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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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  • #52
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,141 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    blinding wrote: »
    Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

    The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

    The UK has gotten out just in time .

    there is no EU army. it was an idea put forward but has got no further then being an idea. it will require all members to vote for it, which may not happen, and which probably won't happen.
    britain's military have been working with all other EU militaries, which themselves have been working with each other, for years if not decades.
    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Hope you don't buy all you say.

    The Irish believe anything, we are very needy as a nation and deeply insecure. We support the EU blindly like the local GAA team just because we are in it. It will change the other way drastically if we left.

    THe EU Economy has stalled and has been a very long while, which is why the UK left to find where the action was at. Projections including the IMF has the UK as Europes biggest economy in years to come.

    ireland supports the EU because the benefits of it are already there to see. most if not all of our infrastructure such as motor ways were funded either in full or part by the EU.
    it is brexit supporters who believe everything and anything in my experience.
    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.

    UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.

    Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.

    more bluster not backed up by reality, i'm afraid. the EU is the one in control, it is the one who holds all the cards. britain is the faultering nation with nothing to offer that couldn't be got within the rest of the european union, or if needs be, moved to another european member from britain.


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The EU talking up and army is comedy gold. They may try but never will have an army of note.

    The UK and it's allies wouldn't have to worry about any EU army ever, it will never ben allowed to be a threat in capacity.


    in the event an EU army did happen, britain will be able to do nothing about it.
    it can't even build ships to take it's aircraft or god sake.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #53
    PeadarCo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.

    UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.

    Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.

    If the UK would be just fine without the EU why has it taken the UK 3 years to leave?

    The UK is completely confused and that's not just newspaper headlines it's words coming out of UK government ministers mouths including BJs.

    You though point out how great is for the Boris to be the UKs PM from the EUs point of view. Given his fan base ignores pretty much everything he can get away with a huge amount. Or put it another way you are looking at a politician that could potentially get a BRINO style trade agreement accepted by hard Brexiters because he is Boris. The withdrawal agreement is a case in point. It worse than May's deal but you as an example don't care. It appears if Boris says its good it has to be good.

    Remember the EU has been in control since the minute the vote was announced and the economic calculus doesn't change with Boris in charge. However the political situation has changed. If Boris keeps doing what he has been doing he'll do a lot of huffing and puffing to appease his base and then agree to a BRINO style deal and then declare victory. And since it's Boris says it's a victory it has to be one regardless of the detail. While this might sound optimistic it's exactly what happened with the withdrawal agreement.


  • #54
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    I can't believe you mentioned the referendums, we should be deeply ashamed about them being ignored.

    Tax, will turn on the news, it's coming to an end, it's the hottest topic and Ireland is in the cross hairs.

    By the way, where is that apple money?
    I mentioned it as it contradicts your point.

    But then, having engaged with you before, you don’t seem to have a solid point, just a hellbent desire to labour that
    EU = bad, UK = good.
    EU = doomed, UK = bound for overwhelming success.

    But you offer no substance, no evidence, no credible base to your posts. Ever.

    And when called out on something you conveniently skip past only to re-make the same claim several pages later.


  • #55
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭fash


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Polls? There was an election in 2017 where all the main parties said they would respect the vote, they didn't and they were wiped out for it in 2019.

    Polls, give me strength
    What are you talking about?! The UK is a "democracy" in name only - a system perverted and distorted by its antiquated first past the post system so that minorities rule the place. The Tories barely got 40% of the vote (similar to brexiter votes)- yet are able to ignore the will of the people (as the brexiters do). Again why do you hate democracy so much? What should democrats do with people like you who hate democracy so much?


  • #56
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭fash


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.
    .
    Literally the first thing he did was collapse to his knees and start sucking - he literally cut the UK in two at the EU's demand - and gave the EU everything it asked for. If you think that was "kicking the EU around", I'd hate to imagine what has happened to you in your life.


