Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

MD1990 · 26-11-2018 1:11pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I think if Wilder stops him it'll be early before the end of round 5
If he doesn't it'll mean Fury is being competitive and I personally think if he is competitive he will spoil enough to win ,

Fury won't get a decision in Vegas especially with his style of boxing.

Needs to KO Wilder .

funkey_monkey · 26-11-2018 1:12pm

Wilder Points

I can't see Fury KO'ing Wilder. I also can't see Fury doing 12 rounds without Wilder landing at least once cleanly on him.
Trying not to get sucked in by the Fury patter, so I'm going for Wilder by KO somewhere between rounds 6 - 9.

yourdeadwright · 26-11-2018 1:13pm

Draw

MD1990 wrote: »

Fury won't get a decision in Vegas especially with his style of boxing.

Needs to KO Wilder .

If Fury got a decision in Germany v Wlad he can get a decision in Vegas ,
If of course he makes it to the 12th round,

yourdeadwright · 26-11-2018 1:14pm

Draw

funkey_monkey wrote: »

I can't see Fury KO'ing Wilder. I also can't see Fury doing 12 rounds without Wilder landing at least once cleanly on him.
Trying not to get sucked in by the Fury patter, so I'm going for Wilder by KO somewhere between rounds 6 - 9.

Its defo the smart money ,

walshb · 26-11-2018 1:21pm

Wilder Points

This almost certainty in claiming that Fury can't get the nod in a close fight in Vegas......makes no real sense....Does Wilder have the judges on his pay?

yourdeadwright · 26-11-2018 1:23pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

This almost certainty in claiming that Fury can't get the nod in a close fight in Vegas......makes no real sense....Does Wilder have the judges on his pay?

I agree its silly, if he got the nod in Germany he can get it anywhere
Plus the fight isn't even in Vegas ,

walshb · 26-11-2018 1:25pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I agree its silly, if he got the nod in Germany he can get it anywhere
Plus the fight isn't even in Vegas ,

Yes, you're right......not even in Vegas....missed that...

MD1990 · 26-11-2018 1:36pm

walshb wrote: »

This almost certainty in claiming that Fury can't get the nod in a close fight in Vegas......makes no real sense....Does Wilder have the judges on his pay?

Wilder is backed by Al Haymon.

The most powerful man in boxing. He is getting a decision in LA(thought it was in Vegas).

So yeah it makes perfect sense.
A Frank Warren fighter is not a getting a decision against a Haymon fighter in LA no chance. Unless Wilder throws no punches which won't happen.

yourdeadwright · 26-11-2018 1:46pm

Draw

MD1990 wrote: »

Wilder is backed by Al Haymon.

The most powerful man in boxing. He is getting a decision in LA(thought it was in Vegas).

So yeah it makes perfect sense.
A Frank Warren fighter is not a getting a decision against a Haymon fighter in LA no chance. Unless Wilder throws no punches which won't happen.

People said the same about Wlad in Germany, It totally depends on the fight,

walshb · 26-11-2018 2:29pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

People said the same about Wlad in Germany, It totally depends on the fight,

Very true

You just know that if this is in any way competitive/close or difficult to score you will have people sticking to this claim, should Wilder get the nod....

Then there will others those claiming fix and robbery should Fury not get the nod in a close fight....

Too Tough To Die · 26-11-2018 3:23pm

Fury Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I agree its silly, if he got the nod in Germany he can get it anywhere
Plus the fight isn't even in Vegas ,

Wasn't a close fight in Germany, though. I'm not so sure he's leaving there with the belts if it was.

walshb · 26-11-2018 3:28pm

Wilder Points

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Wasn't a close fight in Germany, though. I'm not so sure he's leaving there with the belts if it was.

It was close......

When neither man is landing anything worth a damn and hugging and feeling each other up you know it's close.

Plenty swing rds in that one.....that means the cards could well be close...

Morrison J · 26-11-2018 3:55pm

Wilder Points

There is a weird narrative thats grown over time where people think Fury-Klitschko was some kind of 120-108 schooling. It was relatively nip and tuck but definitely a clear Fury win. Literally impossible to find 7 rounds for Wlad. I had it 8-4 Fury with 3 rounds between them due to the point deduction. Fury fought very well.

yourdeadwright · 26-11-2018 4:00pm

Draw

Morrison J wrote: »

There is a weird narrative thats grown over time where people think Fury-Klitschko was some kind of 120-108 schooling. It was relatively nip and tuck but definitely a clear Fury win. Literally impossible to find 7 rounds for Wlad. I had it 8-4 Fury with 3 rounds between them due to the point deduction. Fury fought very well.

