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Woman and girl found alive after 15 hours in sea off coast

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  • #52
    Wanderer78
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    NIMAN wrote:
    To be fair God didn't save those in the water, but thats an argument for a different day.


    They could have, who knows, I was amazed but glad they were found


  • #53
    Field east
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    bodyguard1 wrote: »
    Absolutely delighted for the two women and their families and of course huge respect for all those involved in the rescue especially the Oliver father and son who pinpointed the area they would have drifted to given the weather conditions and wind speeds and brought them back safely which definitely deserves special recognition from the City Council and the National Water Safety Awards however I feel sorry for the 16 year old who jumped into the Boyne River to rescue two 11 year old boys who got into difficulty yesterday evening and was overshadowed by today's events. He is also deserving of recognition and a National Water Safety Bravery Award, it just highlights the dangers associated within our rivers and sea's around the country but thankfully both incidents had a happy ending for those involved.

    What a happy outcome for all in both situations.
    People do what they are capable of doing quiet often - sometimes putting their lives at a real risk. How to thank/reward them. Hard to know how to do it. Apart from some kind of an event to publicly acknowledge the action we can be kind and respectful to them going forward. BUT we should also be kind and respectful to all others who do what they are capable of doing and especially in trying/ dangerous circumstances , working very long hours,eg miners, bin collection men, anyone working underground ,farmers , doctors, nurses, fishermen, teachers, etc, etc, etc, etc.


  • #54
    check_six
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    The father of one of the ladies said that the rescue helicopter was very close to them on its search pattern last night. He said his daughter claimed they were only 50 metres from the helicopter at one point. It just goes to show just how difficult it is to spot people in the sea even when you have the advantage of infrared cameras, and navigation equipment that allows really precise search patterns.
    Great effort from all involved in the rescue search. Amazing clarity of thought from the two ladies too. They knew that they couldn't make land at the Cliffs of Moher, and when they felt that their efforts to make it to Inisheer were starting to fade they anchored themselves to the lobster pot marker. Panic could easily push someone into making a bad decision in far less dangerous circumstances.


  • #55
    Wanderer78
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    check_six wrote:
    The father of one of the ladies said that the rescue helicopter was very close to them on its search pattern last night. He said his daughter claimed they were only 50 metres from the helicopter at one point. It just goes to show just how difficult it is to spot people in the sea even when you have the advantage of infrared cameras, and navigation equipment that allows really precise search patterns. Great effort from all involved in the rescue search. Amazing clarity of thought from the two ladies too. They knew that they couldn't make land at the Cliffs of Moher, and when they felt that their efforts to make it to Inisheer were starting to fade they anchored themselves to the lobster pot marker. Panic could easily push someone into making a bad decision in far less dangerous circumstances.


    I could see myself making bad decisions under such circumstances, it's amazing they're alive


  • #56
    kippy
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    Great outcome.
    They kept level heads when things went against them. Great work by all involved in the search too.
    The sea is dangerous and it's important to be well aware of the risks and to keep a level head, like these girls did, when things unexpectedly go against you.


  • #57
    Storm 10
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    I know a guy in the Coastguard Helicopters, he said they cant use the heat seeking system when there is rain as nothing will show up, also very difficult to spot targets in the water in foggy and poor visibility from the air which they had yesterday, during the first night of searching the cloud was down on the deck with heavy rain and flashes of lightning which shows just what the Lifeboat and Coastguard crews had to deal with while they searched, they are very brave people. I would not be very happy searching in an open Lifeboat like the one in Galway with lightning hitting the water around me it takes some courage even when they go out in stormy conditions, we are very lucky to have people who when they get the call are prepared to put their lives on the line for others. I sincerely hope this incident will lead to an increase in donations to the RNLI.


  • #58
    owlbethere
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    gordongekko wrote: »
    hes 38

    This is very awkward now for me. When I read in the news or here yesterday, a fisherman and his son, I presumed it would be an older man for some reason. A man in his 50s or 60s for some reason. So when I saw the news last night of Patrick Oliver, the fisherman, I was taken aback by how young and great he looked.


