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Homelessness on the rise (over 130 more children) - Mod Warning Post #392

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,003 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    We are a very generous nation regarding supports.

    Makes me ill this guilt tripping really. Spend your money the way you want, but don't expect the taxpayer to double up again and again.

    OK the Christmas Guilt Trip is obvious.

    The only charity I would ever contemplate is Brother Kevin in the Capuchins. No big CEO or that, and like he said, he will not judge anyone for availing of services, what a legened.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mike3549 wrote: »
    Could you please give me a reason, why people who have a roof over their heads for at least another 12 months should be called homeless? All this "homeless" thing is nuts.
    Heard on a radio a couple months ago that adult kids who still live with their parents also should be included in those stats.
    Whats next? People sharing rooms?

    The main reason is without all these homeless people, there’s no need for the multitude of homeless businesses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Homeless children in hospital emergency department up 29%
    Temple Street head medical social worker calls spike in presentations ‘shameful’
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-children-in-hospital-emergency-department-up-29-1.3765951
    Lead emergency medical consultant Dr IK Okafor said the department treated 260 homeless children in the period from last October to December alone.

    “Their presentations are varied and complex but in the majority they stem from the fact that these children are living in completely unsuitable, cramped and temporary accommodation,” he said.


    The December 2018 Report:
    The Homelessness Report December 2018 has been released:
    https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_december_2018.pdf

    Adult Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

    A dip appears to happen for Family Homelessness each December (older 2016 figures also include it). I've included a quote from a Barnardos article (below their tweet) which is the only explanation I've seen put forward.

    Homelessness (Adults)
    471781.png

    Family Homelessness
    471780.png

    The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:
    The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes
    or:
    The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.


    Coverage of this report:
    Govt accused of breaking promise that no homeless will sleep rough during deep freeze
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/govt-accused-of-breaking-promise-that-no-homeless-will-sleep-rough-during-deep-freeze-901168.html
    Despite promises that no homeless person would sleep rough during this week's deep freeze, it has been claimed that 86 people were left on the streets of Dublin on Tuesday night.

    The figure was revealed shortly before the Department of Housing released the December Homelessness Report which showed that there are 9,753 people in emergency accommodation. It includes 3,559 children.

    There was an increase of 37 adults accessing emergency accommodation and a decrease in the number of families presenting to homeless services in Dublin.

    Over 3,500 children in Ireland were homeless for Christmas in 2018
    https://www.thejournal.ie/december-homeless-figures-4468155-Jan2019/
    Yesterday, the Dublin Region Homeless Executive (DRHE) urged members of the public to report anyone sleeping rough in the capital as temperatures plunge over the next few days.

    A Status Yellow weather warning issued by Met Éireann kicked in at 6am yesterday morning and will remain in place until 6pm on Saturday.


    Tweets:
    https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/1090664910223278080
    https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1090658682004738048
    https://twitter.com/Barnardos_IRL/status/1090665423228596224
    June Tinsley, Head of Advocacy, Barnardos said: “A decrease in child homelessness in December is to be expected, as extended family and friends rally round to ensure children don’t have to spend Christmas in emergency accommodation. The number of children homeless in December 2018 is 42% higher than December 2016. Homelessness is not something any child should experience. It is not acceptable.


    Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
    Update: Charity has 'huge concerns' for homeless as Met Éireann issues snow and ice warning
    With the risk of snow and a cold weather warning in place, I am appealing to the Minister to immediately initiate contingency measures and open as many beds as possible to reduce the risk of death on our streets.

    "We have already seen rough sleeper deaths around the country since the turn of the year and are fearful we will see more deaths with the temperatures to drop so dramatically.”

    Housing crisis ‘forcing families to choose between food and rent’
    Children’s Rights Alliance warns of impact of homelessness on education and health
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/housing-crisis-forcing-families-to-choose-between-food-and-rent-1.3776123
    The housing crisis is forcing some families to choose between paying the rent and eating, a leading expert on children’s rights has warned.

