Token women commentators in men’rt

IAMAMORON · 08-03-2020 11:58pm

It is the tokenism that would annoy me the most. I love watching women's tennis, it takes less time than the men's matches and it can be more pleasing on the eye. You can have Boris Becker or John McEnroe commentating.

But Tennis is Tennis. It has always mixed well, " mixed doubles" for example.

Pundits are generally employed based on their knowledge and experience of the game at hand. So why are camogie players talking with hurlers'? It is patronising and quite possibly cringey for the woman involved. I don't see them asking Setanta O'Halpín to talk shight about a camogie match every week?

Keep it real.

Equality is an issue that does not need to be forced on everyone. I am all for feminism, but it can go too far sometimes and not always in a positive way. There are far to many extreme feminists who make too much of an issue of things, they are undermining women who are just living their lives and being what they are. Copying what men do is not some sort of leveller or equality barometer. You won't catch me clothes shopping for 5 hours on a Saturday just because women do.

anewme · 09-03-2020 12:03am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You won't catch me clothes shopping for 5 hours on a Saturday just because women do.

I'm a woman and I've never spent 5 hours on a Saturday clothes shopping.

Why do you believe this is what all women do?

Do believe your statement above is generalising and sexist?

Do you believe women take part is sport to please your eyes?

IAMAMORON · 09-03-2020 12:05am

anewme wrote: »

I'm a woman and I've never spent 5 hours on a Saturday clothes shopping.

Why do you believe this is what all women do?

Do believe your statement above is generalising and sexist?

They also nag a lot, I try not to.

anewme · 09-03-2020 12:14am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

They also nag a lot, I try not to.

So "they"spend 5 hours on a Saturday shopping and nag a lot.

The women in your circle must also be very basic quality like yourself if that's your experience of women,ie, all they do is shop and nag. You should broaden your circle so.

Would you not for a moment consider women are individuals and have their own views and opinions and likes and dislikes or is that outside the remit of someone who accepts they are a complete moran?

IAMAMORON · 09-03-2020 12:22am

anewme wrote: »

So "they"spend 5 hours in a Saturday shopping and nag a lot.

Would you not for a moment consider women are individuals and have their own views and opinions and likes and dislikes or is that outside the remit of someone who accepts they are a complete moran?

Yes there are a considerable amount of women out there who spend their time shopping and or nagging and or both, simultaneously.

You also get women who are into embroidery. That does not mean that I have to be into embroidery to prove I am not a sexist. The fact remains that women and men can have separate interests. There will be occasions when they share interests but it is less common than you imagine.

Fashion tends to be more popular with women than men. That does not make fashion sexist? Even if all the best designers are men:p:p

Church on Tuesday · 09-03-2020 12:33am

Yawn.

FunLover18 · 09-03-2020 12:33am

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well it does if you view it through a feminist lens....but then everthing does when you have those lens on.

Look, we all enjoyed watching the Woman's hockey team reach the World Cup final...wouldn't it make more sense to show and promote more Women's hockey on tv it was refreshing to see a sport you don't often see...it was even better to watch the success....to encourage a new league perhaps with it's own culture...

Nobody has an issue with watching or listening to women in sport, we all watched Sonia O'Sullivan, we watch the Olympics etc.

What seems to be happening is that pundits are being recruited because of their genitals not because they can bring something to the discussion....that is neither fair on the individual nor the viewer or women....

The biggest problem women have in sport is that other women don't bother going to the matches...a few token pundits ain't going to change that in any meaningful way.

You haven't even looked up the careers of the women you're complaining about. You say you don't want people hired because of their genitals, as I pointed out before they haven't plucked these women off the streets. Alex Scott had over 100 international caps for England, regardless of the standard of the women's game (which I don't know much about) she has played football professionally and watches football and has an opinion on football that she can back up which is more than you or I can do. Honestly a lad on a couch saying a professional athlete shouldn't be allowed do punditry on her sport because of her genitals is fúcking ludicrous.

anewme · 09-03-2020 12:43am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Yes there are a considerable amount of women out there who spend their time shopping and or nagging and or both, simultaneously.

You also get women who are into embroidery. That does not mean that I have to be into embroidery to prove I am not a sexist. The fact remains that women and men can have separate interests. There will be occasions when they share interests but it is less common than you imagine.

