Garda shoots dog in Longford

Ten of Swords · 04-12-2018 10:48am

There's a business name and phone number on that truck, clearly visible. If you are querying the videos authenticity why not call them up and ask for his side of the story? The business is based in Cork.

Hurrache · 04-12-2018 10:52am

Looks like I'll be the first person to say it. If they're travellers they've pretty mild accents as their accents go. In fact they sound like they have a normal enough midlands accent for that part of the country.

suicide_circus · 04-12-2018 10:53am

Hurrache wrote: »

Looks like I'll be the first person to say it. If they're travellers they've pretty mild accents as their accents go. In fact they sound like they have a normal enough midlands accent for that part of the country.

imposters?

Ninthlife · 04-12-2018 10:54am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Nothing excessive about the force the guard used.

Excessive may have been the wrong term to use but the use of his gun would be considered a last resort.

I've no issues with him shooting the dog and in other countries the gun would have been drawn long before that the person would have been made to step away from the van and get on the ground, failure to comply with such simple instructions would have led to either being tasered or shot.

What's more worrying is that this Garda was alone and back up was probably a fair bit away.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 10:54am

Hurrache wrote:

Looks like I'll be the first person to say it. If they're travellers they've pretty mild accents as their accents go. In fact they sound like they have a normal enough midlands accent for that part of the country.

You are clearly no expert in linguistics.

granturismo · 04-12-2018 10:54am

lawred2 wrote: »

Unlikely that there was any dog... Sure a German Shepherd would be clearly heard snarling when grabbing that guard's tie

Unless these travelers have engineered a stealth dog.. and if so there's a lucrative career in dog training for security services open to them.

They could leave all this type of business behind them..

RTE reporting there was a dog shot

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2018/1204/1014947-gsoc_longford/

Alf Veedersane · 04-12-2018 10:55am

Hurrache wrote: »

Looks like I'll be the first person to say it. If they're travellers they've pretty mild accents as their accents go. In fact they sound like they have a normal enough midlands accent for that part of the country.

I can't wait to tell my mates from Longford that they sound like Travellers.

Hurrache · 04-12-2018 10:56am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You are clearly no expert in linguistics.

Seems you may rarely leave your own locality.

cursai · 04-12-2018 10:59am

GBX wrote: »

There is transcript of a chat doing the rounds on Whatsapp: Anyway Johnjoe or whoever was disarmed of a hook beforehand. Which was why the Gda had his gun drawn.
Fair enough if you ask me.

Would you be able to share the text?

Effects · 04-12-2018 11:00am

RTE mentioning a man with injuries from a shotgun. Any idea who had the shotgun and what happened?

Effects · 04-12-2018 11:01am

cursai wrote: »

Would you be able to share the text?

It'll only be an interpretation anyway, and probably not that accurate.

Grayditch · 04-12-2018 11:01am

The confusion is that the dog's name is "Foot".

Hurrache · 04-12-2018 11:01am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I can't wait to tell my mates from Longford that they sound like Travellers.

Longford is a big county, and not everyone in the county speak with the same accent. You'd know that of course because of your mates from there.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 11:01am

Effects wrote: »

RTE mentioning a man with injuries from a shotgun. Any idea who had the shotgun and what happened?

I heard that as well and was a bit confused. Dont see any shotgun in the Vid. Other stories say he was hit with a ricochet so it could just be bad terminology.

cursai · 04-12-2018 11:02am

cursai wrote: »

Would you be able to share the text?

The company I work for do recovery sometimes for the gardai and this sort of stuff happens the whole time. It has become a point now where no vehicle is recovered if it's not in the presence of gardai, for the drivers own safety.

Captain Obvious · 04-12-2018 11:02am

El Tarangu wrote: »

I don't know; yer man had the garda by the tie, he was off-balance. If the garda had have ended up on the ground and the dog attacked, he would have been in trouble.