    Tanya Ward, chief executive of the Children’s Rights Alliance, said many of the children affected would not appear in child poverty statistics.

    Those low-income families which did not qualify for the housing assistance payment (HAP) faced rents of €1,900 a month, the average rent in Dublin, she pointed out.

    'Vast amounts' of land available to tackle housing crisis, conference told
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0130/1026490-housing/
    Architect Mel Reynolds told the conference in Dublin that half of all residential-zoned land in Dublin is State controlled, either being owned by a local authority or NAMA.

    He said this would be enough to provide 71,000 new homes.

    But he said increased supply had not led to lower house prices in the past and private housing is currently out of reach for low and middle-income earners.

    According to CSO figures on wages, he said, the maximum price for an affordable house is €245,000 but the average price paid by a first time buyer in Dublin was €370,000.

    Teachers speak out: 'Homeless students are being forced to live a double life'
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/two-thirds-of-renters-struggling-to-meet-monthly-rental-costs-886770.html
    With the ever-growing number of children in Ireland becoming homeless and entering emergency accommodation, it will come as no surprise that a recent survey carried out by the Irish Primary Principals’ Network (IPPN) found that 27% of primary schools have students who are homeless.

    Furthermore, 16% of respondents stated that there are children in their school who are living in direct provision.

    Many of these children view school as a “safe haven”, but are being “forced to live a double life” because “they don’t really, in most cases, want anyone to know about their situation”, according to IPPN CEO Pairic Clerkin, who was speaking ahead of its annual principals’ conference.

    https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/1090644938088427523


  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    so you obviously support the homeless charity industry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    so you obviously support the homeless charity industry

    He or she likely supports the idea that homelessness is a problem.

    Most people I meet would agree


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Let us focus on the positives. 252 less families were homeless in December compared to November.

    Bearing in mind that we’re led to believe that approximately 100 families become homeless every month, that means 352 families got homes in December.

    I reiterate my opinion that homelessness is an industry, not a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Old diesel wrote: »
    He or she likely supports the idea that homelessness is a problem.

    Nobody knows for sure because the op just does news dumps and zero discussion or interactions with the thread ,

    Which isn't in the spirit of a forum


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    We are a very generous nation regarding supports.

    Makes me ill this guilt tripping really. Spend your money the way you want, but don't expect the taxpayer to double up again and again.

    OK the Christmas Guilt Trip is obvious.

    The only charity I would ever contemplate is Brother Kevin in the Capuchins. No big CEO or that, and like he said, he will not judge anyone for availing of services, what a legened.


    I had the privilege of a long chat with him a few years ago and agree wholeheartedly with you. A humbler and more realistic warmhearted man you could not meet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    The Homelessness Report January 2019 has been released:
    https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_january_2019.pdf

    Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

    Homelessness (Adults)
    474218.png

    Family Homelessness
    474219.png

    The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:
    The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes
    or:
    The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.


    Coverage of this report:
    Number of homeless children increases by 10% in past year
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/number-of-homeless-children-increases-by-10-in-past-year-1.3808670
    The number of homeless children has increased by 10 per cent in the past year, from 3,267 in January 2018 to 3,624 last month

    'A national trauma': There are now 9,987 people living in homeless accommodation in Ireland
    https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-numbers-3-4516053-Feb2019/


    Tweets:
    https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/1100797429207703552
    https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/1100820294053302279
    https://twitter.com/Barnardos_IRL/status/1100813687584186370
    https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1100800257842204673
    https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/1100816815175942145


    Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
    Government urged to recognise child homelessness as national emergency
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/government-urged-recognise-child-homelessness-15892418
    CEO of The Children’s Rights Alliance (CRA), Tanya War, slapped the government with an F grade, its lowest grade ever for its failure to tackle childhood homelessness.

    Rents and house prices will continue to rise despite increases in housing supply - Goodbody
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/rents-and-house-prices-will-continue-to-rise-despite-increases-in-housing-supply--goodbody-902971.html
    Rents and house prices will likely rise for a number of years as the supply of new homes won’t start meeting demand before 2023 at the earliest, according to broker Goodbody.

