Irish Rail September Timetable Changes

markpb · 04-09-2018 9:45pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

if they could be 8 mins faster in the 80s, having only added GCD since then why are they so much slower now? It's the same all over the network...

I suspect the network is carrying far more trains and passengers now than it was in the 80s. That means more dwell time in stations, more clearance needed between trains and more conflicts at points. Heath and safety rules have changed a lot since then too. All of those will have an impact on speed and throughout.

LEIN · 04-09-2018 9:55pm

devnull wrote: »

Although they can't win really though can they with padding? On this thread you have people unhappy with too much padding and a few posts down in the forum there is one about DARTs always being late which indicates they don't have enough.

I travel DART to and from Greystones 5 days a week.
DARTs running late is not due to padding or lack of. I have given my opinion on this in the past and it was unpopular, I won't go there again. Some regular users will have seen the many inefficiencies.

Cookie_Monster · 04-09-2018 9:58pm

devnull wrote: »

Well the driver change at Clontarf can't help.

since when is Clontarf between Tara st and Bray?

Cookie_Monster · 04-09-2018 10:00pm

markpb wrote: »

I suspect the network is carrying far more trains and passengers now than it was in the 80s. That means more dwell time in stations, more clearance needed between trains and more conflicts at points. Heath and safety rules have changed a lot since then too. All of those will have an impact on speed and throughout.

but balance that with improved signalling and systems reducing the headway required. Newer stock with better acceleration and braking profiles, more carriages meaning more doors meaning more entry points for faster loading...

Working class heroes · 04-09-2018 10:27pm

LEIN wrote: »

I travel DART to and from Greystones 5 days a week.
DARTs running late is not due to padding or lack of. I have given my opinion on this in the past and it was unpopular, I won't go there again. Some regular users will have seen the many inefficiencies.

Go for it. Embrace the hate:D

Infini · 04-09-2018 11:50pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

but balance that with improved signalling and systems reducing the headway required. Newer stock with better acceleration and braking profiles, more carriages meaning more doors meaning more entry points for faster loading...

Doesnt change the core issue though: 4 lines, one chokepoint.

Jamie2k9 · 05-09-2018 12:12pm

So DART drivers not happy about tea breaks then?

I'm sure the disruptive behaviour doesn't have the company or customer in mind!

The major problem with DART today is the now permeant TSRs in place on the route, 10 minute schedule could work more efficiently if speed restrictions were removed and those level crossings closed but they should start with the TSR.

One example the 10mph into 5/6/7 at Connolly causes trains to slow down much sooner than they should and holding up those departing Tara.

GM228 · 05-09-2018 3:08pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

So DART drivers not happy about tea breaks then?

I'm sure the disruptive behaviour doesn't have the company or customer in mind!

There's a bit more to this than "tea breaks" (we shall leave that argument to the LUAS drivers

) and in fairness I would not call it disruptive behaviour either, there are two parties at play here and indications (from the WRC perspective anyway) is blame is not always one sided.

Working class heroes · 05-09-2018 4:43pm

GM228 wrote: »

There's a bit more to this than "tea breaks" (we shall leave that argument to the LUAS drivers ) and in fairness I would not call it disruptive behaviour either, there are two parties at play here and indications (from the WRC perspective anyway) is blame is not always one sided.

Yep. From what I heard they may be some merit in their grievance.
Still no white smoke.

Colonel Claptrap · 05-09-2018 4:58pm

Ah lads, stop teasing us!!

Infini · 06-09-2018 8:51am

Heard from a good source that Drivers havent even been given so much as roster information as to whos working what when this kicks in and they havent even agreeed to all this yet. For such a significant change to things alot of grief is over the lack of information.

Working class heroes · 06-09-2018 9:41am

Infini wrote: »

Heard from a good source that Drivers havent even been given so much as roster information as to whos working what when this kicks in and they havent even agreeed to all this yet. For such a significant change to things alot of grief is over the lack of information.

They have been given rosters.
The “issues” have arisen after receipt of these rosters.

Working class heroes · 06-09-2018 1:49pm

We have white smoke folks, good to go.
Roll on next Monday and let the chaos commence.....

Infini · 06-09-2018 2:05pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

We have white smoke folks, good to go.
Roll on next Monday and let the chaos commence.....

Better start taking bets on how many weeks Merrion LC goes without some impatient gobshyte charging through it. Pretty sure that sections gonna be a troublespot.

Jamie2k9 · 06-09-2018 2:27pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

We have white smoke folks, good to go.
Roll on next Monday and let the chaos commence.....

More importantly who came out on top with the issues around rosters?