    .
    UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.
    It is literally doing whatever the EU wants without any input for the next 11-23 months at least - and NI has been permanently and unconditionally surrendered to the power of the ECJ and CU/SM. Again, what has happened to you to in your life that you think of that as a "victory" - did it involve some grown ups? Some fellow class mates?
    Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.
    it's interesting that you have to ridicule the extent of the job losses and economic losses caused by brexit by a factor of over 300 to feel good about it. Wasn't brexit supposed to bring economic benefits? Where are they now?


  • #57
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Haven't posted this in a while
    https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/


    Less than a week until

    tenor.png


  • #58
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    fash wrote: »
    it's interesting that you have to ridicule the extent of the job losses and economic losses caused by brexit by a factor of over 300 to feel good about it. Wasn't brexit supposed to bring economic benefits? Where are they now?

    It's also important to note that Brexit has not happened yet.

    When borders close and we have queues of trucks at the tunnel and ports, then we'll see the true effects.


  • #59
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    biko wrote: »
    Haven't posted this in a while
    https://interactive.news.sky.com/2017/brexit-countdown/


    Less than a week until

    tenor.png

    Less than a year until...


  • #60
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Less than a year until...
    Donald is Back Again !


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  • #61
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Less than a year until...

    ...they ask for an extension.


  • #62
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Daddy isn't going to save the Brexit-babes from the monsters. Daddy is the monster.

    'Trump is threatening a damaging new trade war with the United Kingdom after Brexit'

    insider.com

    This is exactly why the EU is needed in Europe. We need a centralised sovereignty-pooling body to offset other powerful centralised blocs/countries. This is the World we live in.


  • #63
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    Just poach their business and leave them to enjoy their Tory nirvana. In time the north will join the rest of us. FF and FG will have to realise that their duopoly is finished, a good thing.


  • #64
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    fash wrote: »
    Literally the first thing he did was collapse to his knees and start sucking - he literally cut the UK in two at the EU's demand - and gave the EU everything it asked for. If you think that was "kicking the EU around", I'd hate to imagine what has happened to you in your life.


    .
    It is literally doing whatever the EU wants without any input for the next 11-23 months at least - and NI has been permanently and unconditionally surrendered to the power of the ECJ and CU/SM. Again, what has happened to you to in your life that you think of that as a "victory" - did it involve some grown ups? Some fellow class mates?

    it's interesting that you have to ridicule the extent of the job losses and economic losses caused by brexit by a factor of over 300 to feel good about it. Wasn't brexit supposed to bring economic benefits? Where are they now?

    Stop being so hysterically nuts. The very fact we have page upon page here in another country about the UK and will continue to do so is because it is the EU lovers who are so b$$$ hurt.

    That post you just made and your poor efforts to try to see it different proves it.

    The UK has left, you need to accept it and get over it, but you won't as you are hurt bad over it.

    The more the non british obsess about this the more it is 100% right.


  • #65
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    Just poach their business and leave them to enjoy their Tory nirvana. In time the north will join the rest of us. FF and FG will have to realise that their duopoly is finished, a good thing.

    I't been years now, can someone actually try to do this in a meaningful way?


  • #66
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Stop being so hysterically nuts. The very fact we have page upon page here in another country about the UK and will continue to do so is because it is the EU lovers who are so b$$$ hurt.

    That post you just made and your poor efforts to try to see it different proves it.

    The UK has left, you need to accept it and get over it, but you won't as you are hurt bad over it.

    The more the non british obsess about this the more it is 100% right.
    The just can’t get over being dumped and have now decided to stalk the Uk . The UK have actually forgotten that they exist as of course will the Eu.:eek:


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  • #67
    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    I't been years now, can someone actually try to do this in a meaningful way?
    In products or sectors where the UK diverges from EU standards, that opens up opportunities. Step back from the political fighting, recognise the new reality and take it from there.


