Second hand tractors are gone expensive

White Clover · 27-07-2020 05:43PM

lab man wrote: »

No I'm in clare

Was up Clare way recently. Whelan's have some amount of Massey tractors put out. Them and Welger balers, they're everywhere you'd look.

Grueller · 27-07-2020 05:48PM

White Clover wrote: »

Seem to have a very poor resale value. I know of one, traded recently for a new MF. It was a 2013, about 4500 hours of easy work and it has given it's fair share of trouble, my advice for what its worth is to avoid Claas.

Was that an old Renault model or one of Claas newer models they built themselves.

patsy_mccabe · 27-07-2020 06:04PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

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Any 100hp+ tractor that you will see for sale will have being doing 1000 Hours / week minimum, with a contractor some will be doing more than that

There's only 168 hours in the week. :rolleyes:

White Clover · 27-07-2020 06:45PM

Grueller wrote: »

Was that an old Renault model or one of Claas newer models they built themselves.

Claas Arion, so Claas design. The Renault's were ok. I knew of a Temis that was highly thought of. They had an iveco engine, same as used in a fiat 110-90.

lab man · 27-07-2020 06:54PM

declanflynn wrote: »

is there a main dealer in Clare

I honestly don't know if hes a main dealer or not david garahy . Is his name he has as on dd... limestone cowboy I think is from around there hed know better . the tractor I bought I knew the man that owned her so the second he told me he was trading I went straight up and put a deposit on it before she was in their yard

lab man · 27-07-2020 06:59PM

White Clover wrote: »

Was up Clare way recently. Whelan's have some amount of Massey tractors put out. Them and Welger balers, they're everywhere you'd look.

Ya selling alot but shaws sell some amount of new Holland here in clare they have a mechanic just servicing tractors in clare alone

straight · 16-08-2020 11:18AM

N121 hi tech seems like a nice dependable simple machine. I think I've my mind set on one. The only problem is the price of the fecking things. I wonder why so many of them have weights on the back wheels. Might give a look around the UK over the winter.

ABitofsense · 26-08-2020 07:52PM

I'm looking for 100-110hp tractor myself in the 30-40k budget & holy God the prices for some of the 2nd hand tractors! Looked at a 11 NH T5070, 4000k hrs. 50k with new loader fitted!! Nearly fell out of it! Very tough & frustrating to find a yoke

Grueller · 26-08-2020 09:55PM

I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.

CertifiedSimp · 26-08-2020 10:38PM

Grueller wrote: »

I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.

If you buy new on finance does it work better than cash as you can spread out tax deductions over the years?

And what if you trade in something valued at 10k, do you have to pay tax on that as income?

Donald Trump · 26-08-2020 11:26PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

And what if you trade in something valued at 10k, do you have to pay tax on that as income?

Would depend on the book value as far as I am aware.

i.e if you have already depreciated it to zero then it is the same as a profit. If it was on the books as 15k and you sold it for 10k, I'd imagine it's down as a 5k loss.

Grueller · 27-08-2020 06:37AM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

What are you looking at new?

Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

Reggie. · 27-08-2020 06:43AM

Grueller wrote: »

Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

Valtra have a fair price tag on them too

declanflynn · 27-08-2020 07:08AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Valtra have a fair price tag on them too

I was thinking of buying a Kubota with a loader, semm to be a few ex demi's around, what do lads here think of them

Reggie. · 27-08-2020 07:15AM

declanflynn wrote: »

I was thinking of buying a Kubota with a loader, semm to be a few ex demi's around, what do lads here think of them

The warranty is interesting with 5 years. Still a fair price tag on them. Dont hold thier price much either

Grueller · 27-08-2020 07:54AM

Reggie. wrote: »

Valtra have a fair price tag on them too

Ya I believe so. I haven't even started to price yet. It won't happen until next year at least so I will leave it off for a while. Case Maxxum will probably be the cheapest option. Amateur of mine bought a maxxum 115 with an LRZ 120 loader for €83,000. The equivalent Valtra is north of €100k he says and no bargaining or discounts either.