Fashion tends to be more popular with women than men. That does not make fashion sexist? Even if all the best designers are men:p:p

People with no confidence and poor communication always try to deflect and project their insecurities onto others, like your generalisations here are very telling of you.

Instead of accepting that men and women are individuals with their own opinions, likes, dislikes and opinions, you choose to push that women are all the same, obsessed with shopping, embroidery and nagging.

Because believing anything else questions you on your own shortcomings and inadequacies.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 12:43am

anewme wrote:

the remit of someone who accepts they are a complete moran?

Haha

Silentcorner · 09-03-2020 12:45am

FunLover18 wrote: »

You haven't even looked up the careers of the women you're complaining about. You say you don't want people hired because of their genitals, as I pointed out before they haven't plucked these women off the streets. Alex Scott had over 100 international caps for England, regardless of the standard of the women's game (which I don't know much about) she has played football professionally and watches football and has an opinion on football that she can back up which is more than you or I can do. Honestly a lad on a couch saying a professional athlete shouldn't be allowed do punditry on her sport because of her genitals is fúcking ludicrous.

You don't say....

Alex Scott, regardless of the amount of caps she has, wouldn't last a month in the semi pro leagues in the UK, that is Non League Football....she wouldn't last a month....there are about 4,000 professional male footballers in the UK at any given time...not including the Semi Pro leagues, there is probably a few dozen professional female players....do you understand that...a professional women's team has never beaten an Under 15 boys team anywhere...now, do you honestly believe I like pointing that out...it needs to be pointed out to put the level Alex Scott has achieved into perspective.

You are in no position to talk about football if you don't understand the size of the sport and culture you are talking about let alone telling me what I am saying is "f##king ludicrous".

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 12:48am

anewme wrote:

Instead of accepting that men and women are individuals with their own opinions, likes, dislikes and opinions, you choose to push that women are all the same, obsessed with shopping, embroidery and nagging.

Men and women are indeed all individuals who think and act differently. However, there is a reason why stereotypes exist, and that's because the vast majority of women and men like different things. Nothing wrong with that.

Women's football and men's football are pretty much different sports. The most elite women's footballer would not get into the starting eleven of a top tier side.

Tokenism is rife in television and I find it more insulting to women to insist in pushing them onto television for the sake of diversity rather than because they deserve it.

anewme · 09-03-2020 12:53am

Ironicname wrote: »

Men and women are indeed all individuals who think and act differently. However, there is a reason why stereotypes exist, and that's because the vast majority of women and men like different things. Nothing wrong with that.

Do you think women's interests are shopping, embroidery and nagging, or would it be sexist to assume that ?

boardise · 09-03-2020 12:57am

Women talking is fine but their commentating on matches doesn't work for me. The nature of their vocal cords is such that when they try to inject excitement - their voice becomes discordant and shrill so they sound like demented fishwives.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 1:00am

anewme wrote:

Do you think women's interests are shopping, embroidery and nagging, or would it be sexist to assume that ?

I'd say the majority of people that enjoy shopping and embroidery would be female.

It obviously doesn't apply to ALL women.

Nagging was, I assume, a joke.

anewme · 09-03-2020 1:00am

boardise wrote: »

Women talking is fine but their commentating on matches doesn't work for me. The nature of their vocal cords is such that when they try to inject excitement - their voice becomes discordant and shrill so they sound like demented fishwives.

More sexist crap...women sound like demented fishwives.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 1:05am

anewme wrote:

More sexist crap...women sound like demented fishwives.

Do you not find "positive" discrimination sexist?

bubbles o hara · 09-03-2020 1:05am

This pc gender crap has gone beyond ridiculous. I turn off the sports channels more often than I watch them now because of the 'token' women...and that's what they are, no matter how knowledgeable they may be.

I would rather get a job based on my ability than my gender.

And having said that, I would rather pour superglue in my ears than listen to Gary Lineker waffle on.

anewme · 09-03-2020 1:07am

Ironicname wrote: »

Do you not find "positive" discrimination sexist?

Do you believe that saying someone sounds like a demented fishwife is in any way positive or is meant in anything other than a negative way?

Baseball72 · 09-03-2020 1:09am

I am still trying to get used to women commentating / analyzing football & rugby matches on SKY/BT/Five Live etc.

And then I think of Jermain Jenas. If women have the insight to a game then its fine. The female rugby analysts still know 100% more about the sport than I do (having watched it for 50 plus years). But it still takes some getting used to...

