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Loves_lorries · 14-09-2018 9:21am

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Heads up boys and girls, the pox Connors on the LLS tonight talking social housing.

I'm sure Tubs will give him a rough go over the glorifying theft and vandalism at Lidl this year.

I also believe in fairies.

Connors is a darling of the media.

The most offensive thing Connors has ever said was how the perception amongst the public in relation to traveller's was due to media reporting.

The media play down traveller crime and completely avoid discussing dysfunctionality inherent to traveller culture and how it harms traveller women especially.

Connors is nothing but a professional grievance monger, were he not a traveller, he would never have gotten a tenth of the profile he has.

His views on social housing or politics are as welcome as Gemma dohertys and about as reality based.

Kivaro · 14-09-2018 9:25am

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Connors is nothing but a professional grievance monger, were he not a traveller, he would never have gotten a tenth of the profile he has.

Love that expression.
Seems to describe people who are members or supporters of parties like the AAA or PBP.

Loves_lorries · 14-09-2018 9:26am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Of course. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it. The community has enormous social problems, which are well documented, and they also face huge discrimination.

I'm not sure which came first, it's probably only academic, by now.

But something has to give, and i don't foresee the situation being resolved without both travellers and the settled community changing their ways.

Travellers face discrimination in the same way a kinehan member would if they lived in an area, the discrimination follows the bad behaviour.

PlaneSpeeking · 14-09-2018 9:30am

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Travellers face discrimination in the same way a kinehan member would if they lived in an area, the discrimination follows the bad behaviour.

A mate put it more succinctly than I could:

"Travellers are discriminated against in the same way pit bulls are.

Yeah some might seem to be okay but generally the mistrust is deserved by reputation and you wouldn't trust one ever."

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 9:34am

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

A mate put it more succinctly than I could:

"Travellers are discriminated against in the same way pit bulls are.

Yeah some might seem to be okay but generally the mistrust is deserved by reputation and you wouldn't trust one ever."

I'd trust a foamy-mouthed pitbull that was snarling at me first.

PlaneSpeeking · 14-09-2018 9:53am

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I'd trust a foamy-mouthed pitbull that was snarling at me first.

All the live long day!

McGrath5 · 14-09-2018 9:55am

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Heads up boys and girls, the pox Connors on the LLS tonight talking social housing.

I'm sure Tubs will give him a rough go over the glorifying theft and vandalism at Lidl this year.

I also believe in fairies.

Oh dear, I thought the earth had swallowed that fella up, no way could I sit through that.

As an aside, can RTE seriously not have someone of a higher caliber to interview on what is only the second episode of the LLS this season.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 14-09-2018 10:27am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Of course. But it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it. The community has enormous social problems, which are well documented, and they also face huge discrimination.

I'm not sure which came first, it's probably only academic, by now.

But something has to give, and i don't foresee the situation being resolved without both travellers and the settled community changing their ways.

Over the past 25 years, Ireland has become one of the most multicultural countries in Europe, welcoming immigrants from all over the world. In an EU-wide poll in 2007, 84 percent of Irish said that having contact with different cultures enriched their lives, the highest figure of all 27 countries polled. Ireland has notably avoided the kinds of anti-immigration, nationalist sentiment seen in other countries ranging from Austria to Sweden to the UK.

Ireland in recent years has also embraced its homosexual population, becoming the first country in the world to approve same-sex marriage by popular referendum. We are one of the few countries in the world to have an openly gay head of government, who enjoys an approval rating that is by far the highest among party leaders.

But mysteriously, in a country otherwise willing to embrace people of every ethnicity, religion, or sexuality, there exists this rampant discrimination against travellers.

Why do you think this is?

Again, I'd come back to travellers' abysmal track record in Irish society. They make up just 0.6 percent of the Irish population, but account for 10 percent of male prisoners in the country and an astonishing 22 percent of female prisoners. In Castlerea Prison, more than 50 percent of the inmates are travellers.

