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thomond2006 · 15-06-2019 8:50pm

What were the odds on Wexford drawing three times?! It's absurd.

Buer · 15-06-2019 8:52pm

thomond2006 wrote:

What were the odds on Wexford drawing three times?! It's absurd.

Not as long as the odds on John Hayes being a Lion.

It's a crazy world we live in.

thomond2006 · 15-06-2019 9:01pm

Buer wrote: »

Not as long as the odds on John Hayes being a Lion.

It's a crazy world we live in.

Hayes beat the odds all his career, jesus Buer you know the gimmick at this stage.

stephen_n · 15-06-2019 11:21pm

Get a room

The Lost Sheep · 16-06-2019 12:00am

Anyone at Mumford and sons tonight last night or going to noel gal tomorrow?

mfceiling · 16-06-2019 8:00am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Anyone at Mumford and sons tonight last night or going to noel gal tomorrow?

Going to Noel tonight.

irishbucsfan · 16-06-2019 9:17am

Going to Noel as well

mfceiling · 16-06-2019 11:52am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Going to Noel as well

*High five*

Always knew IBF was sound.

Bazzo · 16-06-2019 5:45pm

Connacht champs.

Hard luck to Galway, we've all had days with a second half like that.

Neil3030 · 16-06-2019 5:48pm

I haven't the first idea about music these days. I still consider Kings of Leon a new band.

irishbucsfan · 16-06-2019 6:30pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

I haven't the first idea about music these days. I still consider Kings of Leon a new band.

Noel Gallagher is one to watch

Neil3030 · 16-06-2019 7:34pm

He's does showband gigs around Monasterevin doesn't he?

16-06-2019 7:43pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Noel Gallagher is one to watch

Diabhal Beag · 16-06-2019 8:49pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Connacht champs.

Hard luck to Galway, we've all had days with a second half like that.

Ye were certainly the better side today and enjoy the win. The loss was made much worse by the fact I was at both Galway defeats this weekend.

dregin · 16-06-2019 8:53pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Connacht champs.

Hard luck to Galway, we've all had days with a second half like that.

I was thinking of turning it off at half time, I was that annoyed at how poor Roscommon were. A great comeback. Fair play.

Neil3030 · 16-06-2019 10:03pm

I don't follow the GAA ball at all, who's looking most likely to lose to Dublin in this year's All Ireland?

troyzer · 16-06-2019 10:18pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

I don't follow the GAA ball at all, who's looking most likely to lose to Dublin in this year's All Ireland?

Probably Kerry or Donegal.

awec · 16-06-2019 10:58pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

I don't follow the GAA ball at all, who's looking most likely to lose to Dublin in this year's All Ireland?

Mayo are ****e and Tyrone are ****e so that leaves Kerry as this years offering.

Dubs for the football and Tipp for the hurling.

kuang1 · 17-06-2019 1:48am

awec wrote: »

Mayo are ****e and Tyrone are ****e so that leaves Kerry as this years offering.

Dubs for the football and Tipp for the hurling.

I'm as tuned out from GAA as I can get... But Mayo weren't in the connaught (connacht) final today?

But... But... But...

Bazzo · 17-06-2019 6:33am

kuang1 wrote: »

I'm as tuned out from GAA as I can get... But Mayo weren't in the connaught (connacht) final today?

But... But... But...

The Connacht final has been Galway Vs Roscommon for 4 years on the bounce now.

dregin · 17-06-2019 6:57am

awec wrote: »

Mayo are ****e and Tyrone are ****e so that leaves Kerry as this years offering.

Dubs for the football and Tipp for the hurling.

I don't get it. Why would it ever have been Tyrone?? I think Cavan could do very well this year. Worried Donegal won't have enough for them next week. Mickey Graham has had a serious couple of years in the club game and it seems to be carrying over to inter-county.

