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Irish Rail September Timetable Changes

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Every timetable change leads to this kind of issue in pretty much any place I've seen one implemented, because people turn up for the old times on the first few days until they get used to the new times and then loading spreads around a bit.

    Judge it in a week or two, not the first day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    devnull wrote: »
    Every timetable change leads to this kind of issue in pretty much any place I've seen one implemented, because people turn up for the old times on the first few days until they get used to the new times and then loading spreads around a bit.

    Judge it in a week or two, not the first day.

    Completely agree.

    But I still think there's merit in sharing experiences today and watching how they trend over the next week or two.

    IE are reviewing the Portmarnock situation in 3 months. The more people who are vocal now, the better. People become ambivalent over time and stop caring about the timetable change after a few weeks. I think it's important to hold NTA and IE to account now, especially while people are late into work, sweaty from a crush and angry about a poorly executed timetable change.

    I see little point in sticking fingers in ears and saying come back to me in 2 weeks. Not suggesting you are saying this either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭PCros


    devnull wrote: »
    Every timetable change leads to this kind of issue in pretty much any place I've seen one implemented, because people turn up for the old times on the first few days until they get used to the new times and then loading spreads around a bit.

    Judge it in a week or two, not the first day.

    But why send a half length DART out at 7:51 into the city from Malahide? If that was a full length I'm fairly sure it would have been fine.

    Also this was advertised as a 25 min trip but it came in at 32 mins - that's going to hurt their stats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Completely agree.

    But I still think there's merit in sharing experiences today and watching how they trend over the next week or two.

    IE are reviewing the Portmarnock situation in 3 months. The more people who are vocal now, the better. People become ambivalent over time and stop caring about the timetable change after a few weeks. I think it's important yo hold NTA and IE to account now, especially while people are late into work, sweaty from a crush and angry about a poorly executed timetable change.

    I see little point in sticking fingers in ears and saying come back to me in 2 weeks. Not suggesting you are saying this either.

    well the demands on Portmarnock are only going in one direction... hundreds of new houses currently being constructed within walking distance of the station. Reducing peak time services now seems dunderheaded..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    PCros wrote: »
    But why send a half length DART out at 7:51 into the city from Malahide? If that was a full length I'm fairly sure it would have been fine.

    Also this was advertised as a 25 min trip but it came in at 32 mins - that's going to hurt their stats.

    the 814 from Portmarnock was about the same


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Cloudio9


    lawred2 wrote: »
    the 814 from Portmarnock was about the same

    834 also 6 mins slower than timetable in to Tara.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    PCros wrote: »

    Also this was advertised as a 25 min trip but it came in at 32 mins - that's going to hurt their stats.

    That has been classed as 'on time'. Only trains at 10+ are recorded as being late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,482 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    LEIN wrote: »
    That has been classed as 'on time'. Only trains at 10+ are recorded as being late.

    surely a more correct measure would be a ratio of the original scheduled duration :confused:

    sure 10 minutes late on a 24 minute service would be a service that took 41% longer than scheduled


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    LEIN wrote: »
    That has been classed as 'on time'. Only trains at 10+ are recorded as being late.

    It was 10mins late by the time it reached Pearse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,770 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Completely agree.

    But I still think there's merit in sharing experiences today and watching how they trend over the next week or two.

    IE are reviewing the Portmarnock situation in 3 months. The more people who are vocal now, the better. People become ambivalent over time and stop caring about the timetable change after a few weeks. I think it's important to hold NTA and IE to account now, especially while people are late into work, sweaty from a crush and angry about a poorly executed timetable change.

    I see little point in sticking fingers in ears and saying come back to me in 2 weeks. Not suggesting you are saying this either.

    All you need is under 800 signatures on a petition and make a good case to get a stop added....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    LEIN wrote: »
    That has been classed as 'on time'. Only trains at 10+ are recorded as being late.

    For DARTs, late trains are those that are more than 5 minutes late.

    Which seems excessively generous now, with the 10 minute frequency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    So let me get this straight.
    There are more people using the Dart on the Malahide line because the diesels don’t stop at Portmarnock and Howth Junction. And some darts are shorter.
    Apparently passengers have been left stranded on platrorms further up the line.

