London jogger pushes woman in front of bus

Are Am Eye · 08-08-2017 2:08pm

In english law recklessness amonts to intent if it meets the test of what the reasonable man would view as an obvious risk.

In this situation a reasonable person would view pushing someone on to a busy road as an obvious risk to life.

Attempted manslaughter (there was no preconceived plan to kill her or proof of same)

ohnonotgmail · 08-08-2017 2:12pm

Are Am Eye wrote: »

In english law recklessness amonts to intent if it meets the test of what the reasonable man would view as an obvious risk.

In this situation a reasonable person would view pushing someone on to a busy road as an obvious risk to life.

Attempted manslaughter (there was no preconceived plan to kill her or proof of same)

no such thing as attempted manslaughter in english law.

ZeroCool17 · 08-08-2017 2:16pm

In the slow motion video you can see clearly she stuck out her leg to trip him and then he reacted. Now he should have stopped to see was she ok but I think she is not as innocent as she is making out.

dan1895 · 08-08-2017 2:19pm

ZeroCool17 wrote: »

In the slow motion video you can see clearly she stuck out her leg to trip him and then he reacted. Now he should have stopped to see was she ok but I think she is not as innocent as she is making out.

No i think the leg moves afterwards if I'm honest

earthwormjack · 08-08-2017 2:20pm

ZeroCool17 wrote: »

In the slow motion video you can see clearly she stuck out her leg to trip him and then he reacted. Now he should have stopped to see was she ok but I think she is not as innocent as she is making out.

What I saw was him pushing her and then her leg swinging around when she was off balance after it.

Galadriel · 08-08-2017 2:24pm

ZeroCool17 wrote: »

In the slow motion video you can see clearly she stuck out her leg to trip him and then he reacted. Now he should have stopped to see was she ok but I think she is not as innocent as she is making out.

He knocked into her first!

her leg only sticks out as she loses her balance and falls.

Ficheall · 08-08-2017 2:27pm

kylith wrote: »

Some men believe it's a woman's/the other person's job to get out of their way. I've done some wee real-world tests of this myself and a lot of men will keep walking until they walk into you.

Are you really trying to drag gender into this? :rolleyes:

Lu Tze · 08-08-2017 2:27pm

ZeroCool17 wrote: »

In the slow motion video you can see clearly she stuck out her leg to trip him and then he reacted. Now he should have stopped to see was she ok but I think she is not as innocent as she is making out.

If you pause/play coming up to it(moving it on frame by frame) what is actually clear is he runs into her, the leg only comes out at first contact.

ohnonotgmail · 08-08-2017 2:30pm

ZeroCool17 wrote: »

In the slow motion video you can see clearly she stuck out her leg to trip him and then he reacted. Now he should have stopped to see was she ok but I think she is not as innocent as she is making out.

assuming for a moment that the video shows this (and it clearly doesn't) why was his reaction to shoulder charge her instead of avoiding the foot?

nacho libre · 08-08-2017 2:32pm

It seems to me he eyed up the first guy, and then decided not to barge into him because he was a big guy. So the jogger is a coward as well as a scumbag. Fair play to the bus driver for avoiding her, also it was extremely good fortune he did not hit another vehicle in the process.

ligerdub · 08-08-2017 2:32pm

kylith wrote:

Some men believe it's a woman's/the other person's job to get out of their way. I've done some wee real-world tests of this myself and a lot of men will keep walking until they walk into you.

Interesting angle and I think the complete opposite is true.

I run quite a lot (in parks, not built up areas) and invariably only men will move aside to walk single file behind the person they are with. I can count on one hand the amount of times a woman has done that.....many times forcing me to step down onto the road with potential traffic from the other direction.

In this case the guy is totally out of line (although it's more careless and inconsiderate than callous). He shouldn't be running in the city anyway. ...pointless endeavour.

andekwarhola · 08-08-2017 2:33pm

Ficheall wrote: »

Are you really trying to drag gender into this? :rolleyes:

To be fair, in this stuation, the guy completely ignored a man on the path and ploughed straight into the woman a few seconds after.

ohnonotgmail · 08-08-2017 2:33pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Interesting angle and I think the complete opposite is true.

I run quite a lot (in parks, not built up areas) and invariably only men will move aside to walk single file behind the person they are with. I can count on one hand the amount of times a woman has done that.....many times forcing me to step down onto the road with potential traffic from the other direction.

In this case the guy is totally out of line (although it's more careless and inconsiderate than callous). He shouldn't be running in the city anyway. ...pointless endeavour.

he changed direction to move towards her as she tried to move out of his way. it was not careless and inconsiderate. it was deliberate.

riffmongous · 08-08-2017 2:38pm

Why didnt someone stop him when he came back around?

one armed dwarf · 08-08-2017 2:38pm

Has anyone ever had those weird thoughts like 'what if I punch this person walking in my direction' or 'what would happen if I jumped out in front of this incoming train right now' (but in a non-suicidal context)?