    Tenants faced with 'huge' housing disadvantage - Simon Communities react to Daft.ie report
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/tenants-faced-with-huge-housing-disadvantage-simon-communities-react-to-daftie-report-903407.html
    The Simon Communities of Ireland have said that the rental report shows that tenants nationwide are faced with a “huge disadvantage” in terms of housing.

    The homelessness and housing organisation said that while it is encouraging that the number of properties available to rent nationally showed rare signs of increase, availability of affordable housing in the private sector remains far too low nationwide.

    Concerns raised over ‘expensive and isolating’ on-campus accommodation
    https://universityobserver.ie/concerns-raised-over-expensive-and-isolating-on-campus-accommodation/
    “All these things lead to an overall crisis where demand far exceeds supply, and not only does demand exceed supply, the supply that there is does not suit the demand, so it is either substandard or too luxurious and it’s very difficult to find something in the middle,”


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I can’t see anything in your post about the 100 families who exited homeless accommodation in January.

    If the 5 charities you quoted pooled their resources, they’d free up many millions of Euro to house many of those homeless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,560 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    If you want to link dump, start a blog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭GGTrek


    L1011 wrote: »
    If you want to link dump, start a blog.
    They guy is probably working for one of the charities and they pay people to spread propaganda, otherwise how can they justify their own existence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I know Slydice has got criticism in the past but I welcome this thread.

    Edit it's a very serious problem - the re adjustment of figures is struggling to keep the figures under 10 k


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Once it breaks the 10k, we'll have a new push in the media, it'll be Topic #1 against.

    Miriam, Claire Byrne, Joe Duffy......they'll all be over it again like a rash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    People are entitled to think homelessness isn't an issue.

    But it is - and is currently at 9987 people according to latest stats.

    To say that these people are not homeless is to imply that a family hub, hotel room or other other emergency accommodation are homes.

    I'm just listening to the local radio now in Cork and a lady was just saying she was on a friends couch for months.

    She was from Thurles and had got a job in Cork - she would have been effectively homeless for the few months but will be in NO figures.

    However her case highlights that there is a housing/accommodation shortage - ie the amount of people needing a place exceeds the places available to rent.

    Someone mentioned that 100 families left homelessness in January. However the net figure actually increased - so more people ENTERED homelessness then left it.

    I started this thread because I see the other thread from Slydice could be in trouble.

    But yet the issue merit's a thread in this part of the forum


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Old diesel wrote: »
    I'm just listening to the local radio now in Cork and a lady was just saying she was on a friends couch for months.

    She was from Thurles and had got a job in Cork - she would have been effectively homeless for the few months but will be in NO figures.

    I am sure she could have got accommodation if she was wiling to pay for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    I am sure she could have got accommodation if she was wiling to pay for it.

    Do you know the woman - all I know about her is that her situation was mentioned on the news and a clip of her talking about it was on the news report.

    I saw no indication of her situation been as a result of an unwillingness to pay.

    I'm sure she fully expects and is happy to pay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    @OldDiesel

    Do you accept that the figures are open to manipulation?

    Do you wonder why so many homes are refused when offered to people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Do you know the woman - all I know about her is that her situation was mentioned on the news and a clip of her talking about it was on the news report.

    I saw no indication of her situation been as a result of an unwillingness to pay.

    I'm sure she fully expects and is happy to pay.

    There is accommodation there if people are willing to pay. You know nothing about her but are assuming it was just an act of god she was couch-surfing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Was she even on that couch for 3 months?

    When people are on the radio they are going to make everything sound SO BAD to get their point across.

    No harm, but no friend of mine would be on my sofa for 3 months, end of.
    I wouldn't even let a family member lie on my sofa that long. People have to sort themselves out too. That woman obviously has no personal responsibility and wants the Gov to look after her all her life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    There is accommodation there if people are willing to pay. You know nothing about her but are assuming it was just an act of god she was couch-surfing?

    She has a place now - the few months she was sleeping on her friends couch were up to October last year.