Grueller · 27-08-2020 07:57AM

Reggie. wrote: »

The warranty is interesting with 5 years. Still a fair price tag on them. Dont hold thier price much either

I priced a M135GX 2 years ago. €78,000 with a kubota loader on board for an ex demo. I think the Case I mentioned above at €83,000 would be a better option as it would be easier sold after if you wanted/needed to.

handlemaster · 27-08-2020 08:40AM

https://e-farm.com/fr/machines/tracteurs/247815/massey-ferguson-mf-8670

https://www.agriaffaires.com/occasion/tracteur-agricole/1/4044/massey-ferguson.html

tractorporn · 27-08-2020 08:48AM

handlemaster wrote: »

https://e-farm.com/fr/machines/tracteurs/247815/massey-ferguson-mf-8670

https://www.agriaffaires.com/occasion/tracteur-agricole/1/4044/massey-ferguson.html

The thing to watch out for when bringing a tractor from the continent is that they usually dont have pick up hitches so need to factor that in but they are usually a good bit cheaper tho

Figerty · 27-08-2020 10:57AM

Jjameson wrote: »

Whether it is COVID leisure related or what but old scrap tractors are a flying trade. If you want to annoy your worst enemy advertise a worn out 4000 or 135 Sub 2000euro and put his/her number on the ad.

A lot of small tractors left the coutnry via export. They are going to be rare and dear to buy from now on.

minerleague · 27-08-2020 11:46AM

Grueller wrote: »

Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

Looking at all above also, what do you think of new Jd 6m series? Should hold good value

CertifiedSimp · 27-08-2020 12:13PM

What are your thoughts on teleporters in addition to a main tractor?

Grueller · 27-08-2020 12:48PM

minerleague wrote: »

Looking at all above also, what do you think of new Jd 6m series? Should hold good value

They look a good machine. Only thing with JD isehen you add any small bit of spec to them the price goes off the charts.

Panch18 · 27-08-2020 12:57PM

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

What are your thoughts on teleporters in addition to a main tractor?

I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1

CertifiedSimp · 27-08-2020 01:02PM

Panch18 wrote: »

I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1

True, that said 6 months of the year you'll be feeding and field work isn't really done.

Mooooo · 27-08-2020 01:33PM

Panch18 wrote: »

I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1

Was thinking the opposite here. Have 35 yr old jcb and 25 yr old tractor. Tractors main work is agitating/ pumping slurry, spreading fert drawing in bales with the bale handler. All other tractor work is contracted out. Could easily enough higher in a tractor for a day or get a Contractor to do the jobs it's doing. Loader on the other hand does all feeding, cleaning out sheds, loading dung, stacking bales, drawing stone to drains all fencing jobs etc. Would be hard pushed to get a machine/ contractor in to do that during the winter as contractors loaders are simply too big these days. Flexibility of artic steer in our yard as well as ability to use a decent sized shear grab speeds up feeding as well

Figerty · 27-08-2020 06:57PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

If the second tractor needs to be updagrade/sold this is what I've be looking for. the second tractor is used primarily as a lader anyway except for wrapping bales or a quick trip around the fields which something light on when the main tractor is tied up or no at one of the pieces of ground away from main farm.

Merlo Multfarmer

Landini/McCormick

New Holland

Deici

Saw a merlo type (not sure of make) on the side of a mountain in Switerland about 15 yeara ago turning hay on about a 45 degree slope! very impressive. Might not have been a Merlo but it low centre of gravity helped.

timple23 · 27-08-2020 06:58PM

Back in late celtic tiger, 8 yr old 110hp 4cyl 3500hr quicke loader, 1 owner 35k. Today, same brand, 115hp 6 cyl, 5400hr no loader 1 owner 37k.

twin_beacon · 27-08-2020 07:08PM

Id love a telehandler. once the cattle are in for the winter, the bridgeway bale feeder doesn't really leave the tractor for more than a few hours. what I'd really love most about a telehandler is the 4 wheel steer, our hard is tight so we can't drive directly into the sheds with the tractor.

timple23 wrote: »

Back in late celtic tiger, 8 yr old 110hp 4cyl 3500hr quicke loader, 1 owner 35k. Today, same brand, 115hp 6 cyl, 5400hr no loader 1 owner 37k.

Yea, its mad. We have our tractor almost 16 years, and its only lost around €4-5k.

From 2008-2010 you could have bought a 150hp tractor for the same as a stock man tractor, lots of machines that were pulling low loaders and dumper trailers were out of work! Same with diggers.

Grueller · 27-08-2020 07:50PM

I see that with tractors all over the place here too. Lads have 15 years service for them and are still getting their money back for them.

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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