Do Very Good Looking people have it easier in life

Alpha_zero · 01-01-2017 3:42am

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Tell us?

you want me to paraphrase for you

Surreptitious · 01-01-2017 3:43am

Alpha_zero wrote: »

That's the other guy Plato, it's ok cause your are hot

Excuse me, I have a Adhd in philosophy.

tomwaterford · 01-01-2017 3:45am

Surreptitious wrote: »

Excuse me, I have a Adhd in philosophy.

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder?

Sweetemotion · 01-01-2017 3:46am

Alpha_zero wrote: »

you want me to paraphrase for you

I googled Rene Descartes, but not reading all that. Just see what he said about animals.

So, Yes please. paraphrase.

Surreptitious · 01-01-2017 3:48am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder?

It's a joke. Instead of a PhD, I have ADHD in the subject.

Saipanne · 01-01-2017 4:25am

Alpha_zero wrote: »

My face just lit up reading your very insightful and honest post, i bet we could finish each other sentences.

I talk about looks, and some cnut hates me

I talk about personality, and some cnut hates me.

I can't win.

Klonker · 01-01-2017 4:31am

When I see polls like these I always wonder is it because attractive people happen to be be more confident and not because they are actually physically better looking than their zero confidence colleagues. So they get the jobs not because they are better looking but because their self esteem is not on the the floor.

riclad · 01-01-2017 2:13pm

Look at certain shops selling clothes, all the staff are handsome ,
theres no fat or ugly people employed by company x,
unless its behind the scenes staff ,that no one see,s .
IF you want a certain job looking attractive helps

Mr Arrior · 01-01-2017 2:28pm

When it comes to relationships, it isn't all about looks but it defo helps. The quiet, nice ones that are good looking have far more opportunities then the quiet nice ones that wouldn't be overly attractive. However, if ya have an infectious personality then it regularly doesn't matter what ya look like.

Micky 32 · 01-01-2017 3:04pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Personality. Is who you are, not your looks.

Yes, but it doesn't matter how beautiful your personality is or how confident you are but if you're not well built and have movie star looks( or rich) you won't get many irish women approaching you or wanting more than the friend zone :P They would rather go for the looks even if your personality is sh**e.;)

Dr Crayfish · 01-01-2017 3:08pm

Wibbs wrote: »

held to be true to help the plain(or those who have the notion that they're plain) feel better about themselves.

EDIT, though I have found As A Very General Thing(™) the more athletic/sporty six packed broad shouldered types to be far dumber and narrower of worldview than the nerdy weedy/fat not so attractive neck beards and chinless wonder types. This tends to be more a gender thing though and far more applicable to such stereotypical men.

Absolute bullsh*t. You need to get out more, oh wise one.

ToddyDoody · 01-01-2017 3:09pm

roysh1 wrote: »

Do you think that very attractive people(conventionally) have it easier in life?

I've noticed a trend in retail where it seems being good looking was definitely part of the hiring policy, even if this was never explicity stated.

Yourself isit · 01-01-2017 3:11pm

There's plenty of evidence to confirm this theory. For instance lost passports are more likely returned if the picture is attractive.

Galwayguy35 · 01-01-2017 3:12pm

If a man is tall, well built and good looking then as long as he isn't an asshole then yes he is going to have a lot more attention from good looking women.

Same scenario with women, they can have their pick of the best looking guys.

Fortunately not every tall guy is handsome so that gives us runts a chance

Zirconia · 01-01-2017 3:56pm

Beauty/Attractiveness is a currency that people trade with, both for professional advancement and in partner selection.

I'm tired of hearing women say that looks don't matter to them, because despite what they say, their actions always point to the opposite being true. Good looking women (i.e. notably above average) will not entertain average or below average men as potential partners. They may say they do, but in reality, while they are perfectly happy to be friendly towards men in this category, and they might even flirt with them as long as it's not serious, but that's it - to go any further they would have to judge the man as equally or more attractive. Some may not even be conscious of this (though many definitely are are). I'm not saying this is wrong - it's fine, it's nature taking its course I believe; there's inherent instinctive behavior in us all and it developed for particular reasons. It's the denials that looks are important that is a little disappointing. Perhaps it shows a lack of self-knowledge.