    I missed that the first time (heard it on the news at 11 and again at 12)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Old diesel wrote: »
    She has a place now - the few months she was sleeping on her friends couch were up to October last year.

    I missed that the first time (heard it on the news at 11 and again at 12)

    So she was willing to pay in October but not before?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    There is accommodation there if people are willing to pay. You know nothing about her but are assuming it was just an act of god she was couch-surfing?

    It's not an act of god - it's the sort of thing that one expects to see happen in an accommodation shortage.

    You take a friends couch as it's likely less crap then a homeless hostel.

    Your friend let's you have the couch because they care.

    Again on hearing the clip again she got sorted in the end.

    It's merely one example of the crisis


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Old diesel wrote: »
    It's not an act of god - it's the sort of thing that one expects to see happen in an accommodation shortage.

    You take a friends couch as it's likely less crap then a homeless hostel.

    Your friend let's you have the couch because they care.

    Again on hearing the clip again she got sorted in the end.

    It's merely one example of the crisis

    some of the 'examples' of the crisis I heard on various media reports immediately had we thinking to myself "is this person telling the truth? Or are they deliberately lying to make their lot sound worse than it is?"

    She could have been more excting if she was lying..people in the past have put tents up on beaches to show how homeless they were. Others dressed their kids in their school clothes and slept in Garda stations.

    Sleeping on a couch in a friends house is hardly shocking compared to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Old diesel wrote: »
    It's not an act of god - it's the sort of thing that one expects to see happen in an accommodation shortage.

    You take a friends couch as it's likely less crap then a homeless hostel.

    Your friend let's you have the couch because they care.

    Again on hearing the clip again she got sorted in the end.

    It's merely one example of the crisis

    If there is such a crisis, how come she got accommodation in October? If there was a crisis like you say, she will still be on a couch. All she had to do was go out with her handbag, finding vacant room, flat or house and pay a months deposit and a months rent in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Re figure manipulation - it seems if there is figure manipulation it's actually figures been adjusted DOWN.

    There is apparently a new type of accommodation paid for by section 10 (homeless accommodation) funding.

    They call it "own front door" accommodation - theres loopholes that allow 18 month leases only. Kitty Holland of the Irish times reported on this i think.

    These were in the stats previously but now arent.

    There was a family hub in Limerick that's also not in the stats apparently because there was/is a plan for that HUB to become permanent accommodation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭loveall


    Just on a side note......
    18 yr old goes to Simon community saying he’s homeless. He’s not, he has a self contained unit in the family home with apprenticeship and vehicle through family business. His problem was he wanted to live in his own place in the town near his friends and suffered a dose of work shy/superiority complex.
    To hasten his wishes he told the Simon community that he’d been homeless since 15. Plastered his and others FB with his sorry fairytale (at his mother’s expense) with a link to a GoFund page so any sad sap could pay out; All complete BS, but enough to make a reporter take notice and he soon had the eyes and ears of a national and regional newspaper and radio station; all publicised the GoFund me link.
    Once his family found out what was going on they stopped all and of course had the proof that all was make believe, but 1800 hundred people left terrible comments about the mother to one national paper and he pocketed 2k.
    His family are hard working people with pride and would be the last to look for a hand out, they’re at a loss as to why he didn’t get that instilled pride. He went on to figure a life of crime pays.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    But if we think the figures are being manipulated upwards - who is classed as homeless that shouldnt be.

    It's ultimately in the interests of Government and local authorities to be able to show a REDUCTION in homelessness.

    So it's hard to figure why they would manipulate figures up. They could of course do it - but there's no obvious win from doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    If someone actually takes the urine like in Lovealls example (I only saw that after my previous post) then yes sanctions may well be justified.

    But that doesn't eliminate the fact that there IS an accomodation shortage and homelessness issue.

    It's like saying many - most even - landlords are decent people. Yes that's true but many of us have encountered bad landlords too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 267 ✭✭overkill602


    Old diesel wrote: »
    But if we think the figures are being manipulated upwards - who is classed as homeless that shouldnt be.

