Second hand tractors are gone expensive

Dunedin · 23-07-2020 7:51am

I bought a McCormack 105 in 2008 for €20,500 up north (exchange rate was very favourable at the time). Sold in 2015 as part of trade in for €25k

kevthegaff · 23-07-2020 8:27am

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2007-case-ih-mxu-135-multi-controller-c-w-q58-840/19974989?campaign=3 nuts

funkey_monkey · 23-07-2020 12:53pm

Nice NH:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts110a/25446532

Landini in its working clothes:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/powerfarm-95/25435314

100hp, but a basic stockmans tractor with no electronics:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2009-landini-powerfarm-100-c-w-loader-amp-bucket/25427900

Clean 09 Massey. High hours but always a customer for a Massey:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2009-massey-ferguson-5445-dyna-4-c-w-p-ldr/25220417

Another clean Massey from 09, decent tyres (NI machine):
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-5470-and-loader/25408296

MXU 135:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-mxu-135-50k/25252404

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-t6020-elite/25252361

Can you tell I'm working from home today

Timmaay · 23-07-2020 1:41pm

Them landini powerfarms have a very light backend, and big enough loader on it, so your gonna definitely need decent back end weight for any sort of silage bales etc, the 2nd one looks like it has 400kg of wheel weights at least, that's the min I'd be going with.

timple23 · 23-07-2020 1:55pm

https://www.atkins.ie/farm-machinery/tractors/2001-new-holland-tm150-tractor-c-3-w-rossmore-ut241769?returnurl=%2ffarm-machinery%2ftractors%2f

Looks cheap if hours are genuine.

funkey_monkey · 23-07-2020 2:00pm

There will be a pile of tractors coming over from UK in the next year if you can hold off. Covid fall out, plus Brexit will see a drop in prices and some good imports.

straight · 23-07-2020 2:25pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

There will be a pile of tractors coming over from UK in the next year if you can hold off. Covid fall out, plus Brexit will see a drop in prices and some good imports.

That's my thinking too. Crazy prices at the moment. Alot of them tractors you posted looked to be priced ok but they were plus VAT.

Donald Trump · 23-07-2020 2:28pm

Would a no-deal Brexit impose different restrictions on importing?

I suppose it would go the same as if you were importing from the US or Japan (although maybe there are deals in place for those countries already)

Bass Reeves · 23-07-2020 2:28pm

straight wrote: »

That's my thinking too. Crazy prices at the moment. Alot of them tractors you posted looked to be priced ok but they were plus VAT.

VAT on a 25K tractor is nearly 6K. If not Vat registered it takes such a tractor to above 30K

TooOldBoots · 23-07-2020 3:07pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

MXU 135:
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-mxu-135-50k/25252404

Can you tell I'm working from home today

Thats a clean looking tractor for an 05. Fairplay to that dealer he has them like new

timple23 wrote: »

https://www.atkins.ie/farm-machinery/tractors/2001-new-holland-tm150-tractor-c-3-w-rossmore-ut241769?returnurl=%2ffarm-machinery%2ftractors%2f

Looks cheap if hours are genuine.

Is that a 6 cylinder? It has a big strong loader on it too

funkey_monkey wrote: »

There will be a pile of tractors coming over from UK in the next year if you can hold off. Covid fall out, plus Brexit will see a drop in prices and some good imports.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Would a no-deal Brexit impose different restrictions on importing?

I suppose it would go the same as if you were importing from the US or Japan (although maybe there are deals in place for those countries already)

A no deal could see VRT of 30% added to all second hand vehicles and machinery.
I doubt we'll get a no deal brexit as the Scots are threatening to pull out of the UK now so they'll have to get a good trade deal to keep them happy

declanflynn · 23-07-2020 5:56pm

What do lads here think of kubota tractors, I'm thinking of buying a m5111

RightTurnClyde · 23-07-2020 7:34pm

Anyone put a realistic value on a 07 tm120. Very clean. 6600 hours tyres 50%. Selling

funkey_monkey · 23-07-2020 8:13pm

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Anyone put a realistic value on a 07 tm120. Very clean. 6600 hours tyres 50%. Selling

€32k from dealer sparkling (so would assume it has 3 month warranty) - 03 with 7300 hours. Range Command:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tm-120/24738942

€26k private - decent tyres, no interior photos 05 with 6500 hours. Range Command:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tm-120/24342654

€26.5k private - 04 with 6600 hours. Very clean. Classic:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/tractor/25407666

€22.5k private - 02 with 7250 hours, new clutch and decent tyres. Classic:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tm-120/24613767

Without seeing your machine - it would be a bit fresher in years than these, but it comes to a point where age is irrelevant and its down to how its looked after. The one at €32k is a bit of an outlier as it is a dealer machine.