    Also there are less trains running from Howth in morning rush hour. And they are also reduced to half size!
    My short dart from Kilbarrack at 8:53 was jammed by Killester. A woman near me had to sit on the floor with her head down as she was feeling weak.
    People were running up the platform trying to get in a door that wasn't jammed.

    Have I missed anything else with this super duper improvement?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Decuc500 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight.
    There are more people using the Dart on the Malahide line because the diesels don’t stop at Portmarnock and Howth Junction. And some darts are shorter.
    Apparently passengers have been left stranded on platrorms further up the line.

    Also there are less trains running from Howth in morning rush hour. And they are also reduced to half size!
    My short dart from Kilbarrack at 8:53 was jammed by Killester. A woman near me had to sit on the floor with her head down as she was feeling weak.
    People were running up the platform trying to get in a door that wasn't jammed.

    Have I missed anything else with this super duper improvement?

    Every timetable change leads to this, because people turn up for the old times on the first few days until they get used to the new change and then loading spreads around a little bit.

    I was once on a DB route that was every 20 minutes that went to every 10 minutes during peak. For the first little while the 7.20am and 7.40am were packed and standing room only and the 7.30am was empty.

    After a week or so the load was much more evenly spread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,566 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Decuc500 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight.
    There are more people using the Dart on the Malahide line because the diesels don’t stop at Portmarnock and Howth Junction. And some darts are shorter.
    Apparently passengers have been left stranded on platrorms further up the line.

    Also there are less trains running from Howth in morning rush hour. And they are also reduced to half size!
    My short dart from Kilbarrack at 8:53 was jammed by Killester. A woman near me had to sit on the floor with her head down as she was feeling weak.
    People were running up the platform trying to get in a door that wasn't jammed.

    Have I missed anything else with this super duper improvement?

    Are you trying to make out that she felt weak due to crowding and/or timetable change?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Are you trying to make out that she felt weak due to crowding and/or timetable change?

    I'm suggesting that she felt weak because the train was jammed packed and very hot and this is due to the new timetable because the previous darts from Howth at this time weren't this full, so yeah, that's what I'm saying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Is the reduced to half size true? I suppose they have get some stock for the services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,546 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Decuc500 wrote: »
    So let me get this straight.
    There are more people using the Dart on the Malahide line because the diesels don’t stop at Portmarnock and Howth Junction. And some darts are shorter.
    Apparently passengers have been left stranded on platrorms further up the line.

    Also there are less trains running from Howth in morning rush hour. And they are also reduced to half size!
    My short dart from Kilbarrack at 8:53 was jammed by Killester. A woman near me had to sit on the floor with her head down as she was feeling weak.
    People were running up the platform trying to get in a door that wasn't jammed.

    Have I missed anything else with this super duper improvement?


    Wait, there are LESS trains running from howth with the new timetable? Should there not be more trains with the increase in frequency?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    devnull wrote: »
    Every timetable change leads to this, because people turn up for the old times on the first few days until they get used to the new change and then loading spreads around a little bit.

    I was once on a DB route that was every 20 minutes that went to every 10 minutes during peak. For the first little while the 7.20am and 7.40am were packed and standing room only and the 7.30am was empty.

    After a week or so the load was much more evenly spread.

    I'd like to think this would happen with the new timetable but it won't. 4 carriage darts in rush hour every 20 minutes from Howth will always be jammed.

    Anyway, what annoys me is we're being told more darts! Better frequency! The reality this morning was less darts! Less frequency! Shorter trains!

    Where exactly is the improvement? Oh yeah, 3:00pm in the afternoon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    Is the reduced to half size true? I suppose they have get some stock for the services.

    I spotted a few 4 car DARTs on the way this morning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,566 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Decuc500 wrote: »
    I'm suggesting that she felt weak because the train was jammed packed and very hot and this is due to the new timetable because the previous darts from Howth at this time weren't this full, so yeah, that's what I'm saying.

    But in truth you have no idea if she was ill beforehand.

    People who are likely to get weak in a packed train should not travel in rush hour in any major city.
    You can’t blame Irish Rail for everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    6 car train every 10 minutes is actually slightly more capacity than an 8 car every 15 mins. But certain trains will always be busier, particularly if they hit the CC around 9.

    realised this morning that there's now a 40 minute gap after the morning rush in Greystones (0924 - 1004) so there isn't even a clock-face timetable anymore, with trains at xx24 and xx54 during the rush hour and then changing to xx04/xx34 for the rest of the day. Great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    Wait, there are LESS trains running from howth with the new timetable? Should there not be more trains with the increase in frequency?