  • #68
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    fash wrote: »
    What are you talking about?! The UK is a "democracy" in name only - a system perverted and distorted by its antiquated first past the post system so that minorities rule the place. The Tories barely got 40% of the vote (similar to brexiter votes)- yet are able to ignore the will of the people (as the brexiters do). Again why do you hate democracy so much? What should democrats do with people like you who hate democracy so much?

    A democracy in name only? Why didn't Labour change the FPTP system when Tony Blair was in power? They weren't complaining about it back then.

    The FPTP system is the democratically accepted system in the UK - the only time you hear ppl moaning about it is when they loose. The Tory's got 43.6% actually - not 'barely' 40.

    If one party gets 40% and 3 other party's get 20% each, and the 3 party's went into coalition - the county would be run by 3 minority party's. How could that be right.

    The Brexit ref result wasn't 40% it was 52%. That seems like a majority to me - unless your counting votes that weren't cast as NO votes - which would be a rather odd way of looking at it, if not surprising, as remainers have been quite inventive at raising objections.

    As as for your earlier suggestion that ref's should only deamed to have won by reaching 60% - that's fine. If there is another ref in the future to return to the EU you would have to reach 60%. 59.9% wouldn't cut it. :D


  • #69
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    AllForIt wrote: »
    A democracy in name only? Why didn't Labour change the FPTP system when Tony Blair was in power? They weren't complaining about it back then.

    The FPTP system is the democratically accepted system in the UK - the only time you hear ppl moaning about it is when they loose. The Tory's got 43.6% actually - not 'barely' 40.

    If one party gets 40% and 3 other party's get 20% each, and the 3 party's went into coalition - the county would be run by 3 minority party's. How could that be right.

    The Brexit ref result wasn't 40% it was 52%. That seems like a majority to me - unless your counting votes that weren't cast as NO votes - which would be a rather odd way of looking at it, if not surprising, as remainers have been quite inventive at raising objections.

    As as for your earlier suggestion that ref's should only deamed to have won by reaching 60% - that's fine. If there is another ref in the future to return to the EU you would have to reach 60%. 59.9% wouldn't cut it. :D
    Fantastic Post . Just Fantastic .


  • #70
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Stop being so hysterically nuts. The very fact we have page upon page here in another country about the UK and will continue to do so is because it is the EU lovers who are so b$$$ hurt.

    I don't see any EU lovers and I don't see anyone being butt hurt. I see people who think membership of the EU is a good thing, and I see people who think the UK's particular way of exiting has been a wandering farce.

    We're talking about it in another country because it affects us. It affects parts of Ireland more than it does anyone in Great Britain.


  • #71
    RasTa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    They better let me bring tobacco back from Spain next month.

    £20 for 50g v €9 in Barcelona


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  • #72
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I don't see any EU lovers and I don't see anyone being butt hurt. I see people who think membership of the EU is a good thing, and I see people who think the UK's particular way of exiting has been a wandering farce.

    We're talking about it in another country because it affects us. It affects parts of Ireland more than it does anyone in Great Britain.

    I think the brexiters here are a bit fanatic. And they think we care to the same levels.
    There are about 3 or 4 Brexit supporters on this thread and then they post that the existence of loads of pages is because we're fanatic. Go back 3 or 4 pages and count the posts by each user to get an example of what I mean.
    They're are loads of pages but not loads of unique posters.

    Of course we're interested. It affects us and when totally idiotic posts appear in this thread we try and correct the rubbish. But like all fanatics, they ignore for a few pages and then post the same crap again as if it was for the first time ever.


  • #73
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,544 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    I think the brexiters here are a bit fanatic. And they think we care to the same levels.
    There are about 3 or 4 Brexit supporters on this thread and then they post that the existence of loads of pages is because we're fanatic. Go back 3 or 4 pages and count the posts by each user to get an example of what I mean.

    Of course we're interested. It affects us and when totally idiotic posts appear in this thread we try and correct the rubbish. But like all fanatics, they ignore for a few pages and then post the same crap again as if it was for the first time ever.

    The posters on here and the nonsense they're spouting is more about them trying to convince themselves that everything's going well and will be fine from here on in. It's just delusional shouting into the void.

