Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

banie01 · 08-07-2019 3:38pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Your mind-reading abilities combined with your uncanny ability to add two and two together and get five mark you out as a poster not worth following. So I am taking the necessary action.

Your call J.M, slightly petulant reaction?
Maybe my mystic powers are landing a little close to the mark?
Certainly a lot of interest in the other J.Ms professional body as to the substance of the detail outlined above though.
It will be very interesting to see just how this plays out.

I am particularly interested in how you see it going?
Bailey taking the fall and a senate seat to keep schtum?
Or holding the party by the balls with a nod and a wink?

Do you not think the actual source of the advice to Bailey that she had an open and shut case is relevant?
Particularly if the source was also a witness to the event and a party and government colleague?

James Brown · 08-07-2019 4:01pm

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Your mind-reading abilities combined with your uncanny ability to add two and two together and get five mark you out as a poster not worth following. So I am taking the necessary action.

All that matters is the public's perception on this. Nobody expects any legal outcome or accountability outside of how this whole affair makes Fine Gael look, and it's not good.

Snow Garden · 08-07-2019 4:12pm

banie01 wrote: »

Your call J.M, slightly petulant reaction?
Maybe my mystic powers are landing a little close to the mark?
Certainly a lot of interest in the other J.Ms professional body as to the substance of the detail outlined above though.
It will be very interesting to see just how this plays out.

I am particularly interested in how you see it going?
Bailey taking the fall and a senate seat to keep schtum?
Or holding the party by the balls with a nod and a wink?

Do you not think the actual source of the advice to Bailey that she had an open and shut case is relevant?
Particularly if the source was also a witness to the event and a party and government colleague?

You're wasting your time. He is even too embarrassed to say what constituency he is in.

Snow Garden · 08-07-2019 4:15pm

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/maria-bailey-may-lose-committee-chair-over-swing-gate-935367.html

Maria Bailey may lose committee chair over swing-gate

What if the chair was supervised?

“Maria will pay a huge price for this even if no sanction is taken, she has been damaged by her own foolish actions,” one source said.

It has been reported the investigation has found that Ms Bailey overstated her injuries after she fell from a swing in the Dublin hotel.

Another claim pending....

Social Protection Minister Regina Doherty said the Taoiseach is “caught between a rock and a hard place”.

The Bishop Basher · 08-07-2019 4:26pm

is_that_so wrote: »

The homeless issue will eventually go away

I suspect this is the actual government policy on housing..

A bit like this sorry saga.

Ignore it long enough and hope it goes away.

Not a chance..

This issue directly affects every single one of us.

ChikiChiki · 08-07-2019 4:29pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/maria-bailey-may-lose-committee-chair-over-swing-gate-935367.html

Maria Bailey may lose committee chair over swing-gate

What if the chair was supervised?

“Maria will pay a huge price for this even if no sanction is taken, she has been damaged by her own foolish actions,” one source said.

It has been reported the investigation has found that Ms Bailey overstated her injuries after she fell from a swing in the Dublin hotel.

Another claim pending....

Social Protection Minister Regina Doherty said the Taoiseach is “caught between a rock and a hard place”.

They are a laughing stock and will continue to be the longer it drags on.

is_that_so · 08-07-2019 4:31pm

Cordell wrote: »

I think we should go back to the start: a TD, by her own admission, can't use a swing without supervision and instructions, hence she's totally unfit for the job so she should be sacked.

That can't happen until the next election but she should lose her current position.

is_that_so · 08-07-2019 4:33pm

The Bishop Basher wrote: »

I suspect this is the actual government policy on housing..

A bit like this sorry saga.

Ignore it long enough and hope it goes away.

Not a chance..

This issue directly affects every single one of us.

I think part of that social housing policy is to get councils to get their act together but they are even more useless at housing.

Loafing Oaf · 08-07-2019 4:36pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Many voters are centrist by inclination and FF/FG dominate this ground. They are also very good at reinventing themselves and borrowing or stealing ideas from other parties. The scenario here is no different to most other democracies - that of a duopoly.

If you're basically happy with what you're getting from FF and FG, fine. But don't be annoying the rest of us by adopting this pose of "I despise both FF and FG with every fibre of my meaning but I have searched high and low and can't find anyone else I could consider voting for."

rireland · 08-07-2019 4:36pm

There's some amount of mileage in this story. Nearly 6k posts about a td who fell of a swing and made an insurance claim.

Been rumbling on for a long time now. Who is keeping this in the media?

