The Masters 2021

Roger_007 · 08-04-2021 9:14pm

The Big Easy wrote: »

I thought the course was too easy for you?!

Wedge and putt contest

I never said the course was easy and, yes, it’s still primarily down to the short game but when the greens are this treacherous it can be unfair.

finglashoop · 08-04-2021 9:18pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

I never said the course was easy and, yes, it’s still primarily down to the short game but when the greens are this treacherous it can be unfair.

unfair to who?

strassenwo!f · 08-04-2021 9:30pm

Degag wrote: »

If you think that's bad, it's not long ago there were lads well into their 70's shooting scores in the 80s/90s every year.

Before they brought in the 65 year limit.

Which i didn't like. Because as others have said, these guys earnt the right to go out and shoot 80/90.

It's what sets the Masters apart.

I don't think there is an official age limit at the Masters.

Sandy Lyle won this 32 (thirty-two) years ago, in one of his four top-ten finishes at majors. By doing so, as I understand it, he automatically became a member of Augusta National, and he is then able to play the course and shoot 80/90, whenever he wants, 363 days a year.

With a much smaller field than the other majors, the first two days of this one have been pretty much reduced to removing the former champions who don't qualify for the tournament on any other criterion, plus a few others who don't perform this week. This year there are 12 such people.

The people who organise this obviously want to protect its exclusivity, and keep the numbers fairly low, but there are probably a whole host of people who are currently in the world's top-100 who can't get in but could possibly win it.

No-hopers like Lyle, Woosnam, Mize and others being there - even though they can play Augusta National pretty much any time they want - is definitely hampering the chances of others for stardom.

The Big Easy · 08-04-2021 9:41pm

strassenwo!f wrote: »

I don't think there is an official age limit at the Masters.

Sandy Lyle won this 32 (thirty-two) years ago, in one of his four top-ten finishes at majors. By doing so, as I understand it, he automatically became a member of Augusta National, and he is then able to play the course and shoot 80/90, whenever he wants, 363 days a year.

With a much smaller field than the other majors, the first two days of this one have been pretty much reduced to removing the former champions who don't qualify for the tournament on any other criterion, plus a few others who don't perform this week. This year there are 12 such people.

The people who organise this obviously want to protect its exclusivity, and keep the numbers fairly low, but there are probably a whole host of people who are currently in the world's top-100 who can't get in but could possibly win it.

No-hopers like Lyle, Woosnam, Mize and others being there - even though they can play Augusta National pretty much any time they want - is definitely hampering the chances of others for stardom.

There is an age limit for former champions (65), was brought in a good few years ago, only thing stopping Gary Player from continuing after his opening tee shot

I think the qualifying is pretty fair now, top 50 in the world, plus all the PGA tour winners from the previous 12 months, and top 15 I think from the previous Masters, a couple of other exemptions too. I think if you don't qualify, you don't have too many excuses.

Sandy won two majors and I doubt he'd be shooting 80/90 any of those other 363 days of the year. He'll be gone soon enough anyway.

It'll be sad when Bernhard is shoved off the stage, he'll just have to keep finishing top 15

Degag · 08-04-2021 9:53pm

strassenwo!f wrote: »

I don't think there is an official age limit at the Masters.

There is. 65 years of age. It's a recent enough thing - probably in the last 10-15 years.

No-hopers like Lyle, Woosnam, Mize and others being there - even though they can play Augusta National pretty much any time they want - is definitely hampering the chances of others for stardom.

How is it hampering others? There is no set number who play the Masters every year. If you qualify, you qualify.

If Lyle, Woosnam, Mize did not play this year, there would be 3 less players in the field - i.e. they would not be replaced.

strassenwo!f · 08-04-2021 10:13pm

Degag wrote: »

There is. 65 years of age. It's a recent enough thing - probably in the last 10-15 years.

I can't be sure that you're right. The wikipedia page on the current tournament states the list of past champions who are playing, and gives the following list, in category one, of all past winners of the Masters tournament:

Past winners not expected to play: Tommy Aaron, Jack Burke Jr., Ángel Cabrera, Charles Coody, Ben Crenshaw, Nick Faldo, Raymond Floyd, Bob Goalby, Trevor Immelman, Jack Nicklaus, Mark O'Meara, Gary Player, Craig Stadler, Tom Watson, Tiger Woods (18), Fuzzy Zoeller.

This doesn't sound like there's an official age limit, as there is now at the (British) Open.

Degag wrote: »

How is it hampering others? There is no set number who play the Masters every year. If you qualify, you qualify.

If Lyle, Woosnam, Mize did not play this year, there would be 3 less players in the field - i.e. they would not be replaced.

They could be replaced, in Category 20: invited international players.

