Irish Rail September Timetable Changes

Jamie2k9

Looks like they are pressing ahead with in during the first half of 2018!

Iarnród Éireann plans a further and more significant timetable revision in the first half of 2018 to enhance DART frequency, off-peak Maynooth services and other changes, subject to a full public consultation process, and the approval of the National Transport Authority.

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/newtimetable2017

GM228

The original enhanced timetable which was due to come in on December 10th is pushed back to May 2018 - but it had no 10 minute DART services.

thomasj

GM228 wrote:

The original enhanced timetable which was due to come in on December 10th is pushed back to May 2018 - but it had no 10 minute DART services.

GM228 wrote:

The original enhanced timetable which was due to come in on December 10th is pushed back to May 2018 - but it had no 10 minute DART services.

What about the maynooth line?

The big issues there were always the off peak frequency along with last services especially Sunday .

loyatemu

I assume now that the pay dispute is sorted (have they voted on it yet?) they'll try and press ahead with the 10 minute Dart schedule.

GM228

thomasj wrote: »

What about the maynooth line?

The big issues there were always the off peak frequency along with last services especially Sunday .

There will be extra Maynooths from next May (assuming that date does not change again) with Saturday and Sunday becoming a half hourly service, and yes there will be late Sunday services, same as the rest of the week (23.08 to Maynooth and 23.10 ex Maynooth). Most Maynooth services which currently operate to/from Pearse will operate to/from GCD except those which could clash with PPT services.

GM228

loyatemu wrote: »

I assume now that the pay dispute is sorted (have they voted on it yet?) they'll try and press ahead with the 10 minute Dart schedule.

The pay dispute is not sorted yet.

thomasj

GM228 wrote:

There will be extra Maynooths from next May (assuming that date does not change again) with Saturday and Sunday becoming a half hourly service, and yes there will be late Sunday services, same as the rest of the week (23.08 to Maynooth and 23.10 ex Maynooth). Most Maynooth services which currently operate to/from Pearse will operate to/from GCD except those which could clash with PPT services.

You've made my week!

XPS_Zero

With every dart being late, this in reality means we'll finally get 15 minute dart frequency - yay!

lawred2

10 minute dart my hole. They can't keep to the existing schedule as it is.

Infini

Honestly I dont even see why they keep trying to push this 10min DART when they refuse to upgrade the physical infrastructure to be able to cope with it. This 10min service has been pushed forever but I wish they would honestly give up on it for the moment and focus on upgrades to the line itself.

Infini

GM228 wrote: »

There will be extra Maynooths from next May (assuming that date does not change again) with Saturday and Sunday becoming a half hourly service, and yes there will be late Sunday services, same as the rest of the week (23.08 to Maynooth and 23.10 ex Maynooth). Most Maynooth services which currently operate to/from Pearse will operate to/from GCD except those which could clash with PPT services.

Make's sense to use the turnback facility at GCD for Maynooth Line services when there's no Hazelhatch service there. Much easier for drivers to change ends and it doesnt block the running line as well.

GM228

10 minute DARTs back on track.

https://lovindublin.com/news/ten-minute-darts--introduced-later-this-year

While an agreement was reached through the Labour Court in April, the National Bus and Railworkers Union has said that agreements with drivers still have to be finalised before the service can be rolled out.

thomasj

What does the plan for all day ppt services for plans to terminate Maynooth trains in GCD?

GM228

thomasj wrote: »

What does the plan for all day ppt services for plans to terminate Maynooth trains in GCD?

The idea floated was that peak PPT will exclusively use GCD and peak Maynooth will continue to operate as now, and that off-peak PPT and Maynooth will share GCD.

thomasj

GM228 wrote:

The idea floated was that peak PPT will exclusively use GCD and peak Maynooth will continue to operate as now, and that off-peak PPT and Maynooth will share GCD.

That's great news makes perfect sense.

CFC007

Is there anything been done about extending the Hazel Hatch service to GCD. I thought this was the route mentioned in the section with Phoenix Park tunnel?

end of the road

CFC007 wrote: »

Is there anything been done about extending the Hazel Hatch service to GCD. I thought this was the route mentioned in the section with Phoenix Park tunnel?

i thought it already runs to gcd? is this not the case?

GM228

CFC007 wrote: »

Is there anything been done about extending the Hazel Hatch service to GCD. I thought this was the route mentioned in the section with Phoenix Park tunnel?

The GCD services already operate to/from Hazelhatch or Newbridge during peak times, since the start there has been aspirations to run all day and that is set to happen in the near future.

cgcsb

progress is to be welcomed I suppose. Just shocking that the NBRU is setting the policy and not the NTA. But sure the rapid advancement of driverless technology means the NBRU probably won't be around by the 2030s.

end of the road

cgcsb wrote: »

progress is to be welcomed I suppose. Just shocking that the NBRU is setting the policy and not the NTA. But sure the rapid advancement of driverless technology means the NBRU probably won't be around by the 2030s.

the NBRU will be around for decades to come. they are going nowhere. drivers aren't the only staff on the railway and even then they will be still in that cab long after 2030.

dublinbuster

cgcsb wrote: »

. Just shocking that the NBRU is setting the policy and not the NTA. But sure the rapid advancement of driverless technology means the NBRU probably won't be around by the 2030s.

surprise surprise SIPTU are more militant than NBRU
posters round here have got to lay of the anti union cool aid, they are clearly clueless

GM228

After many years of delays the long awaited 10 minute DART is to commence from September 9th*. Full 10 minute service is to operate between 7.00 and 20.00 weekdays.