    It's ultimately in the interests of Government and local authorities to be able to show a REDUCTION in homelessness.

    So it's hard to figure why they would manipulate figures up. They could of course do it - but there's no obvious win from doing it.


    Hail the new homeless industry some 70 organizations last count in dublin alone increasing numbers a must for them so redefining homeless as more than someone sleeping rough and beyond


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Hail the new homeless industry some 70 organizations last count in dublin alone increasing numbers a must for them so redefining homeless as more than someone sleeping rough and beyond

    You could argue that for the likes of REITS and Fintan McNamara talking down the crisis is useful as they can max the rents (in the case of Fintan the membership he represents) for longer.

    Fintan mentioned on radio the other day that rents were starting to soften.

    So we potentially have vested interests everywhere.

    Is it not the local Authorities that actually record the figures anyway.

    Edit - but the point remains - who are the people who are homeless on stats that shouldnt be if figures are being manipulated.

    Loveall posted an example but on a wider level how big an issue is manipulation of stats.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭Cryptopagan


    Old diesel wrote: »
    So we potentially have vested interests everywhere.

    Is it not the local Authorities that actually record the figures anyway.

    Yes, and apparently they can be quite resistant to registering people (I’d imagine young singletons find it hardest).

    Ireland doesn’t have an especially expansive definition of homelessness anyhow, which allowed Varadkar to claim our rates were actually lower than all these other places.

    Arguing homelessness should only encompass rough sleepers is ridiculously narrow. Homeless means without home, not without shelter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭loveall


    When the parents questioned the Simon community involved, they were told his word was taken as fact as he was 18.
    No one called to the parents to inform them of the situation. They found out by hearing a radio interview.
    It would have taken five minutes to look at paperwork to prove employment, residence etc. What happened to the parents was appalling.
    How did the lad know the Simon Community would lap up the story, fill out his dole application and house him in a flat in the town of his choosing? That's what happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    If we have such a crisis, some say an emergency situation, why are we having close to a 50% rejection rate on offers of homes across the country?

    "But I'm really desperate for a home" (but not really so desperate, cos I can be picky if its not near me ma)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,156 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    NIMAN wrote:
    "But I'm really desperate for a home" (but not really so desperate, cos I can be picky if its not near me ma)


    Very few 10k homeless people reject homes.

    The people you are talking about are for the most part in rental accommodation and the state is paying the lions share of the rent. They have been in rented accommodation for years. I know one family where the state paid their rent for over 15 years. They have their forever home now after rejecting two offers. People in this situation are in no real hurry. They are happy to wait for the house near mammy.

    These aren't part of the 10k homeless people. Most homeless people won't be offered a council house for years yet. Most homeless people move from hostels /hotels to rental accommodation and not a council property


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Time for social services to get involved. If your are unemployed and able to work and have made no attempt to retrain or get a job in the last two years and are now homeless, it's time the state gets involved. If you cannot or will not provide for your kids then you don't deserve them.

    It will also stop a generation of "your honour he was homeless in the 2010s, he had a hard up bringing etc".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Yes, and apparently they can be quite resistant to registering people (I’d imagine young singletons find it hardest).

    Ireland doesn’t have an especially expansive definition of homelessness anyhow, which allowed Varadkar to claim our rates were actually lower than all these other places.

    Arguing homelessness should only encompass rough sleepers is ridiculously narrow. Homeless means without home, not without shelter.

    I've heard this about it been hard to register as well - with council staff pushing a "can you stay with friends/family" angle.

    You've got to bear in mind that for the local authority someone presenting as homeless is a massive pain in the rear end.

    Someone who presents as homeless is someone else that needs a place to stay tonight etc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 382 ✭✭Giveaway


    Slydice wrote: »
    In September 2018, the number of children in homelessness increased by: 136.
    The number of children who became newly homeless was: 193.


