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Shannon Airport Thread [Mod Warning in First Post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    finbarrk wrote: »
    Nice one. The only thing that would put me off is the 4 hours in a Ryanair seat.

    Don't let that put you off. You won't mind on the way out anyway. Corfu is a stunning country, get there if you get a chance.


    (Edit: Oops was thinking of Cyprus! Can't say much about Corfu, was there in the early 90's but all a bit of a haze!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon - Commercial Movements (IAA)

    |Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sept|Oct|Nov|Dec|Total
    2015|
    1,253
    |
    1,026
    |
    1,277
    |
    1,454
    |
    1,725
    |
    2,169
    |
    2,058
    |
    1,728
    |
    1,780
    |
    1,645
    |
    1,283
    |
    1,312
    |18,710
    2016|
    1,222
    |
    1,128
    |
    1,390
    |
    1,488
    |
    1,807
    |
    2,031
    |
    2,032
    |
    1,834
    |
    1,839
    |
    1,698
    |
    1,353
    |
    1,327
    |19,149
    2017|
    1,291
    |
    1,215
    |
    1,429
    |
    1,446
    |
    1,776
    |
    1,975
    |
    1,949
    |
    1,885
    |
    1,778
    |
    1,796
    |
    1,440
    |
    1,316
    |19,296
    2018|
    1,301
    |
    1,200
    |
    1,368
    |
    1,575
    |
    1,829
    |
    2,098
    |
    2,104
    |
    1,949
    |
    2,066
    |
    1,858
    |
    1,385
    |
    1,369
    |20,102
    2019|
    1,246
    |
    1,087
    |
    1,320
    |
    1,444
    |
    1,836
    |
    1,951
    |
    1,976
    |
    1,843
    |
    1,974
    |
    1,738
    |
    1,254
    |
    1,191
    |18,833
    2020|
    1,221
    |
    1,179
    |
    691
    |
    261
    |
    238
    |
    322
    |
    850
    |
    725
    |
    557
    |
    557
    |
    397
    |
    476
    |_7,229
    2021|
    333
    |
    372
    |
    477
    ||||||||||
    Change|-72.7%|-65.8%|-63.9%|||||||||

    The March figures are compared with the 2019 March figures.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Another new Ryanair route from Shannon. LPA starts in July as well every saturday until October.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    €6.3m in funding for Shannon Airport (Clare Herald)

    Shannon Airport is set to receive over €6.3m from a government programme aimed at assisting regional state airports.

    The allocations will contribute towards capital investment in the areas of safety, security and sustainability.

    Welcoming the announcement Mary Considine, CEO, Shannon Group said: “ . . . . . these funds will assist us to deliver a range of critical safety and security capital projects, including, security equipment upgrades, and airfield rehabilitation works.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭Masala


    They won’t be happy being called a Regional Airport....... ouch!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Masala wrote: »
    They won’t be happy being called a Regional Airport....... ouch!!

    I'm sure for €6.3 million they'd let you call it a grassy airfield!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Deagol




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Masala wrote: »
    They won’t be happy being called a Regional Airport....... ouch!!
    It will hurt if the EU don’t allow this funding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    DHL commences freight operations from Cork Airport (Irish Examiner)

    DHL Express is to establish new cargo operations from Cork running a daily flight to the courier service's largest European hub in Leipzig, Germany.

    The freight service will be operated initially by a Boeing 767 lower deck aircraft five days per week, Monday to Friday inclusive.

    Condor, the German leisure airline, has leased four Boeing 767-300’s to DHL to carry cargo instead of passengers. The aircraft are being used by DHL to supplement the increase in cargo capacity on a number of routes as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. One of these leased aircraft will operate on specific routes for DHL from their new operation at Cork Airport.

    Is this a new parallel service for Munster or have they moved the Shannon – Leipzig service using the Condor aircraft to Cork?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


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    Shannon Technical Services to create 80 jobs by 2023 (RTE)

    Irish-owned aviation company Shannon Technical Services has announced that it will create 80 new jobs by the end of 2023.

    The company, which is based in Shannon in Co Clare, currently employs 40 people.

    Founded in February 2019, its services include management of aircraft transitions, redeliveries, engine management and materials and logistics management for global aircraft lessors and airlines.