I can admit myself that I have had a similar blind spot too. When I was in relationships, I remember saying on more than one occasion that I thought nearly all Irish women (...around my own age category...) were quite attractive. Being single at the moment though, I realize this is not the case at all (not to offend Irish women of course - but there's a standard spread of "attractiveness" I guess even in Ireland). So what I am saying is that when I wasn't out looking for a partner, I was only seeing above average women when I walked down the street, the others didn't enter my consciousness and therefore I believed that Irish women were all really attractive. Now that I am actively looking, I see there are more attractive, average, and less attractive women all around me every day - it's like I'm on a different planet, but it's all down to perception.

I think the same is true in business - attractive people are noticed more and therefore have a higher profile and then tend to be promoted more. Not saying that talented people who aren't attractive don't progress in business - they do, but it's (slightly) more difficult. More attractive people also are judged to be better and more capable than perhaps they deserve; not sure of why this is but apparently this is another instinctive bias.

On the relationships side, another example is Hot vs Sleazy behavior; the same lines and behavior is viewed as hot and confident if the person making the approach is someone attractive to recipient of the attention. If they think they are hot, then it's all flattering and welcome attention. If they don't find them physically attractive then the exact same lines and behavior is described as sleazy and creepy!

I'm a bit reserved myself (perhaps you could say shy), but I have been told by an ex-partner that on our first date, as she became more comfortable with me during the date, she began to wish that I would just have grabbed her and kissed her passionately without warning! Imagine if I wasn't someone she found attractive - acting on this exact same behavior would go from hot passion, to being assault!

Mister Vain · 01-01-2017 4:17pm

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I've noticed a trend in retail where it seems being good looking was definitely part of the hiring policy, even if this was never explicity stated.

That would appear to be the case with flight attendants too. Most of them seem to be attractive.

Zirconia wrote: »

I'm tired of hearing women say that looks don't matter to them, because despite what they say, their actions always point to the opposite being true. Good looking women (i.e. notably above average) will not entertain average or below average men as potential partners. They may say they do, but in reality, while they are perfectly happy to be friendly towards men in this category, and they might even flirt with them as long as it's not serious, but that's it - to go any further they would have to judge the man as equally or more attractive.

I wouldn't agree with this. I've seen some really stunning women with average looking fellas. In some cases the guy was even shorter than the woman. So many times I've thought to myself, "jammy fecker." Then again its more difficult for me to judge what's attractive in a man. They could have been hot for all I know.

On the relationships side, another example is Hot vs Sleazy behavior; the same lines and behavior is viewed as hot and confident if the person making the approach is someone attractive to recipient of the attention. If they think they are hot, then it's all flattering and welcome attention. If they don't find them physically attractive then the exact same lines and behavior is described as sleazy and creepy

This I would be inclined to agree with.

Mr Arrior · 01-01-2017 5:37pm

Zirconia wrote:

I'm tired of hearing women say that looks don't matter to them, because despite what they say, their actions always point to the opposite being true. Good looking women (i.e. notably above average) will not entertain average or below average men as potential partners. They may say they do, but in reality, while they are perfectly happy to be friendly towards men in this category, and they might even flirt with them as long as it's not serious, but that's it - to go any further they would have to judge the man as equally or more attractive. Some may not even be conscious of this (though many definitely are are). I'm not saying this is wrong - it's fine, it's nature taking its course I believe; there's inherent instinctive behavior in us all and it developed for particular reasons. It's the denials that looks are important that is a little disappointing. Perhaps it shows a lack of self-knowledge.

I agree with this. A lot of women complain about guys going on looks but the majority are very similar. However guys are prob still worse.

Zirconia wrote:

On the relationships side, another example is Hot vs Sleazy behavior; the same lines and behavior is viewed as hot and confident if the person making the approach is someone attractive to recipient of the attention. If they think they are hot, then it's all flattering and welcome attention. If they don't find them physically attractive then the exact same lines and behavior is described as sleazy and creepy!