Travellers are constantly in the courts and in the news for feuding, property damage, animal cruelty, tax evasion, and petty criminality of all sorts. Last year, four travellers were up in court accused of gunning down their uncle in front of his wife and grandchildren as they attended a family wedding. They have an extremely poor reputation as a consequence of their antics, and people are justifiably suspicious and hostile when they see them coming. Yet, they seem to make no effort to change. Even today, just 8 percent of traveller children sit the Leaving Cert. Fewer than 1 percent of travellers have third-level qualifications, and many young travellers are married off to first or second cousins while still in their teens -- so no surprise that many of them wind up as unemployable welfare dependents such as Margaret Cash.

Crying discrimination, as academics and traveller advocacy groups have done for decades, is only part of the picture. When travellers start to obey the law, educate their children to upper secondary and third level, get jobs, pay taxes, and stop seeing settled people as a resource to be exploited for their own ends, I'm quite sure the "discrimination" will cease. Until then, people have legitimate reasons to be suspicious and hostile.

Iwouldinmesack · 14-09-2018 10:27am

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Travellers face discrimination in the same way a kinehan member would if they lived in an area, the discrimination follows the bad behaviour.

Try being a member of another minority community in this country that is generally law abiding yet we dont get as much assistance compared to what travellers get. We until recently were not afforded the right to even get an education through the medium of our language, Irish Sign Language, instead being educated in a spoken language. No one makes an attempt to learn our language and everyone expects us to understand a language we cant hear.

Hence the high English literacy issues in the community, as our language is visual and completely different. Our language has been recognised recently as a native language of Ireland under the ISL Act 2017, which was long overdue and which is supposed to give us greater rights, basic rights which are enjoyed by hearing people anyway. ISL was banned from use in the 1950s upwards due to concepts of normalisation and oralism being introduced with Deaf people being punished if they were caught signing. Deaf men and women were also segretated.

There are still very low educational and employment prospects in the Deaf community. Deaf people are poorly represented in third level education due to lack of access to content in our language and for the majority, if they gain employment, work in poorly paid jobs. Because of this, many live in poverty. Not only that, recent estimates state that as many as 1 in 2 suffered from physical or sexual abuse in childhood. The list goes on.

Id love for us to get the opportunities that the government not only offers to the travelling community but also offers to the majority of its citizens. Noone really knows about our issues and how we were and how we continue to be treated like second class citizens.

BattleCorp · 14-09-2018 10:32am

McGrath5 wrote: »

Oh dear, I thought the earth had swallowed that fella up, no way could I sit through that.

As an aside, can RTE seriously not have someone of a higher caliber to interview on what is only the second episode of the LLS this season.

Don't worry, they'll also wheel out some RTE 'personality' that happens to be in the canteen at the time. They'll also have someone on who has cancer. Prime time entertainment folks.

arctictree · 14-09-2018 10:32am

I'm a farmer and years ago travellers used to do odd jobs for farmers around here. Doesn't happen anymore for a number of reasons:

1) All payments to staff and contractors need to be recorded and either put in the PAYE system or receipted for. A traveller would not accept work under those conditions.

2) With all the expensive equipment we have around, we just couldn't take the risk. Even though you might trust the lad working for you, it's his friends and family you need to be worried about. He could easily let slip what you have and where it is.

It's very sad really but this is the situation we are in.

PlaneSpeeking · 14-09-2018 10:34am

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

Try being a member of another minority community in this country that is generally law abiding yet we dont get as much assistance compared to what travellers get. We until recently couldnt even get an education through the medium of our language, Irish Sign Language, instead being educated in a spoken language, which we cannot hear and are expected to understand. And this is still the case as it will take time for changes to be made. Hence high English literacy issues in the community, as our language is visual and completely different. Our language was recognised recently as a native language of Ireland, giving us greater rights yet was banned from use in the 1950s upwards due to normalisation and oralism.Deaf men and women were also segretated and banned from seeing each other as children, many not meeting till they were adults when free of the influence of the church. This segretation was in place until 1986 i believe. One of the factors for this was it was believed if Deaf people procreated, their children would be deaf. This is untrue as 90pc of deaf are born to hearing parents. There are low educational and employment prospects in the community, with many living in poverty. Not only this, it is estimated as many as 1 in 2 suffered sexual abuse in childhood.The list goes on. Id love for us to get the opportunities the government offers to the travelling community.

There's practically a full ride scholarship in my College offered to Travellers - rarely taken up except to bleed the Hardship Fund dry.