*Subject to acceptance by drivers (which could be an issue due to talks taking place surrounding other issues).

thomasj

I see that Maynooth line services post 9th September have been taken down off the website. Will we see them changes too?

Working class heroes

GM228 wrote: »

After many years of delays the long awaited 10 minute DART is to commence from September 9th*. Full 10 minute service is to operate between 7.00 and 20.00 weekdays.

*Subject to acceptance by drivers (which could be an issue due to talks taking place surrounding other issues).

Would I be right in saying that other issues have been set aside to provide a dedicated day for the drivers at the WRC, next Wednesday?

GM228

thomasj wrote: »

I see that Maynooth line services post 9th September have been taken down off the website. Will we see them changes too?

Just some minor adjustments to allow the 10 minute DARTs, despite being just a few weeks away it is not yet finalised.

GM228

Working class heroes wrote: »

Would I be right in saying that other issues have been set aside to provide a dedicated day for the drivers at the WRC, next Wednesday?

There are a few issues being dealt with at the WRC and none relate directly to the 10 minute DART service, indirectly however they do.

Working class heroes

GM228 wrote: »

There are a few issues being dealt with at the WRC and none relate directly to the 10 minute DART service, indirectly however they do.

Gotcha!

Ireland trains

thomasj wrote: »

I see that Maynooth line services post 9th September have been taken down off the website. Will we see them changes too?

There was supposed to be a half hourly service to maynooth but i assume this has been deffered to December or cancelled

Jamie2k9

GM228 wrote: »

After many years of delays the long awaited 10 minute DART is to commence from September 9th*. Full 10 minute service is to operate between 7.00 and 20.00 weekdays.

*Subject to acceptance by drivers (which could be an issue due to talks taking place surrounding other issues).

Common sense prevails at least its a realistic 10 minute schedule. Hope its not just a temporary before full 10 min.

What could drivers possibly need to discuss now, it just never ends...

dublinman1990

That's great news that the 10 minute DART will be going ahead by then. Who is the source of that news & why does it only have to run from 7am to 8pm? I thought it could go longer than 8pm because demand could be still be steady at that hour of the night. There is a good few passengers who do use it currently after 8pm whenever I would use it from town sometimes. I could put the 10 minute DART from 7am to 10pm & then demand would drop off afterwards.

What will be the frequency after 8pm? Will it be every 20 minutes or what?

Also how many carriages will be in use for each DART train between 7am & 8pm?

Infini

I'd say it would be just every 15m after 8pm. Also to be fair the luas runs at 12~15m intervals late in the evenings during the week too.

Another thing is that this could be a testing the water's issue as well as I know there might be issue's with those level crossings on the south side for example as well as wondering if it will be realistic to maintain a 10m frequency with the commuter's thrown into the mix.

Ireland trains

Id say the commuter services to bray will be shortened to terminate at pearse.
This would also allow for more commuter services

GM228

Ireland trains wrote: »

There was supposed to be a half hourly service to maynooth but i assume this has been deffered to December or cancelled

Not cancelled, November or December has been mentioned, nothing concrete yet.

GM228

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Common sense prevails at least its a realistic 10 minute schedule. Hope its not just a temporary before full 10 min.

What could drivers possibly need to discuss now, it just never ends...

There is one issue currently under discussion directly relating to drivers (reduction of the working week), but several other issues also going through the WRC affecting all grades from last years pay deal.

GM228

dublinman1990 wrote: »

That's great news that the 10 minute DART will be going ahead by then. Who is the source of that news & why does it only have to run from 7am to 8pm?

I'm my own source

dublinman1990 wrote: »

I thought it could go longer than 8pm because demand could be still be steady at that hour of the night. There is a good few passengers who do use it currently after 8pm whenever I would use it from town sometimes. I could put the 10 minute DART from 7am to 10pm & then demand would drop off afterwards.

What will be the frequency after 8pm? Will it be every 20 minutes or what?

Frequency will be as it currently is after 20.00, there are aspirations to run a literal all day 10 minute service, but, one step at a time.

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Also how many carriages will be in use for each DART train between 7am & 8pm?

Sizes will vary (4, 6 and 8 carriages), the unions have raised this issue at the WRC and the company have indicated there will be slightly less 8 car trains, but more 6 car over 4 car trains - the NTA have allocated money to return some of the longer term out of service units to service.

