Trouble on Tory Island...

Cookie_Monster · 10-02-2018 10:40pm

Odelay wrote: »

What do you add to the nation? Why should we keep you?

nothing, I've already left

donegaLroad · 10-02-2018 11:13pm

Odelay wrote: »

No, they can't do that. It is not certified as a ferry. But I know you were probably kidding.
I like to deal in facts and simple yes or no if a vessel is deemed fit for purpose by a marine engineer. Still awaiting Bobs report on the ferry.

Yep, just joking. I have since heard another angle to the ferry saga. Will post when im in front of a keyboard.. hate this phone!

Atlantic Dawn · 10-02-2018 11:19pm

The islanders are apparently coming up to Dublin to protest outside the Dail on Wednesday, they should have a Father Ted themed protest for the craic.

donegaLroad · 10-02-2018 11:57pm

There are 2 ferries to Tory, the winter ferry which is smaller and faster, and the summer ferry which is larger and slower.

The winter ferry can get to Tory in around 35 minutes and is more comfortable.

The summer ferry can take an hour + to do the journey, and causes sea sickness for many of the passengers. I experienced this last April when the person I was along with became sea sick on the way back.

3 to 4 smaller ferries would make the journey faster and easier for most of the passengers, plus it would increase the volume of visitors to the island. (The Scandinavians have realised this over the years, and are now using smaller, faster water taxi ferries to cross the fjords.)

The Islanders feel that they are being handed a 'pig-in-a-poke' with this old large boat which is being offered to replace the larger summer ferry.

Bob_Marley · 11-02-2018 12:36am

donegaLroad wrote: »

There are 2 ferries to Tory, the winter ferry which is smaller and faster, and the summer ferry which is larger and slower.

The winter ferry can get to Tory in around 35 minutes and is more comfortable.

The summer ferry can take an hour + to do the journey, and causes sea sickness for many of the passengers. I experienced this last April when the person I was along with became sea sick on the way back.

3 to 4 smaller ferries would make the journey faster and easier for most of the passengers, plus it would increase the volume of visitors to the island. (The Scandinavians have realised this over the years, and are now using smaller, faster water taxi ferries to cross the fjords.)

The Islanders feel that they are being handed a 'pig-in-a-poke' with this old large boat which is being offered to replace the larger summer ferry.

but sure all those sea going local people and Scandinavians know nothing and the haters on their keyboards here know everything

wexie · 11-02-2018 12:41am

Bob_Marley wrote: »

but sure all those sea going local people and Scandinavians know nothing and the haters on their keyboards here know everything

donegaLroad wrote: »

3 to 4 smaller ferries would make the journey faster and easier for most of the passengers, plus it would increase the volume of visitors to the island. (The Scandinavians have realised this over the years, and are now using smaller, faster water taxi ferries to cross the fjords.)

Weren't you arguing they needed a larger ferry just a few pages back there Bob?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Atlantic Dawn · 11-02-2018 12:42am

donegaLroad wrote: »

3 to 4 smaller ferries would make the journey faster and easier for most of the passengers, plus it would increase the volume of visitors to the island. (The Scandinavians have realised this over the years, and are now using smaller, faster water taxi ferries to cross the fjords.)

The problem is that the weather in the area is not the same as the Fjords, a larger boat is better for this reason.

Bob_Marley · 11-02-2018 12:56am

wexie wrote: »

Weren't you arguing they needed a larger ferry just a few pages back there Bob?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

unlike yourself, I'm willing to listen to the local people who know a lot more about it than you.

parishsavings · 11-02-2018 12:56am

Is the new service run by Arranmore Ferries?

One of the ferries serving Arranmore was built in 1974

donegaLroad · 11-02-2018 1:05am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The problem is that the weather in the area is not the same as the Fjords, a larger boat is better for this reason.

yes, I know that there is no swell in the fjords. The smaller ferry can handle the larger waves as much as the bigger ferry, its just that they can reach the destination in approx half the time, usually with a lot less sea sickness. The bigger boat has more slower movement from side to side.

