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Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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    #92
    lab man
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    I'm thinking of buying a m110gx

    They would be a good tractor make sure air con is working savage power in my 135 in all fairness


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    #93
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    lab man wrote: »
    No I'm in clare
    is there a main dealer in Clare


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    #94
    straight
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    Has anybody any experience of claas tractors. They seem good value second hand?


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    #95
    White Clover
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    straight wrote: »
    Has anybody any experience of claas tractors. They seem good value second hand?

    Seem to have a very poor resale value. I know of one, traded recently for a new MF. It was a 2013, about 4500 hours of easy work and it has given it's fair share of trouble, my advice for what its worth is to avoid Claas.


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    #96
    White Clover
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    lab man wrote: »
    No I'm in clare

    Was up Clare way recently. Whelan's have some amount of Massey tractors put out. Them and Welger balers, they're everywhere you'd look.


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    #97
    Grueller
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    White Clover wrote: »
    Seem to have a very poor resale value. I know of one, traded recently for a new MF. It was a 2013, about 4500 hours of easy work and it has given it's fair share of trouble, my advice for what its worth is to avoid Claas.

    Was that an old Renault model or one of Claas newer models they built themselves.


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    #98
    patsy_mccabe
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    Bass Reeves wrote: »
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    Any 100hp+ tractor that you will see for sale will have being doing 1000 Hours / week minimum, with a contractor some will be doing more than that

    There's only 168 hours in the week. :rolleyes:

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #99
    White Clover
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    Grueller wrote: »
    Was that an old Renault model or one of Claas newer models they built themselves.

    Claas Arion, so Claas design. The Renault's were ok. I knew of a Temis that was highly thought of. They had an iveco engine, same as used in a fiat 110-90.


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    #100
    lab man
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    is there a main dealer in Clare

    I honestly don't know if hes a main dealer or not david garahy . Is his name he has as on dd... limestone cowboy I think is from around there hed know better . the tractor I bought I knew the man that owned her so the second he told me he was trading I went straight up and put a deposit on it before she was in their yard


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    #101
    lab man
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    White Clover wrote: »
    Was up Clare way recently. Whelan's have some amount of Massey tractors put out. Them and Welger balers, they're everywhere you'd look.

    Ya selling alot but shaws sell some amount of new Holland here in clare they have a mechanic just servicing tractors in clare alone


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    #102
    straight
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    N121 hi tech seems like a nice dependable simple machine. I think I've my mind set on one. The only problem is the price of the fecking things. I wonder why so many of them have weights on the back wheels. Might give a look around the UK over the winter.


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    #103
    ABitofsense
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    I'm looking for 100-110hp tractor myself in the 30-40k budget & holy God the prices for some of the 2nd hand tractors! Looked at a 11 NH T5070, 4000k hrs. 50k with new loader fitted!! Nearly fell out of it! Very tough & frustrating to find a yoke


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    #104
    Grueller
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    I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.


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    #105
    CertifiedSimp
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    Grueller wrote: »
    I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.

    If you buy new on finance does it work better than cash as you can spread out tax deductions over the years?

    And what if you trade in something valued at 10k, do you have to pay tax on that as income?


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    #106
    funkey_monkey
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    Grueller wrote: »
    I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.

    What are you looking at new?


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    #107
    Donald Trump
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    CertifiedSimp wrote: »
    And what if you trade in something valued at 10k, do you have to pay tax on that as income?


    Would depend on the book value as far as I am aware.


    i.e if you have already depreciated it to zero then it is the same as a profit. If it was on the books as 15k and you sold it for 10k, I'd imagine it's down as a 5k loss.


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    #108
    Grueller
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    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    What are you looking at new?

    Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
    Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.


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    #109
    Reggie.
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    Grueller wrote: »
    Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
    Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

    Valtra have a fair price tag on them too


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    #110
    declanflynn
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    Valtra have a fair price tag on them too
    I was thinking of buying a Kubota with a loader, semm to be a few ex demi's around, what do lads here think of them


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    #111
    Reggie.
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    declanflynn wrote: »
    I was thinking of buying a Kubota with a loader, semm to be a few ex demi's around, what do lads here think of them

    The warranty is interesting with 5 years. Still a fair price tag on them. Dont hold thier price much either


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    #112
    Grueller
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    Valtra have a fair price tag on them too

    Ya I believe so. I haven't even started to price yet. It won't happen until next year at least so I will leave it off for a while. Case Maxxum will probably be the cheapest option. Amateur of mine bought a maxxum 115 with an LRZ 120 loader for €83,000. The equivalent Valtra is north of €100k he says and no bargaining or discounts either.


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    #113
    Grueller
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    Reggie. wrote: »
    The warranty is interesting with 5 years. Still a fair price tag on them. Dont hold thier price much either

    I priced a M135GX 2 years ago. €78,000 with a kubota loader on board for an ex demo. I think the Case I mentioned above at €83,000 would be a better option as it would be easier sold after if you wanted/needed to.


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    #114
    handlemaster
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    https://e-farm.com/fr/machines/tracteurs/247815/massey-ferguson-mf-8670

    https://www.agriaffaires.com/occasion/tracteur-agricole/1/4044/massey-ferguson.html


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    #115
    tractorporn
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    handlemaster wrote: »
    https://e-farm.com/fr/machines/tracteurs/247815/massey-ferguson-mf-8670

    https://www.agriaffaires.com/occasion/tracteur-agricole/1/4044/massey-ferguson.html

    The thing to watch out for when bringing a tractor from the continent is that they usually dont have pick up hitches so need to factor that in but they are usually a good bit cheaper tho


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    #116
    Jjameson
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    Whether it is COVID leisure related or what but old scrap tractors are a flying trade. If you want to annoy your worst enemy advertise a worn out 4000 or 135 Sub 2000euro and put his/her number on the ad.


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    #117
    Figerty
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    Jjameson wrote: »
    Whether it is COVID leisure related or what but old scrap tractors are a flying trade. If you want to annoy your worst enemy advertise a worn out 4000 or 135 Sub 2000euro and put his/her number on the ad.

    A lot of small tractors left the coutnry via export. They are going to be rare and dear to buy from now on.


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    #118
    minerleague
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    Grueller wrote: »
    Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
    Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

    Looking at all above also, what do you think of new Jd 6m series? Should hold good value


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    #119
    CertifiedSimp
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    What are your thoughts on teleporters in addition to a main tractor?


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    #120
    Grueller
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    minerleague wrote: »
    Looking at all above also, what do you think of new Jd 6m series? Should hold good value

    They look a good machine. Only thing with JD isehen you add any small bit of spec to them the price goes off the charts.


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    #121
    Panch18
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    CertifiedSimp wrote: »
    What are your thoughts on teleporters in addition to a main tractor?

    I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

    you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

    Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1


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