We had to go cap in hand to a charity to get assistive tech for a deaf student. Go figure.

PlaneSpeeking · 14-09-2018 10:37am

BattleCorp wrote: »

Don't worry, they'll also wheel out some RTE 'personality' that happens to be in the canteen at the time. They'll also have someone on who has cancer. Prime time entertainment folks.

Pat Shortt is on also - with someone called Stefanie Preissner ? Isn't she the formerly fat one of some alleged "comedy" ???

Oh and some random Dub footballer plugging his no doubt ****e memoir.

Lucifer S2 catch up for me I thinks.

Iwouldinmesack · 14-09-2018 10:44am

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

There's practically a full ride scholarship in my College offered to Travellers - rarely taken up except to bleed the Hardship Fund dry.

We had to go cap in hand to a charity to get assistive tech for a deaf student. Go figure.

Imagine being Deaf, not just deaf. Two very different things. Cant even get access to a full education let alone assistive technology.

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 11:15am

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Over the past 25 years, Ireland has become one of the most multicultural countries in Europe, welcoming immigrants from all over the world. In an EU-wide poll in 2007, 84 percent of Irish said that having contact with different cultures enriched their lives, the highest figure of all 27 countries polled. Ireland has notably avoided the kinds of anti-immigration, nationalist sentiment seen in other countries ranging from Austria to Sweden to the UK.

Ireland in recent years has also embraced its homosexual population, becoming the first country in the world to approve same-sex marriage by popular referendum. We are one of the few countries in the world to have an openly gay head of government, who enjoys an approval rating that is by far the highest among party leaders.

But mysteriously, in a country otherwise willing to embrace people of every ethnicity, religion, or sexuality, there exists this rampant discrimination against travellers.

Why do you think this is?

Again, I'd come back to travellers' abysmal track record in Irish society. They make up just 0.6 percent of the Irish population, but account for 10 percent of male prisoners in the country and an astonishing 22 percent of female prisoners. In Castlerea Prison, more than 50 percent of the inmates are travellers.

Travellers are constantly in the courts and in the news for feuding, property damage, animal cruelty, tax evasion, and petty criminality of all sorts. Last year, four travellers were up in court accused of gunning down their uncle in front of his wife and grandchildren as they attended a family wedding. They have an extremely poor reputation as a consequence of their antics, and people are justifiably suspicious and hostile when they see them coming. Yet, they seem to make no effort to change. Even today, just 8 percent of traveller children sit the Leaving Cert. Fewer than 1 percent of travellers have third-level qualifications, and many young travellers are married off to first or second cousins while still in their teens -- so no surprise that many of them wind up as unemployable welfare dependents such as Margaret Cash.

Crying discrimination, as academics and traveller advocacy groups have done for decades, is only part of the picture. When travellers start to obey the law, educate their children to upper secondary and third level, get jobs, pay taxes, and stop seeing settled people as a resource to be exploited for their own ends, I'm quite sure the "discrimination" will cease. Until then, people have legitimate reasons to be suspicious and hostile.

Very well put. When I grow up I want to be as concise as you.

PlaneSpeeking · 14-09-2018 11:26am

Iwouldinmesack wrote: »

Imagine being Deaf, not just deaf. Two very different things. Cant even get access to a full education let alone assistive technology.

Horrific.

Gimme A Pound · 14-09-2018 11:32am

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Heads up boys and girls, the pox Connors on the LLS tonight talking social housing.

I'm sure Tubs will give him a rough go over the glorifying theft and vandalism at Lidl this year.

I also believe in fairies.

Loathsome man. That Lidl tweet was a disgrace. Worse again were the swarm of gimps who rushed to like it (No doubt mostly middle class dwellers of nice crime-free areas who will never have to endure anti social behaviour).

Lollipops23 · 14-09-2018 11:36am

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Loathsome man. That Lidl tweet was a disgrace. Worse again were the swarm of gimps who rushed to like it (No doubt mostly middle class dwellers of nice crime-free areas who will never have to endure anti social behaviour).

He's a scumbag. Only word for it. Those people weren't "trying to feed their families", unless their kids subsist on massive tubs of Haribo.