Very true.

wakka12 · 01-01-2017 9:03pm

Klonker wrote: »

When I see polls like these I always wonder is it because attractive people happen to be be more confident and not because they are actually physically better looking than their zero confidence colleagues. So they get the jobs not because they are better looking but because their self esteem is not on the the floor.

Thats definitely a big aspect. I was talking to my friend who was working in our college fashion show and I asked do they consider candidates for the show based on looks mostly/only ? And she said no not really its almost entirely about how you walk, your confidence etc. But she said that a lot of the performers usually are good looking as they are generally most confident. And she was telling the truth, a lot of the performers in the show were good looking but there were lots of plain and some people who were unattractive but were very confident and expressive and entertaining.

billyhead · 01-01-2017 9:11pm

Mister Vain wrote: »

That would appear to be the case with flight attendants too. Most of them seem to be attractive.

I wouldn't agree with this. I've seen some really stunning women with average looking fellas. In some cases the guy was even shorter than the woman. So many times I've thought to myself, "jammy fecker." Then again its more difficult for me to judge what's attractive in a man. They could have been hot for all I know.

Money Talks

Mr Arrior · 01-01-2017 9:20pm

Confidence is a big thing. I wouldn't consider myself overly handsome or anything and the confidence isn't the highest but I've started online coaching with a personal trainer to get fitter. I know if I got myself ripped id be a lot more confident in myself.

wakka12 · 01-01-2017 9:22pm

billyhead wrote: »

Mister Vain wrote: »

That would appear to be the case with flight attendants too. Most of them seem to be attractive.

I wouldn't agree with this. I've seen some really stunning women with average looking fellas. In some cases the guy was even shorter than the woman. So many times I've thought to myself, "jammy fecker." Then again its more difficult for me to judge what's attractive in a man. They could have been hot for all I know.

Money Talks

not true. Explain college aged girls with average looking guys then. Securing her future early?

pauliebdub · 01-01-2017 9:51pm

Hollister11 wrote: »

Not if your a girl, men will be trying to bang you constantly.

It's true. A female friend of mine is stunning looking and constantly gets hassled by pests when she goes out. She's quite a shy girl so it's very unwelcome. She could be at the bar and some scobe or a creepy old guy will start talking to her and giving her compliments or sleazy banter.

Micky 32 · 02-01-2017 1:26pm

billyhead wrote: »

Mister Vain wrote: »

That would appear to be the case with flight attendants too. Most of them seem to be attractive.

I wouldn't agree with this. I've seen some really stunning women with average looking fellas. In some cases the guy was even shorter than the woman. So many times I've thought to myself, "jammy fecker." Then again its more difficult for me to judge what's attractive in a man. They could have been hot for all I know.

Money Talks

The man i suspect will be very rich if you see him with a stunner.. reminds me of the time i was in KFC having a dirty fried chicken feed. A couple walk in. He was 60+ and she was a stunner aged approx 30 ish. She was all over him, putting me off my lovely juicy fried chicken.:o

Then they left, he pulled up outside the door in a brand new porsche and she hopped in.....mystery solved.;)

Galwayguy35 · 02-01-2017 4:50pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

billyhead wrote: »

The man i suspect will be very rich if you see him with a stunner.. reminds me of the time i was in KFC having a dirty fried chicken feed. A couple walk in. He was 60+ and she was a stunner aged approx 30 ish. She was all over him, putting me off my lovely juicy fried chicken.:o

Then they left, he pulled up outside the door in a brand new porsche and she hopped in.....mystery solved.;)

Cases like that benefit both people, she gets to go on holidays to places she could never afford and nice presents and he gets to shag a beautiful woman every night.

Mister Vain · 02-01-2017 5:00pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

billyhead wrote: »

The man i suspect will be very rich if you see him with a stunner.. reminds me of the time i was in KFC having a dirty fried chicken feed. A couple walk in. He was 60+ and she was a stunner aged approx 30 ish. She was all over him, putting me off my lovely juicy fried chicken.:o

Then they left, he pulled up outside the door in a brand new porsche and she hopped in.....mystery solved.;)

The people I'm talking about are in their 20's though. The women, while stunning, are very down to earth too. Not all stunners are shallow and have a huge list of requirements.

wakka12 · 02-01-2017 5:00pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Micky 32 wrote: »

Cases like that benefit both people, she gets to go on holidays to places she could never afford and nice presents and he gets to shag a beautiful woman every night.