*Im sensing by your username that you may be more accustomed to a larger vessel?

wexie · 11-02-2018 1:12am

donegaLroad wrote: »

*Im sensing by your username that you may be more accustomed to a larger vessel?

I'm going to go ahead and assume he's somewhat more qualified in these matters than most of us.

Atlantic Dawn SO.914

donegaLroad · 11-02-2018 1:15am

wexie wrote: »

I'm going to go ahead and assume he's somewhat more qualified in these matters than most of us.

Atlantic Dawn SO.914

this yoke is more suitable for hardy sea-faring men that will be out for months, not the day trippers!

wexie · 11-02-2018 1:19am

donegaLroad wrote: »

this yoke is more suitable for hardy sea-faring men that will be out for months, not the day trippers!

Must have pretty decent wifi coverage out there

Patty O Furniture · 11-02-2018 3:49am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Is there evidence that the ferry is unsafe?

If it meets or exceeds all that is looked for in the lines of surveys/inspections etc, I don't see what the problem is.

Let's hope something is sorted out, afaik plenty of tourism going there & considering your username, they're making a remake too, afaik based on Barra back then? they need a film crew there or something similar to scifi film Grabbers that was based in Donegal too.

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Fit for purpose like the school bus in Clare this week?
http://www.clare.fm/news/gardai-seize-clare-school-bus-badly-worn-tires-rust/

I couldn't believe some buses are exempt from testing, as some even had a '74 reg:eek:

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, it's a way of life that works for some people and doesn't work for others.

Some people move into the country for a "slower pace of life" and to be away from the rat-race. If rural living is still too fast and manic for you, you head off to the islands.

There was a series on RTE last year or the year before about it, quite interesting actually. A fair number of people do move there, but mostly people who marry an islander or people returning home to take over the family business.

They're having trouble with populations now because their younger people are heading off to the mainland to go to college, and understandably they find the island life far too dull when they return. Whereas in the past someone who finished school would take up a trade or whatever and hone their skills on the island. So by the time they're 30, they're well settled into island living.

That was called 'Bliain in Arainn Mhor' afaik 1st shown on TG4 then RTE, it showed how the Island copes through the seasons,
From how the children live & learn there, now that the island has now a Secondary school, that once had to go to the mainland, through to the Bean an Ti with the summer colleges.

Also some are moving back from the UK, to set up a business there & somewhere safe for their kids to grow up too.

Ajsoprano wrote: »

But the Aran islands is the Aran islands. I only heard about Tory island when they started banging on about a boat last year. One of its tourist attractions is a washed up torpedo and a stone that if you stand on it you can make a wish.

Is it about island rivalry or who gets to drive the boat?

Hasn't Kerry got one of those too, no not Daithi o Se

PRidley · 11-02-2018 12:35pm

Isn't the current ferry service operated by a company who has an ex Fine Gael councillor (padraig Doherty) as a director?

A quick google shows that this gentleman was in the news a few years back when the Standards in Public Office - SIPO - carried out an investigation into travel expenses discrepancies in Donegal County Council!

Politics is unlikely to have anything to do with all of this??!!

donegaLroad · 11-02-2018 12:40pm

PRidley wrote: »

Isn't the current ferry service operated by a company who has an ex Fine Gael councillor (padraig Doherty) as a director?

A quick google shows that this gentleman was in the news a few years back when the Standards in Public Office - SIPO - carried out an investigation into travel expenses discrepancies in Donegal County Council!

Politics is unlikely to have anything to do with all of this??!!

Nothing is ever straight forward in this country.

Bob_Marley · 11-02-2018 12:47pm

PRidley wrote: »

Isn't the current ferry service operated by a company who has an ex Fine Gael councillor (padraig Doherty) as a director?

A quick google shows that this gentleman was in the news a few years back when the Standards in Public Office - SIPO - carried out an investigation into travel expenses discrepancies in Donegal County Council!

Politics is unlikely to have anything to do with all of this??!!

I wonder who owns the 41 year old bucket that got passed and what are their connections, that would also be very interesting.

PRidley · 11-02-2018 12:54pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

I wonder who owns the 41 year old bucket that got passed and what are their connections, that would also be very interesting.

The new service operator has been named in the media many times. It would be interesting to see what are their connections - do you know?

