Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

Captain Obvious · 08-04-2018 10:18am #1

Another awful story coming out of Syria. Chemical weapon used on civilians. Pictures of dead women and children. Seems to be a massive online war to control the narrative too. Doesn't seem to be any end to this proxy war between the US and Russia and only the innocent seem to be suffering.

http://www.thejournal.ie/douma-chemical-attack-3946716-Apr2018/

Hande hoche! · 08-04-2018 10:27am

The rebels should have taken the evacuation buses like the other two pockets in Ghouta. Not too sure as to how the US etc. will respond.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 10:54am

Nothing will happen ,we will get calls for s full UN investigation which will be blocked by russia who will repeatedly say there is no chemical weapons in Syria and it's all fake news to make russia look bad ,
meanwhile posters will come in to remind us that America did this and America did that .

vicwatson · 08-04-2018 10:57am

The article the op linked to says "alleged" chemical attack? You wouldn't know what to be believing these days

monty_python · 08-04-2018 10:57am

Again

TheValeyard · 08-04-2018 11:06am

Russia needs to stop supporting the butchers of Syria, House Assad. But I suppose it doesnt suit the current Russian policy of destabilising regions.

Supergurrier · 08-04-2018 11:06am

He's at it again that wascally scamp

And we would have got away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky Americans and their dog.

brevity · 08-04-2018 11:08am

Loads of kids killed apparently. ****ing disgusting.

These are war criminals. They should be in prison but nothing will be done as usual.

dr.fuzzenstein · 08-04-2018 11:09am

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Russia needs to stop supporting the butchers of Syria, House Assad. But I suppose it doesnt suit the current Russian policy of destabilising regions.

And Putinbots in 3...2...1...

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 11:10am

Every time Assad seems to be winning he starts using chemical weapons. It’s pretty stupid really.

judeboy101 · 08-04-2018 11:11am

Sales of false flags are going through the roof

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 11:13am

The Russian should stop destabilising the region by supporting the Assad government. It’s only when the US supported rebels like Isis and Al Nusra take over and kill everybody in Damascus will the region be stabilised.

dr.fuzzenstein · 08-04-2018 11:18am

And we have liftoff!

Barry Badrinath · 08-04-2018 11:19am

The Syrian conflict is not very straight forward and claims of chemical attacks should be treated with hessitation as they could spark a regional conflict.

Since the recent forced evacuation of various rebel groups from Eastern Ghouta, media outlets have been reporting discoveries of chemical weapon manufacturing bunkers underground, primarily in the last current bastion of rebel held Ghouta.

The refusal of the group to relocate may add an element of truth to the unconfirmed discoveries. It is further solidified when you take into account that the same rebel group previously used chemical agents against syrian population in Aleppo.

The recent targeted strikes by syrian and russian aircraft *may* have hit whatever stockpile was co-located with the rebel groups.

Tactically and strategically, it is unlikely that the Syrian forces used chemical weapons against the rebels and civilians in Ghouta. Especially at this late stage of the conflict while relocation deals are being handed out.

It is more likely that remaining rebels used the chemical agent as a last attempt to regain control and halt syrian advances by bringing the international community into the mix.

Thats IF there is any truth to it.

Jimbob1977 · 08-04-2018 11:34am

It's hard to know the real truth these days. It's like 1984.

Two different newspapers will report the facts in different ways, based on the wishes of their owners.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 08-04-2018 11:38am

Can anyone give a coherent reason why Assad always seems to use chemical weapons when the area is just about to fall to his control.

Seriously what would he possibly have to gain from using chemical weapons when the war is all but won??

Gringo180 · 08-04-2018 11:41am

Mods please dont ruin another thread and bury it in that graveyard thats Politics Cafe 2.0.

Gringo180 · 08-04-2018 11:43am

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Russia needs to stop supporting the butchers of Syria, House Assad. But I suppose it doesnt suit the current Russian policy of destabilising regions.

Have I entered an alternate universe? The one I come from that was Americas job.