Is a 'relationship' that came about only because of mutual desires but no real interest in actually being with one another a healthy thing though..seems sad to me at least

dev100 · 02-01-2017 5:00pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Fortunately not every tall guy is handsome so that gives us runts a chance

Ay the runts they are a special breed altogether....

Mister Vain · 02-01-2017 5:01pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Is a 'relationship' that came about only because of mutual desires but no real interest in actually being with one another a healthy thing though..seems sad to me at least

It's not ideal but probably better than the alternative, especially for women from poor countries.

Galwayguy35 · 02-01-2017 5:11pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Is a 'relationship' that came about only because of mutual desires but no real interest in actually being with one another a healthy thing though..seems sad to me at least

If both parties are happy with the arrangement then sure what harm.

I've seen it happen with a girl from the village I come from, she spent a few years with a millionaire 30 years older than her who had a holiday home here.

She got to see the world and was a stunner so it's easy to see what he was getting out of it.

Saipanne · 02-01-2017 5:59pm

Lads, you're making a fcuk of these quotes.

Calibos · 02-01-2017 6:03pm

Saipanne wrote: »

Lads, you're making a fcuk of these quotes.

They're not all mucking up the quotes surely? Glitch in Boards more likely?

Saipanne · 02-01-2017 6:04pm

Calibos wrote: »

They're not all mucking up the quotes surely? Glitch in Boards more likely?

Maybe, it can be fixed if someone deletes the double quote at the beginning though.

wakka12 · 02-01-2017 6:08pm

Calibos wrote: »

They're not all mucking up the quotes surely? Glitch in Boards more likely?

no..I think I messed up the first one and it had a bit of a knock on :pac:

02-01-2017 6:31pm

Mr Arrior wrote: »

Confidence is a big thing. I wouldn't consider myself overly handsome or anything and the confidence isn't the highest but I've started online coaching with a personal trainer to get fitter. I know if I got myself ripped id be a lot more confident in myself.

That's a bit...depressing...but I guess it's what so much of the gym industry is based on now, look better (as opposed to getting fit for some valid reason, like your health or to do better in sports) and you will be better for it.

Hands up, when I see a man who looks "ripped", I assume not very intelligent, possible inferiority issues, gullible etc. Kinda like the stereotypical blonde with too much make up and a short skirt. Of course, it's not a universal rule, and I know very smart blondes caked in make up and...actually any "ripped" guy I know personally is dumber than a bag of spanners...

whoopsadoodles · 02-01-2017 6:42pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's a bit...depressing...but I guess it's what so much of the gym industry is based on now, look better (as opposed to getting fit for some valid reason, like your health or to do better in sports) and you will be better for it.

Hands up, when I see a man who looks "ripped", I assume not very intelligent, possible inferiority issues, gullible etc. Kinda like the stereotypical blonde with too much make up and a short skirt. Of course, it's not a universal rule, and I know very smart blondes caked in make up and...actually any "ripped" guy I know personally is dumber than a bag of spanners...

Jaysus.

02-01-2017 6:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a bit...depressing...but I guess it's what so much of the gym industry is based on now, look better (as opposed to getting fit for some valid reason, like your health or to do better in sports) and you will be better for it.

Hands up, when I see a man who looks "ripped", I assume not very intelligent, possible inferiority issues, gullible etc. Kinda like the stereotypical blonde with too much make up and a short skirt. Of course, it's not a universal rule, and I know very smart blondes caked in make up and...actually any "ripped" guy I know personally is dumber than a bag of spanners...

Or it could be that our own insecurities would bring us to those assumptions in order to make us feel less shítty about ourselves in comparison

If i see a lad ripped i say, 'Jeez fair play to him, terrific dedication, '. Being ripped doesn't guarantee success with the ladies because i know several ladies make assumptions along the line of 'Oh he probably loves himself'.