    As far as interest goes, Brexit sure is interesting. But interesting from the POV that it's astonishing that a nation could shoot itself in the foot so badly and all based on spoofery from millionaire business owners and Eton Oxbridge millionaires who want less regulations to deal with.

    What's most hilarious about it all is this idea that any other trade deals with countries outside the EU will be free of any constraints whatsoever, or that the likes of America will come to some sort of rescue.

    Incredible stuff altogether.


  • #74
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    PeadarCo wrote: »
    If the UK would be just fine without the EU why has it taken the UK 3 years to leave?
    In fairness two of those years are mandated by EU treaty.


  • #75
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,754 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    In fairness two of those years are mandated by EU treaty.

    Not true. The period was limited to 2 years, which was extended by the EU as the UK weren't even remotely ready on their side, but there was nothing stopping the UK leaving at any point once a deal, or indeed no deal, was the agreed option.


  • #76
    branie2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    We're almost there now


  • #77
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,561 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    branie2 wrote: »
    We're almost there now

    Afraid not. All that'll happen is that it'll start on Friday. That's it. Then we've a year long transition period at the very least while the UK learns how powerless it is compared to the EU.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #78
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Afraid not. All that'll happen is that it'll start on Friday. That's it. Then we've a year long transition period at the very least while the UK learns how powerless it is compared to the EU.


    Ahh stop will you...there will be a chartered jet taking the top brass from Brussels to London on Friday evening to ask Boris what he wants in the trade agreement, when they are there they will accept everything else he wants. Europe cannot survive without the might of the UK economy, nor can it compete with it. Only way for Europe to survive will be to put whatever Boris wants in a contract, to say yes and amen to everything. Sure dont we all know.....the UK dont need Europe, its only a hinderness to their great plan for the future.


    God love their foolish ideas.....


  • #79
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    Ahh stop will you...there will be a chartered jet taking the top brass from Brussels to London on Friday evening to ask Boris what he wants in the trade agreement, when they are there they will accept everything else he wants. Europe cannot survive without the might of the UK economy, nor can it compete with it. Only way for Europe to survive will be to put whatever Boris wants in a contract, to say yes and amen to everything. Sure dont we all know.....the UK dont need Europe, its only a hinderness to their great plan for the future.


    God love their foolish ideas.....

    Mock you may but the post you were responding too has a delusionary idea of the EU being powerful.

    It's amazing that people think the EU has power and influence when in fact it has never in it's history been shown to have either. People can just cite the size due to it's expanding membership of Romania and co.

    The EU has no international clout, UK, France Germany, Poland , Italy have some, the EU doesn't.


  • #80
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Afraid not. All that'll happen is that it'll start on Friday. That's it. Then we've a year long transition period at the very least while the UK learns how powerless it is compared to the EU.

    The EU doesn't have power. It's a mix of faded former colonial powers and some tiny nations that can't even muster a foriegn policy or an army between them.

    They have no power, hard or soft. I would say GCHQ knows more about what goes in their own governments then they do.

    Joke shop of a union.


  • #81
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The EU talking up and army is comedy gold. They may try but never will have an army of note.

    The UK and it's allies wouldn't have to worry about any EU army ever, it will never ben allowed to be a threat in capacity.
    cryptocurrency wrote:
    Between this and the Army talk the EU is getting dangerous. I hope Washington and London are talking about to to nip this who thing in the bud

    (Source = https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108696713&postcount=6136 )
    Another day, another double speak statement by crypto.

    So which is it then - the EU army concept is dangerous or the EU army concept is a joke? Seems before when Brexit was hanging in the balance it was dangerous, almost like Brexit had to happen to prevent it - but now Mr Johnson has a WA through it was all just a silly joke really?

    So: Which statement is correct? Danger or joke?


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  • #82
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Mock you may but the post you were responding too has a delusionary idea of the EU being powerful.

