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Booing the knee *Mod Note in Post 1232 and OP*

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    #92
    MrMusician18
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    Not that much I would say, especially if that player explained their reasons not to do so.

    I dunno, they can be fairly intolerant over there if you refuse to wear the poppy.


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    #93
    dd973
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    England fans: "keep politics out of football"

    Also England fans: "There were 10 German bombers in the air..."
    "No surrender to the IRA..."

    Went to the Friendly at Wembley back in May 2013, there were a group of London sounding England fans on the Met Tube line standing near me, I couldn't for the life of me believe how thick they were, it was truly next level thickness, the sort of dialogue and banter that makes you wonder 'Jesus, these guys were supposedly born and reared in an Alpha World City in a First World country?'.:confused:


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    #94
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,102 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Ever hear of James McClean?

    The people booing McClean are the exact same ones booing the 'knee' gesture.


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    #95
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    Bobblehats wrote: »
    How can you claim that?!

    https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1401188262937612306?s=1

    I'm not claiming anything, it's been explained many times why they are doing it. The motives of those that continue to boo cannot be confused or explained away anymore.


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    #96
    [Deleted User]
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    The people booing McClean are the exact same ones booing the 'knee' gesture.

    the difference is the reaction. Wheres the official support for Mcclean.


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    #97
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,248 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Strazdas wrote: »
    The people booing McClean are the exact same ones booing the 'knee' gesture.

    There is some overlap tbf but the poppy does have broader more respectable support too.


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    #98
    Bobeagleburger
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    The people booing McClean are the exact same ones booing the 'knee' gesture.

    Exactly. England is full of those types of 'fans' tbh. They have a long history of it. Brexit supporters no doubt :)


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    #99
    AdrianG08
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    It's all a PR exercise at this stage. John Barnes articulates it best. Sky had him on a while back and applauded sky for their gesture but then proceeded to fillet them about how it was lip service.

    Philanthropy and social justice causes are the new form of marketing pretty much, the likes of Sky pleading with people to 'kick it out' and 'we're all in' just smacks of token gestures.

    Actually think it's better to let these racist morons be heard in public, better to hear them express themselves as fools then to have them contain it in silence as be presumed to be respectable.

    Social media is a cesspit too, players want to be in a bubble of positivity. No excuse for racially abusing someone online, it's vile but these players want to flog their wares on it in peace that's the issue.

    We are hearing non racial stuff, players crying over their mental health suffering because some lads in their bedrooms criticised their performance over zealously, good Lord. Get off social media if you cannot hack it. But they won't do that as they prefer to get paid 25k per Twitter post, and ideally would prefer to do it without the hassle.

    Look at Tubridy, quit Twitter because of dogs abuse he gets. Until people agree to 'be kind to each other' in other words, blow smoke up his hole, he won't be back. That's the thin skin age we live in.


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    #100
    SupaCat95
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    BLM is a radical reactionary group that participate in acts that could be described as terror (riots etc. In the US)

    Its a bit like say you are in Sinn Fein but dont support the IRA.


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    #101
    Rothko
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    Effects wrote: »
    "Tell me you're racist, without telling me you're racist."

    Shameful comment.


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    #102
    John Doe1
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    Whats the end goal of this "taking a knee" thing exactly? The end of racism?

    Seeing as tribalism is part of human nature, it could be a case that when Mars-chester United play Alpha Centauri Arsenal in the 2320 Universal Super League Final, there will be still players taking the knee...but sure the main thing is that people are seen on all social media platforms to be giving the illusion of doing something


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    #103
    [Deleted User]
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    6 wrote: »
    It seems to be the go to argument against the gesture.

    Basically, people aren't willing to own their views.

    I'd respect someone's opinion more if they admitted they didn't actually like racism being highlighted. However, you'll see people all over social media cowardly not owning their opinion.

    It's terrible when people make generalisations about people....

    6 wrote: »
    Exactly. England is full of those types of 'fans' tbh. They have a long history of it. Brexit supporters no doubt :)


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    #104
    Bobeagleburger
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's terrible when people make generalisations about people....

    It's hardly a generalisation. It's a fact.

    Racism and football in England have had links for as long as I've followed it. Not as bad now as it was in the 70s and 80s mind.


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    #105
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Of course it should be booed. BLM is a Marxist political movement not an anti racism movement. Politics has no place in sport. F1 drivers apart from that asshole Lewis Hamilton are dead right not taking the knee don't why footballers can't do the same.


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    #106
    MrMusician18
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    6 wrote: »
    It's hardly a generalisation. It's a fact.

    Racism and football in England have had links for as long as I've followed it. Not as bad now as it was in the 70s and 80s mind.

    It's not just English supporters though. This happened at the Ireland game tonight too, so it would appear to be a more widespread issue.