Going by the two middle ones you're looking at €26k - €27k for one a few years older than yours. I'm not sure of the difference spec wise between those your year. Maybe some of the NH lads can fill in on any changes made.
However, I'd make a stab without seeing yours that you should be asking €27k - €28.5k. But if your machine is better condition or has some updates then you could throw it out at €30k.

Is there a certain spec of them that people prefer? I seen ones who prefer the the Power Command over the Range Command and vice-versa.

kevthegaff · 23-07-2020 9:15pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

€32k from dealer sparkling (so would assume it has 3 month warranty) - 03 with 7300 hours. Range Command:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tm-120/24738942

€26k private - decent tyres, no interior photos 05 with 6500 hours. Range Command:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tm-120/24342654

€26.5k private - 04 with 6600 hours. Very clean. Classic:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/tractor/25407666

€22.5k private - 02 with 7250 hours, new clutch and decent tyres. Classic:
https://www.donedeal.co.uk/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tm-120/24613767

Without seeing your machine - it would be a bit fresher in years than these, but it comes to a point where age is irrelevant and its down to how its looked after. The one at €32k is a bit of an outlier as it is a dealer machine.

Going by the two middle ones you're looking at €26k - €27k for one a few years older than yours. I'm not sure of the difference spec wise between those your year. Maybe some of the NH lads can fill in on any changes made.
However, I'd make a stab without seeing yours that you should be asking €27k - €28.5k. But if your machine is better condition or has some updates then you could throw it out at €30k.

Is there a certain spec of them that people prefer? I seen ones who prefer the the Power Command over the Range Command and vice-versa.

Most prefer range command, what's the story with vat, in general if it's off a farmer no vat is applied?

lakill Farm · 24-07-2020 12:59pm

TooOldBoots wrote: »

The McCormick MC series are the most under rated tractor.
Avoid the cheaper CX versions, they are totally different in the Engine, Gearbox,Back-end and cab.
The MCs have the heavy backend and gearbox. Sell for less than the Case Mxu but a far better tractor

Nothing wrong with the CX range. they finish at 105Hp anyway so isn't really what the OP was after.

lakill Farm · 24-07-2020 1:01pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Most prefer range command, what's the story with vat, in general if it's off a farmer no vat is applied?

If off a non vat registered person the dealer uses a "margin scheme" and the new buyer cant claim vat.

Bass Reeves · 24-07-2020 1:41pm

lakill Farm wrote: »

Nothing wrong with the CX range. they finish at 105Hp anyway so isn't really what the OP was after.

The McCormick CX range are better than the Case CX range for back lift purposes. They have the older Case/International back end with two PTO shafts. While that is a bit of a disadvantage they have much better back lift and hydraulic system than the Case CX range. However you have to remember they are a 70-100 HP range tractors and are tide because if that. You be comparing them to Massey's and NH in the same range not to tractors are that are in the next range up.

I have a Case CX80 2wd and s McCormick CX90 4WD. Both are nice gobby little tractors with plenty of power for a sub 100acre drystock farm where you are contacting in slurry and silage making.

If I could have got a tidy loader for the 2wd I have never bought the 4WD 18months ago. A decent tidy loader would behave cost 7-10k on the tractor. I have traded the 2WD but I was only getting 7-8k in real terms and at the time they were a hard sell I had lads offering me 8-9k for it. I have sold for 10500at the time. I be reluctant to sell at the moment but now a tidy 2wd like it are making 11-12k. I paid 12k for it 4years ago.