I think it was the dog that had him by the tie.

ted1 wrote: »

Why was he wearing a proper tie? Aren’t they meant to wear clip on’s. Can’t imagine health and safety allowing them

The uniform Gardaí get clip on ties. Detectives are required to dress a bit more dapper. Just another one of those outdated policies.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 11:05am

Are these the same travellers that tried bombing a Garda's house recently?

If so, perhaps the Garda in the video knows what they are capable of and knew what would happen if he didn't defend himself.

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 11:06am

Hurrache wrote:

Seems you may rarely leave your own locality.

Again you are wrong. I have travelled extensively and lived and worked throughout Ireland. Thanks for the baseless assumption though, any other incorrect assumptions you would like to make or do you think it would be wise to stop digging'?

tuxy · 04-12-2018 11:08am

cursai wrote: »

The company I work for do recovery sometimes for the gardai and this sort of stuff happens the whole time. It has become a point now where no vehicle is recovered if it's not in the presence of gardai, for the drivers own safety.

But sending a lone garda even if he was a detective seems highly unusual.
The discharge of his weapon seems justified but there will be questions asked on why he approached the situation on his own.

suicide_circus · 04-12-2018 11:08am

can the thread title be changed from dog to dag?

Alf Veedersane · 04-12-2018 11:09am

Hurrache wrote: »

Longford is a big county, and not everyone in the county speak with the same accent. You'd know that of course because of your mates from there.

Apart from the fact that Longford isn't a big county, there's a difference between a Longford accent and a traveller accent.

Fwiw, only 3 of 32 counties smaller than Longford.

lertsnim · 04-12-2018 11:10am

Travellers Lives Matters

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 11:11am

GBX wrote: »

There is transcript of a chat doing the rounds on Whatsapp: Anyway Johnjoe or whoever was disarmed of a hook beforehand. Which was why the Gda had his gun drawn.
Fair enough if you ask me.

hooks and attack dogs

yeah - that's run of the mill paraphernalia when knocking about minding your own business alright

these lads need the same attention as our violent drug gangs get - won't happen though

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 11:12am

tuxy wrote: »

But sending a lone garda even if he was a detective seems highly unusual.
The discharge of his weapon seems justified but there will be questions asked on why he approached the situation on his own.

The guy in the van looked like he was about to get a digging.

The Crowman · 04-12-2018 11:12am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I heard that as well and was a bit confused. Dont see any shotgun in the Vid. Other stories say he was hit with a ricochet so it could just be bad terminology.

They probably meant "gunshot".

dan1895 · 04-12-2018 11:12am

Quite often it is settled people who go onto halting sites and attack the Gardai with a dog.

Paulzx · 04-12-2018 11:12am

lertsnim wrote: »

Travellers Lives Matters

I think you meant "Travellers Dags Lives Matter"

Lets start a twitter campaign

tuxy · 04-12-2018 11:13am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The guy in the van looked like he was about to get a digging.

If the man had called the local station more than one garda would have shown up.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 11:13am

The Crowman wrote: »

They probably meant "gunshot".

That is quite possible. You cant depend on the news for anything accurate in relation to firearms.

Paulzx · 04-12-2018 11:13am

dan1895 wrote: »

Quite often it is settled people who go onto halting sites and attack the Gardai with a dog.

After they've dumped their rubbish all over the halting site of course:)

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 11:15am

tuxy wrote: »

If the man had called the local station more than one garda would have shown up.

Perhaps the detective was nearer. There is a lot we dont know here. I dont think we should be too hard on a guard who tried to protect a member of the public.

GBX · 04-12-2018 11:15am

cursai wrote: »

Would you be able to share the text?

Effects wrote: »

It'll only be an interpretation anyway, and probably not that accurate.