11-02-2018 1:13pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

I wonder who owns the 41 year old bucket that got passed and what are their connections, that would also be very interesting.

I havent time to read the entire thread. Did you ever give a clear answer exactly what was wrong with that vessel?

Widdensushi · 11-02-2018 1:28pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I havent time to read the entire thread. Did you ever give a clear answer exactly what was wrong with that vessel?

It's bigger, faster, can carry more but its older from what I can find online. It looks like there is something else going on here as I presume even though it's older both vessels would have to be checked annually by probably the same surveyor.

PRidley · 11-02-2018 1:53pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

I havent time to read the entire thread. Did you ever give a clear answer exactly what was wrong with that vessel?

It seems from the thread that the main concern is the age of the boat being proposed by the new operator, the fact that the existing boat has been especially designed for the route and that the proposed boat has not.

The argument that the existing boat was built especially for the route does not make sense. Boats are, and have been for years, designed for the sea conditions on a route but not for a particular route. It would be interesting if someone could describe the features that have been designed into the existing vessel which makes it uniquely suitable for this route.

It would be also be interesting to know the technical reasons for why the proposed boat is considered to be "unsafe" and/or "unsuitable". Does anyone know what sea conditions it was designed for and do they know if those conditions are not appropriate for this crossing?

From what I can see on their website the certifying system used by the Marine Transport Department takes account of the sea conditions where the boat will be operating because every vessel has what are called "plying limits". It would be a surprise if the proposed operator would get permission to use the boat if it was not safe for the crossing.

If the people who are worried about the safety of the proposed boat have genuine, justifiable concerns, I am sure the Marine Transport Department would be willing to consider those before granting a licence to the new operator. An argument based on comments such as "41 year old bucket" would not hold much water with them I'd imagine - pardon the pun.

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 3:24pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

I wonder who owns the 41 year old bucket that got passed and what are their connections, that would also be very interesting.

ya really should change the record about a 41 year old bucket . There is no ''getting passed '' a survey , are you connected in any way to the original operator . There have been fishing vessels in the past that were inspected by lloyd's , during building , lloyd's who are the standard recognised the world over who have come into irish ports and been detained by irish surveyors due to what the deemed as faults.
just because the locals are complaining about the new ferry not being safe it does not make it true and just because they live on an island doesn't make them experts on vessel stability or sea going capabilities and no matter what vessel is in service or what the sea conditions are on any day , the final decision to sail or not is the decision of the skipper not the owner/operator

Bob_Marley · 11-02-2018 3:42pm

wexandproud wrote: »

ya really should change the record about a 41 year old bucket . There is no ''getting passed '' a survey , are you connected in any way to the original operator . There have been fishing vessels in the past that were inspected by lloyd's , during building , lloyd's who are the standard recognised the world over who have come into irish ports and been detained by irish surveyors due to what the deemed as faults.
just because the locals are complaining about the new ferry not being safe it does not make it true and just because they live on an island doesn't make them experts on vessel stability or sea going capabilities and no matter what vessel is in service or what the sea conditions are on any day , the final decision to sail or not is the decision of the skipper not the owner/operator

Actually I'll believe the local islanders genuine concerns and motivations over yours anyday, and those who seems to be more interested in trying to portray them as ignorant mucksavages that should just accept whatever unacceptable service they are given.

11-02-2018 3:46pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

Actually I'll believe the local islanders genuine concerns and motivations over yours anyday, and those who seems to be more interested in trying to portray them as ignorant mucksavages that should just accept whatever unacceptable service they are given.

Bob,

What exactly are the local concerns?

Please list the engineering and seagoing issues with the new vessel?

Thanks

TerrorFirmer · 11-02-2018 3:47pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

Actually I'll believe the local islanders genuine concerns and motivations over yours anyday, and those who seems to be more interested in trying to portray them as ignorant mucksavages that should just accept whatever unacceptable service they are given.

Your general contribution to this thread:

Bob_Marley · 11-02-2018 3:52pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Your general contribution to this thread:

You can post all the juvenile cartoons you like, I'll trust the local Islanders point of view any day over yours..