    It's amazing that people think the EU has power and influence when in fact it has never in it's history been shown to have either. People can just cite the size due to it's expanding membership of Romania and co.

    The EU has no international clout, UK, France Germany, Poland , Italy have some, the EU doesn't.


    Germany has the worlds second biggest export market if I am not mistaken, definately bigger than the UK, combined with the other EU member states and it makes the UK irrelevant. What has the UK to offer the world that it really needs or that it cannot produce itself?? Answer me that....



    This is not 2 lads out on a Friday night fighting about who has the biggest bit of tackle.

    The idea of the EU is freedom of movement, trade and a common framework for law etc. Now if I was a British citizen I would be very worried at the idea of Mogg and Boris writing laws or indeed going out to get trade deals. They have proven nothing to date, except that they can block an EU deal taken home by T. May and then eventually sign it once in power.


    How will UK citizens react to the following:
    1. The EU insist on visa applications when you are going on your jollies??
    2. Where will food, car parts etc. come from if the EU stop trade??
    3. What happens to the UK expats living in the south of Spain when they cant get medical help in hospitals??
    The list goes on....


  • #83
    KildareP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The EU doesn't have power. It's a mix of faded former colonial powers and some tiny nations that can't even muster a foriegn policy or an army between them.

    They have no power, hard or soft. I would say GCHQ knows more about what goes in their own governments then they do.

    Joke shop of a union.

    Funny. You could apply that same statement to the "United" Kingdom.

    Except the tiny nations are prevented from having power, hard or soft, prevented from having foreign policies of their own.

    No more a symbolic statement than three of the four nations of said "United" Kingdom rejecting the WA bill - but essentially having absolutely zero influence on the outcome because Westminster overrules all.

    Bit rich - if not ironic beyond belief - to be labelling other unions a joke then, is it not?


  • #84
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,544 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


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  • #85
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    blinding wrote: »
    Scotland , well some Scottish people call themselves a country. Yet only a few years ago they rejected the chance to become an Independent Country. I suggest the Scottish hurry up and Vote themselves into being an Independent Nation State. They certainly cannot be taken seriously as an Independent Nation state until they do so.

    Northern Ireland. The sooner it votes to leave the Uk the better. What’s stopping it.

    About £10 billion per year and approx half the population.


  • #86
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Then we've a year long transition period at the very least while the UK learns how powerless it is compared to the EU.
    You and others have been telling us how powerless and wrong and all the other things they have been for almost 4 years now.

    I think you may have been wrong on most if not all of them so far. Keep it up.

    You going to unroll the flag next week at Dover?


  • #87
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »


    How will UK citizens react to the following:
    1. The EU insist on visa applications when you are going on your jollies?? To holiday in other places in the world of which there are many.

    2. Where will food, car parts etc. come from if the EU stop trade?? Similar to above.

    3. What happens to the UK expats living in the south of Spain when they cant get medical help in hospitals?? they fiy home or take out insurance as most people do here.

    The list goes on....I know after 4 years it is incredably tedious to log in to these threads and see the same people spouting the same doom about another country while their own is teetering on the edge of the abyss.


  • #88
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    About £10 billion per year and approx half the population.
    But sure ye Eu-Philes think they all love ye, and of course ye are chomping at the bit to pay the £10 Billion or is it £12 Billion.

    Ye should offer to pay it for 10 years before Irish Re-unifaiction just to show how great Eu-philia is ! !;)


  • #89
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Irishmale0399 wrote: »


    How will UK citizens react to the following:
    1. The EU insist on visa applications when you are going on your jollies?? To holiday in other places in the world of which there are many.

    2. Where will food, car parts etc. come from if the EU stop trade?? Similar to above.

    3. What happens to the UK expats living in the south of Spain when they cant get medical help in hospitals?? they fiy home or take out insurance as most people do here.

    The list goes on....I know after 4 years it is incredably tedious to log in to these threads and see the same people spouting the same doom about another country while their own is teetering on the edge of the abyss.