    It said it will increase headcount to 60 by the end of 2021, 100 by the end of 2022, and upwards to 120 by 2023.

    The new roles will be across operations, commercial, administration and aviation technical services.

    As part of its expansion, Shannon Technical Services (STS) said it will also open a new office in Dublin.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Pre Clearance for Private Aircraft

    According to Joe Buckley (Clare Echo) in 2019, we had 4,405 business jets movements, up 7.6 percent on 2018.

    Shannon Airport he calculated has already 70 percent of the Middle-East and European business aviation traffic heading to the North-Atlantic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    DTTAS Quarterly Aviation Statistics

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon Group records loss of €28.2 million for 2020 (RTE)

    The Shannon Group which runs the airport, a number of heritage sites and a property portfolio recorded a loss of €28.2 million last year as passenger figures and visitor numbers to the Mid West airport and region collapsed because of the Covid pandemic.

    Its annual report released this afternoon showed there were just 352,000 passengers last year, a 79% decrease on 2019, and a 92% reduction over the period April to December last year.

    There was also a collapse in visitors across its portfolio of heritage attractions, including Bunratty castle and folk park, and King Johns Castle in Limerick which are heavily reliant on international visitors. The sites recorded 302,000 visitors in 2020, a drop of 69% on 2019.

    Mary Considine CEO of the Shannon group said "These declines reflect the devastating impact of Covid-19 and were particularly disappointing given the optimism with which we embarked on 2020, forecasting growth for each of our Group businesses. We had secured new routes for the Airport, were continuing our strong property development strategy and anticipating growth at our heritage sites. Unfortunately, instead we found ourselves facing an unprecedented crisis which resulted in the Group recording a loss for the year of €28.2 million compared to a profit in 2019 of €21.6 million.

    "Government support through the provision of capital funding under the Covid-19 Regional State Airports Programme is a welcome contribution towards the overall cost of a range of critical safety and security projects to futureproof the Airport," she added.

    "We know the importance of air connectivity in supporting tourism, Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) and indigenous investment in our region and along the West Coast and the need to restore air services for these sectors is crucial.

    "We appreciate the range of Government supports Shannon Group has received since the onset of the pandemic and we will continue to advocate the benefits of putting in place a multi-year funding arrangement, providing capital and operational funding for State-owned regional airports, support packages for airlines for route development, along with an increase in route marketing funds available to Tourism Ireland which will be critical to the economic recovery of the regions," she said.

    Shannon Group's property business performed strongly during 2020.

    The Group continued to deliver on its property development strategy which has seen it invest over €130 million and deliver 1 million sq ft of commercial property solutions across the Shannon Campus at Shannon Free Zone and Shannon Airport since 2015.

    The development of three advanced manufacturing and logistics facilities totalling 148,000 sq ft on a 12-acre site in the Shannon Free Zone is now complete.

    The US/UK based clinical-stage gene therapy company MeiraGTx are currently undertaking a fit out in the two buildings they have secured thee.

    Further strategic developments are planned for the Shannon Campus in 2021.

    The next phase of its property portfolio development strategy will see the delivery of a new 40,000 sq ft R&D high bay technology unit, the redevelopment of two existing buildings as multi-purpose units and small office suites, as well as advancing a planning application for the development of a 60,000 sq ft warehousing facility.

    To go from a profit of €21.6 million in 2019 to a loss of €28.2 million in 2020, is a savage negative change of €50 million in one year!

    2021 will be just as difficult for sure too.

    Here is a link to their Annual Report Publications.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Looks like Covid has the potential to be a handy excuse for any missed targets for the next few years anyway.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    To go from a profit of €21.6 million in 2019 to a loss of €28.2 million in 2020, is a savage negative change of €50 million in one year!

    2021 will be just as difficult for sure too.

    Here is a link to their Annual Report Publications.