11-02-2018 3:57pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

You can post all the juvenile cartoons you like, I'll trust the local Islanders point of view any day over the yours..

WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE ISSUES WITH THE NEW BOAT?

LIST THEM

Atlantic Dawn · 11-02-2018 3:58pm

Both boats are twin enginned, this is a great safety feature in that each is independent and also allows much better maneuverability when docking. They would have regular inspections likely involving untrasound inspections of the hull strength for corrosion. Boats after exposure to seawater can look like they are way past their sell by date at times but all they need it a lick of paint and perhaps a sandblasting and they are back looking like new.

Here's both boats out of the water for refits...
http://mooneyboats.ie/news/queen-of-aran/
http://mooneyboats.ie/news/the-tor-mor/

wexie · 11-02-2018 3:58pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE ISSUES WITH THE NEW BOAT?

LIST THEM

We don't need to know, cause the islanders know and that's all that matters...

:rolleyes:

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 4:00pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

Actually I'll believe the local islanders genuine concerns and motivations over yours anyday, and those who seems to be more interested in trying to portray them as ignorant mucksavages that should just accept whatever unacceptable service they are given.

and what motivations or concerns do i have exactly , I haven't expressed any concerns at all . quiet the opposite actually , i would have no concern at all that whatever vessel used will be deemed fit for purpose by people far more qualified to do so , far more qualified than any of the island population , and anybody on here , including myself . what experience with marine surveyors do you have , what experience the sea do you have other than saying the boat is a 40 year old bucket
you still didn't answer the question i asked earlier about ''what better standards do you keep refering to '?

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 4:04pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Both boats are twin enginned, this is a great safety feature in that each is independent and also allows much better maneuverability when docking. They would have regular inspections likely involving untrasound inspections of the hull strength for corrosion. Boats after exposure to seawater can look like they are way past their sell by date at times but all they need it a lick of paint and perhaps a sandblasting and they are back looking like new.

Here's both boats out of the water for refits...
http://mooneyboats.ie/news/queen-of-aran/
http://mooneyboats.ie/news/the-tor-mor/

if they were in ''mooney boats'' they'll be in good nick going back in thats for sure , and you know yourself the plates after 'blasting ' will be carefully tested and if below 'i think ' 80 % of original thickness they will be replaced

Bob_Marley · 11-02-2018 4:13pm

wexandproud wrote: »

and what motivations or concerns do i have exactly , I haven't expressed any concerns at all . quiet the opposite actually , i would have no concern at all that whatever vessel used will be deemed fit for purpose by people far more qualified to do so , far more qualified than any of the island population , and anybody on here , including myself . what experience with marine surveyors do you have , what experience the sea do you have other than saying the boat is a 40 year old bucket
you still didn't answer the question i asked earlier about ''what better standards do you keep refering to '?

I presume the local Islanders have very genuine concerns, you presume the Islanders to be ignorant and not to have marine knowledge or qualifications, - as I said I'll trust their motivations and knowledge over someone radomer complaining and ranting about them on the internet anyday.

wexie · 11-02-2018 4:20pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

I presume the local Islanders have very genuine concerns, you presume the Islanders to be ignorant and not to have marine knowledge or qualifications, -

So you don't actually know what these genuine concerns are then do you?
Glad we got that cleared up

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 4:22pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

I presume the local Islanders have very genuine concerns, you presume the Islanders to be ignorant and not to have any marine knowledge or qualifications, - as I said I'll trust their motivations and knowledge over someone radomer complaining and ranting about them on the internet anyday.

id love to know what the real motivation is . For the record i have 27 years commercial fishing experience and have had numerous boats gone through surveys so i know exactly whats involved in getting a boat through a survey . Fair enough to you i am a randomer on here , what about the people on tory how well do you know all the people complaining .
What about yourself what experience do you have except maybe taking a boat trip now and again

i have just seen the highlighted part where you quoted me . how many qualified surveyors live on the island or how many surveyors are complaining about the new boat

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 4:31pm

wexie wrote: »

So you don't actually know what these genuine concerns are then do you?
Glad we got that cleared up

id say the concerns are something else other that the boat involved , the boat could be just a scapegoat

Alun · 11-02-2018 4:36pm

@wexandproud, would there be a difference in the sea conditions the two boats would be able to operate in? To a layman such as myself, the Tor Mor looks to be similar to a fishing vessel and possibly be up for more extreme conditions than the Queen of Aran which looks more like a pleasure cruiser type boat.