2nd hand tractors change in price all the time. I be surprised if they do not do a drop and rise again. 4 years ago that 2wd was as good a value as you could get but two years later there seemed to be no gra for them, now lads are looking all.over the place for them again

bogman_bass · 24-07-2020 3:46pm

If you are looking for a 2wd that’s fit to move big fusion bales as a back up tractor as well as working a scraper you are looking at something like a MF 168 or 290 which are mad money now sol lads are saying feck it and trying to get a reasonably modern yoke at not much more money.

minerleague · 24-07-2020 5:15pm

Timmaay wrote: »

A massey 110hp 5711 global with a quickie loader and full dyna4 was under 70k when I got one a year ago. Possibly closer to 65k with the way the trade in went (price for my tractor seemed bit generous)

looked at them before but didnt have the dyna 4 at that time, how do you find it if you dont mind me asking. Also is 5711 the biggest ( no 5713 global? )

lab man · 25-07-2020 6:33pm

No one has said a word about a kubota I've a 135 gx here traded a 5465 massey 2 months ago got 29 k for Massey gave 31k with it its 142 tractor but an older model 125 or so would do any man in suckler or dairy in my opinion now they might not be the most comfortable but they are a far cheaper tractor and around me there is about 30 now in a 10 mile radius and I done a lot of enquiring before I bought and everyone was happy with there buy same as me now ...

declanflynn · 25-07-2020 6:40pm

lab man wrote: »

No one has said a word about a kubota I've a 135 gx here traded a 5465 massey 2 months ago got 29 k for Massey gave 31k with it its 142 tractor but an older model 125 or so would do any man in suckler or dairy in my opinion now they might not be the most comfortable but they are a far cheaper tractor and around me there is about 30 now in a 10 mile radius and I done a lot of enquiring before I bought and everyone was happy with there buy same as me now ...

Are you up Cavan way?

declanflynn · 25-07-2020 6:56pm

lab man wrote: »

No one has said a word about a kubota I've a 135 gx here traded a 5465 massey 2 months ago got 29 k for Massey gave 31k with it its 142 tractor but an older model 125 or so would do any man in suckler or dairy in my opinion now they might not be the most comfortable but they are a far cheaper tractor and around me there is about 30 now in a 10 mile radius and I done a lot of enquiring before I bought and everyone was happy with there buy same as me now ...

I'm thinking of buying a m110gx

Grueller · 25-07-2020 7:08pm

lab man wrote: »

No one has said a word about a kubota I've a 135 gx here traded a 5465 massey 2 months ago got 29 k for Massey gave 31k with it its 142 tractor but an older model 125 or so would do any man in suckler or dairy in my opinion now they might not be the most comfortable but they are a far cheaper tractor and around me there is about 30 now in a 10 mile radius and I done a lot of enquiring before I bought and everyone was happy with there buy same as me now ...

That's a 60k budget though. That puts you in the realms of a Massey 5612, Case Maxxum 115, NH T6.140, Valtra N111, JD 6115M of the same era. That is not an insignificant budget.

Timmaay · 25-07-2020 7:09pm

minerleague wrote: »

looked at them before but didnt have the dyna 4 at that time, how do you find it if you dont mind me asking. Also is 5711 the biggest ( no 5713 global? )

Yeh I paid afew grand extra for the full dyna4, the demo I had had a stupid very low floor mounted manual lever for the 1-5gears, that was definitely a backwards step. It's night and day better than the previous 2 landinis I had, which just were not up to the job, the massy has alot more back end weight, big pump so fast loader, just an all around better tractor. Few issues are the silly amount of electrics, in particular safety elements, like clutch has to be in to start, then you gotta depress the clutch and dip it again before the tractor will go into gear, the arm lifts are way too complicated for theirown good also, massey could definitely of done with abit more software development in that whole area 2bh. I got no idea if the 110hp is the biggest in the globals, but couldn't be too hard to remap if you wanted to.

farmertipp · 25-07-2020 10:37pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I guess it goes back to comparing buying an older machine which may require higher maintenance costs vs buying a new machine in which you'll know the history and have regular servicing costs for the first number of years and / or a warranty for a bit as well.
Either way the cost of machinery is getting serious. 34 yr old jcb 412 here will require more work this year and I'll have to find tyres for it as well and looking around anything to replace it in Ireland anyway in the 25k price bracket is near 20 yrs old as well so not exactly guaranteed to be issue free. The new version is probably around the 100k plus mark? If bought new and kept over the 20 years wouldnt look too bad but it needs paying over the 5 to 7 year period?