Working class heroes · 06-09-2018 3:06pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

More importantly who came out on top with the issues around rosters?

The traveling public of course

Working class heroes · 06-09-2018 3:08pm

Infini wrote: »

Better start taking bets on how many weeks Merrion LC goes without some impatient gobshyte charging through it. Pretty sure that sections gonna be a troublespot.

Oh I’d imagine those gates will soften a few coughs in the not too distant future.

GM228 · 06-09-2018 3:52pm

Working class heroes wrote: »

We have white smoke folks, good to go.
Roll on next Monday and let the chaos commence.....

I know I previously said you have perfect hearing, but I can't say the same for your eyes WCH

Currently we have black smoke in Landsdowne Road and plenty of it, white smoke in time for Monday is looking increasingly unlikely.

Monday could be an interesting day...

Working class heroes · 06-09-2018 4:01pm

GM228 wrote: »

I know I previously said you have perfect hearing, but I can't say the same for your eyes WCH

Currently we have black smoke in Landsdowne Road and plenty of it, white smoke in time for Monday is looking increasingly unlikely.

Monday could be an interesting day...

Ah ok. My info must be wrong so. Your source *cough* obviously knows more than mine. I’m off to crack skulls:D.

Apologies for getting everyone’s hopes up!!:)

Peregrine · 06-09-2018 4:07pm

Ah, lads, you're killing us with suspense!

Colonel Claptrap · 06-09-2018 4:12pm

I don't know what all the fuss is about. There's plenty of room to stow a cooler bag in a DART driver's cab.

devnull · 06-09-2018 5:01pm

I must say I haven't heard positive things about Monday. They may have to defer the timetable to prevent a dispute arising and a disruption to services.

lawred2 · 06-09-2018 5:12pm

GM228 wrote: »

There's a bit more to this than "tea breaks" (we shall leave that argument to the LUAS drivers ) and in fairness I would not call it disruptive behaviour either, there are two parties at play here and indications (from the WRC perspective anyway) is blame is not always one sided.

Is this dispute possibly going to delay these timetable changes?

lawred2 · 06-09-2018 5:13pm

devnull wrote: »

I must say I haven't heard positive things about Monday. They may have to defer the timetable to prevent a dispute arising and a disruption to services.

I'm highly biased on this given that I would have been losing my express trains from Portmarnock into Connolly... So I hope you're right

kingshankly · 07-09-2018 11:43pm

Infini wrote: »

Heard from a good source that Drivers havent even been given so much as roster information as to whos working what when this kicks in and they havent even agreeed to all this yet. For such a significant change to things alot of grief is over the lack of information.

You definitely heard wrong my friend

GM228 · 08-09-2018 7:31pm

Talks are concluded, and there is mainly white smoke, 10 minute DART should commence Monday, but, it is possible there may be some industrial unrest.

devnull · 08-09-2018 8:50pm

GM228 wrote: »

Talks are concluded, and there is mainly white smoke, 10 minute DART should commence Monday, but, it is possible there may be some industrial unrest.

If trains don't turn up or are disrupted due to operational issues, I guess we know what it is

Jamie2k9 · 08-09-2018 8:55pm

devnull wrote: »

If trains don't turn up or are disrupted due to operational issues, I guess we know what it is

All trains will run or no trains will run unless there is a sudden illness in driver grade.

Unions should be ensuring full compliance tomorrow.

GM228 · 08-09-2018 11:07pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All trains will run or no trains will run unless there is a sudden illness in driver grade.

This is not certain

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Unions should be ensuring full compliance tomorrow.

Believe it or not they actually tried to, however the issue is with their members, not the union and it has caused severe division between drivers.

devnull · 08-09-2018 11:28pm

GM228 wrote: »

This is not certain

Believe it or not they actually tried to, however the issue is with their members, not the union and it has caused severe division between drivers.

So we're talking about possible unofficial industrial action?

GM228 · 08-09-2018 11:30pm

devnull wrote: »

So we're talking about possible unofficial industrial action?

It is certainly a possibility.

Cloudio9 · 09-09-2018 8:57am

So I use the Dart every week day and there has been zero station information or publicity on this. Going to be a lot of confused commuters tomorrow.

LEIN · 09-09-2018 9:20am

Cloudio9 wrote: »

So I use the Dart every week day and there has been zero station information or publicity on this. Going to be a lot of confused commuters tomorrow.

It was displayed on the real time boards between the current train and station calls, the following two trains and all of the broken lifts from Rosslare to Dundalk.

Surely that was enough, no?

Rashers72 · 09-09-2018 9:26am

LEIN wrote: »

It was displayed on the real time boards between the current train and station calls, the following two trains and all of the broken lifts from Rosslare to Dundalk.