Deeper Blue · 08-04-2021 10:26pm

That's cruel on Lowry

If that happened at Shinnecock Hills the commentators would be slating the USGA.

Degag · 08-04-2021 10:26pm

strassenwo!f wrote: »

I can't be sure that you're right. The wikipedia page on the current tournament states the list of past champions who are playing, and gives the following list, in category one, of all past winners of the Masters tournament:

Past winners not expected to play: Tommy Aaron, Jack Burke Jr., Ángel Cabrera, Charles Coody, Ben Crenshaw, Nick Faldo, Raymond Floyd, Bob Goalby, Trevor Immelman, Jack Nicklaus, Mark O'Meara, Gary Player, Craig Stadler, Tom Watson, Tiger Woods (18), Fuzzy Zoeller.

This doesn't sound like there's an official age limit, as there is now at the (British) Open.

I am not sure if it is OFFICIAL and perhaps if a player kicked up enough of a fuss he would be allowed to play past 65. I wouldn't have an issue with it and would actually encourage it.

However i don't think you will find many players in the past 15 years or so who have. So whether it is official or not, it is definitely being acted upon by the players.

They could be replaced, in Category 20: invited international players.

This is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make. They can invite as many or as little international players as they want regardless. They actually invite very few in this way.

If some older players who were eligible to play, decided not to, it would have no bearing on the number of international players invited.

08-04-2021 10:29pm

Deeper Blue wrote: »

That's cruel on Lowry

If that happened at Shinnecock Hills the commentators would be slating the USGA.

Ya, there's a tough course, and something that starts to look like crazy golf.

B lotto 79 · 08-04-2021 10:37pm

Past champions have a lifetime qualification according to Augusta website.

Rikand · 08-04-2021 10:37pm

strassenwo!f wrote: »

Surely this is the year when the organisers will take Sandy Lyle gently aside for a quiet word, after he cards an 81 and will miss the cut yet again.

One top ten finish - the year he won it - in 40 attempts.

Ah, Strassen is back once again for his annual april dig at poor old Sandy Lyle. Lets remind ourselves of Strassen's last visit to the forum back in April 2019

strassenwo!f wrote: »

Fully expecting Sandy Lyle to give the pgatour computer a decent workout this week, calculating his score.

It's over 30 (thirty) years since he won his green jacket, and he really is stretching it by turning up yet again. I hope he is going to be taken aside soon by the organisers.

At least, finally, we won't have to face him in the Open this year.

I think the mod back then even told you to stop having a go at Sandy Lyle.

But lets remind you anyway of why Sandy can play here as often as he wants.

strassenwo!f wrote: »

No-hopers like Lyle, Woosnam, Mize and others being there - even though they can play Augusta National pretty much any time they want - is definitely hampering the chances of others for stardom.

Sandy, Woosnam, Mize and all the other no hopers are NOT taking up a space from anyone else. The Masters is invitation only on the basis of a player achieving a set criteria laid out by them. They have earned their right to play by meeting one of these criteria. Just as everyone else who is there. Them showing up and playing every year does not take a space from someone else. This is emphasised by the fact there are not always a set number of 3 balls. Many years, there are a couple of 2balls playing on the first 2 rounds because the numbers are not round. As little as 60 players can achieve invite to the Masters. As many as 200 can also if the conditions of qualifying were right (top 50 in the world, top 12 and ties from previous year, top x from other major champions, etc....) He's not taking anyone elses place. Nobody in the field is taking anybody elses place except for the person they beat to make their qualification. There was a space going from the Valero open to anyone who had not previously qualified but had won there. They didnt offer the place to the top player who hadnt qualified. It was win, or gtfo!

And I know you know all this. You'd have to. Especially as some one who has worked at a European Tour event in the past, I'm sure you know this

strassenwo!f wrote: »

I'm not, overall, having a dig at Sandy Lyle.

I am confident that Sandy is a very fine, upstanding person, and still obviously a fine golfer. A good performance today too. My quibble is, mainly, that one of the 'majors' still has room for such a large number of no-hoper former champions in the relatively small field.

Many years ago I worked for a time on the European tour.

You can call it whatever you like, but you HATE Sandy Lyle and it has been pretty clear for a number of years now.

fullstop · 08-04-2021 10:40pm

Rose rocking the M1 driver!

Rikand · 08-04-2021 10:41pm

strassenwo!f wrote: »

I can't be sure that you're right. The wikipedia page on the current tournament states the list of past champions who are playing, and gives the following list, in category one, of all past winners of the Masters tournament:

Past winners not expected to play: Tommy Aaron, Jack Burke Jr., Ángel Cabrera, Charles Coody, Ben Crenshaw, Nick Faldo, Raymond Floyd, Bob Goalby, Trevor Immelman, Jack Nicklaus, Mark O'Meara, Gary Player, Craig Stadler, Tom Watson, Tiger Woods (18), Fuzzy Zoeller.

