Tesla/Lithium stocks discussion

b4bmm wrote: »

Hopefully some of you guys got onboard with PLS and TAW.
PLS up well over 100% since I tipped it here and TAW 60% or so.
Both have lots more to go over the next couple years.

OwlsZat wrote: »

Firstly, not sure about the bundling of Lithium stocks and Tesla discussion. Couldn't be more different. Let's bundle semi conductors and Apple next....
Alas, lots of discussion on Lithium prospecting, anyone tracking any good Cobalt stocks?

beertons wrote: »

Jaysus, 30K @.38

Well jealous.

Bradley Fat Warlock wrote: »

I'll happily take that $30k in PLS for 0.38 off your hands if you didn't at the time. I'm good like that.

Sabre Man wrote: »

One thing that's brilliant with the Semi is the centered driver position, which presumably means that there is no need for separate LHD and RHD versions.

lucky john wrote: »

We are a bit away from no driver yet but it's one step closer. .....

lucky john wrote: »

I'm sure they will but should they have to? From what they say M3 production is slow because of bottle necks, mainly in battery production. However the bulk of the hardware seems to be in place so the heavy lifting on the Capex should be done. If they can just clear the production hell bit they are home and dry. Tesla can produce 500,000 cars without even 1 going to a forecourt.
Elon needs to focus. Forget girl friend troubles and trucks and all the other distractions for a little while. Get the M3 out the door and collect billions. If he fails to do that over the next few months he risks derailing everything.

OwlsZat wrote: »

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/23/16693848/elon-musk-worlds-biggest-battery-100-days
This is the story I'd like to hear more about. The car's manufacturing may or may not work. They seem to hold some valuable battery patents and know how. Wouldn't surprise me if this is where they make their real money.

Tesla cars riddled with defects straight off assembly line, former workers say, in push for speed over quality

Quality checks have routinely revealed defects in more than 90% of Model S and Model X vehicles inspected after assembly, former employees say

SAN FRANCISCO — After Tesla‘s Model S sedans and Model X SUVs roll off the company’s Fremont, California assembly line, the electric vehicles usually make another stop — for repairs, nine current and former employees have told Reuters.

The luxury cars regularly require fixes before they can leave the factory, according to the workers. Quality checks have routinely revealed defects in more than 90 per cent of Model S and Model X vehicles inspected after assembly, these individuals said, citing figures from Tesla’s internal tracking system as recently as October. Some of these people told Reuters of seeing problems as far back as 2012.

Tesla Inc said its quality control process is unusually rigorous, designed to flag and correct the tiniest imperfections. It declined to provide post-assembly defect rates to Reuters or comment on those cited by employees.

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The world’s most efficient automakers, such as Toyota, average post-manufacturing fixes on fewer than 10 per cent of their cars, according to industry experts. Getting quality right during initial assembly is crucial, they said, because repairs waste time and money.

At Tesla “so much goes into rework after the car is done … that’s where their money is being spent,” a former Tesla supervisor said.

The Silicon Valley automaker said the majority of its post-assembly defects are minor and resolved in a matter of minutes.



Tesla has enthralled consumers with sleek designs, clean technology and legendary acceleration on its pricey cars. A Consumer Reports survey found 91 per cent of Tesla owners would buy again.


Still, the magazine and market researcher J.D. Power have dinged the company on quality, citing troubles such as faulty door handles and body panel gaps. Bernstein analyst A.M. (Toni) Sacconaghi, Jr. test-drove one of the company’s new Model 3 sedans earlier this month, writing that the fit and finish were “relatively poor.” Tesla owners have complained on web forums of annoying rattles, buggy software and poor seals that allow rainwater to seep into the interior or trunk.

We (have) been building a Model S since 2012. How do we still have water leaks?



Auto industry experts say the company’s survival now depends on its ability to crank out high-quality cars in volume as it begins to build its first mass-market car, the Model 3, which starts at US$35,000.

Tesla has never turned an annual profit and is burning through US$1 billion a quarter. That is unsustainable without fresh cash or a big increase in sales to mainstream customers who may prove less forgiving of potential defects.