    The problem is that previously there were darts leaving Howth at frequencies of 17, 15, 11 minutes between 8am and 9am. The frequency has been reduced to every 20 minutes now. And it seems all these darts after 8 are all half sized as well.

    By any account it's a shocking reduction in service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,546 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Decuc500 wrote: »
    The problem is that previously there were darts leaving Howth at frequencies of 17, 15, 11 minutes between 8am and 9am. The frequency has been reduced to every 20 minutes now. And it seems all these darts after 8 are all half sized as well.

    By any account it's a shocking reduction in service.


    I suppose i should not be surprised that Irish Rail have managed to cock this up so badly. I've been using the dart for the last 2 weeks because my car was off the road. I was considering using the dart on a semi-regular basis going forward but now i'm not so sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭thomasj


    There was a howthbound DART as well that terminated in howth junction this morning due to it being 17 minutes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    murpho999 wrote: »
    But in truth you have no idea if she was ill beforehand.

    People who are likely to get weak in a packed train should not travel in rush hour in any major city.
    You can’t blame Irish Rail for everything.

    Well that's exactly what I'm doing. Last week this train wasn't packed. Now it's jammed to standing capacity. So IR caused this crush-like condition by reducing their rush hour service causing (and I am assuming here) this woman to sit on the floor with her head between her knees.

    Reality is people faint on darts when there are sardine like conditions. I've seen it a few times.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,936 ✭✭✭LEIN


    loyatemu wrote: »
    6 car train every 10 minutes is actually slightly more capacity than an 8 car every 15 mins. But certain trains will always be busier, particularly if they hit the CC around 9.

    realised this morning that there's now a 40 minute gap after the morning rush in Greystones (0924 - 1004) so there isn't even a clock-face timetable anymore, with trains at xx24 and xx54 during the rush hour and then changing to xx04/xx34 for the rest of the day. Great.

    The problem is, they can't run a 6 car DART every 10 due to compatibility of original v newer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    LEIN wrote: »
    The problem is, they can't run a 6 car DART every 10 due to compatibility of original v newer.

    yes you're right. The train I got this morning was a 6-car LHB set, so I guess they can run the old ones as 6 car and the newer ones as 4 and 8.


  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭XPS_Zero


    murpho999 wrote: »
    But in truth you have no idea if she was ill beforehand.

    People who are likely to get weak in a packed train should not travel in rush hour in any major city.
    You can’t blame Irish Rail for everything.

    I have to say I'm greatly amused and mildly irritated at the naivety of this notion, and that people think it's common sense. You've maybe not been seriously ill and had to go to hospital appointments early in the day. This is why I roll my eyes at the whole "void the FT passes during rush hour again" argument, because, as I pointed out many a time before, when you are seriously ill or have an ongoing disability you have lots of hospital appointments to go to, and the consultant appointments and blood banks tend to be bunched in the early morning 'get in by 8am and your theoretical appointment is 8:15 but it's really 10' kinda thing.
    I often wonder how those of us on social welfare simultainiously fake our disabilities and lay in bed until 1pm then watch Gerry Springer until 5 before going down to get a few cans manage to simultaneously clog up rush hour PT :p maybe peoples stereotypes are contradicting each other? :D

    I get that if you are already feeling faint getting onto a crushed DART is a bad idea, but lets face it most people don't really have a choice. Tune into daytime radio and you'll hear endless whinging and moaning about people abusing their sick days and sick pay schemes and how they should just "pull the finger out" and get back into work. Plus imagine telling your boss "i felt faint so I waited for the next DART, that's why I'm late". I imagine even a sympathetic boss would start your HR countdown clock (the whole written warning, verbal warning dance before you eventually get canned).




    As to the overall scheme, I was mildly cynical when I saw that nothing, not even a new timetable, will stop the Rosslare train making my DART late :D it's almost reassuring! I am willing to wait until it's ironed out though, I think the introduction to this information wise was VERY poor, it was heavily advertised as coming in AGES ago but people in Ireland tend to treat such announcements as "oh yeh sure...and after I get my 10 minute dart I'll change to DART underground at the Stephens Green underground station then hop on a Metro before finally getting my BRT home....". The public has become VERY cynical about such announcements, rightly so. So lets see what happens as people become more aware, as the information rollout in the last few weeks on this was terrible.