08-04-2018 12:37pm

vicwatson wrote: »

You wouldn't know what to be believing these days

Shhhh.

TerrorFirmer · 08-04-2018 12:38pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Russia needs to stop supporting the butchers of Syria, House Assad. But I suppose it doesnt suit the current Russian policy of destabilising regions.

As opposed to what - leave the country to it's own devices and end up with Libya 2.0 or worse?

An Assad victory is the quickest way to stability and peace if we are being entirely realistic.

Not a fan of Russia in general but anyone who thinks a Russian withdrawal is the answer to Syria's problems is deluded.

At the very, very least people should be questioning the narrative of what's happening and being reported in Syria.

It is not a simple case of the 'good guys' fighting the big bad butcher (and never was but that's how it's being pushed in some media).

TheValeyard · 08-04-2018 12:51pm

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

As opposed to what - leave the country to it's own devices and end up with Libya 2.0 or worse?

An Assad victory is the quickest way to stability and peace if we are being entirely realistic.

Not a fan of Russia in general but anyone who thinks a Russian withdrawal is the answer to Syria's problems is deluded.

At the very, very least people should be questioning the narrative of what's happening and being reported in Syria.

It is not a simple case of the 'good guys' fighting the big bad butcher (and never was but that's how it's being pushed in some media).

1) Its already far, far worse than Libya.

2) Assad is a mass murdering butcher and will be unable to secure the country without mass executions and torture if victorious.

dr.fuzzenstein · 08-04-2018 1:10pm

Assad is a tyrant who wants to cling onto power at all costs, if this means bombing the population and turning the country into something that looks like Dresden in 1945, so be it. The Russians are only to happy to go along with that, because they also have zero concerns for the population as long as they get the desired outcome.
If I had the choice of being oppressed by US backed forces or Russian backed forces, I'd go for the US 10 times out of 10.
Say what you want about them, but genocide, starvation and mass human rights abuses are not really their thing.
You can be sure that these will be the hallmarks of Russian and Chinese meddling in Africa and the Middle East going forward.

TerrorFirmer · 08-04-2018 1:12pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

1) Its already far, far worse than Libya.

2) Assad is a mass murdering butcher and will be unable to secure the country without mass executions and torture if victorious.

That doesn't even answer the question.

If you want Russia to pull out and Assad to fall, what's your alternative for the future of Syria?

This mess wouldn't have spiraled out on control to the extent it did in the first place if the US had not intervened (it's quite similar to Russia backing separatists in Eastern Ukraine).

This is not me saying I support Assad by the way - it's about having a realistic conversation about the future of Syria.

Look at what happened in Iraq. The US's democracy project almost ended in total and utter failure despite the money spent and paper strength of the establishment -at the first watery, weak challenge to the central government.

Bobeagleburger · 08-04-2018 1:18pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Can anyone give a coherent reason why Assad always seems to use chemical weapons when the area is just about to fall to his control.

Seriously what would he possibly have to gain from using chemical weapons when the war is all but won??

An easy way for Assad /A.N Other to test chemical weapons safe in the knowledge nothing will be done about it.

FTA69 · 08-04-2018 1:25pm

Assad is undoubtedly a bad individual and the Russians are ruthlessly acting in Syria solely to protect their own interests; I don't think anyone can argue otherwise or that the whole situation there is a horrible bloody mess.

At the same time I haven't heard of any credible suggestion as to what could or should be done.

vicwatson · 08-04-2018 1:35pm

Rte lyric fm used the word “suggested” (chemical weapons were used)

RandomName2 · 08-04-2018 1:42pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Russia needs to stop supporting the butchers of Syria, House Assad. But I suppose it doesnt suit the current Russian policy of destabilising regions.

I fully support Assad and Russia in Syria. They are the only stable forces in the area. The US wants to destabilise the region and supported rebels to that effect (Al Qaeda, FSA, etc.). However, that hasn't panned out too well and they are backing Kurds. While I am all for backing the Kurds, America wants to still have the support of Turkey, and when the chips are down, the Kurds pay the price.

