Punchestown festival 2021

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

It amazes me that Cheltenham has threads a year out and then individual threads for each day and then other great meetings.. nothing.

Rachael has taken the ride on Envoi for his clash against Monkfish on Tuesday, please god this goes ahead and there are no late withdrawals.

Would absolutely love to be going up for a few days but thanks to covid I'll be watching on a tablet in work instead. Hopefully we will be back on a course before the summer is out.

I think most of the regulars here moved to a telegram forum for Cheltenham and didn't come back after it finished. This forum has been dead for the last month not worth checking anymore

A certain over zealous moderator had more to do with it than the telegram group lads

Frozen Veg wrote: »

Better line up than Cheltenham.

I think there are some fabulous head-to-heads but not a lot of great racing as the fields are very small. For me most of these head to heads are a pure toss of the coin and most are even money or odds on so I will be watching but keeping my money in my pocket

Day 1 we have 3 grade 1s

Blue Lord vs Echoes in the rain - 5 runners
Allaho vs Chaucon pour soi - 7 runners
Envoi Allen vs Monkfish - 4 runners

RivetingRoger wrote: »

A certain over zealous moderator had more to do with it than the telegram group lads

Spot on, along with posters on the verge of calling someone they disagree with a big poopyhead.

akelly02 wrote: »

You back in telegram rog?

thats where all the winners are

the Gold cup was looking interesting on Wednesday but it seems Minella Indo is out now with a bruised foot so another small field of 6

Telegram, what is this mysterious thing you speak of???

bladespin wrote: »

Telegram, what is this mysterious thing you speak of???

Its just a platform for Slattsy and Mig to argue about who has the bigger willy really

The rest of us just watch

Willy watch

Would be shocked if Rachel won, Ruby walsh was saying she'll need at least 8 winners as Townend will get minimum 3(think he's being extremely cautious here, after all this is Mullins main festival).

Patrick and Jamie codd also level, Ruby said if/when Paul has his in the bag that he'll allow Patrick better rides later in the week so Patrick should win his. I see he chose to ride Sir Gerhard so thats enough for me to pick him.

What a days racing ahead, having a few bets for small stakes.

Punchestown 3.40

Djasek and Scholastic singles and r/f/c. Very competitive race but both of these caught my eye last time and both will be well suited to a big field and likely strong gallop.

Djasek last time he ran over hurdles was given no chance held up behind an easy front running winner who went on to win on the flat since and Djasek himself ran well on the flat in a race since to finish 3rd despite running on too late. I get the impression he will like the better ground and Carberry will put him to sleep out the back and arrive there swinging.

Scholastic is another that will travel away lovely. Eyecatching in a few graded juvenile races on soft prior to going over to Cheltenhams April meeting into a juvenile handicap on nice ground where she travelled powerfully.
JJ had a decision to make and went to the lead before the last as was travelling so well. In hindsight id say he wouldve held on longer and will arrive late today. Plenty more to come from this girl.

4.50

I could make a case for 10 but have settled on Champagne Gold. All season looked to be a prep for the County hurdle for this boy where he went off 6/1. Emptied as if something was amiss that day but nothing i could find in the stewards report. I'm taking the opinion he just had an off day and were getting well compensated with the price.

5.25
Nube Negra is an insulting price, watch back his 2 runs this season,1st at Kempton and then the Champion Chase and how powerfully he travelled and how quick he jumps. Beat Chacun Pour Soi and should be a fresher horse than CPS also, CPS might be a better horse in Ireland but cant really understand the price difference.
Allaho was magnificent at Cheltenham over further and i think he could well be real good over this trip too but fact is he has never run over 2mile over jumps so to get put in here is a fair ask and though that Ryanair was a monster performance it may have emptied him and at the prices i couldnt back him.
Jockey on NN would be a concern for me if it comes to that to separate the horses but to be honest i don't think he'll have to do anything spectacular. If this horse was coming over with Nicky Hendersons name beside him he wouldnt be any bigger than 3/1 in my opinion.

The Novice chase should be a cracker too. I will likely sit back and enjoy but if Envoi goes out to 6/4 i might not be able to resist a little bet.

nube negra being completely forgotten about here.

chacun hype train still hasnt been de-railed

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Chacun on a right handed course on home ground is odds against? Up against Allaho who is totally unproven over 2m and a Skelton horse in a grade 1.

Lump job

I don't think you can blame the left-handed course at Cheltenham for his bad run as most of his big successes have been at Leopardstown which is also left. He had no excuses in Cheltenham he was perfectly positioned coming to the last and had nothing left in the tank. That said one bad run doesn't make him a bad horse.

Plasandrunt wrote: »

Chacun on a right handed course on home ground is odds against? Up against Allaho who is totally unproven over 2m and a Skelton horse in a grade 1.

Lump job

Unusual criteria for a lump job.
Horse A(Nube Negra) beats horse B (Chacun pour soi). Horse A having his 3rd run of the season today. Horse B having his 5th run of the season despite never previously having ran more than 3 times and looked tired last time.
Despite all this horse B is the shorter of the 2.
And you think Horse B is one for a lump job bet?

Chacun pour soi has his chance for sure. Just cant understand how anyone could claim hes a lump job at the price. Maybe people like to say lump job for the cod of it .

For me a lump job would be one I'd be looking at and thinking there are basically no question marks and the horse is value. An example would be Thistlecrack a few years back in the world hurdle. Had beaten all his rivals in the lead up to that yet he was available at something like 7/4 when realistically he shouldve been odds on.

A horse beaten by one of todays opposition(who is also lighter races and open to more improvement) and a field that includes some other dangerous horses such as Allaho who was excellent last time isnt an exciting breathing ground for a lump job for me personally.
To each their own though.