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 1:09am

anewme wrote:

Do you believe that saying someone sounds like a demented fishwife is in any way positive or is meant in anything other than a negative way?

I think that was said to be intentionally offensive and to provoke your reaction.

Will you answer my question?

Blueshoe · 09-03-2020 1:10am

Definitely tokenism. Charity in a way.
All of a sudden all sports across many channels now have female pundits on male sporting events.

Pandering.

Rikand · 09-03-2020 1:11am

Marie Crowe is very good on the radio. Sadly shes saddled with those other two lemons.

FunLover18 · 09-03-2020 1:12am

Silentcorner wrote: »

You don't say....

Alex Scott, regardless of the amount of caps she has, wouldn't last a month in the semi pro leagues in the UK, that is Non League Football....she wouldn't last a month....there are about 4,000 professional male footballers in the UK at any given time...not including the Semi Pro leagues, there is probably a few dozen professional female players....do you understand that...a professional women's team has never beaten an Under 15 boys team anywhere...now, do you honestly believe I like pointing that out...it needs to be pointed out to put the level Alex Scott has achieved into perspective.

You are in no position to talk about football if you don't understand the size of the sport and culture you are talking about let alone telling me what I am saying is "f##king ludicrous".

It's the same game! The tactics are the same, the formations are the same, the positions are the same, regardless of standard, Alex Scott was a professional with a 10+ year career in the same. You're insulting her and every professional female footballer by suggesting it's like getting 15 year olds to do the punditry. As someone pointed out most managers haven't even played at the highest levels. Experience and knowledge are not the same thing and that was my point when I brought up the football journalists earlier.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 1:14am

FunLover18 wrote:

It's the same game! The tactics are the same, the formations are the same, the positions are the same, regardless of standard, Alex Scott was a professional with a 10+ year career in the same. You're insulting her and every professional female footballer by suggesting it's like getting 15 year olds to play. As someone pointed out most managers haven't even played at the highest levels. Experience and knowledge are not the same thing and that was my point when I brought up the football journalists earlier.

Sure I used to play for St Kevin's under 16s and I manage my local under 8's.

Same sport. I should be a pundit so.

Women's football and men's football at an elite level are worlds apart.

anewme · 09-03-2020 1:15am

Ironicname wrote: »

I think that was said to be intentionally offensive and to provoke your reaction.

Will you answer my question?

But why do you think that's ok?

Why are you questioning me and not the hate?

Blueshoe · 09-03-2020 1:16am

FunLover18 wrote: »

It's the same game! The tactics are the same, the formations are the same, the positions are the same, regardless of standard, Alex Scott was a professional with a 10+ year career in the same. You're insulting her and every professional female footballer by suggesting it's like getting 15 year olds to do the punditry. As someone pointed out most managers haven't even played at the highest levels. Experience and knowledge are not the same thing and that was my point when I brought up the football journalists earlier.

I believe the ladies world cup winning United States soccer team played the Under 15 Dallas FC boys team in a warm up before a tournament and lost 5-2.

Girly Gal · 09-03-2020 1:18am

I think there is certainly a degree of tokenism with female pundits at male sports and I'll admit I didn't like it at first, but, I don't really mind now. Some are excellent and very knowledgeable like Alex Scott and others aren't great, but, that's the same with male pundits also.

I think the biggest problem is that alot of the female pundits outside of athletics and tennis aren't that well known to the general public because women's sports in general is still in it's infancy. On the other hand male pundits are generally well known so are more readily accepted.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 1:20am

anewme wrote:

But why do you think that's ok?

I never said it was ok.

anewme wrote:

Why are you questioning me and not the hate?

Because I'm interested in your answer, not interested in scolding someone for making, at best, a joke, or at worst, an attempt to bait you to respond as you did.

FunLover18 · 09-03-2020 1:23am

Blueshoe wrote: »

I believe the ladies world cup winning United States soccer team played the Under 15 Dallas FC boys team in a warm up before a tournament and lost 5-2.

What's your point? Alex Scott has career spanning more than ten years. What aspect of the men's game do you think she shouldn't be able to comprehend?

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 1:26am

FunLover18 wrote:

What's your point? Alex Scott has career spanning more than ten years. What aspect of the men's game do you think she shouldn't be able to comprehend?

Competing at that level. There are countless more men that have played at the level she hasn't and she would be included purely for "progressive" reasons ahead of those men. She would be exceptionally qualified to speak about women's football.