The Damascus rebels are on their knees. Using conventional warfare Assad has eliminated almost all of their territory. Maybe he has sought to level the playing field by using chemical weapons at the 11th hour in order to give the rebels international support. :rolleyes:

Assad does not seem like a nice person. He is by all accounts a brutal dictator. But we should also be realistic instead of wanting to rebuild the middle east in our image. Assad's weakness created ISIL. Think about that.

ArchXStanton · 08-04-2018 1:48pm

Probably another fabrication by the US regime and its axis of evil allies..

suicide_circus · 08-04-2018 2:25pm

Putin and his allies do love an auld chemical weapon

Barry Badrinath · 08-04-2018 2:38pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

Assad's weakness created ISIL. Think about that.

Huh?

Gatling · 08-04-2018 2:39pm

Trump just said Russia and Iran will be a "big price to play" for backing the use of chemical weapons by assad..

Donald Trump has warned Russia and Iran there will be a "big price to pay" for backing the Syrian regime after a suspected chemical attack.

The US President condemned as "mindless" and "SICK" reports of at least 70 people being killed, and a further 500 injured, in an alleged chlorine gas attack in the city of Douma in eastern Ghouta.

Mr Trump tweeted: "Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...

"....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!"

Fann Linn · 08-04-2018 2:44pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Rte lyric fm used the word “suggested” (chemical weapons were used)

An aid group associated with the rebels have laid the claims apparently.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 2:51pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And we have liftoff!

No I’m agreeing with you. Only putinbots would think that the Isis or al nusra freedom fighters would use chemical weapons because they are losing. Obviously Assad did this because he is winning. The best thing now is for the freedom fighters of al nusra to take over Damascus and saved the oppressed Christians, Shia, and Alawites from the oppression of Assad.

Freedom! Go US!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 2:53pm

We should in fact be even more wary of putinbots than we are. Putin is probably is behind the idea that Saddam didn’t have chemical weapons or that the Libyan dictator wasn’t in fact threatening genocide and that overthrowing him wasn’t a good idea.

The putinbots are everywhere. I check my bed for putinbots.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 08-04-2018 2:55pm

Gatling wrote: »

Trump just said Russia and Iran will be a "big price to play" for backing the use of chemical weapons by assad..

Donald Trump has warned Russia and Iran there will be a "big price to pay" for backing the Syrian regime after a suspected chemical attack.

The US President condemned as "mindless" and "SICK" reports of at least 70 people being killed, and a further 500 injured, in an alleged chlorine gas attack in the city of Douma in eastern Ghouta.

Mr Trump tweeted: "Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...

"....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!"

Hang on - trump is a Russian agent. Can we trust him? How come he’s angry with Russia now?

Could it be a ploy by putin to make trump seem angry with Putin?

Don’t trust anything. Putin controls the world.

Fann Linn · 08-04-2018 2:56pm

Getting silly now.

Creol1 · 08-04-2018 2:58pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

We should in fact be even more wary of putinbots than we are. Putin is probably is behind the idea that Saddam didn’t have chemical weapons or that the Libyan dictator wasn’t in fact threatening genocide and that overthrowing him wasn’t a good idea.

The putinbots are everywhere. I check my bed for putinbots.

Good idea. I check behind the curtains and in the wardrobe too, just in case.

Creol1 · 08-04-2018 3:03pm

Compare and contrast.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982969547283161090

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373146637184401408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F4730219%2Fsyria-missile-attack-donald-trump-tweets%2F&tfw_site=TIME

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 3:12pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Another awful story coming out of Syria. Chemical weapon used on civilians. Pictures of dead women and children. Seems to be a massive online war to control the narrative too. Doesn't seem to be any end to this proxy war between the US and Russia and only the innocent seem to be suffering.

http://www.thejournal.ie/douma-chemical-attack-3946716-Apr2018/

Russia predicted this weeks ago there would be a false flag event in Syria using chemical weapons looks like it happened.