  • #59
    owlbethere
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    Storm 10 wrote: »
    I know a guy in the Coastguard Helicopters, he said they cant use the heat seeking system when there is rain as nothing will show up, also very difficult to spot targets in the water in foggy and poor visibility from the air which they had yesterday, during the first night of searching the cloud was down on the deck with heavy rain and flashes of lightning which shows just what the Lifeboat and Coastguard crews had to deal with while they searched, they are very brave people. I would not be very happy searching in an open Lifeboat like the one in Galway with lightning hitting the water around me it takes some courage even when they go out in stormy conditions, we are very lucky to have people who when they get the call are prepared to put their lives on the line for others. I sincerely hope this incident will lead to an increase in donations to the RNLI.

    It was dry on land where I'm from in Connemara. That was at midnight the night before last, so Wednesday night. It was dry at 1am in the morning too. I don't know if it was raining out at sea though.


  • #60
    owlbethere
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    kippy wrote: »
    Great outcome.
    They kept level heads when things went against them. Great work by all involved in the search too.
    The sea is dangerous and it's important to be well aware of the risks and to keep a level head, like these girls did, when things unexpectedly go against you.

    They are fantastic ladies how they know what to do. I was told that they tied their boards together when they were drifting out, so that they wouldn't drifted apart.


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  • #61
    CrankyHaus
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    I would respectfully disagree, a model can be trained to do anything intuition can, in fact intuition is just your brains version of simulation.. anyway this isn't the thread for it


    A model is only as good as the information that goes into it.
    I'm not sure if there are computerised current and tidal models of Irish coastal waters as detailed and nuanced as the knowledge of a fisherman with decades of experience of his waters, who in turn would base his knowledge on that of older fishermen. No doubt eventually there may be, but who knows when?


  • #62
    whisky_galore
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    They won't do that again.


  • #63
    Wanderer78
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    They won't do that again.

    could happen many, never underestimate nature


  • #64
    listermint
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    This is one of the reasons i take sea safety quite seriously. Have a canoe and whenever im in it, its wet suit, life jacket and even bring a wet bag and stuff phone into it with some supplies.

    Have been looking into buying a SW Radio too. Theyre very inexpensive. I wont go into the sea at all without considering how powerful it is. You literally can do nothing to prevent some things so its best be prepped to contact people and or let them know when youll be back.


  • #65
    whisky_galore
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    could happen many, never underestimate nature

    It's great to play in the sea, too often people forget it can turn on you too.


  • #66
    Psychiatric Patrick
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    It's great to play in the sea, too often people forget it can turn on you too.

    Sailors refer to the sea in the feminine, don't they?


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  • #67
    TwoWheeledTim
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    I wonder when will we get to the point we can press a button and a fleet of drones will fly across the bay, photograph the surface and feed into an updated stitched image like Google maps satelite view. Then process the image to identify objects or initially simply crowd source it, let hundreds of people each review a small area.

    It should he possible soon. Earlier the same night Oranmore Civil Defence deployed a drone inland with heat sensors to help find a 15 year old that had gone missing after midnight.
    whisky_galore wrote: »
    They won't do that again.

    Any new paddle board listings on Adverts today yet?!


  • #68
    fits
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    TwoWheeledTim wrote: »
    I wonder when will we get to the point we can press a button and a fleet of drones will fly across the bay, photograph the surface and feed into an updated stitched image like Google maps satelite view. Then process the image to identify objects or initially simply crowd source it, let hundreds of people each review a small area.

    It should he possible soon. Earlier the same night Oranmore Civil Defence deployed a drone inland with heat sensors to help find a 15 year old that had gone missing after midnight.



    Any new paddle board listings on Adverts today yet?!

    Genuine question, can regular drones cope with Atlantic sea wind?


  • #69
    Atlantic Dawn
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    M


    Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »
    Sailors refer to the sea in the feminine, don't they?

    They also refer to boats as feminine :D

    22a84481f610f8abef0bea3be34ff744.jpg


  • #70
    Storm 10
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    It was dry on land where I'm from in Connemara. That was at midnight the night before last, so Wednesday night. It was dry at 1am in the morning too. I don't know if it was raining out at sea though.

