Tommy Robinson jailed

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2018 4:38pm

terryduff12 wrote: »

Quote a post I was talking about this specific thread, I'm talking about everyone that has an issue of someone talking about Islam and being branded a racist. Even a muslim talking about Islam isn't giving the time of day because he'll be branded Far Right.

People have an issue with Tommy turning up at an ongoing trial and doing his best to get a mistrial like the attention seeking clown that he is.

terryduff12 · 30-05-2018 4:48pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

People have an issue with Tommy turning up at an ongoing trial and doing his best to get a mistrial like the attention seeking clown that he is.

Think you have Tommie mania, Tommie on the brain. You swear he's gonna bring the justice system crashing down. Mistrial has happened already? after all Tommie was Arrested and locked up all in one day sure that's speedy service, can't he get a mistrial now since people have been talking about him being arrested

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2018 4:50pm

terryduff12 wrote: »

Think you have Tommie mania, Tommie on the brain. You swear he's gonna bring the justice system crashing down. Mistrial has happened already after all Tommie was Arrested and locked up all in one day sure that's speedy service, can't he get a mistrial now since people have been talking about him being arrested

This is a thread about tommy robinson. What do you expect people to talk about?

Captain Obvious · 30-05-2018 4:58pm

terryduff12 wrote: »

Quote a post I was talking about this specific thread, I'm talking about everyone that has an issue of someone talking about Islam and being branded a racist. Even a muslim talking about Islam isn't giving the time of day because he'll be branded Far Right.

Figured you were full of it. I'd be surprised if you could find a single post in this forum singing the praises of Islam.

terryduff12 · 30-05-2018 4:58pm

Corruption

terryduff12 · 30-05-2018 5:02pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Figured you were full of it. I'd be surprised if you could find a single post in this forum singing the praises of Islam.

Full of what???????????????????
Have I mentioned someone's name in a post. Id be surprised if you would and could say something bad about islam

Captain Obvious · 30-05-2018 5:04pm

terryduff12 wrote: »

Full of what???????????????????
Have I mentioned someone's name in a post. Id be surprised if you would and could say something bad about islam

You're giving out about people singing the praises of Islam but you can't find a single example of them doing so.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 5:05pm

listermint wrote: »

You lied,

Then corrected yourself.

I commend you on correcting yourself but does not excuse the original post was in fact 'a lie'....

Can you point out to me please where i lied?

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 5:06pm

weisses wrote: »

Your source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntWieh7YIgY

Again, Caolan Robertson was my source.

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2018 5:09pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Can you point out to me please where i lied?

thebull85 wrote: »

Again, Caolan Robertson was my source.

this is the lie. the fact that you were willing to take somebody on Info Wars at face value is worrying.

thebull85 wrote: »

So according to Caolan Robertson, The judge said "freedom of speech comes with consequences". He also didnt take into account Tommys suspended sentence it was just a straight 13 month sentence.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 5:10pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

this is the lie. the fact that you were willing to take somebody on Info Wars at face value is worrying.

According to Caolan Robertson.... i said...

So i didnt lie...

terryduff12 · 30-05-2018 5:13pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You're giving out about people singing the praises of Islam but you can't find a single example of them doing so.

I already answered that maybe you cant read or your phone didn't refresh properly. Like I asked full of what and can you say a bad thing about Islam I can say a good thing Islam is a religion of peace

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2018 5:14pm

thebull85 wrote: »

According to Caolan Robertson.... i said...

So i didnt lie...

you repeated a lie without confirming if it was true. that is as bad.

Captain Obvious · 30-05-2018 5:17pm

terryduff12 wrote: »

I already answered that maybe you cant read or your phone didn't refresh properly. Like I asked full of what and can you say a bad thing about Islam I can say a good thing Islam is a religion of peace

First of all, I don't believe you are being sincere. Second, have a look back over my post history and I've been critical of Islam and all organised religion before. It's always dangerous to give people an impression that they have some superiorityover others and Islam is one of the religions that does this. Thirdly, if you weren't actually talking about anyone in particular then what point were you trying to make?

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 5:18pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you repeated a lie without confirming if it was true. that is as bad.

Well why didnt you say that instead of spending the afternoon calling me a liar.

Your pulling up articles by some "secret barrister" on the internet. Thats hardly credible either. We could argue about sources all day.

It was a mistake for me to post an interview from infowars with Caolan. But as i said earlier it was just to show i hadnt made it up out of thin air.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 5:25pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you repeated a lie without confirming if it was true. that is as bad.

Any comment on the blatant lies from your source?

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2018 5:31pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Well why didnt you say that instead of spending the afternoon calling me a liar.