    I am looking forward to seeing if your ideas become reality. I cannot see it being as straight forward as you think. This is going to get interesting when the normal Joe Soap realises how he is personally effected.


    So what have the UK got to offer at the table with the EU when it comes to doing trade deals??? How have they got the EU over a barrel??


  • #90
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Irishmale0399 wrote: »


    How will UK citizens react to the following:
    1. The EU insist on visa applications when you are going on your jollies?? To holiday in other places in the world of which there are many.

    2. Where will food, car parts etc. come from if the EU stop trade?? Similar to above.

    3. What happens to the UK expats living in the south of Spain when they cant get medical help in hospitals?? they fiy home or take out insurance as most people do here.

    The list goes on....I know after 4 years it is incredably tedious to log in to these threads and see the same people spouting the same doom about another country while their own is teetering on the edge of the abyss.
    They think the Brits are thinking about them , when the Brits hardly know they exist !


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  • #91
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    Boredstiff666 wrote: »


    I am looking forward to seeing if your ideas become reality. I cannot see it being as straight forward as you think. This is going to get interesting when the normal Joe Soap realises how he is personally effected.


    So what have the UK got to offer at the table with the EU when it comes to doing trade deals??? How have they got the EU over a barrel??

    I have never said its straight forward but its you and the like have said for 4 years its the end of the world for UK and so far you have been very consistantly .....wrong........so work away. It gives you a hobby any way.


  • #92
    deceit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭deceit


    You would expect with the IMF expecting the UK economy to grow after Brexit now (They were doom Sayers until it was a certainty then changed their tune) and with Germany expected to go into a recession this year (I live in Germany BTW), if this is correct the UK holds all the cards. You would expect Germany will struggle to cover the hole in EU funds after the UK leaves also, especially if its a hard Brexit.
    Germany narrowly missed a recession in 2019 which is why they've been trying hard to keep the UK in as they know how badly it will affect them.
    Germany's plan to import younger people from other countries didn't work as expected as they don't have the skills to work in most of the jobs in Germany which hurt their economy rather than helped.


  • #93
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    Irishmale0399 wrote: »

    I have never said its straight forward but its you and the like have said for 4 years its the end of the world for UK and so far you have been very consistantly .....wrong........so work away. It gives you a hobby any way.


    Where have I been wrong?? I have consistantly asked the question....what do the UK have to take to the table when doing a trade deal with the EU?? How are they going to force the EUs hand??? What makes them think that they will have power in that meeting??



    Time for people to take the blinkers off and see it as it is. The UK have very little by way of production or services that the EU cannot provide for itself from within the EU. Add to that the number of British and Northern Ireland citizens who scrambled to get an Irish or other EU passport over the last 12-24 months and I think you will see a lot of people see the benifits of the EU.


  • #94
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    deceit wrote: »
    You would expect with the IMF expecting the UK economy to grow after Brexit now (They were doom Sayers until it was a certainty then changed their tune) and with Germany expected to go into a recession this year (I live in Germany BTW), if this is correct the UK holds all the cards. You would expect Germany will struggle to cover the hole in EU funds after the UK leaves also, especially if its a hard Brexit.
    Germany narrowly missed a recession in 2019 which is why they've been trying hard to keep the UK in as they know how badly it will affect them.
    Germany's plan to import younger people from other countries didn't work as expected as they don't have the skills to work in most of the jobs in Germany which hurt their economy rather than helped.

    Together with all the cash which you will not get from the UK and believe it or the other EU countries like Ireland think you are going to pay for them.

    Together with Merkal and others making an arch enemy of the USA who will of course prefer to deal with the UK and are in the process of doing now.

    Together with you now have a unstable and very volatile powerful enemy on your front door all of your own making and there's nothing like an ex-wife for making your life hell.


  • #95
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    Boredstiff666 wrote: »


    Where have I been wrong?? I have consistantly asked the question....what do the UK have to take to the table when doing a trade deal with the EU?? How are they going to force the EUs hand??? What makes them think that they will have power in that meeting??



