at night, they are a fire hazard if the lint isn't kept clear.

Capra

mgn wrote: »

This climate change agenda 24/7 with RTE is starting to get tiresome.
It will get to a stage where it will be like Brexit in the UK, people will get sick of it and switch off.

Just have a look at the RTE homepage right now. Wall to wall coverage of the children's recommendations on climate change...as it has been all week. It's truly insane stuff.

Who gives a fig about what the most tedious children from 150 schools around the country want? Their lack of life knowledge and experience, added to their susceptability to peer pressure makes their opinions totally meaningless. You know exactly what type of know it all teenager was present at that thing today too.

Limestone Cowboy

blue5000 wrote: »

I watched it alright, I know one of the judges. That vegan from Oxford university got way too much air time to push his own agenda IMHO.

What I got from the programme though was that it was amazing how much they were able to cut back on water use, around 1000L less per week. I see my OH rinsing everything before it goes in the dishwasher.

I'd be a bit concerned about ppl being recommended to use the tumble dryer at night, they are a fire hazard if the lint isn't kept clear.

We bought a new one 6 months ago. Was on for 5 minutes and smoke started bellowing out of it. Frightened the bejaysus out of me. No was would I leave one on at night.

Lady Haywire

I was actually horrified seeing the programme. It goes against everything we're trying to show the world- that the grass based milk/dairy/beef is so much better for the environment & biodiversity than feedlots in US etc.
We need something like a traffic light sticker for foods, red for lots of travel, orange for medium & green for local. Might shock some folks into thinking more wisely.
I've actually never had or used a tumbledryer or dishwasher, do I get points for that :D

mgn

Capra wrote: »

Just have a look at the RTE homepage right now. Wall to wall coverage of the children's recommendations on climate change...as it has been all week. It's truly insane stuff.

Who gives a fig about what the most tedious children from 150 schools around the country want? Their lack of life knowledge and experience, added to their susceptability to peer pressure makes their opinions totally meaningless. You know exactly what type of know it all teenager was present at that thing today too.

The usual teachers pets reading from a script that the teachers wrote for them.

Odelay

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I was actually horrified seeing the programme. It goes against everything we're trying to show the world- that the grass based milk/dairy/beef is so much better for the environment & biodiversity than feedlots in US etc.
We need something like a traffic light sticker for foods, red for lots of travel, orange for medium & green for local. Might shock some folks into thinking more wisely.
I've actually never had or used a tumbledryer or dishwasher, do I get points for that :D

I’d give up my right hand before I’d lose the dishwasher.

Odelay

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

Absolutely was a push for a vegan diet. No warmings about possible negative health effects.

Lady Haywire

Odelay wrote: »

I’d give up my right hand before I’d lose the dishwasher.

Basin here, which then goes out onto the plants. Food residue = fertiliser

Jurgen Klopp

Any mention about that carbon footprint of importing all these avocados via air and sea?

mgn

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Any mention about that carbon footprint of importing all these avocados via air and sea?

Are you joking, these clowns are not capable of thinking about things likes that.

Buford T. Justice XIX

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I noticed this last night but I didn't watch much of the program.
Basically some guy advising people to give up cheese produced in Ireland and replace it with avocados!
Some people were saying they were essentially trying to push a vegan diet.

Did anybody here see it or have any opinions on it?

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/rt-show-sparks-farmer-backlash-508689

I watched the first programme, well about half of it anyway, and even in that half the number of half truths and outright misconceptions was turning from funny to bizarre.

If you accept that Agriculture, and that includes vegan foods as well, accounts for approx 30% of Irish emissions, then you also have to accept that that same 30% is a gross measure of emissions because the basic building block of organic matter produced by crops is carbon from CO2.

That CO2 is used to produce carbohydrates, fats and proteins which feed both humans and animals which also consume the inedible plants that humans can't process and the waste portions of crops that humans can't or won't eat.

The net emissions are where the focus needs to be on as Agriculture is the only carbon consumer left on the planet now that the oceans are saturated with CO2.

In 2 or 3 years time, the conversation will have changed to how Agriculture can be improved to soak up even more of the CO2 produced by western society and its excessive consumption

So, basically a big, huge MEH to RTE and its transparent attempts to narrate a direction instead of just reporting the truth and let people judge for themselves. The science is there but it's not trendy enough to report on:rolleyes:

wrangler

mgn wrote: »

Are you joking, these clowns are not capable of thinking about things likes that.

I wonder does anyone take it into account, if they did our shipping of beef to china would probably double/treble our carbon footprint........ is it like ignoring the footprint of air travel, do some industries get a bye

freshpopcorn

mgn wrote: »

The usual teachers pets reading from a script that the teachers wrote for them.