As Irish we tend to dabble in be-grudgery all too very quickly and willingly.

Mr Arrior · 02-01-2017 7:13pm

I fully know that being ripped doesn't guarantee success with women but I find that it would help me a lot. I have worked in female dominated jobs and find it very easy interacting with women, however due to the fact, I wouldn't be overly handsome, I could do with just more of a head turning appeal which I'm hoping getting fitter may give me.

Goya · 02-01-2017 7:16pm

Being exceptionally beautiful, particularly for women, brings hostility with it too though - suspicion and jealousy from other women especially. When you see "Her forehead is huge", you can be sure the woman they're referring to is a stunner and that the forehead comment is barrel-scraping desperation by jealous women and by men who resent that they've no chance with her.

There's also the assumption that extremely beautiful people are stupid and vacuous (people like to tell themselves this to feel better). And the assumption that such a man is going to be a dick, or that such a woman is a bitch.

Somewhere in between seems the ideal point in my opinion. I.e. average looking and being able to scrub up nicely.

I see on this thread that going for good looking people is deemed a female tendency

when of course it's a tendency for either sex. When people say looks don't matter - ok it's not entirely honest, but what it means is that someone doesn't have to be utterly incredible looking to be attractive, and that in the long term, personality is of course most important. Short term though, it would be more about the physical.

02-01-2017 7:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Or it could be that our own insecurities would bring us to those assumptions in order to make us feel less shítty about ourselves in comparison

If i see a lad ripped i say, 'Jeez fair play to him, terrific dedication"

The 3 most "ripped" guys in the local gym are on steroids.

As I said, dumb. But an inevitable by product of that whole culture.

And you think criticism of that stupidity is based on insecurity? Ha!

02-01-2017 7:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The 3 most "ripped" guys in the local gym are on steroids.

As I said, dumb. But an inevitable by product of that whole culture.

And you think criticism of that stupidity is based on insecurity? Ha!

Whoa.......huge sample size! Seriously? 3 guys are on steroids and you assume everyone is like them or is it just them you are referring to? Bit of an insult to those that actually work hard to maintain their shape

Barry Badrinath · 02-01-2017 7:46pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

and...actually any "ripped" guy I know personally is dumber than a bag of spanners...

Not possible.

02-01-2017 7:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Whoa.......huge sample size! Seriously? 3 guys are on steroids and you assume everyone is like them or is it just them you are referring to? Bit of an insult to those that actually work hard to maintain their shape

As I said, the 3 best examples of being "ripped" around here are exceedingly dumb.

But they have many admirers in the gym who are too dumb to realise their only dedication is to injecting drugs.

I know loads of fellow runners who work hard and stay in great shape, and I admire them. But they are not doing it to look good, many won't set foot in gyms because they don't want to be surrounded by gym bunnies staring at themselves in mirrors and hogging machines. And it's certainly not the "ripped" shape they are aiming for anyway, their dedication is based on their sport, not their looks.

02-01-2017 7:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

As I said, the 3 best examples of being "ripped" around here are exceedingly dumb.

But they have many admirers in the gym who are too dumb to realise their only dedication is to injecting drugs.

I know loads of fellow runners who work hard and stay in great shape, and I admire them. But they are not doing it to look good, many won't set foot in gyms because they don't want to be surrounded by gym bunnies staring at themselves in mirrors and hogging machines. And it's certainly not the "ripped" shape they are aiming for anyway, their dedication is based on their sport, not their looks.

Fair enough. And as I said, dont generalise everyone who wants to achieve a defined physique and works hard to do so by their actions.

wakka12 · 02-01-2017 7:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

As I said, the 3 best examples of being "ripped" around here are exceedingly dumb.

But they have many admirers in the gym who are too dumb to realise their only dedication is to injecting drugs.

I know loads of fellow runners who work hard and stay in great shape, and I admire them. But they are not doing it to look good, many won't set foot in gyms because they don't want to be surrounded by gym bunnies staring at themselves in mirrors and hogging machines. And it's certainly not the "ripped" shape they are aiming for anyway, their dedication is based on their sport, not their looks.