“We’ve never doubted Tesla’s ability to make exciting products with top specifications, but there’s a difference between unveiling something and then actually making it perfectly in large volume. Tesla has not perfected the latter yet,” Morningstar analyst David Whiston wrote earlier this month.

Musk has vowed Tesla would become “the best manufacturer on Earth,” helped by a new, highly automated assembly line and a simpler design for the Model 3. However, production woes have slowed deliveries of the much-anticipated sedan.


A Tesla Model S electric car. Handout, Tesla
Snags are normal with any new launch. But chronic defects with Tesla’s established Models S and X show a company still struggling to master basic manufacturing, workers said.

Known as “kickbacks” within Tesla, these vehicles have glitches as minor as dents and scratches to more complex troubles such as malfunctioning seats. Easy fixes are made swiftly on the factory floor, workers said.

Trickier cases head to one of Tesla’s outdoor parking lots to await repair. The backlog in one of those two lots, dubbed the “yard,” has exceeded 2,000 vehicles at times, workers told Reuters.

Tesla denied to Reuters that such “repair lots” exist.

Reuters interviewed nine current and former Tesla employees, including a former senior manager, with experience in assembly, quality control and repairs on Model S and Model X. All requested anonymity because the company required them to sign non-disclosure agreements. Four of the people were fired for cause, including two last month as part of a mass dismissal of hundreds of workers for what Tesla said was poor performance. Sacked workers who spoke with Reuters denied they were poor performers.

People with knowledge of Tesla’s internal quality data shared those figures with Reuters. The news agency was unable to confirm the information independently.

Defects included “doors not closing, material trim, missing parts, all kinds of stuff. Loose objects, water leaks, you name it,” another former supervisor said. “We’ve been building a Model S since 2012. How do we still have water leaks?”

BUILD FAST, FIX LATER

Tesla disputed workers’ portrayal of the automaker as struggling to produce defect-free vehicles. A spokesperson described a rigorous process that requires all cars to pass more than 500 inspections and tests. Any reworking of cars after assembly reflects the company’s commitment to quality, the spokesperson said.

“Our goal is to produce perfect cars for every customer,” Tesla said in a statement. “Therefore, we review every vehicle for even the smallest refinement. Most customers would never notice the work that is done post production, but we care about even a fraction of a millimeter body gap difference or a slight paint gloss texture. We then feed these improvements back to production in a pursuit of perfection.”

Employees who worked on Model S and Model X described pressure to keep the assembly line moving, even when problems emerged. Some told of batches of cars being sent through with parts missing — windshields in one case, bumpers in another — because there were none on hand. The understanding, they said, was that these and other flaws would be fixed later.

Quality inspectors would sometimes find more defects than those reported by workers in the internal tracking system when a car came off the line. “We’d see two issues, that’s pretty good. But then we’d dig in and there would be like 15 or 20,” one person said.

One persistently tricky area was alignment, where body parts had to be “muscled,” in the words of the senior manager, to a certain degree of flushness. Not every team follows the same rule book, workers said, resulting in gaps of different size.

Tesla denied that its quality control is inconsistent and said its “extensive” process for locating and fixing errors was “very successful.”

Some workers traced the challenges to Musk’s determination to launch vehicles faster than the industry norm by shortening the design process, skipping some pre-production testing, then making improvements on the fly. Such improvisation leads to high repair rates, employees said.

For a March report called “Beyond the Hype,” J.D. Power found creaks, scratches and poor door alignment on new Model S and Model X vehicles, issues it blamed on the company’s lack of manufacturing experience. The overall quality of Tesla vehicles, it concluded, was “not competitive” within the luxury segment, lacking “precision and attention to detail.”

Such sloppiness is a rarity in luxury brands such as Mercedes-Benz and BMW, said Kathleen Rizk, director of global automotive consulting at J.D. Power.

“Those companies have been manufacturing forever,” she said. “They have stopgaps.”

Tesla said its high customer satisfaction proves it is building the “safest and best-performing cars available today.”

© Thomson Reuters 2017