I saw one of the kids on TV during the week. They said they were ho.e schooled!

jaymla627

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Any mention about that carbon footprint of importing all these avocados via air and sea?

Water and the emptying of aquifers to grow all this fad vegan
through irrigation is something that never gets discussed, it will be some gallery when water runs out, and hey presto dairy and meat will be back in vogue, its going to be a waiting game to see out this vegan agenda, but then of course you have the fake meat side of it, but the truth about how dangerous this stuff actually is to eat is coming out

Gawddawggonnit

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've actually never had or used a tumbledryer or dishwasher, do I get points for that :D

I haven’t either, but it definitely deserves a basketful of points.

mgn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I saw one of the kids on TV during the week. They said they were ho.e schooled!

Probably pushing the kid into something the could never achieve in life themselfs.

bfa1509

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I saw one of the kids on TV during the week. They said they were ho.e schooled!

Living every teenage boy's dream :pac:

yosemitesam1

jaymla627 wrote: »

Water and the emptying of aquifers to grow all this fad vegan
through irrigation is something that never gets discussed, it will be some gallery when water runs out, and hey presto dairy and meat will be back in vogue, its going to be a waiting game to see out this vegan agenda, but then of course you have the fake meat side of it, but the truth about how dangerous this stuff actually is to eat is coming out

Firmly believe that red meat will be the superfood of the future. Diets high in red meat and low in carbs will be essential in combatting diabetes, autoimmune diseases etc going forward

freshpopcorn

bfa1509 wrote: »

Living every teenage boy's dream :pac:

To be fair I think the kid they may have had issues.
They were very unrelatable to tough. If I was a teenager they wouldn't have made me change my behaviour.

Buford T. Justice XIX

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Firmly believe that red meat will be the superfood of the future. Diets high in red meat and low in carbs will be essential in combatting diabetes, autoimmune diseases etc going forward

I've been reading up on ketolow carb diets that can reverse diabetes or, at the least, reduce dramatically the insulin dose needed for diabetics.

There's supposed to be some peer reviewed papers coming out early in the new year that display huge benefits for a large amount of the side effects experienced by diabetics who also need a lot of complementary meds to manage those side effects, including arthritis which would be glorious:)

Waffletraktor

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

the side effects experienced by diabetics who also need a lot of complementary meds to manage those side effects, including arthritis which would be glorious:)

Need to get into bee keeping.

davidk1394

The first night of the programme I thought to myself that I might learn a few tips on saving water, by the end of the first night I was going to put my foot through the television. Is the programme not supposed to be unbiased ? They may aswell put one of us on it and get everyone eating steak 3 times a day. You would also think they'd find a vegan in Ireland not have to bring one in from the UK, this makes it even more ridiculous. Is it even worth emailing the broadcast regulator ?

GrasstoMilk

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I watched the first programme, well about half of it anyway, and even in that half the number of half truths and outright misconceptions was turning from funny to bizarre.

If you accept that Agriculture, and that includes vegan foods as well, accounts for approx 30% of Irish emissions, then you also have to accept that that same 30% is a gross measure of emissions because the basic building block of organic matter produced by crops is carbon from CO2.

That CO2 is used to produce carbohydrates, fats and proteins which feed both humans and animals which also consume the inedible plants that humans can't process and the waste portions of crops that humans can't or won't eat.

The net emissions are where the focus needs to be on as Agriculture is the only carbon consumer left on the planet now that the oceans are saturated with CO2.

In 2 or 3 years time, the conversation will have changed to how Agriculture can be improved to soak up even more of the CO2 produced by western society and its excessive consumption

So, basically a big, huge MEH to RTE and its transparent attempts to narrate a direction instead of just reporting the truth and let people judge for themselves. The science is there but it's not trendy enough to report on:rolleyes:

At the ifa hustings the other night one farmer had worked out his farm operation only produces 30% of the carbon his farming area takes up, soneoneone else is using the other 70%, we should be getting paid for that 70% someone else is using was his point.

I says

Gave up worrying about all that scutter when I watched this years ago https://youtu.be/oYhCQv5tNsQ

GrasstoMilk

From the nuffield conference today

wrangler

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

At the ifa hustings the other night one farmer had worked out his farm operation only produces 30% of the carbon his farming area takes up, soneoneone else is using the other 70%, we should be getting paid for that 70% someone else is using was his point.