If a guy is ripped and muscular, then he works hard in the gym. Regardless of steroid use. Do you think if a fat middle aged man starts taking steroids but continues to not exercise then he'll become ripped,because he wont

02-01-2017 8:00pm

wakka12 wrote: »

If a guy is ripped and muscular, then he works hard in the gym. Regardless of steroid use. Do you think if a fat middle aged man starts taking steroids but continues to not exercise then he'll become ripped,because he wont

Id imagine steroids are a supplement to training as opposed to a substitute and as you correctly point out they speed up the shredding process albeit with some side effects and risks

osarusan · 02-01-2017 8:04pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Do you think if a fat middle aged man starts taking steroids but continues to not exercise then he'll become ripped,because he wont

New Year's Resolution dead already.

whoopsadoodles · 02-01-2017 8:46pm

I don't really understand what's wrong with working out to look good?

cookiexx · 02-01-2017 8:47pm

I think good looking people will generally garner a quicker/better reception in public places, be responded to more etc than your average Joe. They won't be ignored readily in shops or in the work place, or in the dating world, and that in turn can lead to more professional and personal success.

There's a downside to that though. You'll also attract more shysters, messers, men who are players or women who are crazy, get hit on by more creeps and be scrutinised more in general - whether it's being criticised for your actions more, or people being catty and finding reasons to dislike you (as evidence in this thread and "all ripped men are dumb" comments)

I'm a woman and considered pretty, with a bit of effort I can be prettier and even at that, the level of attention is a bit much sometimes. People stare, men gawk, women look you up and down. I'd never want to be the person that walks into a room literally ANYWHERE and all eyes are on her, I've seen it with beautiful people and to my introverted sensibilities it looks like a horror show. You can never slip under the radar, keep a low profile or have a bad day or be a bit grumpy or ask a stupid question without that defining you.

Alpha_zero · 02-01-2017 8:58pm

cookiexx wrote: »

I think good looking people will generally garner a quicker/better reception in public places, be responded to more etc than your average Joe. They won't be ignored readily in shops or in the work place, or in the dating world, and that in turn can lead to more professional and personal success.

There's a downside to that though. You'll also attract more shysters, messers, men who are players or women who are crazy, get hit on by more creeps and be scrutinised more in general - whether it's being criticised for your actions more, or people being catty and finding reasons to dislike you (as evidence in this thread and "all ripped men are dumb" comments)

I'm a woman and considered pretty, with a bit of effort I can be prettier and even at that, the level of attention is a bit much sometimes. People stare, men gawk, women look you up and down. I'd never want to be the person that walks into a room literally ANYWHERE and all eyes are on her, I've seen it with beautiful people and to my introverted sensibilities it looks like a horror show. You can never slip under the radar, keep a low profile or have a bad day or be a bit grumpy or ask a stupid question without that defining you.

See it's true the beautiful people are the most persecuted.

wakka12 · 02-01-2017 9:08pm

cookiexx wrote: »

I think good looking people will generally garner a quicker/better reception in public places, be responded to more etc than your average Joe. They won't be ignored readily in shops or in the work place, or in the dating world, and that in turn can lead to more professional and personal success.

There's a downside to that though. You'll also attract more shysters, messers, men who are players or women who are crazy, get hit on by more creeps and be scrutinised more in general - whether it's being criticised for your actions more, or people being catty and finding reasons to dislike you (as evidence in this thread and "all ripped men are dumb" comments)

I'm a woman and considered pretty, with a bit of effort I can be prettier and even at that, the level of attention is a bit much sometimes. People stare, men gawk, women look you up and down. I'd never want to be the person that walks into a room literally ANYWHERE and all eyes are on her, I've seen it with beautiful people and to my introverted sensibilities it looks like a horror show. You can never slip under the radar, keep a low profile or have a bad day or be a bit grumpy or ask a stupid question without that defining you.

What are these supposed to mean? I have beautiful friends too lots of people tell them it all the time but their life seems very normal. Not as paprazzi as you're making it out ..

Do Very Good Looking people have it easier in life

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