In terms of a "FIGHT" it was close
but in term's of a boxing match where you have to score each round I think Fury won pretty straight forward ,
Obviously rounds where close and not much between them , but in my eyes there was no way in the world you could give it to Wlad scoring it on rounds ,

So a very close fight with a very clear winner does that make sense ?

Morrison J · 26-11-2018 4:02pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

In terms of a "FIGHT" it was close
but in term's of a boxing match where you have to score each round I think Fury won pretty straight forward ,
Obviously rounds where close and not much between them , but in my eyes there was no way in the world you could give it to Wlad scoring it on rounds ,

So a very close fight with a very clear winner does that make sense ?

Yep 100% agree. Theres no conceivable way you can score it fairly to Wlad.

yourdeadwright · 26-11-2018 4:04pm

Draw

Morrison J wrote: »

Yep 100% agree. Theres no conceivable way you can score it fairly to Wlad.

My thoughts exactly,
Fury back then always just seems to do enough to beat people, So interesting to see can he do it again after his time ,

walshb · 26-11-2018 5:19pm

Wilder Points

Getting back to the point, and one that yourdeadwright made, it is no way inconceivable that in these type fights the "away" fighter cannot get the nod.....I am sure there have been plenty fights in Germany similar to the Wlad-Fury fight, as regards who was the winner, and the "home" fighter got the nod...

yourdeadwright · 26-11-2018 5:25pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Getting back to the point, and one that yourdeadwright made, it is no way inconceivable that is these type fights the "away" fighter cannot get the nod.....I a sure there have been plenty fights in Germany similar to the Wlad-Fury fight, as regards who was the winner, and the "home" fighter got the nod...

I'd imagine on pay per view and one that will sell well it is less likely there will be someone robbed ,

It's not like Wilder is a Canelo he doesn't generate huge amounts of money , for everyone to be paid off, even in the Canelo v GGGI didn't think it was a robbery

ebbsy · 26-11-2018 5:54pm

Fury KO

The envelopes must be three fingers thick.

normanoffside · 26-11-2018 7:19pm

Draw

Fury says he will donate his entire purse to the homeless.

Too Tough To Die · 26-11-2018 7:24pm

Fury Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'd imagine on pay per view and one that will sell well it is less likely there will be someone robbed ,

It's not like Wilder is a Canelo he doesn't generate huge amounts of money , for everyone to be paid off, even in the Canelo v GGGI didn't think it was a robbery

I don't follow your logic. Why is it any less likely to be a robbery on ppv?

Wilder is not Canelo, but this is his first step towards being a ppv star and a fight against Joshua is a potentially huge money spinner if they can raise AJ's profile in the states.

squinn2912 · 26-11-2018 9:19pm

Draw

I think Fury will ko Wilder in 9th round. He will hit him from every angle and frustrate the life out of him. He will be 3-4 stone heavier but will still be springy enough to keep him at bay. There it is, I’ve made my prediction

wadacrack · 26-11-2018 10:37pm

Wilder Points

The fight goes 2 ways for me. Fury makes it very awkward and avoids Wilder for the first few rounds but eventually at some stage he is going to get hit. Wilder obviously a massive puncher. Definitely one of the biggest punchers of all time.

Or Fury is hit early and its over. Fury will be hit at some stage either way and once he is , its going to be extremely hard to make it 12 rounds

squinn2912 · 26-11-2018 10:46pm

Draw

wadacrack wrote: »

The fight goes 2 ways for me. Fury makes it very awkward and avoids Wilder for the first few rounds but eventually at some stage he is going to get hit. Wilder obviously a massive puncher. Definitely one of the biggest punchers of all time.

Or Fury is hit early and its over. Fury will be hit at some stage either way and once he is , its going to be extremely hard to make it 12 rounds

He can pick surely but one of the biggest punchers of all time? He has an inflated ko record largely due to his calibre of opposition. I like him too so I’ll be happy with either one winning. It’s very interesting.

wadacrack · 26-11-2018 11:09pm

Wilder Points

squinn2912 wrote: »

He can pick surely but one of the biggest punchers of all time? He has an inflated ko record largely due to his calibre of opposition. I like him too so I’ll be happy with either one winning. It’s very interesting.

How he has knocked them stands out to me. Hes defiantly one the best punchers of his generation so would say its comparable to other era's

Morrison J · 27-11-2018 5:25am

Wilder Points

He's far skinnier than he was when he was even fighting Wlad anyway.

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anthonyjmaher · 27-11-2018 8:36am

Morrison J wrote: »

He's far skinnier than he was when he was even fighting Wlad anyway.