I'm not sharing it as it contains names (who may or may not be Gda) but as I said the Gda disarmed him of the slashook which is why he had the gun out. The reason he was there was to get back a car/van . They had set the dog on him which is when things turned as they did.

lawred2 · 04-12-2018 11:16am

granturismo wrote: »

RTE reporting there was a dog shot

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2018/1204/1014947-gsoc_longford/

grand

either way - with or without a dog - can't see much issue with that guard's response

suicide_circus · 04-12-2018 11:16am

dan1895 wrote: »

Quite often it is settled people who go onto halting sites and attack the Gardai with a dog.

never gets old

Paulzx · 04-12-2018 11:17am

GBX wrote: »

I'm not sharing it as it contains names (who may or may not be Gda) but as I said the Gda disarmed him of the slashook which is why he had the gun out. The reason he was there was to get back a car/van . They had set the dog on him which is when things turned as they did.

FFS!!..... Slashook? Must have been on his way home from a funeral

harr · 04-12-2018 11:17am

The lad shot definitely seems to be holding something at the start of video as he seems to only have one hand free to have a swing at van driver.
If he does have a dog and grabs the tie and pulls the guards head down towards the dog then no option but to shoot.
Even if no dog garbing the tie only leaves the guard with one hand to defend himself and he can count himself lucky he only got it in the foot.
Of course the video is edited enough not to show full story of why the detective had his gun drawn .. only logical reason would be if other man was armed or he had threatened to set the German shepherd on him.
Scary situation to be on your own wor back up probably miles away...
Them being on first names terms with the detective says a lot to be honest...

mike_cork · 04-12-2018 11:18am

Broadsheet.ie have this up
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford-8/?fbclid=IwAR0eM4TYuPfsUo84-kNhA13ojCEXPIhYkqnLvZnYxZxbmkk3EcYA-QyO1sw

"Shortly before 6pm, A garda in Edgeworthstown in Longford allegedly helping a friend remove a van that the repairs on it hadn’t been paid for…When the man who repaired it tried to stop the van from being taken, the garda, shoving the man and his wife and when his tie was grabbed, raised a pistol and shot the man having already allegedly shot and killed his dog…"

The Master · 04-12-2018 11:20am

Paulzx wrote: »

FFS!!..... Slashook? Must have been on his way home from a funeral

No need to jump to conclusions like that
Could easily have been a wedding

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 11:22am

mike_cork wrote: »

Broadsheet.ie have this up
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford-8/?fbclid=IwAR0eM4TYuPfsUo84-kNhA13ojCEXPIhYkqnLvZnYxZxbmkk3EcYA-QyO1sw

"Shortly before 6pm, A garda in Edgeworthstown in Longford allegedly helping a friend remove a van that the repairs on it hadn’t been paid for…When the man who repaired it tried to stop the van from being taken, the garda, shoving the man and his wife and when his tie was grabbed, raised a pistol and shot the man having already allegedly shot and killed his dog…"

That statement doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, and the guy posting it isn't exactly what you'd call impartial.

Gravelly · 04-12-2018 11:22am

The Master wrote: »

No need to jump to conclusions like that
Could easily have been a wedding

Or a christening.

thegetawaycar · 04-12-2018 11:23am

Fair play to the guard. He was quite restrained at the start. We miss the reason that the woman screaming is claiming she is pressing charges?

If a guard has a weapon drawn and you insist on being abusive and aggressive especially physically, then getting shot in the leg should be the standard approach. The guard has 1 hand on a gun, if you then engage him expect to be shot.

In normal places, the police pull their guns and you cooperate, try that **** in Spain, France, US and see what happens. These ****ing low lives have no respect and a few more instances like this might help instill some.