Blueshoe · 09-03-2020 1:26am

FunLover18 wrote: »

What's your point? Alex Scott has career spanning more than ten years. What aspect of the men's game do you think she shouldn't be able to comprehend?

More than 10 years in the game. To be honest iv never heard of her. She might have been at the top of her level but that's on a par with sky sports hiring a pundit who played national League 3 for half a season on loan from a club in Gibraltar.

It's just tokenism. Clearly. But that's the way it is now. Hopefully there is no pay gap between her and Gary lineker

Girly Gal · 09-03-2020 1:26am

Rikand wrote: »

Marie Crowe is very good on the radio. Sadly shes saddled with those other two lemons.

Have to disagree with you here, Marie Crowe is not good on the radio- agree that she is saddled with a lemon in Donnacha - she has a good knowledge of sports, but, she's not a good radio presenter.

Raconteuse · 09-03-2020 1:27am

Blueshoe wrote: »

Definitely tokenism. Charity in a way.
All of a sudden all sports across many channels now have female pundits on male sporting events.

Pandering.

I think it would be worth drilling it down a bit - and considering that maybe it's not tokenism in all cases.

bubbles o hara wrote: »

This pc gender crap has gone beyond ridiculous. I turn off the sports channels more often than I watch them now because of the 'token' women...and that's what they are, no matter how knowledgeable they may be.

I would rather get a job based on my ability than my gender.

You'd turn it off just because members of your own sex are among the pundits? Bit extreme.

Also your bit about ability contradicts the previous bit about "no matter how knowledgeable they may be". If they are knowledgeable and able to deliver well on TV, isn't that the ability bit covered?

Joanne Cantwell and Jacqui Hurley are very knowledgeable about GAA I believe, so what's the problem in their cases?

Strumms · 09-03-2020 1:32am

JRant wrote: »

Brian Kerr /end thread

Doesn't matter what bits a commentator has, if they're not Brian Kerr then they're not worth listening too. Should be classified as a national treasure at this stage.

I like the guy, zero pretentiousness and while you might not always agree with him ( I know I dont ) you know he’s not spouting waffle just to pander to certain demographics and the 2020 ideals of those who are looking to be offended at every fûcking turn...rare in television nowadays, increasingly in sport too.

Have to say im a big Joanne Cantwell fan, truly somebody who is passionate and knowledgeable and downright good at the job she is doing...

The Orb · 09-03-2020 1:35am

FunLover18 wrote: »

It's the same game! The tactics are the same, the formations are the same, the positions are the same, regardless of standard, Alex Scott was a professional with a 10+ year career in the same. You're insulting her and every professional female footballer by suggesting it's like getting 15 year olds to do the punditry. As someone pointed out most managers haven't even played at the highest levels. Experience and knowledge are not the same thing and that was my point when I brought up the football journalists earlier.

Nominally it's the "same" game but you can't compare a professional career in women's football played in front of crowds in the hundreds with the elite level men's game. No doubt that some ex elite level pros are poor pundits but there is no doubt that any of the females that are appearing on TV now are pure tokens. None of them played a game that is even remotely like the premier league. Even if they know the rules and the tactics that doesn't qualify them to be there. Plenty of people know the theory, that doesn't mean you can talk about elite level participation. Watching panels with successful ex pros having to discuss a game with some token female is a joke, does anyone think that the lads take her seriously, how could they, she has no point of reference or cv. Frankly this sudden imposition of women into the men's game is a joke to satisfy some misguided equality agenda, none of them are there on merit, any achievements they had in the game were at a much much much lower level.

KungPao · 09-03-2020 1:42am

The way it is now is fine i.e females doing a bit of punditry here and there, commentating on a match no one is too arsed with etc.

But tbh if I tuned into the champions league final or mens WC final and I heard a woman giving it all that, I’d be fuming.

Need some George Hamilton or Martin Tyler talking bollocks. Not some wan.

anewme · 09-03-2020 1:48am

Ironicname wrote: »

I never said it was ok.

Because I'm interested in your answer, not interested in scolding someone for making, at best, a joke, or at worst, an attempt to bait you to respond as you did.

Do you really think it was 'a joke'?

Why do you think baiting people by making sexist comments should not be challenged, but the people who challenge the sexist comments should be challenged themselves.?

The pundit gameis a popularity contest. It's nothing to do with sport. Do you think Dunphy or Linekar or Kerr were ever the besth of players?