Creol1 · 08-04-2018 3:13pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

1) Its already far, far worse than Libya.

2) Assad is a mass murdering butcher and will be unable to secure the country without mass executions and torture if victorious.

1) Libya is in anarchy and is a failed state like Somalia with no effective government. Syria is not a failed state as most of the population is under govt control and the govt is still able to function -- in some places almost as normal -- in areas it controls.

2) Mass executions and torture are precisely how ISIS have been controlling their territories. When Aleppo was won back, there were no "mass executions".

Gatling · 08-04-2018 3:17pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia predicted this weeks ago there would be a false flag event in Syria using chemical weapons looks like it happened.

While using their own chemical weapons in the UK in the Salisbury attack .
Remember it was russia who said they have no chemical weapons and neither does Assad but we've all seen otherwise

Mutant z · 08-04-2018 3:22pm

Which is worse Assad or ISIS because thats the choice on the table when given a choice its clesr which the Syrian citizens want its best for the USA and co think about that before they gung ho to bomb it again.

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 3:24pm

Gatling wrote: »

While using their own chemical weapons in the UK in the Salisbury attack .
Remember it was russia who said they have no chemical weapons and neither does Assad but we've all seen otherwise

Russia warned us this was underway weeks ago the rebels would stage a new chemical weapons attack in Syria. Assad is winning the war he does need to use chemical weapons. Chemical weapons used increases the probability the US will act in Syria militarily. What scary here they not trying to hide false flags anymore.

March 13th
The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass.
It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

Fann Linn · 08-04-2018 3:26pm

Mutant z wrote: »

Which is worse Assad or ISIS because thats the choice on the table when given a choice its clesr which the Syrian citizens want its best for the USA and co think about that before they gung ho to bomb it again.

In light of what's going on in Iraq and Libya I'm sure there are plenty who would have Saddam and Ghadaffi back.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 3:27pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia warned us this was underway weeks ago the rebels would stage a new chemical weapons attack in Syria. Assad is winning the war he does need to use chemical weapons.

March 13th
The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass.
It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

The same russia again who have claimed that they have No chemical weapons but twice used them for assinations on UK soil ,
The same russia that has blocked every attempted investigations into the use of chemical weapons by the UN ,
So tell us more about how well you know Assad and know what he will do and what he won't do

Russian media sites-

laughing

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 3:38pm

Gatling wrote: »

The same russia again who have claimed that they have No chemical weapons but twice used them for assinations on UK soil ,
The same russia that has blocked every attempted investigations into the use of chemical weapons by the UN ,
So tell us more about how well you know Assad and know what he will do and what he won't do

Russian media sites-

laughing

Let's have a war with Russia how is this anyway good for the world? These shadowy people need to be stopped before they destroy us all.

President Kennedy warned us about these people decades ago.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 3:43pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

These shadowy people need to be stopped before they destroy us all.

I didn't ask about shadow men or lizards.

Actually would a chemical weapon attack in Syria take the current spot light off russia and their ongoing use of chemical weapons after the Salisbury attack ,
Its suits them perfectly doesn't it

Cheerful Spring · 08-04-2018 3:46pm

Gatling wrote: »

I didn't ask about shadow men or lizards.

Actually would a chemical weapon attack in Syria take the current spot light off russia and their ongoing use of chemical weapons after the Salisbury attack ,
Its suits them perfectly doesn't it

Two US presidents warned us this would happen. People like you are just not listening to what was said.

Gatling · 08-04-2018 3:53pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Two US presidents

Back to the chemical weapons attack in Syria .

TheValeyard · 08-04-2018 3:56pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Have I entered an alternate universe? The one I come from that was Americas job.

Nah, Russians have been at it for some time now, Georgia, Ukraine, Crimea, US Elections, Brexit, They have been undermining countries for years now.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That doesn't even answer the question.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

If you want Russia to pull out and Assad to fall, what's your alternative for the future of Syria?