    Relative who was on the Lifeboat said it was dry up to midnight but foggy, after that the rain came and by 3am it was very bad in the Bay the wind had also risen and then the Thunder and Lightning came which lasted for around an hour. Its always a different situation on sea and land in bad weather


  • #71
    NIMAN
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    one of them on RTE1 now


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  • #72
    riffmongous
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    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    A model is only as good as the information that goes into it.
    I'm not sure if there are computerised current and tidal models of Irish coastal waters as detailed and nuanced as the knowledge of a fisherman with decades of experience of his waters, who in turn would base his knowledge on that of older fishermen. No doubt eventually there may be, but who knows when?

    Same as intuition though, you change the base conditions or go to more complicated weather situations, longer time periods and your intuition will break down. Anyway i was just responding to a point that said "no model" can compete with intuition.

    I don't know if some people think I'm trying to take away from the fisherman, I'm definitely not. My original question was asked if the coastguard have anything they can use because I volunteer at an emergency response unit for chemical accidents and I know the different levels of models there are for first response and more advanced modelling, and if the coastguard have the capability to use anything similar for predicting currents


  • #73
    fits
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Same as intuition though, you change the base conditions or go to more complicated weather situations, longer time periods and your intuition will break down. Anyway i was just responding to a point that said "no model" can compete with intuition.

    *Intuition and experience*
    If you or I went out there our intuition would be useless.

    Also hard to have a model up and running in minutes that will accurately replicate the conditions of the time. Modelling sounds easy but takes considerable data and expertise to set up and interpret and its still a simplification of reality when it comes down to it.


  • #74
    CrankyHaus
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Same as intuition though, you change the base conditions or go to more complicated weather situations, longer time periods and your intuition will break down. Anyway i was just responding to a point that said "no model" can compete with intuition.

    I don't know if some people think I'm trying to take away from the fisherman, I'm definitely not. My original question was asked if the coastguard have anything they can use because I volunteer at an emergency response unit for chemical accidents and I know the different levels of models there are for first response and more advanced modelling, and if the coastguard have the capability to use anything similar for predicting currents


    No idea. But the Coast Guard's own recent experiences do highlight the problem with models only being as good as the information fed in. Personally I'd be chary about entirely trusting any computer model with my life unless I had confidence in the source of its raw data.



    The fishermen weren't going on intuition (knowledge obtained without recourse to conscious reasoning) either. They calculated an Estimated Position based on various factors, chiefly wind speed and direction, with reference to their own experience of the waters. That's a large part of how navigation used to be performed, and is still taught. The fact that they were dead right endorses their reasoning.


  • #75
    NUTLEY BOY
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    This definitely qualifies as "escape of the year 2020" given that it could so easily have been a desperate tragedy if one or two variable factors had gone against the casualties.

    My initial reaction was one of great relief for all concerned :).


  • #76
    beardybrewer
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    Here is the full account from 17yo Ellen Glynn:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0814/1159153-galway-rescue


  • #77
    Mysterypunter
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    Delighted they were rescued, they were needing a near miracle and it arrived in the shape of the fisherman, fair play to him.


  • #78
    Doctors room ghost
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    Mysterypunter wrote: »
    Delighted they were rescued, they were needing a near miracle and it arrived in the shape of the fisherman, fair play to him.





    The fisherman was interviewed this morning along with one of the girls father on the keith finnegan show on Galway bay fm.theres probably a pod cast on the Galway bay app for anyone interested.
    They were first on the show so easy to find


  • #79
    FixdePitchmark
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    listermint wrote: »
    This is one of the reasons i take sea safety quite seriously. Have a canoe and whenever im in it, its wet suit, life jacket and even bring a wet bag and stuff phone into it with some supplies.

    Have been looking into buying a SW Radio too. Theyre very inexpensive. I wont go into the sea at all without considering how powerful it is. You literally can do nothing to prevent some things so its best be prepped to contact people and or let them know when youll be back.

    I'm sorry if this is harsh - but this is it for me.

    They were in the Atlantic Ocean - one seemed very very inexperienced.


  • #80
    TwoWheeledTim
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    fits wrote: »
    Genuine question, can regular drones cope with Atlantic sea wind?

    I'm no expert on drones but I'd imagine many would handle the winds we had this week, but probably not a storm. High end consumer drones seem to handle moderate wind quite well, I assume the commercial drones can do even better with more power.


  • #81
    whisky_galore
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    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    I'm sorry if this is harsh - but this is it for me.

    They were in the Atlantic Ocean - one seemed very very inexperienced.