I don't believe the childrens hospital overspend stayed alive this long. Odd.

Cordell · 08-07-2019 4:51pm

Well, I think leaders that cannot be trusted with a swing shouldn't be trusted with the construction of a hospital.

is_that_so · 08-07-2019 4:56pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If you're basically happy with what you're getting from FF and FG, fine. But don't be annoying the rest of us by adopting this pose of "I despise both FF and FG with every fibre of my meaning but I have searched high and low and can't find anyone else I could consider voting for."

I don't despise either of them although FF are mostly still on the bold step for 2007-2009. I'm a pragmatist and balance my vote based on my view of the quality of candidates and whether I agree with where they stand. Most of our parties stand more or less in the same place anyway! Still have at least 2-3 options each time, it would be more but the SDs turned out to be wasters!

nuac · 08-07-2019 5:01pm

rireland wrote: »

There's some amount of mileage in this story. Nearly 6k posts about a td who fell of a swing and made an insurance claim.

Been rumbling on for a long time now. Who is keeping this in the media?

I don't believe the childrens hospital overspend stayed alive this long. Odd.

Few of us have practical experience of planning or running large construction projects.
Every small or medium sized business has had to face increasing insurance costs on the renewal ( or indeed refusal of a renewal ) of insurance. Varad claimed to be reaching out to such people who had to get up early in the morning. By letting Baileygate run they continue to remind that constituency of this fiasco.

In years to come books will be written and Ph.D theses submitted on how not to handle a PR problem. Baileygate will be the main example, and it still rumbles on.

McMurphy · 08-07-2019 5:25pm

I suspect the real reason Bailey is still where she is, is because she has the party by the short and curlies - ie, she might spill the beans as to whom accompanied her to the swing, and whom dispensed the legal advice.

It's the only logical explanation that I can see.

Stop moaning ffs · 08-07-2019 5:44pm

Anyone know what a solicitors fees would be on a claim award of 25/30k?

mike_cork · 08-07-2019 5:50pm

Can we crowdfund to get the full report released

Im sure would be entertaining to have a read

InTheShadows · 08-07-2019 6:33pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Social democrats are worth a vote too

Yeah had thought of them but i don't think they have the organisation or numbers to make a difference like SF do. Then again im very much anti open borders which SF are not

The choices are truly depressing at present they really are.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 08-07-2019 6:58pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I suspect the real reason Bailey is still where she is, is because she has the party by the short and curlies - ie, she might spill the beans as to whom accompanied her to the swing, and whom dispensed the legal advice.

It's the only logical explanation that I can see.

The reason Bailey is where she is is because she was elected by her constituents.

Youve been banging that conspiracy drum for weeks now. Imagining yourself as some enterprising investigative journalist cracking the whole damn case wide open.

It's just wild speculation with nothing to base it on. Like I said. Hearing hooves and thinking zebras. Get a grip pal.

Odyssey 2005 · 08-07-2019 7:03pm

Social Protection Minister Regina Doherty said the Taoiseach is “caught between a rock and a hard place”.

"Well then mr veruka ,if this really is your situation, you'll have to cut your cloth to suit your measure ".....'just like you told the Naval Service to do ", ! wontcha?

boombang · 08-07-2019 7:06pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

The reason Bailey is where she is is because she was elected by her constituents.

Youve been banging that conspiracy drum for weeks now. Imagining yourself as some enterprising investigative journalist cracking the whole damn case wide open.

It's just wild speculation with nothing to base it on. Like I said. Hearing hooves and thinking zebras. Get a grip pal.

I think it's quite plausible that part or the explanation why Leo has chosen not to rightfully throw MB under the bus is that she will take others with her on the way down. Now the major reason has to the broad parliamentary arithmetic, but I think causing damage to Madigan and maybe others most be the reason why Leo hasn't done the right thing. That said, I think he's made a miscalculation and that it would have been better to let Maria and whoever else go for the sake of the high ground. Leo is so tarnished now.

Odyssey 2005 · 08-07-2019 7:10pm

boombang wrote: »

I think it's quite plausible that part or the explanation why Leo has chosen not to rightfully throw MB under the bus is that she will take others with her on the way down. Now the major reason has to the broad parliamentary arithmetic, but I think causing damage to Madigan and maybe others most be the reason why Leo hasn't done the right thing. That said, I think he's made a miscalculation and that it would have been better to let Maria and whoever else go for the sake of the high ground. Leo is so tarnished now.