Is that Deontay? :pac:

yourdeadwright · 27-11-2018 11:40am

Draw

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

I don't follow your logic. Why is it any less likely to be a robbery on ppv?

Wilder is not Canelo, but this is his first step towards being a ppv star and a fight against Joshua is a potentially huge money spinner if they can raise AJ's profile in the states.

Most robberies in boxing happen at the lower levels when there trying to build a fighter and the eyes of the world are not on them, that's what I mean,
its rare that it happens in the Main fight on PPV card,

yourdeadwright · 27-11-2018 11:42am

Draw

squinn2912 wrote: »

I think Fury will ko Wilder in 9th round. He will hit him from every angle and frustrate the life out of him. He will be 3-4 stone heavier but will still be springy enough to keep him at bay. There it is, I’ve made my prediction

Personally I think this is the least likely out come,
Fury looks like he has zero pop in his two comeback fights and in all his training footage, He never had huge power before but it looks even worse now,
I'd be utterly shocked if he won by ko,

Too Tough To Die · 27-11-2018 12:42pm

Fury Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Most robberies in boxing happen at the lower levels when there trying to build a fighter and the eyes of the world are not on them, that's what I mean,
its rare that it happens in the Main fight on PPV card,

Well obviously most happen at lower levels as most fights are not main events, but it's by no means rare at the top level. Far from it.

walshb · 27-11-2018 12:42pm

Wilder Points

Fury's best chance to is stink the joint out and hope that the judges award him rds for it. Unless I am way wrong I see no way he wins via KO or clear points.

yourdeadwright · 27-11-2018 12:45pm

Draw

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Well obviously most happen at lower levels as most fights are not main events, but it's by no means rare at the top level. Far from it.

What was the last big fought that you thought was a robbery ?

Too Tough To Die · 27-11-2018 12:46pm

Fury Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What was the last big fought that you thought was a robbery ?

GGG v Canelo 1

walshb · 27-11-2018 12:48pm

Wilder Points

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

GGG v Canelo 1

That was not a robbery.....very closely fought and competitive fight. Plenty rds there that could be argued either way. Same for fight 2.

yourdeadwright · 27-11-2018 12:51pm

Draw

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

GGG v Canelo 1

That wasn't a robbery , it was a close fight,

Too Tough To Die · 27-11-2018 1:57pm

Fury Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

That wasn't a robbery , it was a close fight,

It was a clear GGG victory. That's pretty much universally accepted.

squinn2912 · 27-11-2018 2:10pm

Draw

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Personally I think this is the least likely out come,
Fury looks like he has zero pop in his two comeback fights and in all his training footage, He never had huge power before but it looks even worse now,
I'd be utterly shocked if he won by ko,

I'm not drawing too many conclusions based on those two fights. I said at the time I was giving him two brutal fights and on the third we'd know if he's serious. I'm hoping he is and if he is then I think Wilder can be got at. Fury hits in short, sharp bursts and if Wilder eats a few of those they could well shake him.
I was at a football match recently. A guy who had ballooned in weight a few years ago but had played through it looking quite good before taking a break for a year. This year he came back and is a good bit slimmer with a way to go yet. But he had zero speed. The time out seems to have done the harm. That is my concern for Fury. I'm very intrigued by this one.

robwen · 27-11-2018 2:48pm

Draw

Saturday's Wilder v Fury heavyweight showdown will cost Irish fans €23 on PPV

PAY-PER-VIEW details for Saturday’s eagerly anticipated showdown between Deontay Wilder and Tyson Fury have been announced.

Boxing fans in Ireland can watch the heavyweight world title fight on BT Sport Box Office, with prices starting at €22.99.

WBC champion Wilder (40-0) puts his title on the line against former heavyweight title holder Fury (27-0) at the Staples Centre in Los Angeles.

The fight is available to eir vision customers for €22.99, while Sky TV customers will also be able to order it for €23.99.

Virgin Media TV customers in Ireland will not be able to order the fight as eir Sport / BT Sport are not available on the platform.

eir Sport have also announced that Carl Frampton’s IBF world title challenge against Josh Warrington on 22 December will also be available to Irish viewers on BT Sport Box Office priced at €22.99/€23.99.

Mookie Blaylock · 27-11-2018 7:58pm

Wilder Points

Couldn't see too many people shelling out for the Frampton fight tbh

BobC88 · 27-11-2018 8:51pm

Fury KO

I only use the Eir Sport app, get it free with the broadband, so have BT etc. Also have NowTV with Sky Sports.