I'd look into new. if you are in high tax bracket you won't feel it. no chance of buying someone else s junk. you can miss the point by too much econimizing.alway buy new here and never look back.

oldsmokey · 26-07-2020 12:29am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Keep 5K aside to replace concave washers in the dyna 6

Nice tractor here,loader brackets.....dunno what cost of loader would be

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-mxu-115-turbo/25243278?campaign=3

These jackasses that dont show hours....wtf?

jimmy G M · 26-07-2020 9:27am

oldsmokey wrote: »

These jackasses that dont show hours....wtf?

If they don't say the hours you can presume they are pretty high... if it had low hours they would def be making a point of it. #

I'd say that yoke has a good bit done, a lot of wear on the seats, rear tyres which I think are the originals are well down also. I'd be thinking 7,000 plus hours

26-07-2020 9:53am

Any lad who lets a seat get that bad not sure I’d want to be buying off them tbh as the neglect could extend to other areas too.

straight · 26-07-2020 10:03am

jimmy G M wrote: »

If they don't say the hours you can presume they are pretty high... if it had low hours they would def be making a point of it. #

I'd say that yoke has a good bit done, a lot of wear on the seats, rear tyres which I think are the originals are well down also. I'd be thinking 7,000 plus hours

7000 hours isn't that much though is it? I think 7000 would be around my limit for 2nd hand. The exhaust is fair worn on top. I'd say they are a good tractor though but they look alot better with the mudguard extensions.

memorystick · 26-07-2020 10:13am

Grueller wrote: »

I am on the hunt for a tractor this year or so. I have given it up now as €35k is entry level for a ten year old machine with north of 6000 hours.
I have made my mind up to sit tight and buy new in a year or two. I only do 500 hours per year so a new machine will last me twenty plus years.

Leasing might be a better option

cute geoge · 26-07-2020 10:49am

jimmy G M wrote: »

If they don't say the hours you can presume they are pretty high... if it had low hours they would def be making a point of it. #

I'd say that yoke has a good bit done, a lot of wear on the seats, rear tyres which I think are the originals are well down also. I'd be thinking 7,000 plus hours

Double them hours maybe neighbour has similar case but newer type same seat and his tractor seat is imaculate with never a seat cover and 7k hours

Tonynewholland · 26-07-2020 1:50pm

straight wrote: »

7000 hours isn't that much though is it? I think 7000 would be around my limit for 2nd hand. The exhaust is fair worn on top. I'd say they are a good tractor though but they look alot better with the mudguard extensions.

At those hours you may need to do the brakes. Add in new exhaust, cab mounts new tyres and I’m sure a few cables and seals. I’m guessing around €10k including labour

26-07-2020 1:54pm

I personally wouldn’t touch anything with more than 3 or 4000 hours. Better to pay more for a fairly fresh machine than have the inevitable issues and costs with high hours machines.

26-07-2020 2:11pm

Thea Whispering Ostrich wrote: »

I personally wouldn’t touch anything with more than 3 or 4000 hours. Better to pay more for a fairly fresh machine than have the inevitable issues and costs with high hours machines.

Ive seen machine less than 2 years old with 3750 hours

They clock them up,much.quicker nowadays

(but service intervals moved out,is any manufacturer doing below 300 hour services anymore?)

K.G. · 26-07-2020 2:22pm

Hours are only a guide to what you should be looking at.2 tractors i have 1 was bought with 1100 hrs and the other 14000.yet the 14000 is doing more of the work.she is a little bit more problematic but nothing thats out of the way for her hrs.the 1100 is a more reliable bus but shes has had a problem or two as well.it all comes down to your judgement of the condition of the tractor and what you want it to do.the other day i went to see a 4300 hr tractor and we didnt even take the key for it(looked great in the pictures) whereas i have seen 9 and 10 k hrs tractors in much better shape

valtra2 · 26-07-2020 2:23pm

memorystick wrote: »

Leasing might be a better option

What would a 100hp tractor be to lease

Bass Reeves · 26-07-2020 2:54pm

Thea Whispering Ostrich wrote: »

I personally wouldn’t touch anything with more than 3 or 4000 hours. Better to pay more for a fairly fresh machine than have the inevitable issues and costs with high hours machines.

Hours now on a tractor start clicking up the minute the same engine starts. Most important thing on a tractor is the way it was looked after serviced. What it was doing is a big issue as well. The two I have both have high hours. One was an ex local authority tractor,I say most of the hours were to run the heater for the lad sitting in it. Second was used for hauling straw, woidchip and sawdust. All the arms on the rear end were put in a box first day and put back on it hen I bought it. Both were regularly serviced and well maintained.