100% correct

Snow Garden · 08-07-2019 7:14pm

boombang wrote: »

I think it's quite plausible that part or the explanation why Leo has chosen not to rightfully throw MB under the bus is that she will take others with her on the way down. Now the major reason has to the broad parliamentary arithmetic, but I think causing damage to Madigan and maybe others most be the reason why Leo hasn't done the right thing. That said, I think he's made a miscalculation and that it would have been better to let Maria and whoever else go for the sake of the high ground. Leo is so tarnished now.

I am absolutely positive that Madigan is heavily involved. Time will tell.

This article on John and Maria Bailey is interesting...
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/05/29/eamonn-kelly-not-far-from-the-tree/

To win votes in the 2007 general election John Bailey apparently circulated a letter mocked up to look like a Fine Gael directive from the top, the deception reinforced by featuring a photograph of Enda Kenny, the letter instructing people to vote Bailey No 1, for party vote management reasons.

The deceit was later described by the Fine Gael director of elections as a “serious breach of party discipline and unity.”

It later emerged in stories from the Sunday Business Post and the Sunday Tribune that both Bailey and his daughter Maria, had received election donations from the builders engaged in work on the golf course. Bailey denied that these donations had any bearing on his failure to object to the development.

The point here is, that he took time to actually write a letter to constituents deliberately designed to mislead and give a false impression of where his loyalties lay.

In 2009 Bailey again set out to deceive Fine Gael with another letter, this one designed to block a rival’s daughter from involvement in the selection process for candidates for Fine Gael for the Dun Laoghaire constituency.

Maria Bailey said that it is a personal “tragedy” for her and her family. A family whose patriarch has himself a record in deliberate deceit.

Which begs the question, is this an isolated case, or does the Bailey saga represent a trend among the privileged?

The electorate in Dun Laoghaire must be a forgiving bunch.

Suckit · 08-07-2019 8:23pm

That quote

In 2009 Bailey again set out to deceive Fine Gael with another letter, this one designed to block a rival’s daughter from involvement in the selection process for candidates for Fine Gael for the Dun Laoghaire constituency.

That's on John Baileys wiki page - they all are, but my point is they even went out of their way to annoy/block people in the same party. Unbelievable.
If this was any another person in FG, you can bet that Maria Bailey would be calling for their head, especially if she thought it was effecting the public opinion on FG.
Is Naja Regan still in FG? She should run next election. It would sicken them, although I dont believe any FG candidate will do well next GE.
The sitting councillors at the time were obviously John Bailey, Maria Bailey and the third I think was Marie Baker.
Why would we want to vote any of those in again?

Jupiter Mulligan · 08-07-2019 9:22pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Social democrats are worth a vote too

I thought that until they (or Gannon) tried to foist Kisyombe on us.

After that, I knew they were a busted flush.

Jupiter Mulligan · 08-07-2019 9:23pm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Social Protection Minister Regina Doherty said the Taoiseach is “caught between a rock and a hard place”.

"Well then mr veruka ,if this really is your situation, you'll have to cut your cloth to suit your measure ".....'just like you told the Naval Service to do ", ! wontcha?

Mothball two of his ships sh1ts?

kingstevii · 08-07-2019 9:48pm

Gender quota. Lose Bailey and you lose Madigan. Leo is trying to save at least one..

ChikiChiki · 08-07-2019 11:21pm

I'm seeing lads and ladies in whatsapp groups sharing that PD video and venting frustrations around politics. People that had no interest in politics at all before.

I think the whole issue of insurance and compensation is becoming a tipping point and creating an awakening.

pablo128 · 08-07-2019 11:30pm

Not only has this blown up in FGs face, Sinn Fein of all of the opposition shining brightly out of it.

And by doing nothing except the job they are paid to do as opposition, ask the relevant questions.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 09-07-2019 12:07am

lola85 wrote: »

People here blaming the likes of Maria Bailey for high premiums then praising Doherty for showing that claims aren’t the reason and it’s actually the insurance companies lying.

I don’t get it???

Shinner logic lad. Doesn't make much sense.