Buer · 17-06-2019 8:46am

dregin wrote: »

I don't get it. Why would it ever have been Tyrone?? I think Cavan could do very well this year. Worried Donegal won't have enough for them next week. Mickey Graham has had a serious couple of years in the club game and it seems to be carrying over to inter-county.

Tyrone lost their two opening games of the league but went unbeaten for the rest of the campaign including knocking off Dublin in Croker. I can see why people would have thought they had as good a chance as anyone. Whilst Mayo won the league, I'd have very little confidence in them still to win in Croker against Dublin. I was at the league game between them and something just falls apart inside Mayo heads when they see the blue jerseys in Croker.

Kerry are possibly looking the best of the rest right now but I wouldn't be backing them. They'll need to show more than they have so far in 2019 and, with the Super 8 format, I'd wonder if they have the depth to still be delivering at the end of August.

Dublin spluttered through the league campaign but they switched straight back into Championship mode once it started. It's hard to look beyond them right now.

dregin · 17-06-2019 9:11am

Does the league really mean anything at all? I don't generally keep up with GAA goings and comings and am only familiar with Cavan because I lived there for a while, but when was the last time the Division 1 league winners also won the Championship?

thomond2006 · 17-06-2019 9:13am

dregin wrote: »

Does the league really mean anything at all? I don't generally keep up with GAA goings and comings and am only familiar with Cavan because I lived there for a while, but when was the last time the Division 1 league winners also won the Championship?

Winning the league is a big deal for a team like Mayo who hadn't won anything since 2001. I doubt the current Dublin side care.

dregin · 17-06-2019 9:14am

I meant more does the league mean anything when judging potential winners of the championship. It really doesn't feel like it does.

thomond2006 · 17-06-2019 9:18am

dregin wrote: »

I meant more does the league mean anything when judging potential winners of the championship. It really doesn't feel like it does.

Certainly not this year! Waterford made the league final (where they were routinely dispatched by Limerick) and were then completely off the pace in Munster.

Buer · 17-06-2019 11:02am

dregin wrote: »

Does the league really mean anything at all? I don't generally keep up with GAA goings and comings and am only familiar with Cavan because I lived there for a while, but when was the last time the Division 1 league winners also won the Championship?

9 of the last 17 All Ireland titles were won by the team that won the league title.

It's certainly not a guaranteed measure but it would be unusual for a team to perform quite poorly in the league and then walk away with the All Ireland.

jr86 · 17-06-2019 11:46am

That stat will probably be skewed a bit by this Dublin side, who I think did the double in 2013, 15, 16 and 18.

Having a full squad at every training session, as well as massive strength in depth is a massive help during the NFL

Its hard to know overall how much difference it makes. Kerry - the last AI winners outside Dublin - barely stayed up in 2014 but then won the AI.

Donegal only barely stayed up in 2012 too I remember. Kerry won the league in 2017 but lost to Mayo in AI semi. Outside of this awesome Dublin side these are the only real recent-ish examples to go on

Buer wrote: »

I can see why people would have thought they had as good a chance as anyone. Whilst Mayo won the league, I'd have very little confidence in them still to win in Croker against Dublin. I was at the league game between them and something just falls apart inside Mayo heads when they see the blue jerseys in Croker.

While Mayo's days of putting it up to Dublin are probably gone I think the bolded is a bit harsh

In championship there's been a kick of the ball between the 2 in most meetings. And this has been a Mayo side operating without any true top forward, bar Cillian O'Connor on his day. If anything I think Mayo have nearly played above themselves to keep it close to this great Dublin side.

Personally I don't think anyone else will lay a glove on them over the next few years. last year was as much of an All Ireland procession as I can remember and I'd be very surprised if this year was any more competitive

Zzippy · 17-06-2019 12:56pm

jr86 wrote: »

That stat will probably be skewed a bit by this Dublin side, who I think did the double in 2013, 15, 16 and 18.

Having a full squad at every training session, as well as massive strength in depth is a massive help during the NFL

Its hard to know overall how much difference it makes. Kerry - the last AI winners outside Dublin - barely stayed up in 2014 but then won the AI.

