Do you think people should be allowed to bring dogs into shops/cafe/bar with them?

Hector Bellend · 28-05-2017 1:20pm

If it's not a guide dog then I'd have to ask why anyone would bring a pet to a restaurant\bar\cafe?

BabysCoffee · 28-05-2017 2:02pm

Hector Bellend wrote: »

If it's not a guide dog then I'd have to ask why anyone would bring a pet to a restaurant\bar\cafe?

Because you are out for a walk and want to go for a drink and you don't want to leave the dog tied up outside.

mahamageehad · 28-05-2017 2:15pm

dark crystal wrote: »

I've been to a few European cities and can't say I've ever seen dogs (or cats) in any eating or drinking establishments I've ever frequented. Is it really that common?

In Frankfurt it's incredibly common. You probably don't notice them because they're very well behaved? Pubs not so much, but cafes and restaurants and public transport would be very common. I'd have had the same experience in other German cities, plus in France. It'd even be normalish for friends coming over to visit to bring their dog, even to parties. Cats would be unusual though although I have seen people here walking cats (and once a rabbit

) on a leash!

Hector Bellend wrote: »

If it's not a guide dog then I'd have to ask why anyone would bring a pet to a restaurant\bar\cafe?

You're out with your dog for a walk on a warm day and you stop for a drink or a bite to eat? I don't think it's the case that people are at home planning to go out for a fancy dinner and they decide to bring the dog like.

freshpopcorn · 28-05-2017 2:20pm

mahamageehad wrote: »

You're out with your dog for a walk on a warm day and you stop for a drink or a bite to eat? I don't think it's the case that people are at home planning to go out for a fancy dinner and they decide to bring the dog like.

If it was allowed people would. Just look over at the animal and pet forum!

km991148 · 28-05-2017 2:29pm

Most of Europe allows dogs in more places than Ire.

I dont see the issue - if the dog owner acts like a d!ck and lets the dog run riot then they get asked to leave.
Same if there is one asshole friend in a group or very badly behaving children etc - group gets asked to leave.

If the premises are big enough they could consider splitting into sections.

As for hygiene - Jesus I have sat in the company of some seriously smelly people before! And they were allowed on the seats!

Hrududu · 28-05-2017 2:49pm

I'm not sure how a dog lying under a table would effect the hygiene of food being prepared in a different room.

oneilla · 28-05-2017 2:53pm

mahamageehad wrote: »

I'm in Europe and its completely normal for people to bring their dog on the train, bus, to restaurants, cafes, sometimes to bars. I've never yet see behaviour to be a problem. The expected standard of training is much higher though in my opinion. Dogs are trained well and socialized from a young age. In restaurants the dog usually lies down under or beside the table and doesn't move, regardless of noise, food smells, other dogs etc. It's not like half the mutts I know in Ireland who would be jumping up on ya and begging for food from the table.

Imagine the compensation claims! People claiming they were attacked by dogs, intimidated by them, fell over them etc etc

freshpopcorn · 28-05-2017 2:55pm

Hrududu wrote: »

I'm not sure how a dog lying under a table would effect the hygiene of food being prepared in a different room.

Some people rub the dog and then touch the salt/pepper/condiments/etc and then other people have to touch it!

Hrududu · 28-05-2017 3:00pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Some people rub the dog and then touch the salt/pepper/condiments/etc and then other people have to touch it!

But sure people could touch anything before coming into a cafe and do the same thing.

freshpopcorn · 28-05-2017 3:01pm

Hrududu wrote: »

But sure people could touch anything before coming into a cafe and do the same thing.

I know that but its can pretty disgusting to look at when your eating!

theniamh · 28-05-2017 3:08pm

After walks, on the walk home i have stopped off in pubs or outside of a restaurant with my dog. I have always asked first if it was okay. He is a great dog though, he sits and doesn't bother anyone, in fact its usually people annoying him when he is mid snooze. He lies down at my feet. He has gotten used to it. But I wouldn't bring him if he wasn't trained. I could only imagine the mayhem if he wasn't. Also when I am eating I am not petting my dog. Before I eat I wash my hands, while he is outside. I don't see the problem if they are good.

mahamageehad · 28-05-2017 3:08pm

oneilla wrote: »

Imagine the compensation claims! People claiming they were attacked by dogs, intimidated by them, fell over them etc etc