    The headline figure will be the massive loss but looking at the accounts you can see 2 "Exceptional Items"
    (i) Provision for voluntary severance scheme
    A voluntary severance scheme was launched during 2020. An exceptional charge of €3,436,000 was recorded during the
    year in respect of costs arising under this scheme (Note 22).
    (ii) Impairment loss on tangible fixed assets
    Management have considered the carrying value of property, plant and equipment at 31 December 2020 by reference to
    the estimated value in use of assets within the Airport CGU. An impairment test was performed on a value in use basis,
    resulting in an impairment loss of €24,484,000 (Note 10).
    Take those 2 exceptional items out of it the airport is almost at breakeven point, which considering the year is a fair achievement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    I had to google as to find out as to what Impairment Loss means.

    So does this reflect the need to upgrade an aged airport infrastructure or is it to reflect the depressed nature of the aviation sector?
    How Is Impairment Loss Calculated? (Investopedia)

    Impairment occurs when a business asset suffers a depreciation in fair market value in excess of the book value of the asset on the company's financial statements.

    Under the U.S. generally accepted accounting principles, or GAAP, assets that are considered "impaired" must be recognized as a loss on an income statement.

    Understanding Impairment Loss

    The technical definition of the impairment loss is a decrease in net carrying value, the acquisition cost minus depreciation, of an asset that is greater than the future undisclosed cash flow of the same asset. Impairment occurs when assets are sold or abandoned because the company no longer expects them to benefit long-run operations.

    This is different from a write-down, though impairment losses often result in a tax deferral for the asset.1

    Depending on the type of asset being impaired, stockholders of a publicly held company may also lose equity in their shares, which results in a lower debt-to-equity ratio.2

    Calculating Impairment Loss

    The first step is to identify the factors that lead to an asset's impairment. Some factors may include changes in market conditions, new legislation or regulatory enforcement, turnover in the workforce or decreased asset functionality due to aging. In some circumstances, the asset itself may be functioning as well as ever, but new technology or new techniques may cause the fair market value of the asset to drop significantly.

    A fair market calculation is key; asset impairment cannot be recognized without a good approximation of fair market value. Fair market value is the price the asset would fetch if it was sold on the market. This is sometimes described as the future cash flow the asset would expect to generate in continued business operations.

    Another term for this value is "recoverable amount." Once the fair market value is assigned, it is then compared to the carrying value of the asset as represented on the company's financial statements. Carrying value does not need to be recalculated at this time since it exists in previous accounting records.

    If the calculated costs of holding the asset exceed the calculated fair market value, the asset is considered to be impaired. If the asset in question is going to be disposed of, the costs associated with the disposal must be added back into the net of the future net value less the carrying value.34

    Impairment losses are either recognized through the cost model or the revaluation model, depending on whether the debited amount was changed through the new, adjusted fair market valuation described above. Even when impairment results in a small tax benefit for the company, the realization of impairment is bad for the company as a whole. It usually represents the need for an increased reinvestment.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    My understanding of it, and I know nothing about finance, I've done the "Finance for Non-Finance Managers" about 10 times at this stage in my career :D:D:D:D,
    is that means that something that was worth something at some stage, and you still regard it to be worth something but you've moved on to other stuff. The way it was described to me, you bought your PS1 for €100, it's still worth €100 to you because you still have it and might use it, you put it up in the attic and forget about it but it's still a €100 asset to you, but when you clear out the attic and throw it out, regardless of the fact that you don't use it anymore you need to account for that €100


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Kramer


    Clareman wrote: »
    The headline figure will be the massive loss but looking at the accounts you can see 2 "Exceptional Items"

    Take those 2 exceptional items out of it the airport is almost at breakeven point, which considering the year is a fair achievement.

    That doesn't sound credible, that a desserted airport with many fixed costs, fire service/airport police, air traffic control etc., could break even with next to zero passengers.
    I reckon it's some accounting spin - maybe Pascal had some input! We did have reasonable GDP growth last year after all :eek:.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,715 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Kramer wrote: »
    That doesn't sound credible, that a desserted airport with many fixed costs, fire service/airport police, air traffic control etc., could break even with next to zero passengers.
    I reckon it's some accounting spin - maybe Pascal had some input! We did have reasonable GDP growth last year after all :eek:.

    The property portfolio covers everything. The airport is nowhere near breaking even.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    golfball37 wrote: »
    The property portfolio covers everything. The airport is nowhere near breaking even.
    Agreed, the airport only covers part of the Shannon Group activities.