Any 100hp+ tractor that you will see for sale will have being doing 1000 Hours / week minimum, with a contractor some will be doing more than that

26-07-2020 4:16pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Hours now on a tractor start clicking up the minute the same engine starts. Most important thing on a tractor is the way it was looked after serviced. What it was doing is a big issue as well. The two I have both have high hours. One was an ex local authority tractor,I say most of the hours were to run the heater for the lad sitting in it. Second was used for hauling straw, woidchip and sawdust. All the arms on the rear end were put in a box first day and put back on it hen I bought it. Both were regularly serviced and well maintained.

Any 100hp+ tractor that you will see for sale will have being doing 1000 Hours / week minimum, with a contractor some will be doing more than that

Agreed condition is important and the work it was going and I’d also consider how well it is kept i.e. is it clean when you view, does it look to have been minded, washed regularly but I wouldn’t ignore hours either.

You might have to keep your eye out for a while but you will find them. Our tractor is 120hp and when we bought it a few years ago it was 6 years old and had a little over 3000 hrs. Also had no loader and we had a new one fitted, also sort of intentional as we ruled out any loader related wear and tear or damage. We spent new tractor money in lesser makes though, we weren’t bargain hunting and looking for top of the range spec wise.

lab man · 27-07-2020 11:03am

declanflynn wrote: »

Are you up Cavan way?

No I'm in clare

lab man · 27-07-2020 11:05am

Grueller wrote: »

That's a 60k budget though. That puts you in the realms of a Massey 5612, Case Maxxum 115, NH T6.140, Valtra N111, JD 6115M of the same era. That is not an insignificant budget.

I said an older model 125orso

lab man · 27-07-2020 11:14am

declanflynn wrote: »

I'm thinking of buying a m110gx

They would be a good tractor make sure air con is working savage power in my 135 in all fairness

declanflynn · 27-07-2020 3:25pm

lab man wrote: »

No I'm in clare

is there a main dealer in Clare

straight · 27-07-2020 5:03pm

Has anybody any experience of claas tractors. They seem good value second hand?

White Clover · 27-07-2020 5:41pm

straight wrote: »

Has anybody any experience of claas tractors. They seem good value second hand?

Seem to have a very poor resale value. I know of one, traded recently for a new MF. It was a 2013, about 4500 hours of easy work and it has given it's fair share of trouble, my advice for what its worth is to avoid Claas.

White Clover · 27-07-2020 5:43pm

lab man wrote: »

No I'm in clare

Was up Clare way recently. Whelan's have some amount of Massey tractors put out. Them and Welger balers, they're everywhere you'd look.

Grueller · 27-07-2020 5:48pm

White Clover wrote: »

Seem to have a very poor resale value. I know of one, traded recently for a new MF. It was a 2013, about 4500 hours of easy work and it has given it's fair share of trouble, my advice for what its worth is to avoid Claas.

Was that an old Renault model or one of Claas newer models they built themselves.

patsy_mccabe · 27-07-2020 6:04pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

.....

Any 100hp+ tractor that you will see for sale will have being doing 1000 Hours / week minimum, with a contractor some will be doing more than that

There's only 168 hours in the week. :rolleyes:

White Clover · 27-07-2020 6:45pm

Grueller wrote: »

Was that an old Renault model or one of Claas newer models they built themselves.

Claas Arion, so Claas design. The Renault's were ok. I knew of a Temis that was highly thought of. They had an iveco engine, same as used in a fiat 110-90.

lab man · 27-07-2020 6:54pm

declanflynn wrote: »

is there a main dealer in Clare

I honestly don't know if hes a main dealer or not david garahy . Is his name he has as on dd... limestone cowboy I think is from around there hed know better . the tractor I bought I knew the man that owned her so the second he told me he was trading I went straight up and put a deposit on it before she was in their yard

lab man · 27-07-2020 6:59pm

White Clover wrote: »

Was up Clare way recently. Whelan's have some amount of Massey tractors put out. Them and Welger balers, they're everywhere you'd look.

Ya selling alot but shaws sell some amount of new Holland here in clare they have a mechanic just servicing tractors in clare alone

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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