Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

jacothelad · 11-08-2020 9:43pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

McFarland is a huge fan - unless I'm mistaken, he's put Lowry in the leadership group?

...as a mascot........:D

Paul Smeenus · 12-08-2020 11:57am

jacothelad wrote: »

...as a mascot........:D

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anyway:

https://www.the42.ie/henderson-hip-operation-addison-back-struggle-5173153-Aug2020/

Hendo's surgery was planned, has been needed for a while, but was pushed to this awkward period by Covid. Addison has only been ruled out for Connacht so far.

jacothelad · 12-08-2020 1:45pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anyway:

https://www.the42.ie/henderson-hip-operation-addison-back-struggle-5173153-Aug2020/

Hendo's surgery was planned, has been needed for a while, but was pushed to this awkward period by Covid. Addison has only been ruled out for Connacht so far.

I have given up on Addison being a major influence despite his ability. He is just too fragile...........sadly.

b.gud · 12-08-2020 2:30pm

jacothelad wrote: »

I have given up on Addison being a major influence despite his ability. He is just too fragile...........sadly.

What was his injury record like before he started playing for Ulster/Ireland? Curious if he has always been injury prone or is it something that has become more of an issue since he started playing on this island. PS not trying to suggest that something in the way Ulster/Ireland use him is causing the issue, just curious

Paul Smeenus · 12-08-2020 2:38pm

I think it was an issue before as well.

Paul Smeenus · 12-08-2020 2:45pm

https://www.irishrugby.ie/2020/08/12/its-my-number-one-goal-to-play-for-ireland-madigan/

Big ambition from Madigan. Good

Dog Botherer · 12-08-2020 6:07pm

b.gud wrote: »

What was his injury record like before he started playing for Ulster/Ireland? Curious if he has always been injury prone or is it something that has become more of an issue since he started playing on this island. PS not trying to suggest that something in the way Ulster/Ireland use him is causing the issue, just curious

I remember a quote going around on here from someone in the know when he was first signed, something along the lines of “incredible player, if he can stay fit”.

awec · 12-08-2020 6:23pm

If he didn't have injury problems he wouldn't be playing for Ulster.

bilston · 13-08-2020 9:39am

awec wrote: »

If he didn't have injury problems he wouldn't be playing for Ulster.

True...he'd probably still be playing in white though...

bilston · 13-08-2020 12:12pm

So no Hendy or Addison for Connacht (and beyond)...I assume we will go in fully loaded for the first game, win that (or even get 2 points) and we are in the play offs and van send the kids out against Leinster.

Possible team for Connacht then?

1 McGrath
2 Herring
3 Moore
4 Carter
5 Treadwell
6 Rea
7 Murphy
8 Coetzee
9 Cooney
10 Burns
11 Gilroy
12 McCloskey
13 Marshall
14 Balacoune
15 Stockdale

Bench
McBurney
O'Sullivan
O'Toole
O'connor
Reidy
Matthewson
Madigan
Ludik/Faddes/Moore/Hume/Lowry

No.23 could be anyone, personally I'd get Moore in there ASAP, but in terms of versatility the smart play is Ludik or Faddes.

Even without Henderson and Addison that's a good squad.

Paul Smeenus · 13-08-2020 12:37pm

bilston wrote: »

So no Hendy or Addison for Connacht (and beyond)...I assume we will go in fully loaded for the first game, win that (or even get 2 points) and we are in the play offs and van send the kids out against Leinster.

Possible team for Connacht then?

1 McGrath
2 Herring
3 Moore
4 Carter
5 Treadwell
6 Rea
7 Murphy
8 Coetzee
9 Cooney
10 Burns
11 Gilroy
12 McCloskey
13 Marshall
14 Balacoune
15 Stockdale

Bench
McBurney
O'Sullivan
O'Toole
O'connor
Reidy
Matthewson
Madigan
Ludik/Faddes/Moore/Hume/Lowry

No.23 could be anyone, personally I'd get Moore in there ASAP, but in terms of versatility the smart play is Ludik or Faddes.

Even without Henderson and Addison that's a good squad.

Petsonally, I'd go:

McGrath
Herring
Moore
Carter
O'Connor
Tea
Murphy
Coetzee
Cooney
Burns
Stockdale
McCloskey
Marshall
Baloucoune
Lowry

O'Sullivan
MaChinery
O'Toole
Treadwell
Trust
Mathewson
Madigan
Faddes

Treadwell is more athletic, and good to have on fresh in the last twenty. For me, O'Connor is better at the nitty gritty, still.