PlaneSpeeking · 14-09-2018 11:39am

Lollipops23 wrote: »

He's a scumbag. Only word for it. Those people weren't "trying to feed their families", unless their kids subsist on massive tubs of Haribo.

TBH they may well feel that is nutritional!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 14-09-2018 11:55am

It's in the news currently that students heading back to college are paying up to €1,100 a month for shared accommodation in Dublin.

Yet another bill for hard-pressed families trying to educate their children so that they can get jobs.

Meanwhile, people like Ms Cash, who openly thumb their noses at education and work, expect to be housed for free in the same city.

You really couldn't make this up.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 14-09-2018 12:15pm

Many rural students just can't afford accommodation in Dublin. Even if they have the CAO points to get into an excellent course in Trinity or UCD, they may have to settle instead for going to an IT close to home to keep the costs down. Imagine having to tell your smart, capable teenager that they won't be able to do their dream course in UCD because you just can't afford Dublin rents. Maybe they can find a decent course in Sligo IT instead.

More and more students are working throughout the college term to make ends meet, and almost a quarter of working students say they are skipping lectures to do so.

These students are those who want to contribute to society by becoming future workers and taxpayers -- and yet the rental crisis is getting in the way of their aspirations and educations.

But for people like Ms. Cash, the rental crisis doesn't exist. She expects a house for free in an area of her choosing, paid for by the same taxpayers who can't afford accommodation in Dublin for their own kids.

It's really become a joke.

Gimme A Pound · 14-09-2018 12:28pm

Judson Calm Remote wrote: »

Many rural students just can't afford accommodation in Dublin. Even if they have the CAO points to get into an excellent course in Trinity or UCD, they may have to settle instead for going to an IT close to home to keep the costs down. Imagine having to tell your smart, capable teenager that they won't be able to do their dream course in UCD because you just can't afford Dublin rents. Maybe they can find a decent course in Sligo IT instead.

More and more students are working throughout the college term to make ends meet, and almost a quarter of working students say they are skipping lectures to do so.

These students are those who want to contribute to society by becoming future workers and taxpayers -- and yet the rental crisis is getting in the way of their aspirations and educations.

But for people like Ms. Cash, the rental crisis doesn't exist. She expects a house for free in an area of her choosing, paid for by the same taxpayers who can't afford accommodation in Dublin for their own kids.

It's really become a joke.

Depressing and infuriating.

I used to be such a raging leftie (morto!) - thank feck i woke up.

Wheeliebin30 · 14-09-2018 12:34pm

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Depressing and infuriating.

I used to be such a raging leftie (morto!) - thank feck i woke up.

When people are young they think like this then once they get older and realise they actually pay for people like cash they soon wake up.

Just remember Sinn Fein can’t get enough of me cash.

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 12:39pm

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Depressing and infuriating.

I used to be such a raging leftie (morto!) - thank feck i woke up.

I'd still consider myself to lean left on most issues but this isn't an issue of left or right, its about cop on and personal responsibility. The government shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense (our original topic I mean) in an ideal world.

Housing is another thing altogether, we can't keep up with an ever increasing population so of course prices are going to rise whether its the rental market or the sales market. There are housing problems all over the world because of over population but no politician wants to touch that issue. They might as well paint a swastika on their forehead if they did.

limnam · 14-09-2018 12:44pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Just remember Sinn Fein can’t get enough of me cash.

While FG keeping pumping "our" money into her. No point bashing SF they're not spending your money on her. FG is.

Gimme A Pound · 14-09-2018 12:46pm

limnam wrote: »

While FG keeping pumping "our" money into her. No point bashing SF they're not spending your money on her. FG is.

Yet SF keep saying FG do nothing for her- that's what they mean.

Gimme A Pound · 14-09-2018 12:48pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I'd still consider myself to lean left on most issues but this isn't an issue of left or right, its about cop on and personal responsibility. The government shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense (our original topic I mean) in an ideal world.

Housing is another thing altogether, we can't keep up with an ever increasing population so of course prices are going to rise whether its the rental market or the sales market. There are housing problems all over the world because of over population but no politician wants to touch that issue. They might as well paint a swastika on their forehead if they did.

Oh yeah I'd be considered super liberal in America.