Harry Palmr · 11-02-2018 4:42pm

I've just been prompted to google Tory, my God how could anyone live there and what does anyone actually do there apart from be a bit arty and crafty? No way to grow anything except under glass - not a single tree on the island, no fuel, no way to move a vehicle on/off the island. A million quid for a school containing 15 pupils and seven teachers (is that the economy?).

Odyssey 2005 · 11-02-2018 4:44pm

Is there a Rasta commune on Tory );)

donegaLroad · 11-02-2018 4:57pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I've just been prompted to google Tory, my God how could anyone live there and what does anyone actually do there apart from be a bit arty and crafty? No way to grow anything except under glass - not a single tree on the island, no fuel, no way to move a vehicle on/off the island. A million quid for a school containing 15 pupils and seven teachers (is that the economy?).

Socially it would be difficult from November until March.. great if you were writing a book or an album.

Its another world out there, I would live on it for a year. You would have great peace.

The kids at the school have a lot of advantages in terms of resources, and a pupil teacher ratio of 2:1

Harry Palmr · 11-02-2018 5:00pm

donegaLroad wrote: »

Socially it would be difficult from November until March.. great if you were writing a book or an album.

Its another world out there, I would live on it for a year. You would have great peace.

The kids at the school have a lot of advantages in terms of resources, and a pupil teacher ratio of 2:1

You might, I wouldn't and I do not say that as some city slicker by instinct. I'd feel utterly trapped and the sheer lack of foliage would do my head in.

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 5:01pm

Alun wrote: »

@wexandproud, would there be a difference in the sea conditions the two boats would be able to operate in? To a layman such as myself, the Tor Mor looks to be similar to a fishing vessel and possibly be up for more extreme conditions than the Queen of Aran which looks more like a pleasure cruiser type boat.

its hard to say just looking at photos , unless you know what the 'new vessel ' was built to do although the blue one does look to be able to handle a head on sea better than the smaller one but if the smaller one was slowed back a little she would be fine . having said that , It all boils down to the stability calculation of the boats . basically There is a point in all boats which all buoyancy wants upward force and all weight has a downward force , they will place weight on one side of the boat , then the other in various states of the vessel being full to different levels of fuel , water and people and the list [angle of heel] will be measured. the survey office will then do a matamathical calculation to see what conditions the vessel can operate in and how much it can carry . Stability is complicated but thats basically what will be done . The thickness of the hull will also be measured by ultrasound and any parts worn will have to be replaced . In any case a vessel will not be passed unless it is fit for purpose . There may also be restrictions placed on the boat regarding the conditions a boat can go to see in and like i said before the ultimate decision will be with the skipper even if the sea conditions are within the restrictions the skipper can make a decision not to sail if he feels it is not safe to do so .
you also have to bear in mind that a boat can usually handle a lot more weather than the passengers

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 5:04pm

donegaLroad wrote: »

Socially it would be difficult from November until March.. great if you were writing a book or an album.

Its another world out there, I would live on it for a year. You would have great peace.

The kids at the school have a lot of advantages in terms of resources, and a pupil teacher ratio of 2:1

dont think id like it for a year , after all this publicity i might go for a weekend sometime , id like to see the place ...... providing the boat is ok

PRidley · 11-02-2018 5:10pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I've just been prompted to google Tory, my God how could anyone live there and what does anyone actually do there apart from be a bit arty and crafty? No way to grow anything except under glass - not a single tree on the island, no fuel, no way to move a vehicle on/off the island. A million quid for a school containing 15 pupils and seven teachers (is that the economy?).

And almost €600,000 per year in subsidies for boat and air services - according to Dept of Culture website! The existing ferry service gets around €400,000 per year. It would be difficult to adjust to losing that much subsidy every year.

wexie · 11-02-2018 5:16pm

wexandproud wrote: »

...... providing the boat is ok

wexie · 11-02-2018 5:22pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

and the sheer lack of foliage would do my head in.