    Time for people to take the blinkers off and see it as it is. The UK have very little by way of production or services that the EU cannot provide for itself from within the EU. Add to that the number of British and Northern Ireland citizens who scrambled to get an Irish or other EU passport over the last 12-24 months and I think you will see a lot of people see the benifits of the EU.

    Then you must be right then.........only i wont be taking any advice from you.


  • #96
    Irishmale0399
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    1. Together with all the cash which you will not get from the UK and believe it or the other EU countries like Ireland think you are going to pay for them.

    2. Together with Merkal and others making an arch enemy of the USA who will of course prefer to deal with the UK and are in the process of doing now.

    3. Together with you now have a unstable and very volatile powerful enemy on your front door all of your own making and there's nothing like an ex-wife for making your life hell.


    1. Who will lose more?? UK or Europe??? Last time I looked it was the UK.


    2. You do realise Merkel is leaving her position?? You also realise it is highly likely she will be replaced by Friedrich Merz...a very American friendly investment fund manager.


    3. Its remains to be seem if the UK will be powerful.....could yet end up like the ex wife who cries her maintanance isnt enough to survive on and her looks are gone so she cant get the next fool to finance her. Gave the best years of her life to the wrong cause....


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  • #97
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    blinding wrote: »
    Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

    The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

    The UK has gotten out just in time .

    Brexiters just as deluded as ever it seems. This is pathetic stuff.


  • #98
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    blinding wrote: »
    They think the Brits are thinking about them , when the Brits hardly know they exist !

    Why do you think that? Where are you from Blinding?
    The Irish know that the Brits are not that educated about Ireland. Half the time a lot of them couldn't tell you if Ireland was part of the UK or a seperate country.

    It's a common theme on this thread. The Brexiters seem to think that we care more about the UK than we do.

    We don't want the UK to leave because we know it'll affect Ireland hugely.
    We also don't get the UK media as much over here so we haven't been brainwashed against the EU for the last 40 years. We don't think the EU is perfect but no system is. We're just not stupid enough to throw out all of the good parts because we're not happy with 5% of it.


  • #99
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Brexiters just as deluded as ever it seems. This is pathetic stuff.

    its got nowt to do with being a Brexiteer or being a remainer.

    Its got to do with what will happen afterwards. Which is basically unless there is a deal immediately you will find all hell will brak loose and at the same time there will be strong forces externally who will make sure a deal isnt done straight away because it will be to their advantage.

    Thats why the EU is so weak........got nowt to do with UK.


  • #100
    Boredstiff666
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Irishmale0399 wrote: »
    1. Who will lose more?? UK or Europe??? Last time I looked it was the UK.


    2. You do realise Merkel is leaving her position?? You also realise it is highly likely she will be replaced by Friedrich Merz...a very American friendly investment fund manager.


    3. Its remains to be seem if the UK will be powerful.....could yet end up like the ex wife who cries her maintanance isnt enough to survive on and her looks are gone so she cant get the next fool to finance her. Gave the best years of her life to the wrong cause....

    Right on brother your so correct in everything.


  • #101
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Boredstiff666 wrote: »
    its got nowt to do with being a Brexiteer or being a remainer.

    Its got to do with what will happen afterwards. Which is basically unless there is a deal immediately you will find all hell will brak loose and at the same time there will be strong forces externally who will make sure a deal isnt done straight away because it will be to their advantage.

    Thats why the EU is so weak........got nowt to do with UK.

    There won't be a deal done quick - I agree, actually anybody with any sense agrees with that, it'd be a miracle for a trade deal sufficient for the UKs needs were done in the next few months. The EU has said this already. It shouldn't be thought of as a conspiracy.
    Look at the negotiation for the WA. That was meant to be the easy part. And it's nothing to do with "external forces". There are 27 countries that have to agree the deal. Many of them will have differing requirements.
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    .
    .
    Therefore the EU is weak.

    Can you fill in the gaps there?


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