I asked the same question at a meeting myself years ago, government weren't allowing trading at the time and if they were farmers would have to be customers for carbon credits based on their enterprise...... don't know if it has changed since. Your friend would have to use half of his carbon credits to cover his own pollution

Buford T. Justice XIX

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

From the nuffield conference today

Again from Nuffield, Jerusalem Artichoke can store twice as much carbon as trees.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/nuffield-conference-alternative-crops-can-store-twice-as-much-carbon-as-trees-508928

yosemitesam1

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

I've been reading up on ketolow carb diets that can reverse diabetes or, at the least, reduce dramatically the insulin dose needed for diabetics.

There's supposed to be some peer reviewed papers coming out early in the new year that display huge benefits for a large amount of the side effects experienced by diabetics who also need a lot of complementary meds to manage those side effects, including arthritis which would be glorious:)

Any sort of inflammatory issue is definitely worth trying it out for now and see how you go yourself. Just watch out introducing foods like nuts in large amounts as they mightn't agree with you.

mf240

Flicked it on for a minute one evening and there was a vegan "nutritionist" on it, and he had the look of a lad that go no beastings.

wrangler

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Again from Nuffield, Jerusalem Artichoke can store twice as much carbon as trees.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/nuffield-conference-alternative-crops-can-store-twice-as-much-carbon-as-trees-508928

I was listtening to a radio program one night last week where a guy said that there's such a massive release of carbon at clearfell that it neutralises the advantage of trees over their lifetime in other words...... you'd be as far on if you sowed nothing and that's exactly the way the guy said it too

Grueller

mf240 wrote: »

he had the look of a lad that go no beastings.

Laughed more than I should have at that

patsy_mccabe

I says wrote: »

Gave up worrying about all that scutter when I watched this years ago https://youtu.be/oYhCQv5tNsQ

That's a great video. Well worth watching.

Genghis Cant

Came across this earlier. I think it summed it up nicely!

mgn

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Came across this earlier. I think it summed it up nicely!

Brilliant.

wrangler

Ten Pin wrote: »

Each of the participating families were paid 2k....who wouldn't nod, smile and do whatever you're told by Mr No-Red-Meat, Mr Unattended-Fire-Hazard-Tumble-Drier, Mr No-Thats-Not-In-The-Right-F*kin-Recycling-Bin and Ms Wash-Yourself-With-An-Egg-Cup-Of-Water.

And yer man burning the plastic packaging in the fireplace was staged, he knew the cameras were there and still did it, what planet is he on...

I know I'd do the same , 90% of the world is ignoring Climate change, why bother when billions are destroying the environment.
Kids on the late late saying they walk to school one day a week, jasus we walked every day, if they can walk one day they can walk every day, those kids are the cannon fodder of climate change and they're ignoring it, so why bother

Say my name

wrangler wrote: »

I was listtening to a radio program one night last week where a guy said that there's such a massive release of carbon at clearfell that it neutralises the advantage of trees over their lifetime in other words...... you'd be as far on if you sowed nothing and that's exactly the way the guy said it too

It's just the fact that the trees store the carbon in their timber and just that physical bulk of it there. What happens to the timber after is the next thing if that carbon gets stored or not.

In the soil it seems it's fungi are the main drivers in carbon storage in soils. If you've soil that is conducive for good mycellium growth you'll start to produce the humus and you'll have the self sustaining and growing soil.

Go the other way with no mycellium and you'll have a tight compacted no oxygen soil that doesn't make and store the carbon and needs intervention for plant growth.

Fungi once grew to species that were over 20ft tall. But got wise to the fact after plants came along that they'd let the plants do all that growing and form a symbiotic relationship with the plant to feed and be fed. However not all plants like fungi and some plants have been purposely bred to not make that good relationship.

Limestone Cowboy

wrangler wrote: »

I know I'd do the same , 90% of the world is ignoring Climate change, why bother when billions are destroying the environment.
Kids on the late late saying they walk to school one day a week, jasus we walked every day, if they can walk one day they can walk every day, those kids are the cannon fodder of climate change and they're ignoring it, so why bother

Tough going back in them days.

gozunda

davidk1394 wrote: »

The first night of the programme I thought to myself that I might learn a few tips on saving water, by the end of the first night I was going to put my foot through the television. Is the programme not supposed to be unbiased ? They may aswell put one of us on it and get everyone eating steak 3 times a day. You would also think they'd find a vegan in Ireland not have to bring one in from the UK, this makes it even more ridiculous. Is it even worth emailing the broadcast regulator ?

This ^^^.

Posted this already on the 'nutition' expert employed by RTE

The food specialist on the programme - surprise surprise is Dr Marco Springmann - one of the scientist behind much of the now debunked EAT Lancet and a vegan activist

https://mobile.twitter.com/ghgguru/status/1088083544314920961?lang=en ...