Do you believe the Williams sisters are not fit to comment on tennis?

The pundits role to engage the public (men and women) and extend viewing numbers. This skill is more about personality rather than being the best competitor the world. You dont need to be the best player in the world at any sport to be adequately able to discuss it in a value added manner.

People here believe women do not have the necessary competencies to comment valuably on a sport they are dedicated to, while at the same time, accepting views of managers who were at best poor, if not players at all. They feel women would be best placed doing what they deem woman things, shopping, or doing embroidery, or nagging. Let's be honest, posters such as I am a Moran would be anhiliated if they started that shopping and embroidery crap in a workplace today.

cj maxx · 09-03-2020 1:51am

FunLover18 wrote: »

What's your point? Alex Scott has career spanning more than ten years. What aspect of the men's game do you think she shouldn't be able to comprehend?

Because the level Alex Scott played for 10years is still far far short/different from the professional men's game. The physical aspect and pressure being under the glare of the worlds media.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 1:53am

anewme wrote:

Do you really think it was 'a joke'?

anewme wrote:

Why do you think baiting people by making sexist comments should not be challenged, but the people who challenge the sexist comments should be challenged themselves.?

anewme wrote:

The pundit game can be a popularity contest. It's nothing to do with sport. Do you think Dunphy or Linekar or Kerr were ever the besth of players?

anewme wrote:

Do you believe the Williams sisters are not fit to comment on tennis?

anewme wrote:

The pundits role to engage the public (men and women) and extend viewing numbers. This skill is more about personality rather than being the best competitor the world. You dont need to be the best player in the world at any sport to be adequately able to discuss it in a value added manner.

anewme wrote:

People here believe women do not have the necessary competencies to comment valuably on a sport they are dedicated to, while at the same time, accepting views of managers who were at best poor, if not players at all. They feel women would be best placed doing what they deem woman things, shopping, or doing embroidery, or nagging. Let's be honest, posters such as I am a Moran would be anhiliated if they started that crap in a workplace today.

You ask a lot of questions. Can you answer mine first before I tackle any more of yours?

Are you in favour of "positive" discrimination or do you think it's sexism to get a job purely because of your sex and not your ability?

anewme · 09-03-2020 2:00am

Ironicname wrote: »

You ask a lot of questions. Can you answer mine first before I tackle any more of yours?

Are you in favour of "positive" discrimination or do you think it's sexism to get a job purely because of your sex and not your ability?

I answered in my post if you read it.

A pundits job is to engage the public. The public are men and women. The pundits need to understand the mechanics of the sport, not win gold medals on it personally.

Likewise, the most popular and successful popstars are not those with the best singing ability.

FunLover18 · 09-03-2020 2:01am

The Orb wrote: »

Nominally it's the "same" game but you can't compare a professional career in women's football played in front of crowds in the hundreds with the elite level men's game. No doubt that some ex elite level pros are poor pundits but there is no doubt that any of the females that are appearing on TV now are pure tokens. None of them played a game that is even remotely like the premier league. Even if they know the rules and the tactics that doesn't qualify them to be there. Plenty of people know the theory, that doesn't mean you can talk about elite level participation. Watching panels with successful ex pros having to discuss a game with some token female is a joke, does anyone think that the lads take her seriously, how could they, she has no point of reference or cv. Frankly this sudden imposition of women into the men's game is a joke to satisfy some misguided equality agenda, none of them are there on merit, any achievements they had in the game were at a much much much lower level.

But again I'll ask what I asked a previous poster, what aspect of the men's game would someone like Alex Scott struggle to comprehend? Where is she lacking in analytical ability?

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 2:02am

anewme wrote:

I answered in my post if you read it.

You didn't.

I'll ask again, are you in favour of "positive" discrimination?

Strumms · 09-03-2020 2:03am

cjmc wrote: »

Because the level Alex Scott played for 10years is still far far short/different from the professional men's game

but, in fairness look how many male commentators and pundits have forged successful and respected careers for years, commentating on world cups, premier league and major international tournaments without ever having graced those lofty echelons of the game themselves yet they still manage to color, inform and indeed entertain... Mark Bright no international caps can be seen for instance informing and informed on football from internationals down...

FunLover18 · 09-03-2020 2:04am

Blueshoe wrote: »

More than 10 years in the game. To be honest iv never heard of her. She might have been at the top of her level but that's on a par with sky sports hiring a pundit who played national League 3 for half a season on loan from a club in Gibraltar.