.....yeah...not sure why but I think I'd find that quite unsettling

donegaLroad · 11-02-2018 5:31pm

I was on Tory a couple of times, I know Patsy Dan Rogers and he is quite a character. It is time-stand-still on the island, you keep time by the ferry coming and going. The club opens at around 7pm off season and there is wifi there, there is also wifi in the hotel. The cliffs at the back of the island are spectacular.

It is isolated, an hour on the larger boat to the mainland, and another 50 minutes to Letterkenny which is the nearest proper big town. In fairness though, I have been to places in Canada where you would not see or speak to another person all day. Bizarrely, I found living in downtown Toronto in the heart of winter pretty isolating (I was working for myself and would get up to the local for a couple on my own at night)

Bob_Marley · 11-02-2018 5:52pm

wexandproud wrote: »

i have just seen the highlighted part where you quoted me . how many qualified surveyors live on the island or how many surveyors are complaining about the new boat

You were the one that claimed the people living on Tory Island, nine miles off the coast in some of the roughest seas around Ireland are by comparison, unqualified know nothings when it comes to marine engineering and sea fairing.

It's your claim for you to prove. I don't presume they know nothing, and I certainly don't have to because you demand me to. More now than ever, I'll take their genuine concerns over your disdain for the Tory Islanders marine knowledge, experience in their own waters and your apparent regional hatred and bias.

PRidley · 11-02-2018 6:11pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

You were the one that claimed the people living on Tory Island, nine miles off the coast in some of the roughest seas around Ireland are by comparison, unqualified know nothings when it comes to marine engineering and sea fairing.

I know this is someone else's argument but I think in fairness the poster concerned did not claim that the people on Tory are unqualified "know nothings". They are your words.

I believe your contributions would be much more valuable if you could answer the numerous questions asked of you with facts rather than opinions.

I find it surprising that the service to Tory has been operated by non-island operators for years. For a "sea fairing" island it is a wonder that they do not operate a service themselves.

Nomis21 · 11-02-2018 6:14pm

donegaLroad wrote: »

It is isolated, an hour on the larger boat to the mainland, and another 50 minutes to Letterkenny which is the nearest proper big town. In fairness though, I have been to places in Canada where you would not see or speak to another person all day. Bizarrely, I found living in downtown Toronto in the heart of winter pretty isolating (I was working for myself and would get up to the local for a couple on my own at night)

I went there four times last year traveling from near Athlone just because I had such a good time the first time I wanted to go back and spend more time there. There is no public transport to the port on the mainland but the owner of the ferry would take me in his car from Bunbeg each time for free, and if he was busy the captain of the boat would take me, even though I have an FTP and the ferry is free for me.

You are never alone on Tory. Every person you meet on the street will stop and chat with you for as long as you like, including Patsy Dan who is one of the most entertaining people I have ever met.

The islanders I met were mostly over 60 years old and nearly all of them worked and lived around the Holloway Road area of London for a good part of their lives. One guy told me he was always shouted at in London for always leaving the door to the house open

wexandproud · 11-02-2018 7:08pm

Bob_Marley wrote: »

You were the one that claimed the people living on Tory Island, nine miles off the coast in some of the roughest seas around Ireland are by comparison, unqualified know nothings when it comes to marine engineering and sea fairing.

It's your claim for you to prove. I don't presume they know nothing, and I certainly don't have to because you demand me to. More now than ever, I'll take their genuine concerns over your disdain for the Tory Islanders marine knowledge, experience in their own waters and your apparent regional hatred and bias.

never claimed any such thing never showed any disdain for the islander and i never showed any hatred for the area , why should i , the only thing i questioned was their qualifications to say if a boat is fit for purpose , a question very few people in ireland can answer .Like i said im not aware of any qualified surveyor coming from tory but i am open to correction on that .
You do however seem reluctant to state your qualifications , experience at sea or indeed as wexie asked , what really are the peoples concern you also seem to be getting more interested in having digs at me

Trouble on Tory Island...

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