RTE Climate change program What Planet Are You On?

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Was it Sharon did the greyhound program?
If it wasn’t, I don’t see how it matters?

Seriously????

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Can you imagine the sh!tstorm that's going to erupt when people will be told that Agriculture is their only hope of reversing climate change:D

I believe the influencers already know this but they are just so far removed from the reality of livestock production and see it as abhorrent that life has to end for new life to begin that they've wrapped themselves with a bubble of like minded imbeciles that won't tell them to stop.
It helps that there's money promoting this and it comes from the fertilizer group, Yara, the cereal conglomerate Kelloggs and the commodity traders Cargill.

If you want to further commoditize farming, you have to get rid of the "scrap" small family units who just don't know when to stop. To do this you have to demoralize them into believing there's no future. It helps if you can actually push down consumer demand for their products and get them out that way.
The remainers then should have no time to think and should be big enough that they've no choice but to sell their product as a commodity into the commodity market. Hopefully they'll be buying or selling to us or using our services.

Anyway leaving that world order behind.
The future if it is to be serious about climate and not just about making money is small and medium sized farms keeping some livestock and growing some trees.
Now for a not Dragons den moment.
Grow the trees on the ditches or as silvopasture. Cut down the trees and replant or use coppicing varieties. Use the trees to make biochar.
Have your biochar plant beside a glasshouse. Pump any co2 emitted from the plant into the glasshouse and use the heat from the plant in the glasshouse as well. Have a shallow water system on the floor of the glasshouse to grow spirulina algae.
Use the nutrients from the livestock dung and urine to feed and produce the algae.
Harvest the algae and mix with the biochar and use as a land fertilizer. This will feed and add diversity and sequester more carbon than the dung or slurry alone.
The industrial fertilizer business goes broke. The farmers have produced their own biofertilizer without any need for imported nitrogen or phosphorus whether cadmium laced or not.
World peace ensues.. soil carbon levels increase exponentially and the planet is saved. Horaay.

davidk1394 wrote: »

More shíte like this on rte 2fm now on the Dave Fanning programme with Jacy Reese, he wrote a book the end of animal farming. Trying to get people to move away from animal products

And the whole load of bull**** is simply fire for the extremists to get stirred up on - from those protesting to close down slaughter houses - to the eejits screaming about agriculture, hunting etc as 'murdering country folk' and 'non human animals'. Its like living in a fecking bad trip disney movie. I can only presume the government has taken to adding LSD or something similar to the water or at least the national broadcaster has gone off the deep end with the propaganda.

Watching 'Will Ireland Survive 2050?' now on RTE 1. It shows Coonagh in Limerick and the recent flooding there. I know Coonagh. It's all built on corcas land and so is well under high level tide. It flooded because the Council were working on the sluice gate there and went away for the weekend and left a temp job in place. It failed and flooded the place. Nothing whatsoever to do with global warming. :mad:

How can RTE give out 2 completely conflicting reports.
https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2019/0902/1073392-coonagh-flooding/

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

It's just the latest incarnation of the bias inherent in RTE.
https://twitter.com/IFAmedia/status/1195685227248701440?s=19
The nutrition expert they provided the other night has no nutritional qualifications and is, iirc, a qualified physicist.

But he ticked the boxes on the narrative that RTE are pushing wholesale atm.

I agree RTÉ should provide good, unbiased reporting, and use qualified, relevant people - no arguments there...

If that bet lad wasn’t qualified, he shouldn’t have been on the show. But saying he shouldn’t have been on the show, regardless of his experience, ability or qualifications purely cos of his girlfriend / wife doesn’t sit well with me...

Have to congratulate the youth assembly on their measured set of proposals yesterday.

After the chytstorm we've had from RTE during the week, I was really nervous of what the young people could present...

What emerged is measured and largely solid...

It's measures towards food production was that food should carry an environmental score on its packaging, and that surely not a bad idea...

The were no reccomendations regarding travel and transport, which maybe they are finding that part of the lifestyle change a little more difficult to approach..


But we'll done, and it's up to us as farmers to produce that good environmental score, and as suggested elsewephere, get involved in the education of everyone as to what we do..

Too many posts on here that their org should do this and this org should do that...if your a farmer, you need to be able to stand up and educate everyone around you as to the environmental merits of what you do..

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Well this is just my opinion.
If he presented a program about looking at the cute puppies, etc have no issues with it.
However this vet is in a relationship with a woman who clearly has issues with greyhound racing. So, I would question it to be honest.

Ok, not trying to be awkward, but why does it matter about the vet who presented the shows girlfriends views?

Why do Sharons views matter so much?

I don’t get it...

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Ok, not trying to be awkward, but why does it matter about the vet who presented the shows girlfriends views?

Why do Sharons views matter so much?

I don’t get it...

Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex.
There I had to be the one to post it.

Basically Sharon Ni Bheolain is such a fine thing and her views on animal welfare are well known and your man is probably boxing above his weight that no way would he disagree with Sharon's views and was well coached beforehand.

high_king wrote: »

Because

1) As it's taxpayer funded - RTE is supposed to be unbiased, and present the facts and let people make their own minds up, which they are well capable of

2) When they present something as neutral expert testimony, it's supposed to be from an actual expert, top of their field, not someone pretending to be

I agree with both of those...