Any word whether or not it’s in any way possible to buy this without a Eir Vision box or Sky Box / Subscription?

normanoffside · 27-11-2018 8:56pm

Draw

squinn2912 wrote: »

I was at a football match recently. A guy who had ballooned in weight a few years ago but had played through it looking quite good before taking a break for a year. This year he came back and is a good bit slimmer with a way to go yet. But he had zero speed. The time out seems to have done the harm. That is my concern for Fury. I'm very intrigued by this one.

The only thing you can say for Fury is that he always ballooned between fights. Not quite this much but significantly nonetheless. He has been back training a year now and that's probably the longest single period he has been active and training.

I really don't know how this will go though.
Heart says Fury, I think he's a great character and a good bloke. Head says dunno.

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2018 12:58pm

Draw

I read that Fury was 257lbs this morning which is 18.3 stone,
So he is ten pounds heavier than when he fought Wlad at 247lbs and 17.6 stone,

The big test is how his cardio is ,

Mookie Blaylock · 28-11-2018 1:01pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I read that Fury was 257lbs this morning which is 18.3 stone,
So he is ten pounds heavier than when he fought Wlad at 247lbs and 17.6 stone,

The big test is how his cardio is ,

I genuinely can't see this lasting... he'll be gassed by round 7 imo

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2018 1:04pm

Draw

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

I genuinely can't see this lasting... he'll be gassed by round 7 imo[/QUOTE

You could be right , The clever money would be on him being ko'd but anything could happen in this ,

walshb · 28-11-2018 1:27pm

Wilder Points

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

I genuinely can't see this lasting... he'll be gassed by round 7 imo

That depends on the pace set.....

Wilder doesn't set fast paces. He's not overly busy and pressing; that's not to say that he won't be in this fight, just that his style is more cautious and patient, (and to some, even scared).

I wonder will Fury's "fear" of getting tagged and badly hurt play any part in his energy levels during the fight? Constantly 100 percent alert because the man in front of him is a very heavy hitter.....

Fury needs to set and dictate the pace and needs to get an offense going, an offence that either hurts or tags Wilder throughout, earning him rds in the bank for a points win.....needs to do this and survive, or avoid return heavy fire.....

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2018 1:37pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

That depends on the pace set.....

Wilder doesn't set fast paces. He's not overly busy and pressing; that's not to say that he won't be in this fight, just that his style is more cautious and patient, (and to some, even scared).

I wonder will Fury's "fear" of getting tagged and badly hurt play any part in his energy levels during the fight? Constantly 100 percent alert because the man in front of him is a very heavy hitter.....

Fury needs to set and dictate the pace and needs to get an offense going, an offence that either hurts or tags Wilder throughout, earning him rds in the bank for a points win.....needs to do this and survive, or avoid return heavy fire.....

Can anyone remember a fight before where Fury's cardio was an issue ?
Genuine questions as I can't recall it ,

Lost of people seems to have never seen Wilder fights, he always fights on the back foot he doesn't set a pace, well at least he hasn't yet,

walshb · 28-11-2018 1:43pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone remember a fight before where Fury's cardio was an issue ?
Genuine questions as I can't recall it ,

Lost of people seems to have never seen Wilder fights, he always fights on the back foot he doesn't set a pace, well at least he hasn't yet,

Historically Fury seems to always have had a good HW engine......

I guess this current version is what people may be wondering about...

Not just is he fit, but fit enough to be a threat, be busy, offensive and actually consistently landing and throwing decent punches...?

It's all well and good looking fit and being fit when in against complete bums (last two fights), but against a man that can end the fight with one shot, and who is as tall and rangy as Fury, well, that is where he may need to show some more fitness.

yourdeadwright · 28-11-2018 2:00pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Historically Fury seems to always have had a good HW engine......

I guess this current version is what people may be wondering about...

Not just is he fit, but fit enough to be a threat, be busy, offensive and actually consistently landing and throwing decent punches...?

It's all well and good looking fit and being fit when in against complete bums (last two fights), but against a man that can end the fight with one shot, and who is as tall and rangy as Fury, well, that is where he may need to show some more fitness.

Iv said from day one the only chance Fury has is to have pop in the jab and hit Wilder with a few shots early to make sure he gets some respect,

He needs to make Wilder think and back up to make sure he isn't just throwing that big right hand all night, The less Wilder throws it the less chance he has of landing it ,

walshb · 28-11-2018 2:02pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iv said from day one the only chance Fury has is to have pop in the jab and hit Wilder with a few shots early to make sure he gets some respect,

He needs to make Wilder think and back up to make sure he isn't just throwing that big right hand all night, The less Wilder throws it the less chance he has of landing it ,

It's this simple!

dulux99 · 28-11-2018 2:09pm

Does anyone know if it will be possible to record this on bt sport box office? You can't record sky box office and I assume this will be the same but hopefully not.

Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

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