This doesn't sound like there's an official age limit, as there is now at the (British) Open.

They could be replaced, in Category 20: invited international players.

Arnold Palmer played 50 years in a row. Well beyond 65 Those players are choosing not to play. Their choice!

If Calcavecchia had beaten Sandy in 1988 he'd be the one playing and I daresay, we'd see no posts from you if he had

lawred2 · 08-04-2021 10:41pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shane might as well have brought the skates because those greens are like glass. Scandalous his delicate chip travelled the way it did on 15, if the USGA don't water them overnight the tournament will be reduced to a joke.

Burned out on day one

Mushy · 08-04-2021 10:50pm

This is an amazing round by Rose

Roger_007 · 08-04-2021 10:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Shane might as well have brought the skates because those greens are like glass. Scandalous his delicate chip travelled the way it did on 15, if the USGA don't water them overnight the tournament will be reduced to a joke.

The USGA have no say in the matter.

paulie21 · 08-04-2021 11:01pm

Fleetwood is Mr Hole In One

fullstop · 08-04-2021 11:07pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

The USGA have no say in the matter.

They might break in to water the greens in case this plays more difficult then the US Open

08-04-2021 11:16pm

Lovely round by Lowry despite being wild off the tee at times.

B lotto 79 · 08-04-2021 11:18pm

Mushy wrote: »

This is an amazing round by Rose

He was +2 after 7. Home in 30. Super round.

Roger_007 · 08-04-2021 11:23pm

Degag wrote: »

............

This is irrelevant to the point you are trying to make. They can invite as many or as little international players as they want regardless. They actually invite very few in this way.

If some older players who were eligible to play, decided not to, it would have no bearing on the number of international players invited.

The Masters is probably unique in the world of major sports in that one of its premier competitions is entirely controlled by the members of one club, Augusta National. They can decide who may be invited or not.
In any other sport the major competitions are run under the auspices of a governing body of that sport.
We would think it bizarre if the European Champions League was entirely controlled by Real Madrid or Manchester United but as I’ve said, the Masters is unique.

android1 · 08-04-2021 11:26pm

Justin Rose has tied Jack Nicklaus’s record for most first-round leads or co-leads in the history of the Masters.
Very surprised when I read that.

antgal23 · 08-04-2021 11:47pm

Rory's body language usually tells us where his head is at and going by today it's not in the best of places

ridonkulous · 08-04-2021 11:51pm

android1 wrote: »

Justin Rose has tied Jack Nicklaus’s record for most first-round leads or co-leads in the history of the Masters.
Very surprised when I read that.

What's the record?

callaway92 · 09-04-2021 12:09am

ridonkulous wrote: »

What's the record?

Four 1st Round Leads/Co-Leads in the Masters

4Ad · 09-04-2021 12:25am

Shout fore Cameron instead of looking at the club/ ground !! FFS

The_Kew_Tour · 09-04-2021 7:32am

Speith playing like a guy full of confidence plus getting that bit of luck too

lawred2 · 09-04-2021 7:36am

What's the projected cut at?

Roger_007 · 09-04-2021 7:46am

lawred2 wrote: »

What's the projected cut at?

If the cut was being made now it would be at +4.

lawred2 · 09-04-2021 7:50am

Roger_007 wrote: »

If the cut was being made now it would be at +4.

Entirely in Rory's hands so to have a full weekend...

Roger_007 · 09-04-2021 8:00am

lawred2 wrote: »

Entirely in Rory's hands so to have a full weekend...

Sorry, I had forgotten that the Masters have their own rules regarding the cut, different to other PGA events.
It’s the lowest 50 plus ties. That would mean the cut, if applied now, would be at +2.
There used to be a rule that anyone within 10 shots of the lead would automatically make the cut but they changed that last year.

The_Kew_Tour · 09-04-2021 8:17am

See Gary Players son takes after his father. That was a disgrace what he did yesterday.

lawred2 · 09-04-2021 8:27am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Sorry, I had forgotten that the Masters have their own rules regarding the cut, different to other PGA events.
It’s the lowest 50 plus ties. That would mean the cut, if applied now, would be at +2.
There used to be a rule that anyone within 10 shots of the lead would automatically make the cut but they changed that last year.

cheers

he'll likely need to be under par today to give himself a decent chance

Mantis Toboggan · 09-04-2021 8:39am

Greens are looking very patchy.

rickis tache · 09-04-2021 8:43am

Sky will be going daft after Roses round. I see Rory is Northern Irish again.

monkeybutter · 09-04-2021 8:46am

rickis tache wrote: »

Sky will be going daft after Roses round. I see Rory is Northern Irish again.

is he not northern Irish?