But when I was younger i was an idiot.

limnam · 14-09-2018 12:48pm

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Yet SF keep saying FG do nothing for her- that's what they mean.

opposition been opposition

Sweet.Science · 14-09-2018 12:53pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I'd still consider myself to lean left on most issues but this isn't an issue of left or right, its about cop on and personal responsibility. The government shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense (our original topic I mean) in an ideal world.

Housing is another thing altogether, we can't keep up with an ever increasing population so of course prices are going to rise whether its the rental market or the sales market. There are housing problems all over the world because of over population but no politician wants to touch that issue. They might as well paint a swastika on their forehead if they did.

Yep - the elephant in the room is that this crisis is just going to get worse and worse .

The country is at its richest now and cant deal with it . In 5 years time what is it going to be like when HAP is cut etc , welfare is cut, state pension is cut .

Would a government really pump all this money into social housing during their term . Its the taxpayer that would have to fund it by paying a huge amount of tax . People would leave ireland to work. Less money from tax. More increases . More people leave . Less people choose to work . More demand for social housing.

Cant wait

limnam · 14-09-2018 12:55pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The country is at its richest now

You've not looked very hard at the balance sheets...

Loves_lorries · 14-09-2018 1:01pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I'd still consider myself to lean left on most issues but this isn't an issue of left or right, its about cop on and personal responsibility. The government shouldn't have to deal with this nonsense (our original topic I mean) in an ideal world.

Housing is another thing altogether, we can't keep up with an ever increasing population so of course prices are going to rise whether its the rental market or the sales market. There are housing problems all over the world because of over population but no politician wants to touch that issue. They might as well paint a swastika on their forehead if they did.

If you lean left in Ireland, your natural home is fine Gael.

Every other party is proper left or hard left or looney left, that's how socialist Ireland is.

Lollipops23 · 14-09-2018 1:01pm

I truly don't know how I'll vote come the next General Election.

I would have always been towards Labour/FG but can't endorse the current system. I got excited to see the Social Dems when they appeared on the scene. After Ruth Coppinger's appearance on Prime Time last night (calling for people to break and enter other people's properties and squat), they won't be getting a vote from me.

I mean who does it leave??! (FF and SF were never in any danger of getting my vote!!)

KrustyUCC · 14-09-2018 1:03pm

It's a hard one

I voted Independent last time but now the plonker has joined FG this time

No way he's getting my vote now

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 1:07pm

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Oh yeah I'd be considered super liberal in America.

But when I was younger i was an idiot.

You're luck you got over it, pretty sure I'm still an idiot

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Would a government really pump all this money into social housing during their term . Its the taxpayer that would have to fund it by paying a huge amount of tax . People would leave ireland to work. Less money from tax. More increases . More people leave . Less people choose to work . More demand for social housing.

Cant wait

That's why I had to laugh at the news last night when Eoghan and his buddies were on a balcony looking out over all the sites they are promising to build houses on. Only they can save us now.

Than the expert in the studio basically rubbished the whole plan. Not in any nasty way but simply by explaining how wrong it all was. Classic Ireland.

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 1:09pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

It's a hard one

I voted Independent last time but now the plonker has joined FG this time

No way he's getting my vote now

I voted independent once too but what's the point? They either get absorbed by the parties you didn't want to vote for or they can get absolutely nothing done by staying independent.

Sweet.Science · 14-09-2018 1:22pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

You're luck you got over it, pretty sure I'm still an idiot

That's why I had to laugh at the news last night when Eoghan and his buddies were on a balcony looking out over all the sites they are promising to build houses on. Only they can save us now.

Than the expert in the studio basically rubbished the whole plan. Not in any nasty way but simply by explaining how wrong it all was. Classic Ireland.

Its all spin for votes . Remember that government mortgage plan that was rolled out 6 months ago ... Wonder what happened to that . It was drivel but people believed it

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 1:25pm

Oh definitely. Any scheme they have tried to put in place has only raised housing prices.

Wheeliebin30 · 14-09-2018 1:26pm

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Its all spin for votes . Remember that government mortgage plan that was rolled out 6 months ago ... Wonder what happened to that . It was drivel but people believed it

There is a thread here in boards and many have got a mortgage through that scheme.