    My own Malahide bound dart had to dodge onto the loopline to let the Enterprise overtake us and let a freight train come through, but it was a very breif pause, the kind of minor hiccup you'd expect with a new timetable.

    I think maybe we should avoid lighting our hair on fire and give it a chance to work.

    Many of us don't have cars, and really have no choice but to use PT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,229 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    Got down to the station at the normal time, next Dart 17 minutes away. It's a first world problem but a two track rail system isn't rocket science, is it?

    when there is effectively no redundantsy or flexibility (few passing loops etc) then unfortunately it is a bit of a struggle to manage. in saying that irish rail can do better then they are.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,229 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Wait, there are LESS trains running from howth with the new timetable?

    yes
    Should there not be more trains with the increase in frequency?

    no as the 10 minute frequency is in the cor only (bray to howth junction) . the trains are divided between howth and mallahide on a 20 minute frequency.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Decuc500 wrote: »
    The problem is that previously there were darts leaving Howth at frequencies of 17, 15, 11 minutes between 8am and 9am. The frequency has been reduced to every 20 minutes now. And it seems all these darts after 8 are all half sized as well.

    By any account it's a shocking reduction in service.

    8am 8 30 845 but then 9:15 was as I recall the old timetable from howth. Now it’s 8, 8:20, 8:41, 9.

    However if they are smaller could be a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,229 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I suppose i should not be surprised that Irish Rail have managed to cock this up so badly. I've been using the dart for the last 2 weeks because my car was off the road. I was considering using the dart on a semi-regular basis going forward but now i'm not so sure.


    to be fair it's the NTA this time. irish rail apparently did not want this new timetable because they knew that it would ultimately lead to where we are now. NTA went ahead anyway and told them to implement it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭thomasj


    to be fair it's the NTA this time. irish rail apparently did not want this new timetable because they knew that it would ultimately lead to where we are now. NTA went ahead anyway and told them to implement it.

    According to Irish rail on twitter this morning, their operations department planned it and the NTA agreed it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,819 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    XPS_Zero wrote: »
    I have to say I'm greatly amused and mildly irritated at the naivety of this notion, and that people think it's common sense. You've maybe not been seriously ill and had to go to hospital appointments early in the day. This is why I roll my eyes at the whole "void the FT passes during rush hour again" argument, because, as I pointed out many a time before, when you are seriously ill or have an ongoing disability you have lots of hospital appointments to go to, and the consultant appointments and blood banks tend to be bunched in the early morning 'get in by 8am and your theoretical appointment is 8:15 but it's really 10' kinda thing.
    I often wonder how those of us on social welfare simultainiously fake our disabilities and lay in bed until 1pm then watch Gerry Springer until 5 before going down to get a few cans manage to simultaneously clog up rush hour PT :p maybe peoples stereotypes are contradicting each other? :D

    I get that if you are already feeling faint getting onto a crushed DART is a bad idea, but lets face it most people don't really have a choice. Tune into daytime radio and you'll hear endless whinging and moaning about people abusing their sick days and sick pay schemes and how they should just "pull the finger out" and get back into work. Plus imagine telling your boss "i felt faint so I waited for the next DART, that's why I'm late". I imagine even a sympathetic boss would start your HR countdown clock (the whole written warning, verbal warning dance before you eventually get canned).




    As to the overall scheme, I was mildly cynical when I saw that nothing, not even a new timetable, will stop the Rosslare train making my DART late :D it's almost reassuring! I am willing to wait until it's ironed out though, I think the introduction to this information wise was VERY poor, it was heavily advertised as coming in AGES ago but people in Ireland tend to treat such announcements as "oh yeh sure...and after I get my 10 minute dart I'll change to DART underground at the Stephens Green underground station then hop on a Metro before finally getting my BRT home....". The public has become VERY cynical about such announcements, rightly so. So lets see what happens as people become more aware, as the information rollout in the last few weeks on this was terrible.


    My own Malahide bound dart had to dodge onto the loopline to let the Enterprise overtake us and let a freight train come through, but it was a very breif pause, the kind of minor hiccup you'd expect with a new timetable.

    I think maybe we should avoid lighting our hair on fire and give it a chance to work.