Your pulling up articles by some "secret barrister" on the internet. Thats hardly credible either. We could argue about sources all day.

It was a mistake for me to post an interview from infowars with Caolan. But as i said earlier it was just to show i hadnt made it up out of thin air.

i also linked to a news report from two journalists who were in the court. We could argue about sources all day but it would still come back to you relying on terrible sources that ANYBODY who was interested in intelligent discussion would know were rubbish.

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2018 5:32pm

thebull85 wrote: »

Any comment on the blatant lies from your source?

which were?

terryduff12 · 30-05-2018 5:33pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

First of all, I don't believe you are being sincere. Second, have a look back over my post history and I've been critical of Islam and all organised religion before. It's always dangerous to give people an impression that they have some superiorityover others and Islam is one of the religions that does this. Thirdly, if you weren't actually talking about anyone in particular then what point were you trying to make?

I am sincere. I worked in Manchester and live with a muslim for a time sound lad never had a problem with him he was going through a divorce at the time. Tommie grew up in Luton it now has over 30 mosques in over 20 years and increasing. Point I try and make is anyone that is critical of Islam is a racist your shut down when you try and say something about it.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 5:33pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

which were?

So you didnt spot any untruths in the article no?

I guess not if you are looking to have them pointed out to you.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 5:48pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i also linked to a news report from two journalists who were in the court. We could argue about sources all day but it would still come back to you relying on terrible sources that ANYBODY who was interested in intelligent discussion would know were rubbish.

I cant quite fathom how you can keep going on about the source, i quoted caolans words, i then posted the actual video of him saying those words. Yes it was alex jones of infowars but he is not the source.

But lets just say for arguments sake, Caolan does the very same interview on the late late show with Ryan Tubridy.

Would RTE now be the source? Would ryan tubridy and the late late show be the source?

Or is the source that actual person that says the words...?

Grayson · 30-05-2018 5:59pm

thebull85 wrote: »

I cant quite fathom how you can keep going on about the source, i quoted caolans words, i then posted the actual video of him saying those words. Yes it was alex jones of infowars but he is not the source.

But lets just say for arguments sake, Caolan does the very same interview on the late late show with Ryan Tubridy.

Would RTE now be the source? Would ryan tubridy and the late late show be the source?

Or is the source that actual person that says the words...?

RTE would be the source of the interview. He would be the source of any claims he made.

So if you said "he said X on RTE" there are two assertions in that sentence, that he said X and that he was RTE. If either of those is not true the original statement is untrue.

However neither of those confirms the validity of X. Let's say X = "all trees are green" we would still need to investigate that.

The unfortunate fact is though that a source can have a reputation for being untrue. Now that doesn't make a particular statement untrue but it makes it more likely to be.

So if you want to make a statement and expect it to be believed it's best to use a source which had a good reputation or some way to independently verify that their statement is true.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 6:08pm

Grayson wrote: »

RTE would be the source of the interview. He would be the source of any claims he made.

So if you said "he said X on RTE" there are two assertions in that sentence, that he said X and that he was RTE. If either of those is not true the original statement is untrue.

However neither of those confirms the validity of X. Let's say X = "all trees are green" we would still need to investigate that.

The unfortunate fact is though that a source can have a reputation for being untrue. Now that doesn't make a particular statement untrue but it makes it more likely to be.

So if you want to make a statement and expect it to be believed it's best to use a source which had a good reputation or some way to independently verify that their statement is true.

Thanks for that.

Captain Obvious · 30-05-2018 6:19pm

terryduff12 wrote: »

I am sincere. I worked in Manchester and live with a muslim for a time sound lad never had a problem with him he was going through a divorce at the time. Tommie grew up in Luton it now has over 30 mosques in over 20 years and increasing. Point I try and make is anyone that is critical of Islam is a racist your shut down when you try and say something about it.

No, that's just the right wing victim complex. You can criticise a religion if you want. Where you become racist is when you try to use the actions of a person or small group to judge the character of a massive amount of others simply because they share a certain cultural or physical similarity.

terryduff12 · 30-05-2018 6:32pm

There's more than a small group. I criticized it and you more or less brought up right wing so like I said whatever way you look at it you say something about Islam your racist.

ohnonotgmail · 30-05-2018 7:03pm

thebull85 wrote: »

So you didnt spot any untruths in the article no?

I guess not if you are looking to have them pointed out to you.

Is that the best you can do? Too much to expect a reasonable response to a reasonable question i suppose.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 7:07pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is that the best you can do? Too much to expect a reasonable response to a reasonable question i suppose.

You were the one that chose to answer a question with a question.

You need to practice what you preach.