U.N Mandated mission to create an alternative state

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

This mess wouldn't have spiraled out on control to the extent it did in the first place if the US had not intervened (it's quite similar to Russia backing separatists in Eastern Ukraine).

Assad was beat until Russia got involved. They caused the massive mess.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

This is not me saying I support Assad by the way - it's about having a realistic conversation about the future of Syria.

To be realistic Assad cannot stay, he is too hated by many people living there. He is a spent force, a stain.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Look at what happened in Iraq. The US's democracy project almost ended in total and utter failure despite the money spent and paper strength of the establishment -at the first watery, weak challenge to the central government.

Iraq was George Bushes and Dick Cheneys massive mess, looking for oil in the guise of weapons of mass destruction. This is completely different.

RandomName2 wrote: »

I fully support Assad and Russia in Syria. They are the only stable forces in the area. The US wants to destabilise the region and supported rebels to that effect (Al Qaeda, FSA, etc.). However, that hasn't panned out too well and they are backing Kurds. While I am all for backing the Kurds, America wants to still have the support of Turkey, and when the chips are down, the Kurds pay the price.

So you support a butcher and mass murderer? Nice to know. Russia has dragged this conflict out a lot longer than it needed to be.

RandomName2 wrote: »

The Damascus rebels are on their knees. Using conventional warfare Assad has eliminated almost all of their territory. Maybe he has sought to level the playing field by using chemical weapons at the 11th hour in order to give the rebels international support. :rolleyes:

Roll eyes all you want, Syrian State forces are stretched. Also, Assad might not have full control over his own troops, could be a rogue general. Simply other posters claiming false flag is the mantra of the tinfoil hat wearing paranoid keyboard warrior (not saying you personally)

RandomName2 wrote: »

Assad does not seem like a nice person. He is by all accounts a brutal dictator. But we should also be realistic instead of wanting to rebuild the middle east in our image. Assad's weakness created ISIL. Think about that.

How can the people of various provinces follow a man who has bombed them into the ground? Think about that.

Creol1 wrote: »

1) Libya is in anarchy and is a failed state like Somalia with no effective government. Syria is not a failed state as most of the population is under govt control and the govt is still able to function -- in some places almost as normal -- in areas it controls.

Syria is far worse than Libya at present. Syrian regime is only propped up by barrel bombs, Russian fire jets and foreign merch forces, raping and pillaging their way throughout Syrian territory.

Creol1 wrote: »

2) Mass executions and torture are precisely how ISIS have been controlling their territories. When Aleppo was won back, there were no "mass executions".

Why because RT said so? Yes there was, and once Russian TV crews go, many people vanish into Assads torture prisons.

Mutant z wrote: »

Which is worse Assad or ISIS because thats the choice on the table when given a choice its clesr which the Syrian citizens want its best for the USA and co think about that before they gung ho to bomb it again.

There is always another choice.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia warned us this was underway weeks ago the rebels would stage a new chemical weapons attack in Syria. Assad is winning the war he does need to use chemical weapons. Chemical weapons used increases the probability the US will act in Syria militarily. What scary here they not trying to hide false flags anymore.

March 13th
The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass.
It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

Hmm, yes, seems exactly what id to if my Allie or merch force might do something silly. Declare my enemy is planning to do it, so when it happens, blame them.

gw80 · 08-04-2018 4:00pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

1) Its already far, far worse than Libya.

2) Assad is a mass murdering butcher and will be unable to secure the country without mass executions and torture if victorious.

I dont know about that, im not claiming to know evert thing that's going on in Syria, (does anyone) but over Easter, there was a report on ch4 about the rebels being bussed out, and then it cut to Christians celebrating Easter in Damascus, where they interviewed a woman at a church who was very westernized in her appearance, eg, make up, hair done up, casual dress, talking about how life was pretty much back to normal in Damascus. Is this what the Americans and the rebels are fighting against?

Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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