Donegal only barely stayed up in 2012 too I remember. Kerry won the league in 2017 but lost to Mayo in AI semi. Outside of this awesome Dublin side these are the only real recent-ish examples to go on

While Mayo's days of putting it up to Dublin are probably gone I think the bolded is a bit harsh

In championship there's been a kick of the ball between the 2 in most meetings. And this has been a Mayo side operating without any true top forward, bar Cillian O'Connor on his day. If anything I think Mayo have nearly played above themselves to keep it close to this great Dublin side.

Personally I don't think anyone else will lay a glove on them over the next few years. last year was as much of an All Ireland procession as I can remember and I'd be very surprised if this year was any more competitive

The bolded bit is harsh too. Andy Moran has been an absolutely class forward for years. COC would be up there but his discipline lets him down, he should have even more red cards than he does.

jr86 · 17-06-2019 1:06pm

Moran had a fine 2017 campaign but hasn't been consistent enough outside of that for me. To be fair a lot of that is down to injuries but he's still a notch below being consistently 'top class' for me

I don't think he would ever have made this Dublin team, or the kerry/Tyrone sides of the 00s for example

awec · 17-06-2019 1:35pm

dregin wrote: »

Does the league really mean anything at all? I don't generally keep up with GAA goings and comings and am only familiar with Cavan because I lived there for a while, but when was the last time the Division 1 league winners also won the Championship?

The Allianz League is like the Pro14.

Buer · 17-06-2019 4:39pm

jr86 wrote: »

Outside of this awesome Dublin side these are the only real recent-ish examples to go on

You'd have to go back to 2008 to find a league winner that didn't make at least the quarter finals of the All Ireland and that only happened on one occasion. It has been a minimum of semi final for all other winners since then. Cork and Kerry have both won the league and AI in the same season since 2008.

It's by no means a guarantee of silverware but it is generally a pretty strong indication of a team that is hitting its stride and will be in the mix come the business end of the championship.

Buer · 17-06-2019 4:45pm

jr86 wrote: »

Moran had a fine 2017 campaign but hasn't been consistent enough outside of that for me. To be fair a lot of that is down to injuries but he's still a notch below being consistently 'top class' for me

I don't think he would ever have made this Dublin team, or the kerry/Tyrone sides of the 00s for example

He has been an excellent player but is on borrowed time and really should have walked away last year. He's 36 this year and I suspect his decision to keep at it is as much a business decision for him as it is a footballing one.

Zzippy · 17-06-2019 5:06pm

Buer wrote: »

He has been an excellent player but is on borrowed time and really should have walked away last year. He's 36 this year and I suspect his decision to keep at it is as much a business decision for him as it is a footballing one.

All true, but I was responding to a post that said "this has been a Mayo side operating without any true top forward". I was taking that as looking at Mayo over the last 6 years or so when they have been contesting All-Irelands. He might not have fitted into the Dublin team but IMO he 's been one of the top corner forwards of the last decade, and without him Mayo would not have been so close to silverware.

jr86 · 18-06-2019 9:03am

Buer wrote: »

He has been an excellent player but is on borrowed time and really should have walked away last year. He's 36 this year and I suspect his decision to keep at it is as much a business decision for him as it is a footballing one.

It was probably difficult for anyone to walk away in the circumstances last year - it would have been tough to jump ship right after their first early exit in 8 years

I could see an exodus after this season though.

swiwi_ · 18-06-2019 11:26am

Platini arrested in connection with Qatar bring awarded the soccer World Cup 2022.

Which I really don’t understand as a tournament in Qatar with 45 degree heat is a logical choice and therefore no money needed to have changed hands.

Squidgy Black · 18-06-2019 12:09pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Platini arrested in connection with Qatar bring awarded the soccer World Cup 2022.

Which I really don’t understand as a tournament in Qatar with 45 degree heat is a logical choice and therefore no money needed to have changed hands.