    Regarding the core property assets they are slowly upgrading the stock.

    Take a trip around the industrial estate and you can still see some legacy buildings.
    These are no longer suitable for modern industry.
    Eventually they will need to be demolished as upgrading them is not viable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭Masala


    **** me... that’s some impairment! €24m. That’s €24,000,000

    What the **** falls in value that quick in 12 months.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    Kramer wrote: »
    That doesn't sound credible, that a desserted airport with many fixed costs, fire service/airport police, air traffic control etc., could break even with next to zero passengers.
    I reckon it's some accounting spin - maybe Pascal had some input! We did have reasonable GDP growth last year after all :eek:.
    Air Traffic Control is provided by the IAA not the airport, their annual report is also out.

    While the number of passengers is effectively zero the freighters continue to operate.
    So some income is coming in from airport operations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    Masala wrote: »
    **** me... that’s some impairment! €24m. That’s €24,000,000

    What the **** falls in value that quick in 12 months.....

    Old buildings in the industrial estate which were overvalued from the start.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Renovo Motors Inc.

    Renovo creates 30 jobs with the establishment of it’s EMEA HQ in Shannon

    Founded in 2010, Renovo has designed and developed the world’s most advanced data management solution to greatly enhance the development of future software-defined vehicles. The award-winning platform developed by Renovo enables intelligent data capture and management from advanced software-defined vehicle architectures which is then optimized to enhance and improve performance, safety, and speed to market for the current and next generation of vehicle OEMs.

    As our business continues to expand across the EMEA Region, it became critically important to establish a strong headquarters presence in the EU that would support our objectives for the region. After a thorough investigation of potential sites, I am delighted to say that Ireland’s Mid-West became the obvious location for Renovo’s EMEA HQ. “ Said Chris Heiser, CoFounder, and CEO, Renovo ” This decision was made all the easier with the Mid-West’s established community of Auto-tech companies and the opportunity to leverage our local efforts with key partners like Jaguar Land Rover, Seagate, and Cisco.”

    That is a nice boost for the Future Mobility Campus Ireland (FMCI) project (see post 6040)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row




    Protecting Borders with intelligent real time analytics solutions (Milestone Systems)

    Discover how Shannon Airport achieves situational awareness using radar and video solutions to mitigate perimeter security threats from air, water and land. After the case study, we will discuss some of the future challenges within perimeter security with guest speakers from Shannon Airport and our Partner Navtech Radar.

    Interesting video.

    Mick Wallace and Clare Daly will have to don wildlife costumes to out smart this security tool. ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    No Aer Lingus US flights from Shannon until 2022? (Clare Herald)

    Aer Lingus transatlantic services from Shannon Airport could remain grounded until summer 2022 while the airline’s schedule ‘remains under review’.

    It’s believed a document outlining the airline’s timeline for the resumption of services, circulating among company workers, states that the Shannon to New York and Boston routes will not recommence until the middle of next year.

    It’s understood that a document, which outlines the airline’s plans for resuming schedules, outlines plans to resume operations on previously operated routes from Dublin as well commencing new services from Dublin and Manchester to destinations including Barbados and Mexico.

    It also says however that the Shannon to New York (JFK) and Boston routes have had their “suspensions extended” to S22 (summer 2022) or “February mid-terms or early March.”

    If one puts a question mark over the "US Customs & Border Pre-Clearance" facilities, one can be equally concerned of the "Heathrow Slots" too.
    There’s also speculation about the future of the popular Aer Lingus Shannon/London Heathrow service with some suggesting that if flights resume on the route, it may not be with an aircraft that would be based at Shannon.

    The airline would usually have one Airbus A320 aircraft based at Shannon to serve the London Heathrow route while a long range A321neo have been used to operate transatlantic services to New York and Boston.

    Independent TD for Clare Michael McNamara said: “This is a cause of great concern but is indicative of the government’s laissez faire attitude to aviation which is now coming home to roost. It’s not just this government but also previous governments.”

    “It’s ironic that some of the Aer Lingus fleet is now being deployed to operate from Manchester when there are no plans to resume services from Shannon.