I do think Lowry's good enough at FB against Connacht. Madigan covers 10, 12 and 15, so we want someone who can cover wing (and Faddes has also played 13).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ludik at fifteen or on the wing, though. I could well imagine Stockdale starting at 15 and Louis on the left wing. McFarland clearly rates his consistency - and it has been very important for us in the past.

The wild card is Milasinovich - but this is a crunch game, and we know O'Toole can deliver.

Paul Smeenus · 13-08-2020 12:38pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Petsonally, I'd go:

McGrath
Herring
Moore
Carter
O'Connor
Tea
Murphy
Coetzee
Cooney
Burns
Stockdale
McCloskey
Marshall
Baloucoune
Lowry

O'Sullivan
MaChinery
O'Toole
Treadwell
Trust
Mathewson
Madigan
Faddes

Treadwell is more athletic, and good to have on fresh in the last twenty. For me, O'Connor is better at the nitty gritty, still.

I do think Lowry's good enough at FB against Connacht. Madigan covers 10, 12 and 15, so we want someone who can cover wing (and Faddes has also played 13).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Ludik at fifteen or on the wing, though. I could well imagine Stockdale starting at 15 and Louis on the left wing. McFarland clearly rates his consistency - and it has been very important for us in the past.

The wild card is Milasinovich - but this is a crunch game, and we know O'Toole can deliver.

Definitely keep an eye out for Tea and MaChinery. Two very exciting upcoming Oyster players...

jacothelad · 13-08-2020 7:25pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Definitely keep an eye out for Tea and MaChinery. Two very exciting upcoming Oyster players...

I just thought that was a cue to bring on Ethel with the trolley......:D:D

Paul Smeenus · 17-08-2020 12:25pm

https://www.facebook.com/ulsterrugby/photos/a.153382031407571/3243214235757653/?type=3&theater

Not long now...

Paul Smeenus · 17-08-2020 3:35pm

Good folks in The Other Forum pointing out that Johnny Stewart and A.N. Other are missing from that photo...

Clegg · 18-08-2020 12:49pm

Players are dropping like flies at every province now.

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1295689001282809856?s=19

Paul Smeenus · 18-08-2020 12:57pm

Just saw that. FFS.

Is Jones the taxi off the rank in the back row?

Paul Smeenus · 18-08-2020 1:00pm

Disappointed for the Cat, but a good choice of back-ups; Lyttle, Faddes, Gilroy. Thought he was going to see international game time this autumn - hope he still does; he deserves it.

launish116 · 18-08-2020 1:02pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Just saw that. FFS.

Is Jones the taxi off the rank in the back row?

Or will Rea jnr jump the queue

Paul Smeenus · 18-08-2020 1:03pm

launish116 wrote: »

Or will Rea jnr jump the queue

That's what I'd hope for, in all honesty.

ionadnapokot · 18-08-2020 2:21pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Disappointed for the Cat, but a good choice of back-ups; Lyttle, Faddes, Gilroy. Thought he was going to see international game time this autumn - hope he still does; he deserves it.

It would have been great to see him given a run.
Hate seeing speedsters getting Hamstring surgery. Esp. so young. Fingers crossed.

stephen_n · 18-08-2020 7:26pm

Is Aaron Sexton back with Ulster or is he still with the 7’s?

The Lost Sheep · 18-08-2020 7:36pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Is Aaron Sexton back with Ulster or is he still with the 7’s?

Think he's with 7s but with uncertainty of 7s world series along with everything else who knows what long term plan is

bilston · 18-08-2020 8:51pm

ionadnapokot wrote: »

It would have been great to see him given a run.
Hate seeing speedsters getting Hamstring surgery. Esp. so young. Fingers crossed.

It sounds like a bad one too...hopefully not POCesque in 2015.

Hands Like Flippers · 19-08-2020 12:16am

stephen_n wrote: »

Is Aaron Sexton back with Ulster or is he still with the 7’s?

Training with Academy at the moment.

Scottmactom · 19-08-2020 11:16am

Any word on where Nathan Doak is playing for Ulster in preseason, 9 or 10?

I noticed in pictures that Conor McMenamin is training with seniors.

ionadnapokot · 19-08-2020 11:28am

bilston wrote: »

It sounds like a bad one too...hopefully not POCesque in 2015.