Anyone know what I'm talking about? Before anyone calls me a nutter Edgar Allen Poe calls it the 'Imp of the Perverse': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imp_of_the_Perverse_(short_story)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Imp_of_the_Perverse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrusive_thought

Basically an obsessive compulsion which makes us feel like doing something awful and destructive simply because we shouldn't. Obviously most people don't actually do something like this but I wonder if this guy had one of those thoughts and actually did it.

dring · 08-08-2017 2:38pm

obviously her foot comes out as she loses her balance after being hit, looks deliberate but the whole thing is very strange as he has actually put himself in danger, when you are running that fast it doesnt take much to knock you so the natural thing is to avoid any obstacle,

ELM327 · 08-08-2017 2:39pm

kylith wrote: »

Ever come across them running on the actual road? And people think cyclists are bad.

Some men believe it's a woman's/the other person's job to get out of their way. I've done some wee real-world tests of this myself and a lot of men will keep walking until they walk into you.

Danbo! · 08-08-2017 2:41pm

razorblunt wrote: »

At what point did the whole bus clap?

??? I stood there doing nothing, no reason for anyone on the bus to clap.

cloudatlas · 08-08-2017 2:42pm

I find the joggers in my local park to be aggressive. They barrell down towards you and don't swerve, I always feel that people who are going slower should have priority on a foot path and runners are the ones who should make the effort to divert, there is plenty of space.

dan1895 · 08-08-2017 2:43pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Glad i'm not the only one thinking of this.

ligerdub · 08-08-2017 2:45pm

kylith wrote:

Some men believe it's a woman's/the other person's job to get out of their way. I've done some wee real-world tests of this myself and a lot of men will keep walking until they walk into you.

Interesting angle and I think the complete opposite is true.

I run quite a lot (in parks, not built up areas) and invariably only men will move aside to walk single file behind the person they are with. I can count on one hand the amount of times a woman has done that.....many times forcing me to step down onto the road with potential traffic from the other direction.

In this case the guy is totally out of line (although it's more careless and inconsiderate than callous). He shouldn't be running in the city anyway. ...pointless endeavour.

MonsterCookie · 08-08-2017 2:53pm

I think her right leg comes up before there is contact but it's hard to see for certain. it seems to me that he changed direction deliberately and was running towards her so even if her leg does come up before contact it's more like an understandable defensive reaction.

Let's not turn his thread into a jogger bashing w@nkfest please.

I run a lot as part of my commute and find that for the most part people are tolerant of each other. You get some walkers, runners, cyclists and motorists who have bad days.

ligerdub · 08-08-2017 3:05pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he changed direction to move towards her as she tried to move out of his way. it was not careless and inconsiderate. it was deliberate.

Yeah fair enough, it doesn't look good for him.

Hear him out though before he's publicly flogged and thrown behind bars.

08-08-2017 3:12pm

redcup342 wrote: »

I hope someone pushes him accidentally while jogging past onto a Penis in Prison.

Ugh, the jogger's act is clearly revolting, but these 'let's hope the perp is assaulted in prison' statements always strike a discordant note with me.

A really dark, but frequently deployed, sentiment. I don't get it.

Stonedpilot · 08-08-2017 3:26pm

It's a fake viral video was already exposed on demotix.

RasTa · 08-08-2017 3:36pm

lazybones32 wrote: »

True. I pushed a guy into the river some time back. It was the river that drowned him, not me.

This is an extremely stupid thing to say and makes no sense.

robinph · 08-08-2017 3:41pm

Looks to me like he was trying to grab her bag. Can't see him pushing her into the bus, although that is the clear result of his actions, but he does swerve towards her and then his arms are going in a weird direction for him to have just tried to push her towards the bus.

RobertKK · 08-08-2017 3:45pm

Well done to the bus driver.

Riskymove · 08-08-2017 4:20pm

robinph wrote: »

then his arms are going in a weird direction for him to have just tried to push her towards the bus.

i doubt he was trying to push her under a bus....just push her out of the way...the bus is coming from behind him so unlikely he knew it was there. It would also be unlikely that he would come strolling back 15 mins later if he had deliberately attempted murder

still a despicable and reckless act

o1s1n · 08-08-2017 4:25pm

RasTa wrote: »

This is an extremely stupid thing to say and makes no sense.

It does if you understand the concept of sarcasm.

murpho999 · 08-08-2017 4:33pm

cloudatlas wrote: »

I find the joggers in my local park to be aggressive. They barrell down towards you and don't swerve, I always feel that people who are going slower should have priority on a foot path and runners are the ones who should make the effort to divert, there is plenty of space.

There is no need to tarnish all people because of this.

What this guy did was at completely different level of dick-headedness.

In relation to your point I have had issues with loads of pedestrians who are just oblivious to their surroundings and are difficult to get around as they meander down paths or dawdle so it works both ways.

08-08-2017 4:35pm

murpho999 wrote: »

There is no need to tarnish all people because of this.

What this guy did was at completely different level of dick-headedness.