Hurrache · 04-12-2018 11:24am

mike_cork wrote: »

Broadsheet.ie have this up
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/12/04/meanwhile-in-longford-8/?fbclid=IwAR0eM4TYuPfsUo84-kNhA13ojCEXPIhYkqnLvZnYxZxbmkk3EcYA-QyO1sw

"Shortly before 6pm, A garda in Edgeworthstown in Longford allegedly helping a friend remove a van that the repairs on it hadn’t been paid for…When the man who repaired it tried to stop the van from being taken, the garda, shoving the man and his wife and when his tie was grabbed, raised a pistol and shot the man having already allegedly shot and killed his dog…"

If that is how it actually played out and is not based on stories and assumptions, the Garda may find himself in a lot of trouble.

hurler32 · 04-12-2018 11:27am

Every Day travellers are in the news .. Drogheda , Mullingar , Ennis ... Longford in this case , how much Garda resources etc are tied up trying to deal with their criminality ???
Fine Gael and Sinn Fein seem to love travellers , what party is prepared to tackle Travellet Crime ??

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 11:27am

Hurrache wrote: »

If that is how it actually played out and is not based on stories and assumptions, the Garda may find himself in a lot of trouble.

why? it seems to leave out a lot we have heard elsewhere. like the presence of a slash hook.

cursai · 04-12-2018 11:28am

tuxy wrote: »

But sending a lone garda even if he was a detective seems highly unusual.
The discharge of his weapon seems justified but there will be questions asked on why he approached the situation on his own.

We don't know he was on his own. The camerawork was a little one sided

Plumbthedepths · 04-12-2018 11:29am

Hurrache wrote:

If that is how it actually played out and is not based on stories and assumptions, the Garda may find himself in a lot of trouble.

The guard won't be in trouble he can be clearly heard on camera telling the traveller to get his dog to let him go. He gave a warning it was ignored and his safety was compromised he had no choice but to protect himself. You also ignore the fact the traveller has hold of his tie before the warning and then the shot. What you quoted makes no sense whatsoever. Did you even read it first?

Hurrache · 04-12-2018 11:30am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why? it seems to leave out a lot we have heard elsewhere. like the presence of a slash hook.

Because there was no slash hook mentioned in that story, story I was specifically commenting on.

And even if there was, he's alleged to have been there unofficially helping a friend.

But like every time such a story happens, it's enveloped in Chinese whispers, hearsay and rumours. And most people then make their assumptions as facts based on this.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The guard won't be in trouble he can be clearly heard on camera telling the traveller to get his dog to let him go. He gave a warning it was ignored and his safety was compromised he had no choice but to protect himself. You also ignore the fact the traveller has hold of his tie before the warning and then the shot. What you quoted makes no sense whatsoever. Did you even read it first?

See above, it's pretty simple. I'll make it even easier for you

allegedly helping a friend

idnkph · 04-12-2018 11:31am

Few issues with this.
The cop didn't have a batton or pepper spray? Surely this is a first line of defence? I wonder had he called for back up before hand?!
Why was the cop wearing a tie? If your in a dangerous job that can become physical with violent people why oh why wear a tie? Any doorman would never wear as tie because of the dangerous nature of their job so why should a cop wear one that's not a clip on?
There is no dagg to be seen attacking him and holding onto his tie as someone said. You can clearly see it's the cream cracker holding onto his tie giving him an advantage with physical control.
The cop made so many mistakes in that short bit of a clip we seen so how many more has he made from the start of the situation?!

minikin · 04-12-2018 11:32am

If your actions cause a Garda to unholster his firearm then you are 100% responsible for who or what ends up with lead in them.

ohnonotgmail · 04-12-2018 11:33am

idnkph wrote: »

Few issues with this.
The cop didn't have a batton or pepper spray? Surely this is a first line of defence? I wonder had he called for back up before hand?!
Why was the cop wearing a tie? If your in a dangerous job that can become physical with violent people why oh why wear a tie? Any doorman would never wear as tie because of the dangerous nature of their job so why should a cop wear one that's not a clip on?
There is no dagg to be seen attacking him and holding onto his tie as someone said. You can clearly see it's the cream cracker holding onto his tie giving him an advantage with physical control.
The cop made so many mistakes in that short bit of a clip we seen so how many more has he made from the start of the situation?!

what use is a baton against a slash hook?

Garda shoots dog in Longford

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