GM228

Ireland trains wrote: »

Id say the commuter services to bray will be shortened to terminate at pearse.
This would also allow for more commuter services

No they are to stay as they currently are.

dublinman1990

I also remembered in my head that September 9th will be the formal launch day for the 175 with Go Ahead between UCD & Citywest. So between this launch of the 10 minute service for the DART & Go Ahead Ireland this day will be quite a big one for the start of public bus & rail services becoming evolved over time in Dublin.

Ireland trains

GM228 wrote: »

Sizes will vary (4, 6 and 8 carriages), the unions have raised this issue at the WRC and the company have indicated there will be slightly less 8 car trains, but more 6 car over 4 car trains - the NTA have allocated money to return some of the longer term out of service units to service.

Do you mean the 8200 returning to service and there is enough coaches to operate minimum 6 car trains.

Ireland trains

Irish rail have updated their journey planner and now the connolly intercity services are there.
Greystones to connolly now takes 58min to an hour.
Ridiculous

LeinsterDub

GM228 wrote: »

I'm my own source





Frequency will be as it currently is after 20.00, there are aspirations to run a literal all day 10 minute service, but, one step at a time.





Sizes will vary (4, 6 and 8 carriages), the unions have raised this issue at the WRC and the company have indicated there will be slightly less 8 car trains, but more 6 car over 4 car trains - the NTA have allocated money to return some of the longer term out of service units to service.

Can you clarify what exact issue the union raised?

LeinsterDub

Ireland trains wrote: »

Irish rail have updated their journey planner and now the connolly intercity services are there.
Greystones to connolly now takes 58min to an hour.
Ridiculous

With little to no passing loops what do you expect?

Cloudio9

Is there an updated timetable anywhere?

xper

I am curious to see if the (welcome) 10 minute schedule can be maintained considering "+5","+6","+7" appears extremely frequently on the Irish Rail app's Live Trains for any DART station on the second half of a train's timetable. Won't be surprised if the running times have been increased again to try and make it stick.

Would like to see an increase in weekend frequencies, especially Sunday, and especially at the outermost stations. An hour or more gap between trains in Greystones is totally unnecessary.

Hopefully 4-car DARTs are few and far in between - they'll cause delays at stations where half the waiting passengers are at the wrong end of a platform. Which does beg a question to those in the know hereabouts: why is it that current practice seems to be that DARTs pull up at the very end of the platform even if they're not 8-cars and the station entry point is toward the other end of the platform leaving a cohort of people scrambling to get to the end carriage? Dun Laoghaire northbound is particularly bad for this. I recall that there used to be platform markings and signs for different stoping points for each train length tailored for each platform. Why the change? Another sensible change, especially if we are going to actually have 4-, 6- and 8-car DARTS, would be for the platform displays to state the length of the next arriving train as is done on other systems.

Cloudio9

they stop at the same spot as the drivers use the screens on the platform to check the doors are clear.

devnull

Ireland trains wrote: »

Do you mean the 8200 returning to service and there is enough coaches to operate minimum 6 car trains.

Not all of the 8100 and 8500 class are being used at peak times, there can be half a dozen units that are free at peak time, some of which have been out of use for some time, that funding has been provided to return to service.

Last week I went past Clontarf Depot at peak time and I could see 16 cars sitting there in the sidings and that was excluding anything inside the depot itself.

ted1

GM228 wrote: »

After many years of delays the long awaited 10 minute DART is to commence from September 9th*. Full 10 minute service is to operate between 7.00 and 20.00 weekdays.

*Subject to acceptance by drivers (which could be an issue due to talks taking place surrounding other issues).

Be interesting to see the affect it as in Merrion gate and other such crossings

end of the road

Ireland trains wrote: »

Do you mean the 8200 returning to service and there is enough coaches to operate minimum 6 car trains.

the 8200s are unlikely to return now. it would take a hell of a lot of work to get them back in service, and even more work to make them reliable.

IamMetaldave

ted1 wrote: »

GM228 wrote: »

After many years of delays the long awaited 10 minute DART is to commence from September 9th*. Full 10 minute service is to operate between 7.00 and 20.00 weekdays.

*Subject to acceptance by drivers (which could be an issue due to talks taking place surrounding other issues).

Be interesting to see the affect it as in Merrion gate and other such crossings

That’s going to drive people mad! I had heard somewhere they were talking about some sort of fly over/under there.. NO idea how they would achieve that, however.

Cookie_Monster

IamMetaldave wrote: »

That’s going to drive people mad! I had heard somewhere they were talking about some sort of fly over/under there.. NO idea how they would achieve that, however.

They were thinking about but would have had to CPO some of the church car park IIRC so it got binned by NIMBY

The J Stands for Jay

After many years of delays, Irish Rail are now changing their timetable ls to incorporate the delays. My usual morning train will now leave five minutes earlier to get in at the same time.

L1011

Rebasing to reality has to be done sometimes.

One thing that may have a slight benefit in keeping to time on a more frequent schedule is that drivers shouldn't feel any need to wait for late passengers running down the platform