Yeah, there's been some crazy cases awarded recently to be fair. However, I was recently looking into getting a dog over here and I was blown away by how expensive it is. Every dog has to be registered, insured, microchipped and vaccinated. Puppy classes are normal for first time owners, but not required. If you have a special breed dog there's more rules like obligatory dog handling training and muzzles. I'm pretty sure you can be fined for not having your dog under control. Pet owners all carry bags to remove dog waste, and in some places there's even stations that provide supplies to clean up after your dog. There's just a different attitude to dogs here, and pets in general. Outdoor dogs are incredibly rare for example. Dogs are family members, and expected to behave like one.

smunchkins · 28-05-2017 5:51pm

It seems a lot of people have forgotten that dogs co-evolved with us.
People have been eating with them and sharing domestic space with them for all that time, and yet only now are they seen as "dirty" and "smelly" by some, with our ultra-clean, kills 100% of bacteria lives, which only leads to a) a weakened immune system and b)the progress of superbugs amongst the population.

Alpha_zero · 28-05-2017 5:53pm

Dogs are Dumb and have no souls

iceadtea · 28-05-2017 6:00pm

I miss my hometown for this reason, dogs can go everywhere as long as they are well behaved and under control. A few pubs local to me had separate dining areas and bar food areas so dogs didn't go into the actual restaurant part. To be honest I've worked in hospitality for years and have seen people do much more disgusting things (like scratching their butt or genitals) then touch the salt, pepper, table, cutlery which worry me way more than someone petting a dog and picking up the salt.

Ireland just doesn't seem overly dog friendly anyway, was a bit of a culture shock realizing lots of dogs live outside here!

28-05-2017 6:11pm

Do I want people to enter a supermarket with a dog,rub them and touch food in the shop? Eh no.. I'd prefer if the food wasn't mauled with or without the dog involved to be honest. :rolleyes:

I once saw a woman stick her finger in the coleslaw and then lick it before sticking it back in. So dogs are the least of my worries when it comes to manhandled food.

I've often brought my dog to cafes and pubs serving food and with permission sat outside with her and eaten. She is not even a small dog but I have never had a complaint and never noticed anyone visibly upset by her presence. In fact I've only ever had the most positive of reactions from owners and customers alike. She sits quietly under the table and prays for a morsel to make its way to her and she loves any interaction she gets from strangers while shes there. We've even eaten indoors on a couple of occasions where she was invited in by the owner and then given a bowl of free leftovers by the chef. (nobody even died as a result, it was amazing!)

I've also stayed in hotels with her on several occasions and never had an issue nor has anyone else or I'm sure it would have been brought to my attention.

I have a nervous yappy little terrier and I wouldn't dream of bringing him to any of those places. It wouldn't be fair on him, me or anyone else. I think its pretty obvious if this was commonplace in Ireland, it would be very unusual for someone to bring a troublesome or badly trained pet to any of the above.

Also, I think some people think there would be nowhere to go without dogs present. I doubt every single shop, cafe, bar and restaurant in Ireland would be forced to make their premises dog friendly. It would be an option only some would take up.

Alpha_zero · 28-05-2017 9:23pm

iceadtea wrote: »

I miss my hometown for this reason, dogs can go everywhere as long as they are well behaved and under control. A few pubs local to me had separate dining areas and bar food areas so dogs didn't go into the actual restaurant part. To be honest I've worked in hospitality for years and have seen people do much more disgusting things (like scratching their butt or genitals) then touch the salt, pepper, table, cutlery which worry me way more than someone petting a dog and picking up the salt.

Ireland just doesn't seem overly dog friendly anyway, was a bit of a culture shock realizing lots of dogs live outside here!

Dog friendly culture lol. Should they have rights enshrines in the constitution

riffmongous · 28-05-2017 9:41pm

I voted yes because I know it works fine as it's the norm where I live, but the norm here is also for dogs to be kept to a much higher standard of cleanliness than exists in Ireland, here the dogs feet and ass would be cleaned after every walk before coming inside, theyd always be under control during walks and not allowed roll around in ****e or anything and they are always properly socialised. (City dogs of course)

Outlaw Pete · 28-05-2017 10:09pm

annascott wrote: »

....obviously not some big snapping mud hound peeing everywhere.

Lots of them in Slane Castle yesterday..... but of the human variety.

jackofalltrades · 28-05-2017 10:46pm

Went to a dog friendly pub once on holiday.
Was quite the novelty to see a load of dogs in a pub.
Couple of observations from it though.

Dogs can be long enough lying down on the ground, which leaves them prone to being stood on.
The crowded environment, even though the pub was relatively quiet didn't suit nervous dogs.
One such dog was barking at everyone that came near the table that he was under.
He was a big dog, so it was quiet loud.
There was also other dogs that barked as they went past each other.