    The Homelessness Report September 2018 has been released:
    https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_september_2018.pdf

    Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

    Homelessness (Adults)
    464565.png

    Family Homelessness
    464564.png

    The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:

    or:


    Coverage of this report:
    Almost 200 children became homeless in the past month in Dublin
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/almost-200-children-became-homeless-in-the-past-month-in-dublin-1.3674650


    'Government appears to just accept this as a natural phenomenon' - 193 children became newly-homeless last month
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/government-appears-to-just-accept-this-as-a-natural-phenomenon-193-children-became-newlyhomeless-last-month-37455574.html


    The number of homeless children in Ireland has risen by 136 in the space of a month
    There are now collectively 9,698 people living in homeless accommodation across Ireland.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/homeless-ireland-september-figures-4303866-Oct2018/


    Tweets:
    https://twitter.com/FocusIreland/status/1055142703191810053
    https://twitter.com/MyNameCampaign/status/1055198426642685952
    https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/1055153667500838912
    https://twitter.com/ICHHDUBLIN/status/1055150132142989313
    https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1055181050303918081



    Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:
    'Worrying trend' of people becoming homeless younger
    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/1019/1005174-novas-limerick/


    Residential property prices have risen by 8.6% so far this year
    https://www.thejournal.ie/cso-house-prices-ireland-2018-4276199-Oct2018/


    Rent hikes of up to 25% spark protest outside landlord’s offices
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/rent-hikes-of-up-to-25-spark-protest-outside-landlord-s-offices-1.3653254


    'Budget 2019 means students will be left out in the cold for another year, quite literally'
    https://www.independent.ie/business/budget/comment-reaction/comment-budget-2019-means-students-will-be-left-out-in-the-cold-for-another-year-quite-literally-37401136.html

    Employed by a quango or homeless org?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Time for social services to get involved. If your are unemployed and able to work and have made no attempt to retrain or get a job in the last two years and are now homeless, it's time the state gets involved. If you cannot or will not provide for your kids then you don't deserve them.

    It will also stop a generation of "your honour he was homeless in the 2010s, he had a hard up bringing etc".

    Yes because taking children off their parents has worked out so well in the past for this country hasn't it?


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    Old diesel wrote: »
    But if we think the figures are being manipulated upwards - who is classed as homeless that shouldnt be.

    It's ultimately in the interests of Government and local authorities to be able to show a REDUCTION in homelessness.

    So it's hard to figure why they would manipulate figures up. They could of course do it - but there's no obvious win from doing it.

    Someone is homeless if they don’t have a roof over their heads and have no option but to sleep on the streets or other areas outdoors.


  • Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭loveall


    ^^^^^^^
    and a genuine need has to be proven


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    There are now 10,264 recorded homeless. 3,784 are Children.

    The report:
    The Homelessness Report February 2019 has been released:
    https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/homeless_report_-_february_2019.pdf

    Homelessness is on the rise. I've updated the two charts based on the totals they give.

    Homelessness (Adults)
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    Family Homelessness
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    The latest report does not have commentary where previous reports did. They used to include:
    The long term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes
    or:
    The root cause of increased homelessness is the supply shortage across the housing sector, which in turn is a result of the recent economic collapse and the associated damage to the construction sector. Accordingly the long-term solution to the current homeless issue is to increase the supply of homes.


    Coverage of this report:
    'Deeply shocking': There are now officially more than 10,000 people homeless in Ireland
    https://www.thejournal.ie/10000-homeless-people-4564120-Mar2019/
    a significant rise of 277 people from January

    Homeless figures surpass 10,000 for first time
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/homeless-figures-surpass-10000-for-first-time-913754.html
    Month on month we are seeing more and more families and children becoming homeless. 160 children becoming homeless in a single month


    Tweets:
    https://twitter.com/PMVTrust/status/1110970688087707649
    https://twitter.com/ChildRightsIRL/status/1110970129351933953
    https://twitter.com/Dublin_Simon/status/1110973218460962816
    https://twitter.com/MerchantsQuayIR/status/1110973529833566209



    Other recent media on homelessness and supply shortage in Ireland:

    The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (UN Human Rights)
    States and real estate private equity firms questioned for compliance with human rights
    Ms Leilani Farha is the UN Special Rapporteur on adequate housing
    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=24404&LangID=E
    The Special Rapporteur and the Working Group have also sent letters to the Czech Republic, Denmark, Ireland, Spain, Sweden and the United States of America, noting that each had facilitated the financialisation of housing in their own countries through preferential tax laws and weak tenant protections among other measures.