    With paddleboards, not much better than toys.


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  • #82
    thebackbar
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    TwoWheeledTim wrote: »
    I wonder when will we get to the point we can press a button and a fleet of drones will fly across the bay, photograph the surface and feed into an updated stitched image like Google maps satelite view. Then process the image to identify objects or initially simply crowd source it, let hundreds of people each review a small area.

    It should he possible soon. Earlier the same night Oranmore Civil Defence deployed a drone inland with heat sensors to help find a 15 year old that had gone missing after midnight.



    Any new paddle board listings on Adverts today yet?!


    Good idea but that technology seems a couple of years away.

    However you would wonder if technology could be used to help in searches like this, the RNLI sea search seemed to be very well organised. However the on foot search of the coast line yesterday seemed a bit haphazard. Surely technology could be used for

    * registering who was available to search in order to create groups
    * to record what areas were being searched, and had been searched.
    * communicating with search groups

    Ideally there should be a group that could coordinate these efforts, who have past experience of doing so.


  • #83
    downwesht
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    Delighted all safe and sound but I think that the rescue services should have a full and thorough investigation into their failure to locate the girls.Galway Bay isn't that big.......the wind was from one direction,the tide the same surely the heat seeking device on the helicopter could have picked them out....from a predicted search area.They were a big enough target on two boards,they weren't "heads in the water"......Major failure in my opinion......


  • #84
    ShamNNspace
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    Also there was a meeting at 9.30am to organise a search party, would have thought it would have been much earlier


  • #85
    hamburgham
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    With paddleboards, not much better than toys.


    And one of the mother's watching.


  • #86
    Storm 10
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    downwesht wrote: »
    Delighted all safe and sound but I think that the rescue services should have a full and thorough investigation into their failure to locate the girls.Galway Bay isn't that big.......the wind was from one direction,the tide the same surely the heat seeking device on the helicopter could have picked them out....from a predicted search area.They were a big enough target on two boards,they weren't "heads in the water"......Major failure in my opinion......

    Were you out there, I said it already they could not use their heat seeking due to the torrential rain it does not work in rain, there was low cloud thunder and lightning they were flying in terrible conditions, Galway Bay is full of currents they have to start out from the point of departure then spread it out as they search, its easy put words together from a key board


  • #87
    machiavellianme
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    fits wrote: »
    No model can replicate the intuition that comes from years of experience.

    We might as well give up on machine learning and AI so. Apparently no model will ever replace our gut feel and inclination, no matter how small the defined problem set is.


  • #88
    NIMAN
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    The girl interviewed on RTE this morning gave the impression that they weren't really panicked or scared.


  • #89
    Storm 10
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    One other thing they were getting calls from the public saying they thought they may be here there and everywhere, they had to go to these areas and check them out all time consuming, the important thing is they were found so lets all be grateful for that and for all involved .


  • #90
    fits
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    machiavellianme wrote: »
    We might as well give up on machine learning and AI so. Apparently no model will ever replace our gut feel and inclination, no matter how small the defined problem set is.

    Yes yes we should give up on all types of modelling and machine learning forever just because getting an accurate model Up and running showing how two paddle boarders could drift from a certain location given certain currents and wind conditions and their own behaviour in a timely manner is a little more difficult than most non modellers can understand.


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  • #91
    Wombatman
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    fits wrote: »
    No they can’t. Models always are a simplification Of real conditions.
    Models are useful In many instances alright. It depends on situation. However in this one experience and intuition won out.

    A model of Galway Bay already exists. It performs very well is search and rescue situations, which unfortunately usually involves recovering the bodies of suicide victims.

    https://www.bodc.ac.uk/resources/inventories/edmed/report/6519/


  • #92
    fits
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    Wombatman wrote: »
    A model of Galway Bay already exists. It performs very well is search and rescue situations, which unfortunately usually involves recovering the bodies of suicide victims.

    https://www.bodc.ac.uk/resources/inventories/edmed/report/6519/

    Was it in use yesterday?


  • #93
    Wombatman
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    Ellen's father Johnny Glynn is a legend of Galway soccer. He captained Galway United to an FAI Cup win where he scored the winning goal against Shamrock Rovers in the 1991.

    He is head of Football Development at Galway United and goes out of his way to help young kids get the most out of the game all over Galway. Overjoyed for him and his family.