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    #107
    1800_Ladladlad
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    PalLimerick wrote: »
    People can take a knee if they so wish but People are free to boo them if they wish also.

    I wouldn't take a knee for BLM, which I believe is a radical organisation.

    No No No. You either support them or you are a "big racist". Choose correctly or else.......


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    #108
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    GT89 wrote: »
    Of course it should be booed. BLM is a Marxist political movement not an anti racism movement. Politics has no place in sport..

    https://twitter.com/tom_usher_/status/1401576857003347968?s=19


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    #109
    [Deleted User]
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    6 wrote: »
    It's hardly a generalisation. It's a fact.

    Racism and football in England have had links for as long as I've followed it. Not as bad now as it was in the 70s and 80s mind.

    English football fans. Brexit supporters no doubt.

    That's a generalisation.

    It's just one you are ok with.


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    #110
    Billy Mays
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's that attitude that pretty much bullies people into taking the knee.

    Racism can be highlighted and opposed, and has been highlighted and opposed without taking the gesture associate with Gorge Floyd protests and the horrible BLM movement.
    The gesture was in the headlines long before anyone had heard of George Floyd. Kaepernick started it in 2016, many NFL players followed suit and were called sons of bitches by their President who also called on them to be fired. It was a big international story.

    It's convenient for people to say it only relates to the Floyd protests.


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    #111
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    The gesture was in the headlines long before anyone had heard of George Floyd. Kaepernick started it in 2016, many NFL players followed suit and were called sons of bitches by their President who also called on them to be fired. It was a big international story.

    It's convenient for people to say it only relates to the Floyd protests.

    That's a very fair point and I am wrong to say it only became popular since George Floyd.

    That was inaccurate and incorrect.


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    #112
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    The gesture was in the headlines long before anyone had heard of George Floyd. Kaepernick started it in 2016, many NFL players followed suit and were called sons of bitches by their President who also called on them to be fired. It was a big international story.

    It's convenient for people to say it only relates to the Floyd protests.

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    "It's a BLM thing."


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    #113
    Strumms
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    What would the BLM and the wokies say if i or whoever, suggested that instead of the knee carry on... I or whoever suggested that the players at upcoming matches used the 30 seconds before kickoff to highlight the critical underfunding of special needs services in our eduction system ? I’d probably be racist for suggesting it.


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    #114
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    Strumms wrote: »
    What would the BLM and the wokies say if i or whoever, suggested that instead of the knee carry on... I or whoever suggested that the players at upcoming matches used the 30 seconds before kickoff to highlight the critical underfunding of special needs services in our eduction system ?

    They'd call you a racist.

    At least that's my experience with them


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    #115
    Bobblehats
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    The gesture was in the headlines long before anyone had heard of George Floyd. Kaepernick started it in 2016, many NFL players followed suit and were called sons of bitches by their President who also called on them to be fired. It was a big international story.

    It's convenient for people to say it only relates to the Floyd protests.

    And beyond there? In Europe, it all coincided with the BLM reactionary movement.

    Or at least the nations determined to find themselves in that same pickle but we're fed up with it now; no more grovelling. Just blow the damn whistle and let the match commence


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    #116
    Billy Mays
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    Bobblehats wrote: »
    And beyond there? In Europe, it all coincided with the BLM reactionary movement.

    Or at least the nations determined to find themselves in that same pickle but we're fed up with it now; no more grovelling. Just blow the damn whistle and let the match commence
    *you're


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    #117
    Bobblehats
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    *you're

    Were. Its beyond old already; put that mother to bed


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    #118
    GT89
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    I can't understand why they are still taking the knee in Europe for something that happened over a year ago in the US


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    #119
    [Deleted User]
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    The gesture was in the headlines long before anyone had heard of George Floyd. Kaepernick started it in 2016, many NFL players followed suit and were called sons of bitches by their President who also called on them to be fired. It was a big international story.

    It's convenient for people to say it only relates to the Floyd protests.

    He was fired. This only became international after George Floyd.


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    #120
    GT89
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    Strumms wrote: »
    What would the BLM and the wokies say if i or whoever, suggested that instead of the knee carry on... I or whoever suggested that the players at upcoming matches used the 30 seconds before kickoff to highlight the critical underfunding of special needs services in our eduction system ? I’d probably be racist for suggesting it.

    Or do something in solidarity to the Caucasian farmers being fcked off the land in South Africa


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    #121
    SheepsClothing
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    I have complicated feelings on this.

    On one hand I don't think the hyper focus on race which is very much in vogue at the moment and which taking the knee is absolutely a part of, is doing any good and if anything is further entrenching racial polarisation across the world. On the other hand, I know that deep down the people who feel this visceral need to boo kneeling players aren't doing so, because BLM is a "Marxist organisation", but because they don't like these black football players speaking out against the racial abuse they routinely get.


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