Tipsy McSwagger · 30-05-2018 8:43pm

If the British establishment served justice to those Pakistani Grooming gangs as quickly as they served it to Tommy Robinson then hundreds of underage white girls could have been saved.

Captain Obvious · 30-05-2018 8:51pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

If the British establishment served justice to those Pakistani Grooming gangs as quickly as they served it to Tommy Robinson then hundreds of underage white girls could have been saved.

Wasn't that what they were doing both times he breached court reporting rules?

El Weirdo · 30-05-2018 8:58pm

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

If the British establishment served justice to those Pakistani Grooming gangs as quickly as they served it to Tommy Robinson then hundreds of underage white girls could have been saved.

*sigh*

Fair play to all of ye trying to explain to people such as the above what exactly happened to Lennon. I'd have been banned by now.

terryduff12 · 30-05-2018 8:58pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FniPiSLut8

Another Far right lad

TomSweeney · 30-05-2018 9:13pm

terryduff12 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FniPiSLut8

Another Far right lad

Yeah what a far right nazi thug ... lock him up too ...

How dare he speak the truth !!!

TomSweeney · 30-05-2018 9:59pm

Good interview ... whatever you think of the guy, he is bang on here.

If you think he doesn't you have to be in denial.

thebull85 · 30-05-2018 10:28pm

TomSweeney wrote: »

Good interview ... whatever you think of the guy, he is bang on here.

If you think he doesn't you have to be in denial.

I didnt actually know Salah Abdeslam was chilling in Molenbeek while he was one of the most wanted men in the world for the Paris attacks, and then the locals attacked the police as they were arresting him.

I wonder why Molenbeek is such a sh*thole.

ohnonotgmail · 31-05-2018 9:16am

TomSweeney wrote: »

Good interview ... whatever you think of the guy, he is bang on here.

If you think he doesn't you have to be in denial.

what does this have to do with him being locked up for contempt of court?

wes · 31-05-2018 10:53am

Guardian journalist Owen Jones has received threats from the Yaxley-Lennon fan club:

‘Tommy Robinson’ is no martyr to freedom of speech

--SNIP--
They portray their opponents as traitors. Condemning the likes of Yaxley-Lennon instantly brings threats of violence on social media: recent messages I’ve received include “Owen Jones your get what’s coming to you very soon you prick”, “Until one day one of us bumps into you I can’t wait”, “I hope someone fills your jaw you little prick”, “Remember places, traitors’ faces, you will pay for crimes”, ad infinitum..
--SNIP--

Such wonderful people the Yaxley-Lennon fan club threatening violence, due to the law being rightly being enforced.

jmayo · 31-05-2018 10:53am

Deleted User wrote: »

The sooner everyone sits down and irons out their differences the better.

Just how that is going to be done is anyone's guess.

You just don't get it.
This isn't the PIRA, ETA, a trade union, Iran, North Korea, Britain and Brexit, etc.
Ok maybe not Britain and Brexit because Britain hasn't a clue what it wants.

The only thing a fundamentalist islamist wants is you to convert usually to a salafist/wahhabist version of sunni islam.

They don't want independent state like ETA, they don't want to join another country like PIRA, they want to drag you into a world wide muslim caliphate.
They don't want rights for some group of people like a trade union, they want no rights for everyone, bar the right to be subservient to a pile of crud written millennia ago.

They don't want a say in government, they want to be government.

And some will say what about moderate muslims ?

Well by the looks of it a moderate muslim wants the right to still have women living as second class citizens, wants the right to dictate how secular schools operate, wants to ban the publishing of anything that is critical of their religion, wants to make homosexuality a criminal offense.

Now some will argue those that want such things are not deemed moderate muslims, but fundamentalists.
Of course if that is the case then over 50% of the muslims in the UK are fundamentalist as over 50% are deemed to be anti homosexuality and want to make it a criminal offense.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what does this have to do with him being locked up for contempt of court?

And what does his record for mortgage fraud have to do him being locked up for contempt of court ?
What does him founding the EDL have to do with him being locked up for contempt?
What does his football hooligan days have to do with him being locked up for contempt ?

Yet all of those have been fired out there every time his name is mentioned by one side around here.

Grayson · 31-05-2018 11:07am

jmayo wrote: »

And what does his record for mortgage fraud have to do him being locked up for contempt of court ?
What does him founding the EDL have to do with him being locked up for contempt?
What does his football hooligan days have to do with him being locked up for contempt ?

Yet all of those have been fired out there every time his name is mentioned by one side around here.