    “We remind States of their human rights obligations to regulate investment in residential real estate so that it supports the right to adequate housing and in no way undermines it. This cannot be left to the private sector to undertake on a voluntary basis,” the experts said.

    “What makes this practice particularly egregious is that it is being done without any monitoring, or accountability mechanisms in place. Governments seem not to have made the connection that this new form of finance is taking place in an area that is governed by international human rights law, which imposes obligations on them. We remind all States, that while gold is a commodity, housing is not, it’s a human right.


    Concerns over lack of housing supply nationwide and ‘supply mismatch’ within greater Dublin area – report
    http://www.engineersjournal.ie/2019/03/26/concerns-over-lack-of-housing-supply-nationwide-and-supply-mismatch-within-greater-dublin-area-report/
    Unfortunately, this isn’t simply a numbers game. We don’t require 40,000 new luxury homes in D4, we need a mix of housing types across the country to reflect the underlying demographics and sadly last year we saw a concerning mismatch between the types of houses built and the types of homes needed, with construction in the greater Dublin area seriously under-serving lower- to middle-income families


    The State won't know how many homeless students will be sitting the Leaving Cert this summer
    https://www.thejournal.ie/homelessness-leaving-certificate-students-4537511-Mar2019/
    Studying for State examinations can be a stressful time for any teenager, but that stress deepens with a lack a stable homelife.


    https://twitter.com/SimonCommunity/status/1108743259990429697


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Nothing else no ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭GGTrek


    If I could give a downvote to the OP I would give him thousands of downvotes. He should start his own blog or facebook page or twitter account. I seriously think the OP is an employee or an affiliate of an "homeless" business (a.k.a. charities)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭emo72


    and they tried so hard to keep that figure from hitting 10k.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    GGTrek wrote: »
    If I could give a downvote to the OP I would give him thousands of downvotes. He should start his own blog or facebook page or twitter account. I seriously think the OP is an employee or an affiliate of an "homeless" business (a.k.a. charities)

    Personally I find the outrage towards Skydice far more annoying then his posts.

    I see nothing wrong with someone posting these stats each month.

    As for who he works for - that doesn't change the stats.

    Yes you could argue that if he worked for a relevant charity then "he might have a vested interest".

    But you could also argue that Landlords pushing for lower reg environment also have a vested interest in arguing that the problem "isn't as bad as reported".


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    GGTrek wrote: »
    He should start his own blog or facebook page or twitter account.

    Plenty of long posts here from you about the govvie


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭Reati


    It's amazing how much data you can produce that tells you very little.

    I'd love some education.

    Why are 10k people homeless. What are the root causes?
    What categories do they fall into?
    What percentage of the 10k is divided into these sub groups?
    My maths my be bad but isn't 10k about 0.2% of the Irish population? What's the rate in other European countries?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,318 ✭✭✭emo72


    What vexes me it's posters basically trying to talk it down. I mean they are the ones with vested interests. Trying to make FG look like they are doing a great job.

    We really do have a homeless issue here. It's huge. And if, for example, we they create 2000 new homes a month, that's laudable, but it's not great when another another 500 hundred also present that month. The numbers are heading north all the time. It's not good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    emo72 wrote: »
    What vexes me it's posters basically trying to talk it down. I mean they are the ones with vested interests. Trying to make FG look like they are doing a great job.

    We really do have a homeless issue here. It's huge. And if, for example, we they create 2000 new homes a month, that's laudable, but it's not great when another another 500 hundred also present that month. The numbers are heading north all the time. It's not good.

    It’s not really huge now in fairness.

    Germany for example has 250,000 homeless.

    Now thats huge.


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