Shemale · 09-07-2019 12:38am

Gael23 wrote: »

Hearing rumors that her father has died

Its probably a lie

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 12:41am

SF TD holding the insurance companies to task versus a FG TD that can't even be trusted to sit on a swing without trying a fraudulent claim.
Few upset posters here. ;-)

JohnnyFlash · 09-07-2019 1:13am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

SF TD holding the insurance companies to task versus a FG TD that can't even be trusted to sit on a swing without trying a fraudulent claim.
Few upset posters here. ;-)

Not really, dude. SF are a spent docket. Having nothing only gibberish to offer the people. Can see them becoming part of the Labour Party within 10 years. Like the stickies before them. The only appeal of sf to some people was the likes of Adams and the lad who can’t read down in Kerry. The lad who picked up the killers of Sergeant Jerry McCabe. The Ferris gombeen.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 1:16am

JohnnyFlash wrote:

Not really, dude. SF are a spent docket. Having nothing only gibberish to offer the people. Can see them becoming part of the Labour Party within 10 years. Like the stickies before them. The only appeal of sf to some people was the likes of Adams and the lad who canâ€™t read down in Kerry. The lad who picked up the killers of Sergeant Gerry McCabe. The Ferris gombeen.

I don't give a flying one about SF but I find it hilarious the amount of whataboutery in your comment instead of addressing my comment. SF TD holding the insurance companies to account where they claimed over 20 per cent of claims were fraudulent yet less than 1 per cent reported to the guards. I wonder would the FG TD's have been investigated? What do you think?

McMurphy · 09-07-2019 7:08am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Not really, dude. SF are a spent docket. Having nothing only gibberish to offer the people. Can see them becoming part of the Labour Party within 10 years. Like the stickies before them. The only appeal of sf to some people was the likes of Adams and the lad who can’t read down in Kerry. The lad who picked up the killers of Sergeant Jerry McCabe. The Ferris gombeen.

Signage on the auld swing in Sophie's wouldn't be much use to the likes of him. You'd have to wonder what in under jaysis Madigan and Bailey were thinking coming up with that as an angle to try and prosecute. :P

I see Charlie Flannigan has been rolled out now to toe party line, they seem to be about to do a white wash hoping this'll go away, but like everything else in the whole kerfuffle, they're misjudging that opinion too.

Mr Flanagan denied the allegations and said Taoiseach Leo Varadkar is not "hiding behind" previously unknown deals to keep the report secret amid mounting calls for its findings to be made public

Unknown deals

Leo didn't establish any terms of reference with Kennedy? Not very plausible. Are we to believe Leo sent your man off with a free reign at a report that Leo had no clue what the conditions were?

janfebmar · 09-07-2019 8:56am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Not really, dude. SF are a spent docket. Having nothing only gibberish to offer the people. Can see them becoming part of the Labour Party within 10 years. Like the stickies before them. The only appeal of sf to some people was the likes of Adams and the lad who can’t read down in Kerry. The lad who picked up the killers of Sergeant Jerry McCabe. The Ferris gombeen.

Agreed. Bad and all as Fine Gael are, SF would be the true masters at " getting" money for nothing.

_Kaiser_ · 09-07-2019 9:19am

I see this morning in the IT that Phil "down to a trickle" Hogan is being lined up for a second spin on the EU gravy train with the cabinet to sign off on the nomination this morning.

Ah FG.. Ye never fail to disappoint!

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 9:20am

Loving the deflection tactics here. FG has zero credibility when it comes to tackling the high cost of insurance considering the behaviour of Farrell and Bailey. High insurance costs have curtailed the activities available to the wider community, caused the cancellation of festivals that have lasted for years but more importantly the same high insurance has cost jobs. FG is silent on the matter as it's members are willing to gouge the system just like the cheats they pretend to abhorr .

_Kaiser_ · 09-07-2019 9:20am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I don't give a flying one about SF but I find it hilarious the amount of whataboutery in your comment instead of addressing my comment. SF TD holding the insurance companies to account where they claimed over 20 per cent of claims were fraudulent yet less than 1 per cent reported to the guards. I wonder would the FG TD's have been investigated? What do you think?

Wasting your time mate.

boombang · 09-07-2019 9:25am

lola85 wrote: »

People here blaming the likes of Maria Bailey for high premiums then praising Doherty for showing that claims aren’t the reason and it’s actually the insurance companies lying.

I don’t get it???

I think Maria Bailey is a good example of why Pearse Doherty's questioning was over blown. Maria Bailey's claim was a clear example of attempted fraud to anyone with some common sense, but still doesn't present enough evidence to support a prosecution. Many suspected frauds will be like this, explaining the missing percentages that PD was grandstanding about.

_Kaiser_ · 09-07-2019 9:34am

lola85 wrote: »

People here blaming the likes of Maria Bailey for high premiums then praising Doherty for showing that claims aren’t the reason and it’s actually the insurance companies lying.