If it was just one or two and they were guaranteed to be well behaved then I could understand.
But people in this country as a whole just don't seem to be great at caring for their dogs.
That and it's a bit of a crap deal for people who are have a fear or dislike of them

blackbird 49 · 28-05-2017 10:53pm

Why not let them have another place where their darlings can **** and not pick it up

blackbird98 · 29-05-2017 10:22am

I'd have no problem, once the dog is not aggressive and kept under control. Sometimes I wish the owner was tied up outside and the dog allowed in!!!

gandalf · 29-05-2017 11:17am

I'm over in France a couple of times a year and this is one thing I can never get used to. The idea of having a dog in a restaurant is completely alien to me and if there is one near my table I find it takes away from enjoyment of my food (weird I know!).

Lollipops23 · 29-05-2017 12:01pm

I'm super allergic to dogs and cats, so much as I like them it would make me quite ill to be in a restaurant or pub and have them sitting anywhere near me.

AryaStark · 29-05-2017 8:08pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not talking about guide dogs or assistant dogs now but do you think people should be allowed to bring their pet to the supermarket with them and rub them and touch food in the shop. Would this bother you or would you like to see an Ireland where you can bring a dog anywhere?
I grew up with always being told to wash my hands after touching the cat/dog before I went to do anything else. So, I don't know would it be for me to be honest.

This is so funny. Do you think that dog fur is the worst thing that people have touched before going shopping.
People have a ****, have sex with someone else, stick their finger half up their ass to scratch it, pick their nose, and do all sorts of disgusting things. And children are also so dirty and running around shops touching things. And you are worried about people petting their dogs!!!!!!!!

Fathom · 29-05-2017 8:25pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not talking about guide dogs or assistant dogs now but do you think people should be allowed to bring their pet to the supermarket with them and rub them and touch food in the shop.

Months back. Watched dog in market. Lift leg. Peed. On rack of packaged bakery foods that almost reached floor. Owner jerked leash. Walked off. Told no one. Impression lasts for me. Whenever I see a dog in market now. I remember imagery. From before. Have seen dogs with mouth slobber. Tired from running. Or around food. Drooling. Shake heads in rotation. Slobber going everywhere. Several feet. Wonder if this happens in markets too? Highly trained guide dogs for handicapped. Or other health reasons. Fine by me. Otherwise, no thanks. I'll shop where they are not allowed.

Murrisk · 29-05-2017 8:32pm

pilly wrote: »

I'm kind of torn on this. While I'd love to be able to bring my dog into some places with me I understand some people don't like dogs.

I find a bar with a dog wandering around is a very relaxing place but would it be as relaxing if there was 5 or 6 dogs? Maybe not?

I like dogs but I was in a smoking area of a pub recently where there were four different dogs there at the same time. It was a bit much, lots of barking. A bit of food cadging too. Pretty annoying.

Murrisk · 29-05-2017 8:46pm

Fathom wrote: »

Months back. Watched dog in market. Lift leg. Peed. On rack of packaged bakery foods that almost reached floor. Owner jerked leash. Walked off. Told no one. Impression lasts for me. Whenever I see a dog in market now. I remember imagery. From before.

Have seen dogs with mouth slobber. Tired from running. Or around food. Drooling. Shake heads in rotation. Slobber going everywhere. Several feet. Wonder if this happens in markets too?

This is pretty much exactly what I envisage would happen if dogs were allowed in supermarkets. They can't be monitored 100% of the time. And people have mentioned unhygienic humans. But humans don't cock the leg and wee! Less slobbering out of humans too.

AryaStark · 29-05-2017 8:52pm

Murrisk wrote: »

This is pretty much exactly what I envisage would happen if dogs were allowed in supermarkets. They can't be monitored 100% of the time. And people have mentioned unhygienic humans. But humans don't cock the leg and wee! Less slobbering out of humans too.

I was in the supermarket last week and a girl was getting sick into the freezer... her friend then picked up some pizza boxes and covered it up... I told a member of staff who called the cleaner. Humans are dirty scum!

Murrisk · 29-05-2017 9:17pm

AryaStark wrote: »

I was in the supermarket last week and a girl was getting sick into the freezer... her friend then picked up some pizza boxes and covered it up... I told a member of staff who called the cleaner. Humans are dirty scum!

Poor girl. Bit harsh calling them scum, no? And vomit is not pleasant but is not an argument for adding another layer of dirt in the form of dog urine, now is it?

Don't understand the "Yeah, well, humans are worse!" thing. Most humans aren't scummy.

Do you think people should be allowed to bring dogs into shops/cafe/bar with them?

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