RTE need to be taken to task for this type of tabloid TV. As far as I'm aware they are supposed to provide a balance of views in their programming. Instead we have RTE employing an UK plant food activist as a nutrition guide for these programmes which on the face of it is little different to only interviewing the DUP about politics. 

They've even put up a 'planetary diet guide' by the same eejit which includes well known food grown here such as Yams and Chickpeas - but bizarrely does not even follow the reductionist promotion of eating less meat etc of the now debunked Lancett EAT planetary diet.

And the problem with these rubbish partisan programmes? We are paying for RTE to make these programmes and paying participants €2000 a pop for going along with the bs.

wrangler

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Tough going back in them days.

Jasus I never considered it tough,
There was some kids spared when I didn't have them, does pregnancy trigger some hormone in both partners to make them more subdued because that's the only solution I can see.

mgn

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Tough going back in them days.

And a sod of turf under each arm.

wrangler

mgn wrote: »

And a sod of turf under each arm.

Joke will be on them, CC won't affect me at all and probably not a lot on here much either but they're the cannon fodder.
Sure they have'' Climate anxiety'' already

mgn

wrangler wrote: »

Joke will be on them, CC won't affect me at all and probably not a lot on here much either but they're the cannon fodder.
Sure they have'' Climate anxiety'' already

Won't affect me either, and when these spoilt kids start paying a few bills when the leave school in their 30s, the will soon cop themselves on too.

davidk1394

More shíte like this on rte 2fm now on the Dave Fanning programme with Jacy Reese, he wrote a book the end of animal farming. Trying to get people to move away from animal products

RTÉ seem to have an agenda to eradicate animals from our lives. They want us to stop eating meat and all animal by products. They also want us to stop greyhound racing. I’m sure that they’ll turn their eyes to horse racing next.
I’m too fond of my roast beef, lamb and chicken to pay them any heed.

patsy_mccabe

Deleted User wrote: »

RTÉ seem to have an agenda to eradicate animals from our lives. They want us to stop eating meat and all animal by products. They also want us to stop greyhound racing. I’m sure that they’ll turn their eyes to horse racing next.
I’m too fond of my roast beef, lamb and chicken to pay them any heed.

I was talking to someone involved with greyhounds and he was fuming over the programme they did on greyhound racing a while back. They featured a vet on it, Finbarr Heslin. Failed to mention, of course that he is the partner of, none other than, newscaster Sharon Ni Bheolain. Unbiased reporting eh......:mad:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/those-who-knowingly-harm-greyhounds-bring-shame-on-industry-says-igb-1.3939158


https://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/gorgeous-gaelgeoir-denies-tying-knot-26666207.html

Buford T. Justice XIX

Say my name wrote: »

It's just the fact that the trees store the carbon in their timber and just that physical bulk of it there. What happens to the timber after is the next thing if that carbon gets stored or not.

In the soil it seems it's fungi are the main drivers in carbon storage in soils. If you've soil that is conducive for good mycellium growth you'll start to produce the humus and you'll have the self sustaining and growing soil.

Go the other way with no mycellium and you'll have a tight compacted no oxygen soil that doesn't make and store the carbon and needs intervention for plant growth.

Fungi once grew to species that were over 20ft tall. But got wise to the fact after plants came along that they'd let the plants do all that growing and form a symbiotic relationship with the plant to feed and be fed. However not all plants like fungi and some plants have been purposely bred to not make that good relationship.

Can you imagine the sh!tstorm that's going to erupt when people will be told that Agriculture is their only hope of reversing climate change:D

jaymla627

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was talking to someone involved in greyhound and he was fuming over the programme they did on greyhound racing a while back. They featured a vet on it, Finbarr Heslin. Failed to mention, of course that he is the partner of, none other than, newscaster Sharon Ni Bheolain. Unbiased reporting eh......:mad:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/those-who-knowingly-harm-greyhounds-bring-shame-on-industry-says-igb-1.3939158

https://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/gorgeous-gaelgeoir-denies-tying-knot-26666207.html

Seen on another forum it mentioned the bobby calf expose is to be aired next week that will stir up some hornets nest

freshpopcorn

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was talking to someone involved in greyhound and he was fuming over the programme they did on greyhound racing a while back. They featured a vet on it, Finbarr Heslin. Failed to mention, of course that he is the partner of, none other than, newscaster Sharon Ni Bheolain. Unbiased reporting eh......:mad:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/those-who-knowingly-harm-greyhounds-bring-shame-on-industry-says-igb-1.3939158


https://www.independent.ie/woman/celeb-news/gorgeous-gaelgeoir-denies-tying-knot-26666207.html

That's correct from what I know.
Sharon has being against greyhound racing for years from what I know.