    Many of us don't have cars, and really have no choice but to use PT.

    And the DART is still delaying the rosslare service...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭thomasj


    It's just as bad on the Maynooth line. The morning service from Maynooth to bray (according to last year's census the busiest commuter service on the network) now runs after the early bird from Sligo .

    The Sligo earlybird has a reputation of being late constantly and this morning was no different , it was delayed by 20-30 minutes. Still they kept the Maynooth bray train in Maynooth until the Sligo earlybird had left.


  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭XPS_Zero


    McGaggs wrote: »
    And the DART is still delaying the rosslare service...

    So were mutually screwing each other? Lovely....

    Maybe it really is time to halt it and do the interchange at Greystones or BRay (braces for punchs...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    8am 8 30 845 but then 9:15 was as I recall the old timetable from howth. Now it’s 8, 8:20, 8:41, 9.

    However if they are smaller could be a problem.

    From my own experience this morning and reading twitter I think all trains from Howth after 8 o'clock were 4 carriages long. I presume it will be the same this evening as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,229 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    thomasj wrote: »
    According to Irish rail on twitter this morning, their operations department planned it and the NTA agreed it.

    the 10 minute dart was the NTA's idea in the first place though. or at least that is what i understand.
    XPS_Zero wrote: »
    So were mutually screwing each other? Lovely....
    Maybe it really is time to halt it and do the interchange at Greystones or BRay (braces for punchs...)

    no, you aren't being screwed at all. the second part of your post suggests that you want to hugely screw others for nothing though. even though you can leave a tad earlier and get a train a few minutes earlier.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭XPS_Zero


    the 10 minute dart was the NTA's idea in the first place though. or at least that is what i understand.



    no, you aren't being screwed at all. the second part of your post suggests that you want to hugely screw others for nothing though. even though you can leave a tad earlier and get a train a few minutes earlier.

    I don't want to screw others, there is a problem, where two services interfere with each other, it's simply my opinion that if the two were seperated this problem would be eliminated and it would allow for more services south of Bray in return for a delay for Rosslare customers of less than 10 minutes (which is the time difference between getting the train from Connoly to Bray v the DART I've tried it several dozen times now and each time with only one exception, by the time I get to Bray to do my turn around back to Killiney the DART i would have gotten behind it arrives in Bray first).


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    thomasj wrote: »
    It's just as bad on the Maynooth line. The morning service from Maynooth to bray (according to last year's census the busiest commuter service on the network) now runs after the early bird from Sligo .

    The Sligo earlybird has a reputation of being late constantly and this morning was no different , it was delayed by 20-30 minutes. Still they kept the Maynooth bray train in Maynooth until the Sligo earlybird had left.

    Not an accurate statement. It was delayed by no more than ten minutes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Not an accurate statement. It was delayed by no more than ten minutes.

    My sister told me 20 minutes and there were twitter reports that with 12 minutes gone the train still hadn't left


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,701 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Not an accurate statement. It was delayed by no more than ten minutes.

    It was 3 minutes late on arrival to Connolly. However, it has ridiculous amounts of recovery time built in (45 mins for a service that can be done in 30) and was significantly more than 10 minutes late arriving at Maynooth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭thomasj




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    There was talk of some kind of industrial action if the timetable went ahead a few pages back, I suspect that may well be the cause of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    devnull wrote: »
    There was talk of some kind of industrial action if the timetable went ahead a few pages back, I suspect that may well be the cause of it.

    Or they just either don't have drivers / Trains arent available as well. Too early to say what it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,229 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Infini wrote: »
    Or they just either don't have drivers / Trains arent available as well. Too early to say what it is.


    that's the most likely reason tbh. if it was any kind of industrial action then more would be effected surely?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    thomasj wrote: »
    My sister told me 20 minutes and there were twitter reports that with 12 minutes gone the train still hadn't left

    12<>20

    20-12=8

    I was on the train.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭PCros


    They are all over the shop - this is embarrassing for a national rail service.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    that's the most likely reason tbh. if it was any kind of industrial action then more would be effected surely?

    Not if it's an unofficial action.


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    CatInABox wrote: »
    Not if it's an unofficial action.

    There's been talk about some staff having a few issues the last few days, don't take my word for it, GM228 has been saying pretty much the same thing and said it's possible that it will happen.


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