They have nothing to do with his contempt of court. they just make him a fraudulent, violent scumbag prick. His contempt of court conviction just means we can say he's a stupid, fraudulent, violent scumbag prick.

seachto7 · 31-05-2018 11:30am

But when some posh alickadoo gets done for mortgage fraud here, they're not considered "scumbags". In fact, most of them are still out socialising in the same shallow tacky haunts they previously would have been. "New business venture....."

ohnonotgmail · 31-05-2018 11:34am

seachto7 wrote: »

But when some posh alickadoo gets done for mortgage fraud here, they're not considered "scumbags". In fact, most of them are still out socialising in the same shallow tacky haunts they previously would have been. "New business venture....."

he has done a bit more than just commit mortgage fraud. It is his other activities that make him a scumbag.

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Grayson · 31-05-2018 11:42am

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

If the British establishment served justice to those Pakistani Grooming gangs as quickly as they served it to Tommy Robinson then hundreds of underage white girls could have been saved.

I agree. If the abusers had all pled guilty rather than go to trial, this would have been over far quicker.
It might have also helped if they'd committed the offense outside a court house.

Zubeneschamali · 31-05-2018 11:56am

Grayson wrote: »

It might have also helped if they'd committed the offense outside a court house.

How about if they committed the offense at a court house, were convicted, sentenced and specifically warned by the judge that if they did it again they would be locked up, and then proceeded to commit the offense at another courthouse within a year?

Grayson · 31-05-2018 12:01pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

How about if they committed the offense at a court house, were convicted, sentenced and specifically warned by the judge that if they did it again they would be locked up, and then proceeded to commit the offense at another courthouse within a year?

That might be too much to expect. No-ones that stupid

ancapailldorcha · 31-05-2018 12:04pm

wes wrote: »

Guardian journalist Owen Jones has received threats from the Yaxley-Lennon fan club:

Such wonderful people the Yaxley-Lennon fan club threatening violence, due to the law being rightly being enforced.

Almost as if they don't actually care about free speech at all...

Captain Obvious · 31-05-2018 12:34pm

Grayson wrote: »

I agree. If the abusers had all pled guilty rather than go to trial, this would have been over far quicker.
It might have also helped if they'd committed the offense outside a court house.

In front of the judge

The_Kew_Tour · 31-05-2018 12:40pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he has done a bit more than just commit mortgage fraud. It is his other activities that make him a scumbag.

Ouch, no sympathy for him there

murphthesmurf · 31-05-2018 12:47pm

Grayson wrote: »

I agree. If the abusers had all pled guilty rather than go to trial, this would have been over far quicker.
It might have also helped if they'd committed the offense outside a court house.

Oh come on, I understand your point but the Muslim rape gangs were operating for the best part of 30 years. The police knew, they had recieved numerous complaints over the years. Social workers also knew. This has been shown. There is an interesting video on Youtube of a talk given by the reporter who first broke the story of what was happening (sorry I've tried to find it to link to it but can't ), heart breaking to listen to. They only started arresting people after hebroke the story. One incident he talks of was a 13yr old girl in a flat above a takeaway. The police were called by the girls parents. When they arrived they found her upstairs with 7 men, she was intoxicated. The polioce arrested her, not the men, no questions were asked of them. She was arrested for drunken disorderly.
As a previous poster said, had the law persued these men with the vigour they have persued Tommy Robinson thousand of girls lives would have been saved from rape and abuse.
Tommy Robinson is no angel, but he knew what was going on as many other English people did. But he was the only person who was talking out about what was happening. He was jailed for mortgage fraud, if you listen to his interviews it was hardly crime of the century. Yet there are thousands on the UK terrorist watch list, and they can't find anything to lock any of them up on. Not even an unpaid parking ticket.

Tipsy McSwagger · 31-05-2018 12:55pm

Grayson wrote: »

I agree. If the abusers had all pled guilty rather than go to trial, this would have been over far quicker.
It might have also helped if they'd committed the offense outside a court house.

You’ve already quoted this post but still don’t get it. I’ll give you a clue, ‘quickly’.

johnp001 · 31-05-2018 12:57pm

murphthesmurf wrote: »

...
There is an interesting video on Youtube of a talk given by the reporter who first broke the story of what was happening (sorry I've tried to find it to link to it but can't ), heart breaking to listen to. They only started arresting people after hebroke the story. One incident he talks of was a 13yr old girl in a flat above a takeaway. The police were called by the girls parents. When they arrived they found her upstairs with 7 men, she was intoxicated. The polioce arrested her, not the men, no questions were asked of them. She was arrested for drunken disorderly.
...

Is this the talk you are referring to?

murphthesmurf · 31-05-2018 1:28pm

johnp001 wrote: »

Is this the talk you are referring to?

Thats the one, thanks.

Tommy Robinson jailed

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