    I am also concerned for the Shannon to Heathrow service and for the future of the airline’s slots at Heathrow if they’re not used. It’s clear that the government’s aviation policy is at odds with its regional development and foreign direct investment policy,” Deputy McNamara added.


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    There was a USAF flight came in yesterday evening, brought the kids up for a look.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭Brennans Row


    Shannon - Commercial Movements (IAA)

    |Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sept|Oct|Nov|Dec|Total
    2015|
    1,253
    |
    1,026
    |
    1,277
    |
    1,454
    |
    1,725
    |
    2,169
    |
    2,058
    |
    1,728
    |
    1,780
    |
    1,645
    |
    1,283
    |
    1,312
    |18,710
    2016|
    1,222
    |
    1,128
    |
    1,390
    |
    1,488
    |
    1,807
    |
    2,031
    |
    2,032
    |
    1,834
    |
    1,839
    |
    1,698
    |
    1,353
    |
    1,327
    |19,149
    2017|
    1,291
    |
    1,215
    |
    1,429
    |
    1,446
    |
    1,776
    |
    1,975
    |
    1,949
    |
    1,885
    |
    1,778
    |
    1,796
    |
    1,440
    |
    1,316
    |19,296
    2018|
    1,301
    |
    1,200
    |
    1,368
    |
    1,575
    |
    1,829
    |
    2,098
    |
    2,104
    |
    1,949
    |
    2,066
    |
    1,858
    |
    1,385
    |
    1,369
    |20,102
    2019|
    1,246
    |
    1,087
    |
    1,320
    |
    1,444
    |
    1,836
    |
    1,951
    |
    1,976
    |
    1,843
    |
    1,974
    |
    1,738
    |
    1,254
    |
    1,191
    |18,833
    2020|
    1,221
    |
    1,179
    |
    691
    |
    261
    |
    238
    |
    322
    |
    850
    |
    725
    |
    557
    |
    557
    |
    397
    |
    476
    |_7,229
    2021|
    333
    |
    372
    |
    477
    |
    368
    |||||||||
    Change|-72.7%|-65.8%|-63.9%|-74.5%||||||||

    The 2021 figures from March onwards are compared with the corresponding month in 2019.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Shannon - Newark is on sale with United from March 27th 2022. All subject to change of course.

    SNN EWR UA977 12.30-14.50
    EWR SNN UA976 22.55-10.10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Avgeek2101 wrote: »
    Shannon - Newark is on sale with United from March 27th 2022. All subject to change of course.

    SNN EWR UA977 12.30-14.50
    EWR SNN UA976 22.55-10.10

    Good too see there is still appetite for these routes, they are the stronghold of Shannon.

    I note that these flights will still be operated by 757-200's. Given that the newest of these aircraft will be 18 years old by the time this route recommences, it's fair to assume these aircraft won't operate on this route for much longer.

    One would wonder what United's plans are for this route once the 757 leaves their fleet. American Airlines planned this year to operate their route to Philadelphia on a 787 (before it's eventual cancellation).

    You'd also wonder if Delta will make a comeback.


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    UA have 50 Airbus A321 XLR on order so they could operate SNN EWR instead.

    Hopefully these flights would return next year with the vaccine been rolled out. It was mentioned by SNN in an article that UA/DL would return in 22/23. So they could possibly return next year as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Once DL pull out of an airport, they usually don't return so I wouldn't be too hopeful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Once DL pull out of an airport, they usually don't return so I wouldn't be too hopeful.

    There's a big difference between pulling out of an airport and halting flights due to a worldwide pandemic and almost complete cessation in leisure travel. Delta have cancelled routes on a very large portion of their network, will none of these see flights return?

    Delta had previously signalled intention to restart in 2021.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    There's a big difference between pulling out of an airport and halting flights due to a worldwide pandemic and almost complete cessation in leisure travel. Delta have cancelled routes on a very large portion of their network, will none of these see flights return?

    Delta had previously signalled intention to restart in 2021.

    They always said they wouldn't operate the route in 2021, they said that last August.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,470 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Avgeek2101 wrote: »
    Shannon - Newark is on sale with United from March 27th 2022. All subject to change of course.