& for a winger. not good. hope he gets back up to speed so to speak.

jacothelad · 19-08-2020 11:49am

ionadnapokot wrote: »

& for a winger. not good. hope he gets back up to speed so to speak.

After surgery, the patient will need to keep weight off of the affected leg to protect the repair. In addition to using crutches, he may need a brace that keeps the hamstring in a relaxed position. How long he will need these aids will depend on the location of the injury. The physical therapy program will begin with gentle stretches to improve flexibility and range of motion. Strengthening exercises will gradually be added to the plan.
Rehabilitation for a proximal (the pelvis attachment) hamstring reattachment typically takes at least 6 months, due to the severity of the injury. Distal (shin) hamstring reattachments require approximately 3 months of rehabilitation before returning to athletic activities. Realistically for Baloucoune it will be towards Easter next year for a full return to play.

RuPi · 19-08-2020 1:26pm

Scottmactom wrote: »

Any word on where Nathan Doak is playing for Ulster in preseason, 9 or 10?

I noticed in pictures that Conor McMenamin is training with seniors.

Viewed as a 9 going forward.

Paul Smeenus · 19-08-2020 2:53pm

RuPi wrote: »

Viewed as a 9 going forward.

Good news if Stewart isn't actually about after all.

Paul Smeenus · 19-08-2020 4:55pm

If we have Madigan (10, 12, 15), Faddes (11, 13, 14, 15), Ludik (11, 14, 15) and Stockdale (11, 13, 15) in our 23, could we risk having a 6/2 split on the bench? Rea Jr, O'Connor Jr, Jones or another forward in reserve? Assuming Timoney is the primary bench backrower.

Locke_Lamora · 21-08-2020 4:28pm

Ulster team to play Connacht, Guinness PRO14 Round 14, Sunday 23 August at Aviva Stadium (kick-off 4.30pm, live on Premier Sports & TG4):

(15-9) Jacob Stockdale, Craig Gilroy, James Hume, Stuart McCloskey, Louis Ludik, Billy Burns (Capt.), John Cooney;
(1-8) Jack McGrath, Rob Herring, Marty Moore, Alan O’Connor, Kieran Treadwell, Nick Timoney, Jordi Murphy, Marcell Coetzee.

Replacements: Adam McBurney, Eric O’Sullivan, Tom O’Toole, Sam Carter, Matthew Rea, Alby Mathewson, Ian Madigan, Michael Lowry.

Would've loved to see Baloucoune push on but not meant to be I guess. Stockdale at 15 is interesting, not much experimenting going on or young players being given minutes which is to be expected as the team has to get sorted before asap. Hume was looking tidy before his injury, hopefully he can hit the ground running.

bilston · 22-08-2020 9:02pm

So Glasgow losing to Edinburgh means we've qualified.

Leinstertomas · 22-08-2020 11:53pm

bilston wrote: »

So Glasgow losing to Edinburgh means we've qualified.

And as Munster are 5 points behind and have 2 less wins you will be away to Edinburgh in that match. Tough fixture but definitely winnable for Ulster. Also effectively have 2 warm up games for it now

Paul Smeenus · 23-08-2020 12:40am

Leinstertomas wrote: »

And as Munster are 5 points behind and have 2 less wins you will be away to Edinburgh in that match. Tough fixture but definitely winnable for Ulster. Also effectively have 2 warm up games for it now

Problem is playing in a silent stadium with nary a member of the public to be seen is second nature to Edinburgh.

Digifriendly · 23-08-2020 8:43am

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Problem is playing in a silent stadium with nary a member of the public to be seen is second nature to Edinburgh.

Harsh but true.

Paul Smeenus · 24-08-2020 1:07pm

So. Poor performance, poor result.

Need to get back into the swing of things sharpish. The word i'd use for that game, honestly, is "lackadaisical".

Lineout was atrocious, and it wasn't just McBurney - there was one lift on Treadwell and I think they got him a foot and a half off the ground as the ball arced above him. And I thought we missed Baloucoune, actually.

Any positives?

No injuries to key players. All fit to fight another day.
Treadwell worked hard and rolled his sleeves up.
Good to see Eric O'Sullivan get a full half, and I thought our back up front row looked good in the scrums.

launish116 · 24-08-2020 1:22pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

So. Poor performance, poor result.

Need to get back into the swing of things sharpish. The word i'd use for that game, honestly, is "lackadaisical".

Lineout was atrocious, and it wasn't just McBurney - there was one lift on Treadwell and I think they got him a foot and a half off the ground as the ball arced above him. And I thought we missed Baloucoune, actually.