It's just tokenism. Clearly. But that's the way it is now. Hopefully there is no pay gap between her and Gary lineker

Ok but without belittling her career, where does she fall short from a punditry perspective?

anewme · 09-03-2020 2:06am

Ironicname wrote: »

You didn't.

I'll ask again, are you in favour of "positive" discrimination?

I answered already on the topic at hand and quality of punditry. Take it or leave it.

Or maybe focus on the people who think women are best suited to shopping, embroidery and nagging, rather than making excuses fir them. These ingrained beliefs are the ones which need to be challenged at source in order to create a level playing field.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 2:17am

anewme wrote:

I answered already on the topic at hand and quality of punditry. Take it or leave it.

No you didn't. But you are unwilling to answer so I will leave it.

anewme wrote:

Or maybe focus on the people who think women are best suited to shopping, embroidery and nagging. These beliefs are the ones which need to be challenged at source in order to create a level playing field.

Stereotypes exist for both men and women and again, it's for a reason. Usually because they are activities that are USUALLY favoured by a specific sex. The MAJORITY of football players/supporters are male. That doesn't mean that some women don't like it. My daughter likes football but out of her whole class, she is the only one. The majority of women would be more interested in shopping than football. That isn't sexist.

What level playing field are you looking for? What laws or opportunities are not afforded to women that are to men?

Are you saying you want people to not acknowledge that females and males are different?

In fairness, you are doing little to disprove the nagging aspect. (Joke)

anewme · 09-03-2020 2:29am

Ironicname wrote: »

No you didn't. But you are unwilling to answer so I will leave it.

Stereotypes exist for both men and women and again, it's for a reason. Usually because they are activities that are USUALLY favoured by a specific sex. The MAJORITY of football players/supporters are male. That doesn't mean that some women don't like it. My daughter likes football but out of her whole class, she is the only one. The majority of women would be more interested in shopping than football. That isn't sexist.

What level playing field are you looking for? What laws or opportunities are not afforded to women that are to men?

Are you saying you want people to not acknowledge that females and males are different?

In fairness, you are doing little to disprove the nagging aspect. (Joke)

Ive zero interest in shopping or football. You don"t have to pick either. It's not Daddy or Chips.

I've zero interest in nagging (joke or otherwise).

Stereotypes should be broken down. They dont add value.

Women are perfectly comfortable and competent to do the job of any of their male counterparts should they wish to do so. Spreading hate such as they sound like fishwives is done by those who feel threatened by a confident, competent woman. The majority of people( men or women) have no issue with this.

ArnoldJRimmer · 09-03-2020 2:29am

If we're going to go down the road of people having to have played the game to a top level to be taken seriously in punditry, I'm interested to hear what relevance playing second division football for Millwall in the late 1960's has to the modern game. Or playing with Meath in the 1980's, on a team which contained a free taker who allegedly smoked 40 a day.

While there is a vast chasm in quality between womens and mens sports in a lot of cases, a recently retired camogie player is going to have more insight into modern coaching methods and tactics than some auld lad going on about a team needing 'more passion and hunger in the second half.'

Some female analysts are good, some not so much, but unless they question them about the various penis sizes of their team-mates, they are probably able to discuss the game at hand.

Ironicname · 09-03-2020 2:35am

anewme wrote:

Women are perfectly comfortable and competent to do the job of any of their male counterparts should they wish to do so. Spreading hate such as they sound like fishwives is done by those who feel threatened by a confident, competent woman. The majority of people( men or women) have no issue with this.

The majority of women aren't comfortable or competent enough to do the job of the majority of men over various industries/jobs. And vice versa. Certain roles tend to suit a specific sex. Sure, everyone should be afforded the opportunity to interview for any position but they should not be given any favouritism for the sake of inclusivity or equality. THAT is sexism.

anewme · 09-03-2020 2:43am

Ironicname wrote: »

The majority of women aren't comfortable or competent enough to do the job of the majority of men over various industries/jobs. And vice versa. Certain roles tend to suit a specific sex. Sure, everyone should be afforded the opportunity to interview for any position but they should not be given any favouritism for the sake of inclusivity or equality. THAT is sexism.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'certain roles tend to suit a specific sex."

Discrimination on the grounds of sex is illegal.

Token women commentators in men’rt

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