You are talking drivel.

Loves_lorries · 14-09-2018 1:42pm

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I truly don't know how I'll vote come the next General Election.

I would have always been towards Labour/FG but can't endorse the current system. I got excited to see the Social Dems when they appeared on the scene. After Ruth Coppinger's appearance on Prime Time last night (calling for people to break and enter other people's properties and squat), they won't be getting a vote from me.

I mean who does it leave??! (FF and SF were never in any danger of getting my vote!!)

Ruth coppinger isn't a social Democrats member.
. The social Democrats are nothing more than a home for disillusioned Labour Party voters. They are wooly Liberals who offer nothing to the Irish middle class.

NasserShammaz · 14-09-2018 1:45pm

Jedidiah Lazy Moped wrote: »

Loathsome man. That Lidl tweet was a disgrace. Worse again were the swarm of gimps who rushed to like it (No doubt mostly middle class dwellers of nice crime-free areas who will never have to endure anti social behaviour).

Christ on a rope is that still on telly I bet he's making a ****in documentary or something now he's run out of characters to play

14-09-2018 1:47pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

Damn those settled people objecting to being robbed and brutalized by gangs of travellers roaming the country side with impunity conscious or consequence.

Actually, I'm talking about things like openly sniggering at travellers, using group epithets towards them like 'knacker', and refusing to employ them on the basis of their ethnicity.

Like i said, both travellers and the settled community need to change their ways -- travellers have a lot to change, too.

As for not knowing any travellers, I don't think i need to prove myself to some randomer on a bulletin board.

BattleCorp · 14-09-2018 2:05pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Actually, I'm talking about things like openly sniggering at travellers, using group epithets towards them like 'knacker', and refusing to employ them on the basis of their ethnicity.

Like i said, both travellers and the settled community need to change their ways -- travellers have a lot to change, too.

As for not knowing any travellers, I don't think i need to prove myself to some randomer on a bulletin board.

I'll change my opinion when travellers change their behaviour.

sightband · 14-09-2018 2:15pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

refusing to employ them on the basis of their ethnicity.

does this really happen though? do many of them actually seek employment? I've never come across a paye working traveller. they aren't all being refused employment, they just don't look for work i suspect. if one came to me looking for work with the right qualifications, experience, attitude and well presented...would i give them a chance? no f*cking way

it's mainly stuff like being refused entry to pubs, because they destroy them and also being asked to leave shops, because they rob them blind.

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 2:18pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Actually, I'm talking about things like openly sniggering at travellers

100% do not know anyone who would dare do this for fear of getting the sh*t kicked out of them. I wouldn't even call the women out on their blackface tanning regimes for the same reason.

I do agree change is needed on both sides but they live in Ireland so should be subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

Deebles McBeebles · 14-09-2018 2:20pm

sightband wrote: »

does this really happen though? do many of them actually seek employment? I've never come across a paye working traveller.

Have seen this once in my life.

sightband wrote: »

it's mainly stuff like being refused entry to pubs, because they destroy them and also being asked to leave shops, because they rob them blind.

Have seen both many times.

KrustyUCC · 14-09-2018 2:32pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I voted independent once too but what's the point? They either get absorbed by the parties you didn't want to vote for or they can get absolutely nothing done by staying independent.

True

I absolutely believe in voting though so i needed somebody to vote for

sightband · 14-09-2018 2:35pm

A family member is from Moate, Westmeath. Good number of pikeys around those parts. When one of them dies and there’s a funeral, all five pubs in the town close for the day. They know the loss of earnings for a day versus the risk of either having the place thrashed or having to pay compo for refusing them is a no brainer.

KrustyUCC · 14-09-2018 2:39pm

That situation is repeated up and down the country

Some would claim that's racism

Nope just prior experience

BattleCorp · 14-09-2018 2:42pm

Publicans are in a crap situation. Let travellers in and risk having your place trashed and losing your regulars. Don't let them in and possibly be breaking the law.

I worked in a pub that began to serve travellers. That lasted all of two weeks. The owner wasn't so keen on serving them after they wrecked the gaff.

KrustyUCC · 14-09-2018 2:43pm

Yet the next bunch in would get compo if refused service

Damned if you do damned if you don't

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