Don't forget the fact they had to build 9 brand new stadiums and renovate 3, as they one stadium up to scratch of holding world cup games. And they're being built by migrant workers who are dying and working under conditions that breach human rights.

Completely above board.

dregin · 18-06-2019 12:12pm

Is there any chance that 2022 will just be taken off em and given to someone like England?

Squidgy Black · 18-06-2019 12:17pm

dregin wrote: »

Is there any chance that 2022 will just be taken off em and given to someone like England?

Probably not at this stage, something like that would have to go to international courts etc. Qatar have already pumped millions if not billions into their stadiums and transport, and it probably doesn't leave adequate time for another nation to plan out the whole thing. As much of a sh!t show the Qatar WC will be, and the fact they got it through the ways they did, it'll be better than a complete logistical disaster if they were to move it at this point.

awec · 18-06-2019 12:27pm

Nobody else would be able to host 2022 at such short notice.

Mr Tickle · 18-06-2019 12:48pm

awec wrote: »

Nobody else would be able to host 2022 at such short notice.

Could they just go back to one of the recent hosts? somewhere that already has the infrastructure in place. Plus i'm sure they'd have learned from the experience.

swiwi_ · 18-06-2019 12:49pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Could they just go back to one of the recent hosts? somewhere that already has the infrastructure in place. Plus i'm sure they'd have learned from the experience.

If the price is right, anything is possible...

awec · 18-06-2019 1:19pm

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Could they just go back to one of the recent hosts? somewhere that already has the infrastructure in place. Plus i'm sure they'd have learned from the experience.

The previous hosts might have begun reworking / modifying their WC stadiums already.

errlloyd · 18-06-2019 1:25pm

The Qatar World Cup is gonna be a massive pain in the ass for fans, broadcasters and teams anyway. For a lot of those stakeholders a hastily organised world cup in England would be less **** than a very well organised world cup in Qatar. So I think they should take it off them and stick it in the UK.

swiwi_ · 18-06-2019 2:44pm

Feel genuinely sorry for the family Kriegel. Doubt the lads will learnt anything useful in prison nor contribute meaningfully to society when they are back outside.

Neil3030 · 18-06-2019 5:55pm

As an emergency plan B they could spread the tournament across several countries; say a group or two each. Avoids piling the entire logistical burden onto a single country at short notice.

troyzer · 18-06-2019 9:50pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Feel genuinely sorry for the family Kriegel. Doubt the lads will learnt anything useful in prison nor contribute meaningfully to society when they are back outside.

I bring my dog for a walk most days near that house. There are constantly new flowers being put down.

Just so horrific.

Squidgy Black · 18-06-2019 11:56pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

As an emergency plan B they could spread the tournament across several countries; say a group or two each. Avoids piling the entire logistical burden onto a single country at short notice.

England, France and Spain. Significant infrastructure in all three, especially in terms of connecting major cities, stadiums that could easily host games capacity wise, and a tourism industry that could more than likely support a split of 3/2/2 in terms of the groups per country. London alone could easily take 3 groups of 4 teams.

Won't happen though.

Neil3030 · 19-06-2019 12:17am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

England, France and Spain. Significant infrastructure in all three, especially in terms of connecting major cities, stadiums that could easily host games capacity wise, and a tourism industry that could more than likely support a split of 3/2/2 in terms of the groups per country. London alone could easily take 3 groups of 4 teams.

Won't happen though.

Aye, Germany might pitch in too. If Platini had a hand in nefariously awarding the tournament to Qatar it would be a tiny bit ironic if France got to host part of it!

errlloyd · 19-06-2019 12:18am

Neil3030 wrote: »

Aye, Germany might pitch in too. If Platini had a hand in nefariously awarding the tournament to Qatar it would be a tiny bit ironic if France got to host part of it!

Or Platini is playing both sides. Collected his Qatar Money to get France the bid, and collecting his France money to take it away. Genius.

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