But the fact the vet wasn’t qualified or experienced and shouldn’t have been on, is seperate to saying his missus is X, so he shouldnt be on...

But, I agree with poster above, this is way off topic, so will leave at that...

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Ok, not trying to be awkward, but why does it matter about the vet who presented the shows girlfriends views?

Why do Sharons views matter so much?

I don’t get it...

Its called a conflict of interest. Family / partners of those in a position of influence cannot be considered impartial. Think of it like this - if you found out the solicitor representing you in court was the second cousin of the offended party - would you be ok with that? Or the person giving you a parking fine was the brother of a person who really didnt like you - would you be ok with that. It's not that difficult really. Blood and relationship as they say is thicker than water...

Capra wrote: »

Just have a look at the RTE homepage right now. Wall to wall coverage of the children's recommendations on climate change...as it has been all week. It's truly insane stuff.

Who gives a fig about what the most tedious children from 150 schools around the country want? Their lack of life knowledge and experience, added to their susceptability to peer pressure makes their opinions totally meaningless. You know exactly what type of know it all teenager was present at that thing today too.

Do you hate all kids, or just the ones that went to the Dáil?

alps wrote: »

Do you hate all kids, or just the ones that went to the Dáil?

If they done a bit of research and read their history books its a well proven fact the world was 2 degrees plus warmer from 900 a.d to 1300a.d, and then a mini ice age occurred that the planet is only coming out of now, they used to be to grow grapes and have a thriving wine industry in Britain during the medieval period but the ipcc has totally discounted 4 decades of research and 7000 plus published findings in favour of one study done in 1998 on tree rings that reckoned this warm period never happened and the earth was never as hot as it is today......

https://twitter.com/GeorgeHoward6/status/1195809972854120448

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

We bought a new one 6 months ago. Was on for 5 minutes and smoke started bellowing out of it. Frightened the bejaysus out of me. No was would I leave one on at night.

Both a fire-hazard & a noise nusance particularly in apartment blocks.

There's something sinister about the ways kids have been targeted & brainwashed to push a particular agenda.

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Quite a few of their presenters on Twitter got an earful from Ag twitter so they're being a bit disingenuous saying they received no complaints, unsurprisingly.

I know, I thought the same, but their complaints inbox is empty so all is Rosey with them.

Big Ears wrote:

I watched one episode of this during the week, and it was clear the programme had an agenda.

Err emm, maybe the agenda is, we must make changes as we're having serious negative effects on our planet, I'm only guessing though.

Electric power creation via fossil fuels is believed to more efficient and less harmful to the environment than the accumulated output from individual fossil fuelled vehicles, hence the push for electric cars, there's obviously a big push towards moving electric power creation towards alternatives as well

juniorfarmer wrote: »

Any ye guys watched the game changer on Netflix?

Interesting fun fact about The director James Cameron of Games changer is that he has invested a small fortune in his own vegan food processing facility and continues to do so, like I have been saying if you follow the money you'll see what the whole climate change rethrotic is all about

Big Ears wrote:

If meat is a problem due to CO2 (and not because you don't like the concept of people eating meat), then having alternatives which require being shipped here from far away may not be the solution. They ignores the carbon footprint of shipping foods completely on the programme.

Ah no, I'm aware of the point you were making, unfortunately we re fossil fuel junkies, probably everything we consume has some connection to their burning, such is the complexity of this problem, but changes must be made at both the individual level, and at the systematic and institutional level, I think the latter is gonna be the bigger and more complex of the two to change.

An astonishing level of investment is gonna be needed to do this, but my fear is, it may not occur, I feel too much enffices is being made to try convince the individual to change, ultimately making it the individuals responsibility, and ultimately costing the individual, hence why I think the approach of carbon taxation could very well fail it's main objectives, there's only so much the individual can do and afford.

Big Ears wrote: »

I think you may have missed my point.

If meat is a problem due to CO2 (and not because you don't like the concept of people eating meat), then having alternatives which require being shipped here from far away may not be the solution.
They ignores the carbon footprint of shipping foods completely on the programme.

Yes Electric cars produce less emmisions than ICE cars. However how many years do you have to be driving an electric car, to offset the CO2 emitted to produce that new car for you ?
I don't have an answer for that (although someone on this thread might).
Do you not feel it's relevant to inform people it'll take 3,5,15 years (whatever it is) at x mileage to offset the cost of producing a new car ?
That's if the goal is to actually lower emissions and not just to bitch at people and feel superior to others.

Think its seven years, problem with electric vehicles is that they require huge amounts of cobalt that isn't easily available and has propagated modern day slavery out in the Congo with an estimated 35,000 children been affected, who shift throw rocks all day long looking for pieces with cobalt attached that they then put into a bag and hauled to a collection point, cobalt is a highly poisonous substance with it estimated alot of these kids wont live to 30, it can be mechanically extracted but costs to much