I don’t get it???

It's simple..

As I said yesterday, the problem is two-fold.

On one hand you have people exaggerating or making up claims in the hope of an easy payout

On the other you have Insurers claiming it's because of this that premiums are so high. In reality it seems, the number of such claims they forward to the Gardai for investigation (and prosecution) is tiny, suggesting that the issue is nowhere near on the scale they claim.

Both are a problem. Both need to be addressed.

Snow Garden · 09-07-2019 10:14am

nuac wrote: »

Few of us have practical experience of planning or running large construction projects.
Every small or medium sized business has had to face increasing insurance costs on the renewal ( or indeed refusal of a renewal ) of insurance. Varad claimed to be reaching out to such people who had to get up early in the morning. By letting Baileygate run they continue to remind that constituency of this fiasco.

In years to come books will be written and Ph.D theses submitted on how not to handle a PR problem. Baileygate will be the main example, and it still rumbles on.

Excellent post. Hits the nail on the head.
People will feel the effects of Bailey/Farrell in their pockets for many years.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 10:25am

boombang wrote:

I think Maria Bailey is a good example of why Pearse Doherty's questioning was over blown. Maria Bailey's claim was a clear example of attempted fraud to anyone with some common sense, but still doesn't present enough evidence to support a prosecution. Many suspected frauds will be like this, explaining the missing percentages that PD was grandstanding about.

Correct me if i'm wrong but shouldn't it be the government challenging the insurance industry and not an opposition TD. It is the job of government to protect the interests of the citizen and act in the best interests of the citizens. Although as I said FG have no credibility when it comes to insurance fraud.
It would be easy for FG to enact legislation to deal with attempted insurance fraud but why would they, that would be like "poacher turned game keeper".

pablo128 · 09-07-2019 10:36am

boombang wrote: »

I think Maria Bailey is a good example of why Pearse Doherty's questioning was over blown. Maria Bailey's claim was a clear example of attempted fraud to anyone with some common sense, but still doesn't present enough evidence to support a prosecution. Many suspected frauds will be like this, explaining the missing percentages that PD was grandstanding about.

The very idea of dodgy claims being referred to Gardai would be enough to dissuade a lot of people from chancing their arm.

Let our police force determine is they have a case to answer.

Loafing Oaf · 09-07-2019 10:39am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Excellent post. Hits the nail on the head.
People will feel the effects of Bailey/Farrell in their pockets for many years.

You reckon those two are largely responsible for high insurance premiums?

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 10:40am

pablo128 wrote: »

The very idea of dodgy claims being referred to Gardai would be enough to dissuade a lot of people from chancing their arm.

Let our police force determine is they have a case to answer.

Actually it's the DPP who does that.

FrancieBrady · 09-07-2019 10:40am

pablo128 wrote: »

The very idea of dodgy claims being referred to Gardai would be enough to dissuade a lot of people from chancing their arm.

Let our police force determine is they have a case to answer.

Might be time to refer the insurance companies to the gardai.

is_that_so · 09-07-2019 10:42am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong but shouldn't it be the government challenging the insurance industry and not an opposition TD. It is the job of government to protect the interests of the citizen and act in the best interests of the citizens. Although as I said FG have no credibility when it comes to insurance fraud.
It would be easy for FG to enact legislation to deal with attempted insurance fraud but why would they, that would be like "poacher turned game keeper".

Despite all the blustering he's as much part of the problem, - i.e. the inability of the Dail to get to grips with the issues around insurance claims. Legislation goes through stages including the type of committee he's on.

Plumbthedepths · 09-07-2019 10:48am

is_that_so wrote:

Despite all the blustering he's as much part of the problem, - i.e. the inability of the Dail to get to grips with the issues around insurance claims. Legislation goes through stages including the type of committee he's on.

Ah wondered how long it would take someone to blame those that don't set policy. What legislation to deal with high premia and fraud has the opposition blocked that was brought forward by government?

Snow Garden · 09-07-2019 10:49am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

You reckon those two are largely responsible for high insurance premiums?

There are 2 wrongs here I guess (fraud and profiteering) but when government TDs are part of the problem and making money from the problem, they certainly help facilitate it.

The Bishop Basher · 09-07-2019 10:49am

Snow Garden wrote: »

This article on John and Maria Bailey is interesting...
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/05/29/eamonn-kelly-not-far-from-the-tree/

She didn’t lick it off the trees then..

If even half of that is true, FG are corrupt to the core.

Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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