  • #94
    Wombatman
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    fits wrote: »
    Was it in use yesterday?
    The Marine Institute ocean sciences staff are working on tide and current modelling to assist the search crews.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/two-women-found-alive-after-major-air-and-sea-search-in-galway-1013931.html


  • #95
    GalwayGrrrrrl
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    Still smiling at the news that the girls were found. I was interested to see that they usually paddle board at Silver strand beach but went to Furbo beach as the road to silver strand is closed (due to overcrowding). The girls were unfamiliar with Furbo beach. This, along with the sudden wind speed change, was a possible factor in the incident. Thank goodness they were found, very brave young ladies and huge thanks to all the search teams.


  • #96
    Tell me how
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    check_six wrote: »
    Great effort from all involved in the rescue search. Amazing clarity of thought from the two ladies too. They knew that they couldn't make land at the Cliffs of Moher, and when they felt that their efforts to make it to Inisheer were starting to fade they anchored themselves to the lobster pot marker. Panic could easily push someone into making a bad decision in far less dangerous circumstances.

    And apparently they took turns sleeping which was incredible given that A, they were able to consider it in their situation and B that they did so in a sensible manner with one always being awake to keep an eye out.

    Both the 2 girls and the 2 guys on the boat should be involved in educational videos/lessons on water safety, staying calm in a crisis and search and rescue.

    Really positive story all round in the middle of 2020.


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  • #97
    TwoWheeledTim
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    fits wrote: »
    Was it in use yesterday?

    "The Marine Institute ocean sciences staff are working on tide and current modelling to assist the search crews."

    Works well for predicting the outflow from Mutton Island before it leaves the bay or for a body in the water.

    But I don't think they're ready yet for an inflatable paddle board sitting on the surface - they were pushed mostly by the NE wind.

    It was interesting to see thay the Olivers' boat was also quite lightweight with a good area for catching the wind... they'd be familiar with drifting off position from the wind when pulling up pots.


  • #98
    Rob A. Bank
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    GalwayGrrrrrl wrote: »
    Still smiling at the news that the girls were found. I was interested to see that they usually paddle board at Silver strand beach but went to Furbo beach as the road to silver strand is closed (due to overcrowding). The girls were unfamiliar with Furbo beach. This, along with the sudden wind speed change, was a possible factor in the incident. Thank goodness they were found, very brave young ladies and huge thanks to all the search teams.

    Having had a bit of experience sailing... the offshore wind can really catch the unwary out. It seems calm where you are sheltered by the land and the water near the shore may be as flat as a millpond, but the farther out you go the worse the conditions get.

    You also cannot judge the wave height because you are looking at the waves from 'behind' and also the wind can be squally as it blows from the land over the water. When paddling with the wind at their backs, the relative wind probably seemed quite benign. But when they turned around to face the strong squally northerly wind, it had pushed these girls beyond the point of no return to land.

    Fair dues to the Olivers and the young ladies for not panicking in a very stressful situation.

    This bit of great news is good for the soul.


  • #99
    beardybrewer
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    Rob you might know as some pointed out they were possibly inexperienced and at least unfamiliar with Furbo. Where would one inform themselves on what beaches are safe for that type of activity or surfing?

    In fairness to them when I think of Furbo I think of it being in the bay, sheltered, and shallow enough to be kid friendly. Obviously once you go beyond the sand bank and get out there it can change quick.


  • #100
    Rob A. Bank
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    beardybrewer wrote: »
    Rob you might know as some pointed out they were possibly inexperienced and at least unfamiliar with Furbo. Where would one inform themselves on what beaches are safe for that type of activity or surfing?

    In fairness to them when I think of Furbo I think of it being in the bay, sheltered, and shallow enough to be kid friendly. Obviously once you go beyond the sand bank and get out there it can change quick.

    Agreed... Furbo is a safe sheltered beach for swimming ... It is also wise to paddle along the shore rather than going straight out, in an area that is unfamiliar to you


  • #101
    fits
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    beardybrewer wrote: »
    Rob you might know as some pointed out they were possibly inexperienced and at least unfamiliar with Furbo. k.

    Their ability to keep cool heads points to some experience imo. I’m not sure they are getting enough credit for it. It’s an amazing survival story.


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