In relation to your point I have had issues with loads of pedestrians who are just oblivious to their surroundings and are difficult to get around as they meander down paths or dawdle so it works both ways.

They didn't tarnish all people tbf. Just the runners in their local park.

B.A._Baracus · 08-08-2017 4:39pm

What a w*nker!
Talk about get out of my way.

AllGunsBlazing · 08-08-2017 4:41pm

Belligerent pri_ck. You can see by the central position he's taken up on the path that he believes it to be entirely his right of way. Probably even worse when he gets behind the wheel of his Audi/BMW/Merc.....

angryIreGamer · 08-08-2017 4:43pm

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Belligerent pri_ck. You can see by the central position he's taken up on the path that he believes it to be entirely his right of way. Probably even worse when he gets behind the wheel of his Audi/BMW/Merc.....

bicycle - just look at that disregard for people. only a cyclist hates humanity like that.

Generalisations! WOOOOOOOOOOO

Ficheall · 08-08-2017 4:47pm

andekwarhola wrote: »

To be fair, in this stuation, the guy completely ignored a man on the path and ploughed straight into the woman a few seconds after.

And?

BBDBB · 08-08-2017 4:49pm

so he didn't score a maximum combo

RasTa · 08-08-2017 4:49pm

o1s1n wrote: »

It does if you understand the concept of sarcasm.

He wasn't being sarcastic, unless you think he pushed her in front of a bus.

RasTa · 08-08-2017 4:54pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya cause its London and they're be no traffic if he pushed here close to the road

kylith wrote: »

He pushed her towards a road + she then fell in front of a bus = He pushed her in front of a bus.

He pushed her out of his way. The red mist has descended and probably had to avoid some other people whilst out on this run. His only thought was the push this woman out of his running line. If he wanted to throw her under the bus it wouldn't have being that difficult.

deadanonymau5 · 08-08-2017 4:55pm

Surely theres better footage of him in London of all places...

AllGunsBlazing · 08-08-2017 4:56pm

angryIreGamer wrote: »

bicycle - just look at that disregard for people. only a cyclist hates humanity like that.

Generalisations! WOOOOOOOOOOO

Yes, that too. In any circumstances while using any mode of transportation this guy would most likely be an absolute menace to others.

January · 08-08-2017 5:02pm

RasTa wrote: »

He pushed her out of his way. The red mist has descended and probably had to avoid some other people whilst out on this run. His only thought was the push this woman out of his running line. If he wanted to throw her under the bus it wouldn't have being that difficult.

So why didn't he push the man who passed by him, in the exact same position as the woman, less than 5 seconds before? Oh yeah, because he's not big and brave enough to push a man. ****ing prick.

kylith · 08-08-2017 5:02pm

RasTa wrote: »

He pushed her out of his way. The red mist has descended and probably had to avoid some other people whilst out on this run. His only thought was the push this woman out of his running line. If he wanted to throw her under the bus it wouldn't have being that difficult.

What red mist? What 'avoid other people'? He ran past one other person on a practically empty footpath before deliberately swerving toward her.

Fred Swanson · 08-08-2017 5:03pm

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Bambi985 · 08-08-2017 5:05pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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My only thought is maybe it took them a while to track down the CCTV and maybe all of their own efforts to find him have failed so they're trying to enlist the help of the public.

ForestFire · 08-08-2017 5:13pm

Bambi985 wrote: »

My only thought is maybe it took them a while to track down the CCTV and maybe all of their own efforts to find him have failed so they're trying to enlist the help of the public.

Also the footage they do have looks like the rear dash-cam of a moving vehicle (All though the article says CCTV footage?).

This vehicle was past the incident and may not have even seen it or knew they had the footage.

The footage itself may have only been received recently

The footage is from a vehicle in the bus lane so another Bus or taxi? it this is the case then they would have been able to get it quicker.

RasTa · 08-08-2017 5:20pm

January wrote: »

So why didn't he push the man who passed by him, in the exact same position as the woman, less than 5 seconds before? Oh yeah, because he's not big and brave enough to push a man. ****ing prick.

kylith wrote: »

What red mist? What 'avoid other people'? He ran past one other person on a practically empty footpath before deliberately swerving toward her.

Yeah, because he is a coward. Red mist doesn't take long to appear

Synthol · 08-08-2017 5:22pm

That's what happens when you let humans overpopulate the world.

The_Kew_Tour · 08-08-2017 5:31pm

RasTa wrote: »

He pushed her out of his way. The red mist has descended and probably had to avoid some other people whilst out on this run. His only thought was the push this woman out of his running line. If he wanted to throw her under the bus it wouldn't have being that difficult.

headline does not say "under" it says "in front"

so its not misleading like you claim, no matter what.

RasTa · 08-08-2017 5:35pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

headline does not say "under" it says "in front"

so its not misleading like you claim, no matter what.

Same thing, he pushed her out of his way and not in front of a bus.

London jogger pushes woman in front of bus

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