Surely that was enough, no?

While I would kind of agree, they really should have made some PA announcements, even if automated on repeat, especially Thurs, Friday and Sat.

BlondeBomb · 09-09-2018 9:34am

I thought Maynooth lines were going to be increased, especially on weekends?

Still seem to be hourly services.

thomasj · 09-09-2018 9:59am

BlondeBomb wrote:

I thought Maynooth lines were going to be increased, especially on weekends?

BlondeBomb wrote:

Still seem to be hourly services.

Won't be until December

Jamie2k9 · 09-09-2018 10:28am

GM228 wrote: »

This is not certain

Believe it or not they actually tried to, however the issue is with their members, not the union and it has caused severe division between drivers.

They have not tried hard enough! They were successful last year after the unofficial unrest.

Immediate dismissal from the union and IE actually taking legal action to recover financial loss, appears last years apparent action was quietly swept under the carpet?

I still think full service will run but we shall see.

Infini · 09-09-2018 12:05pm

Cloudio9 wrote: »

So I use the Dart every week day and there has been zero station information or publicity on this. Going to be a lot of confused commuters tomorrow.

They don't print out timetables anymore these days. You have to download the PDF off the website now for a timetable.

Cloudio9 · 09-09-2018 12:27pm

Infini wrote: »

They don't print out timetables anymore these days. You have to download the PDF off the website now for a timetable.

Right but what percentage of commuters are aware that there's a new timetable in place....particularly those who are about to experience a significant change such as entirely losing a commuter service at peak times.

Infini · 09-09-2018 1:17pm

Cloudio9 wrote: »

Right but what percentage of commuters are aware that there's a new timetable in place....particularly those who are about to experience a significant change such as entirely losing a commuter service at peak times.

You'll never get everyone no matter how much you try to be fair. Some people are idiot's unfortunately you can have a big sign up telling them about it and they don't even LOOK at the damn thing half the time such is their lack of awareness of their own surroundings.

L1011 · 09-09-2018 3:30pm

Rashers72 wrote: »

While I would kind of agree, they really should have made some PA announcements, even if automated on repeat, especially Thurs, Friday and Sat.

Very significant onboard and in station announcements on the Maynooth line particularly in relation to specific trains with big time changes

Maynooth services are running to 4 today which means they're crossing all active paths. Really isn't gaining anything operationally

dublinman1990 · 09-09-2018 4:48pm

While everyone was looking at the new DART timetable last week; was that through the IE or TFI journey planner?

IE have the new timetable released in PDF format here if you haven't looked at it yet.

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/dart__commuter_-_090918.pdf.pdf

L1011 · 09-09-2018 8:09pm

I used the IR journey planner as everything was point to point. It is useless for suburban transfers as it is based off protecting intercity revenue and hence gives huge transfer times - TFI planner is needed for those.

IR planner will make you leave Maynooth about a quarter of an hour earlier to get to Eastpoint for 0900 than the TFI planner due to padded connection time - the connection in this case being 6 to 7 and requiring seconds, not the 8 minutes or so IR expect

Ireland trains · 09-09-2018 8:25pm

Gm228
Just wondering how you know about whats happening in the next timetable change.
what happened to the thread 'timetable change 9 December 2018'.

Ohmeha · 10-09-2018 8:08am

2 carriages less on my 8am howth southbound DART this morning along with a reduction in services

Colonel Claptrap · 10-09-2018 8:14am

Ohmeha wrote: »

2 carriages less on my 8am howth southbound DART this morning along with a reduction in services

Same with the southbound Malahide service. It's already packed.

Deviso · 10-09-2018 8:23am

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Same with the southbound Malahide service. It's already packed.

Malahide service is busy. I'm currently on the 8:16 from Clongriffin. But that's to do with colleges being back today. It was always going to be busier.

Ohmeha · 10-09-2018 8:28am

No room from killester onwards on my 8.00 southbound DART, they only have to wait 10 mins now for the next dangerously overcrowded DART to arrive. My DART is running at least five minutes beind schedule due to combination of delayed commuter arriving at howth junction and people running up the platform trying to squash themselves onto a carriage

As easily predicted irishrail have made a complete disaster of this schedule

gimli2112 · 10-09-2018 8:28am

Got down to the station at the normal time, next Dart 17 minutes away. It's a first world problem but a two track rail system isn't rocket science, is it?

L1011 · 10-09-2018 8:38am

0545 Sligo hugely late without explanation, but due to the ridiculous recovery time it's not going to be much late to Conolly. Almost came in to Maynooth at its old time

Irish Rail September Timetable Changes

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