Any positives?

No injuries to key players. All fit to fight another day.
Treadwell worked hard and rolled his sleeves up.
Good to see Eric O'Sullivan get a full half, and I thought our back up front row looked good in the scrums.

Positives
- O’Sullivan & O’Toole went very well. Was expecting O’Toole to struggle against Buckley.
- Mathewson is keen and looked very good
- much needed game time for the players
- Good to see Carter & Rea back
- Agreed on Treadwell, was hungry

Negatives
- Moore and McGrath need some serious conditioning, shown up by replacements
- Lineout, completely agreed that the lifting was dire and causing issues, note soley the throwing
- optional defending
- stand start Crash ball so predictable and one of runners getting stopped on game line.
- Timoney is not a 6/8, albeit he did very well of the back of the scrum for his try

Quin_Dub · 24-08-2020 1:56pm

launish116 wrote: »

Positives
- O’Sullivan & O’Toole went very well. Was expecting O’Toole to struggle against Buckley.
- Mathewson is keen and looked very good
- much needed game time for the players
- Good to see Carter & Rea back
- Agreed on Treadwell, was hungry

Negatives
- Moore and McGrath need some serious conditioning, shown up by replacements
- Lineout, completely agreed that the lifting was dire and causing issues, note soley the throwing
- optional defending
- stand start Crash ball so predictable and one of runners getting stopped on game line.
- Timoney is not a 6/8, albeit he did very well of the back of the scrum for his try

I thought Moore looked shockingly bad for a Professional player. I know he's never been the gym bunny type , but he looked in truly atrocious condition yesterday.

Yeah_Right · 24-08-2020 2:06pm

It looked like Moore had been on the Ben Tamifuna training plan. I know he was never lean but my memory of him when he was at Leinster was that he was mobile. I didn't see much of him at Wasps. Was he injured a lot?

Burkie1203 · 24-08-2020 2:14pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

I thought Moore looked shockingly bad for a Professional player. I know he's never been the gym bunny type , but he looked in truly atrocious condition yesterday.

He obviously decided to choose a different path in bulking up through lockdown. He looks like he needs to shed about 15-20kg.

Squidgy Black · 24-08-2020 2:28pm

Marty's struggled pretty badly with conditioning ever since he left Leinster, mostly due to the fact he was riddled with injuries during his time at Wasps. It's a shame because he has the potential to be challenging for a spot in camp for the national squad if he can just get his match fitness up and stay injury free.

Buer · 24-08-2020 2:31pm

Obviously there are targets, fitness monitoring etc with professional S&C staff but Moore did visibly appear in horrendous shape. A professional prop should not have rolls of fat visible through his jersey.

Jack McGrath looks like he has put on a little bit more weight too around his midsection although not on the same level.

Paul Smeenus · 24-08-2020 2:55pm

Yeah - might see EOS and TOT start against Leinster and, if they hold their own, against Edinburgh.

Moore is a big pudding.

Thought Rea looked good as well.

Hume was disappointing. But ultimately most looked very off the pace

launish116 · 24-08-2020 3:07pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Yeah - might see EOS and TOT start against Leinster and, if they hold their own, against Edinburgh.

Moore is a big pudding.

Thought Rea looked good as well.

Hume was disappointing. But ultimately most looked very off the pace

Agree EOS & TOT deserve a start, but i’d be flogging Moore/McGrath until their fit!

TOT scrummaging has definitely come along!

Paul Smeenus · 24-08-2020 3:21pm

Moore was in fine shape before the season was postponed. Eh just needs to get back to that.

Bazzo · 24-08-2020 3:51pm

Moore looked like he was blowing hard after less than 10 mins, I've genuinely never seen the like before.

sydthebeat · 24-08-2020 4:08pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Moore looked like he was blowing hard after less than 10 mins, I've genuinely never seen the like before.

i recall charlie faumuina blowing hard after the same amount of time in the RDS game v toulouse back on a warm day in april last year.... and he was off after 50 mins.

it was more down to the non-stop action than fitness, but poor charlie was knackered

Burkie1203 · 24-08-2020 4:18pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

i recall charlie faumuina blowing hard after the same amount of time in the RDS game v toulouse back on a warm day in april last year.... and he was off after 50 mins.

it was more down to the non-stop action than fitness, but poor charlie was knackered

That was in Aviva too that game.

bilston · 25-08-2020 9:43am

Haven't seen the match yet, but tell me this were there any injuries?

Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

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