Widdensushi · 09-04-2021 8:51am

monkeybutter wrote: »

is he not northern Irish?

What they refer to him as changes with how he is playing.

Roger_007 · 09-04-2021 8:56am

lawred2 wrote: »

cheers

he'll likely need to be under par today to give himself a decent chance

Even when he’s playing poorly, Rory tends to throw in a decent round or two. Hopefully he can do that today.
I don’t think Rose can possibly repeat yesterday’s performance; he will be doing well to break par. So a lot of players, including Rory, are still in this.

monkeybutter · 09-04-2021 8:59am

Widdensushi wrote: »

What they refer to him as changes with how he is playing.

the coverage of his nationality is fairly consistent as is his form

monkeybutter · 09-04-2021 9:04am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Even when he’s playing poorly, Rory tends to throw in a decent round or two. Hopefully he can do that today.
I don’t think Rose can possibly repeat yesterday’s performance; he will be doing well to break par. So a lot of players, including Rory, are still in this.

but if he just gets par rory will need to make up 11 shots on him

thats a big ask already

he could play badly of course, more likely for one solo leader to fall back, as he knows himself.

Rory needs 3 great rounds really, not just 1 or 2

Augme · 09-04-2021 9:43am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Even when he’s playing poorly, Rory tends to throw in a decent round or two. Hopefully he can do that today.
I don’t think Rose can possibly repeat yesterday’s performance; he will be doing well to break par. So a lot of players, including Rory, are still in this.

Rory still in this? Still in it in the sense that technically he can still win but not in an anyway realistic chance of winning it I hope you mean.

Dayor Knight · 09-04-2021 9:48am

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

See Gary Players son takes after his father. That was a disgrace what he did yesterday.

What did he do?

Roger_007 · 09-04-2021 9:53am

Augme wrote: »

Rory still in this? Still in it in the sense that technically he can still win but not in an anyway realistic chance of winning it I hope you mean.

Well DJ thinks he can win it and he’s only 2 shots better than Rory.
Jack Nicklaus once said that it it is much more important how many players are between you and the lead rather than how many shots. If one player is way out in front it only takes a few mistakes from that one player to bring a lot of other players back in.

lawred2 · 09-04-2021 9:54am

monkeybutter wrote: »

but if he just gets par rory will need to make up 11 shots on him

thats a big ask already

he could play badly of course, more likely for one solo leader to fall back, as he knows himself.

Rory needs 3 great rounds really, not just 1 or 2

one thing at a time

he needs to make the cut first

ThewhiteJesus · 09-04-2021 10:05am

Roger_007 wrote: »

Well DJ thinks he can win it and he’s only 2 shots better than Rory.
Jack Nicklaus once said that it it is much more important how many players are between you and the lead rather than how many shots. If one player is way out in front it only takes a few mistakes from that one player to bring a lot of other players back in.

Give over Rory has no chance he won't even make the cut, why quote Jack Nicklaus, the problem with Rory is between his ears since he signed the nike contract, changing coach right before a major should have told you everything you need to know

LuckyGent88 · 09-04-2021 10:12am

That was a very Entertaining and interesting first round. Augusta biting back after last November’s high scores. Looked on the brink of losing the greens alright but just in the limit I think.

15th seem to give the most trouble. Weisberger putted into the water, Im and Lowry both chipped in the water and Speith should have followed.

Exceptional round from rose given he hasn’t played a tournament in a month or so and that he was injured in that time. He has some record aroun Augusta and wouldn’t begrudge him a green jacket even though I don’t particularly like him. Way too corporate for me.

Still plenty of big names just behind him and will be interesting to see who from the bigger names further back can get themselves back into contention.

Will be interesting to see how the golf course is set up today too. Will they keep it really tough or ease it up a bit

Mantis Toboggan · 09-04-2021 11:36am

https://twitter.com/Abraham_Ancer/status/1380311045210836992?s=19

This is very harsh imo

PabloAndRoy · 09-04-2021 11:45am

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Abraham_Ancer/status/1380311045210836992?s=19

This is very harsh imo

I assume, without the TV camera on the close up, this would never have been spotted. Makes you wonder how often small things like this happen that are not spotted. Its not a level playing field if this is relying on the TV cameras as some will be caught and some not. Unfair.

Mantis Toboggan · 09-04-2021 11:49am

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

I assume, without the TV camera on the close up, this would never have been spotted. Makes you wonder how often small things like this happen that are not spotted. Its not a level playing field if this is relying on the TV cameras as some will be caught and some not. Unfair.

Crazy if it turns out that it's the difference between winning the Masters or not.

ThewhiteJesus · 09-04-2021 12:01pm

and reed got away with his sand castle building in a different tournament, monty too was some man for cheating in bunkers

The Masters 2021

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