    SNN EWR UA977 12.30-14.50
    EWR SNN UA976 22.55-10.10

    I miss the UA24/25 flight number :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    They always said they wouldn't operate the route in 2021, they said that last August.

    No, they did not. See article from June 2020, when United announced they were not operating in 2021.

    http://clareherald.com/2020/06/shannon-group-disappointed-at-united-flights-news-12222/

    "“We are pleased that American Airlines, Delta and Aer Lingus have indicated that they will resume their transatlantic services from Shannon in 2021."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭McSween


    I miss the UA24/25 flight number :D

    Ridiculous but i noticed that too :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    No, they did not. See article from June 2020, when United announced they were not operating in 2021.

    http://clareherald.com/2020/06/shannon-group-disappointed-at-united-flights-news-12222/

    "“We are pleased that American Airlines, Delta and Aer Lingus have indicated that they will resume their transatlantic services from Shannon in 2021."

    Yes they did, see article from August 2020.

    https://m.independent.ie/business/delta-air-lines-dumps-shannon-new-york-link-for-2021-39468580.html

    Also the Clare herald which you linked to had an article stating the same on August 21st last year.

    Staff who work the DL flights in SNN were informed on August 11th that they wouldn't operate this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Yes they did, see article from August 2020.

    https://m.independent.ie/business/delta-air-lines-dumps-shannon-new-york-link-for-2021-39468580.html

    Also the Clare herald which you linked to had an article stating the same on August 21st last year.

    Staff who work the DL flights in SNN were informed on August 11th that they wouldn't operate this year.

    I think we're arguing the same points here.

    I said they originally signalled an intent to return to Shannon in 2021, which they did, during the pandemic, in June.

    This however changed in August, when they announced they wouldn't, however it was the original intention back in June.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    I would imagine DL gave absolutely no indication that they would continue the service in 2021. Just hot air being blown by someone in the airport to try and calm people down about the UA announcement.

    I'll be very shocked if we see a scheduled DL or UA flight before 2023 tbh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    In completely shocking, unexpected news, Aer Lingus are permanently closing their Shannon base. Now let another airline, possibly even an Irish one, in properly and get a proper base going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,478 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    Disaster. But it doesn't say whether the vital Heathrow flights will resume - continue.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0518/1222358-aer-lingus-cork/


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Aer lingus declared the airport inefficient, whatever they mean by that. Time for our local political representatives to step up to the mark or else it will become a ghost town


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Aer lingus declared the airport inefficient, whatever they mean by that. Time for our local political representatives to step up to the mark or else it will become a ghost town

    No its not, the politicians who want to use this stick are completely corrupt and utterly useless. They based their "save Shannon" shtick during this pandemic solely at Aer Lingus completely ignoring the other handlers that operate a lot more flights and have a lot more staff in the airport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,229 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    The constant pessimistic soundbites from government in relation to international travel doesn't help, there'll be very little confidence in travelling in 2021.

    Hugely concerning for the airport, not entirely shocking though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    In completely shocking, unexpected news, Aer Lingus are permanently closing their Shannon base. Now let another airline, possibly even an Irish one, in properly and get a proper base going.

    Just to clarify this. They are closing their cabin crew base but will still base aircraft here I understand. Aer Lingus didn't base pilots here instead choosing to use Dublin based pilots so I'm assuming a similar routine will happen here. I'm not exactly sure how this saves costs but it must do for them to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    Just to clarify this. They are closing their cabin crew base but will still base aircraft here I understand. Aer Lingus didn't base pilots here instead choosing to use Dublin based pilots so I'm assuming a similar routine will happen here. I'm not exactly sure how this saves costs but it must do for them to do it.

    It means there are no cabin crew based in Shannon so there will be no base aircraft. If they continue any routes(Heathrow) then it won't be any Shannon crew involved other than a skeletal ground ops team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,305 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Sad news to get


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 24,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Clareman


    Terrible news as this means that there won't be anymore early morning flights to Heathrow.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭JamesBond2010


    Clareman wrote: »
    Terrible news as this means that there won't be anymore early morning flights to Heathrow.




    ya your right & that slot was up for renewal soon as well. Aer lingus got their wish used covid as the excuse then to close it.


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