Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 9:25pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

It's all a bit random.

Your friend should have been self isolating though.

They all live together.

Risteard81 · 26-10-2020 9:26pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
All of them tested negative, twice.
I'm very confused.

She could be a false positive? Or simply isn't very contagious? Or they are immune?

bb1234567 · 26-10-2020 9:26pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
All of them tested negative, twice.
I'm very confused.

Perhaps the two contacts were already infected earlier in the year and are immune

hawkwing · 26-10-2020 9:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wife had something similar a couple of weeks back, started with the hives, followed by breathing being tight and then the cough started. Never linked the hives to the respiratory symptoms which she assumed were asthma related but she got tested and was negative for Covid. Maybe was some other virus going around

Scabies

26-10-2020 9:30pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
All of them tested negative, twice.
I'm very confused.

Were they symptomatic? Asymptomatic spread is a thing, and one of the factors in complicating control measures but not near as likely as some think l, with pre symptomatic being a far more common driver of spread

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 9:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Were they symptomatic? Asymptomatic spread is a thing, and one of the factors in complicating control measures but not near as likely as some think l, with pre symptomatic being a far more common driver of spread

She was ridiculously sick. Didn't get out of bed for 4 days.

26-10-2020 9:32pm

hawkwing wrote: »

Scabies

Oh look the funniest guy on the internet. So funny, so very very funny

khalessi · 26-10-2020 9:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wife had something similar a couple of weeks back, started with the hives, followed by breathing being tight and then the cough started. Never linked the hives to the respiratory symptoms which she assumed were asthma related but she got tested and was negative for Covid. Maybe was some other virus going around

Sounds like shingles. Hope she is feeling better.

Where were they located? Were they sore?

solan · 26-10-2020 9:41pm

Hi all,

I have to travel home from Scotland next week, coming from Shetland via Belfast and on to Sligo. Its essential travel / compassionate grounds as my Mam is very ill. I am coming from an almost Covid free area and will quarentine for two weeks before seeing anyone.

I'm trying to figure out if I need to fill in a Passenger Locator Form. The fact I am flying from Shetland in to Belfast, and then driving from Belfast to Sligo means I am officially, coming in to the Republic from NI and it seems to say because of that , I dont need to fill one in.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks ðŸ‘

26-10-2020 9:42pm

khalessi wrote: »

Sounds like shingles. Hope she is feeling better.

Where were they located? Were they sore?

She is pretty sure it was a food allergy allergy, and quite probable was the same thing that triggered her asthma which is usually triggered by certain allergens. I thought it was interesting that poster was describing similar symptoms and wondered may it have been a different virus doing the rounds. She is all good thanks. Back out running

manniot2 · 26-10-2020 9:48pm

solan wrote: »

Hi all,

I have to travel home from Scotland next week, coming from Shetland via Belfast and on to Sligo. Its essential travel / compassionate grounds as my Mam is very ill. I am coming from an almost Covid free area and will quarentine for two weeks before seeing anyone.

I'm trying to figure out if I need to fill in a Passenger Locator Form. The fact I am flying from Shetland in to Belfast, and then driving from Belfast to Sligo means I am officially, coming in to the Republic from NI and it seems to say because of that , I dont need to fill one in.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks ðŸ‘

sorry to hear your news. dont think u need to fill anything in.

Russman · 26-10-2020 9:48pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
All of them tested negative, twice.
I'm very confused.

There was a study/report, might have been linked on here several pages ago, or on one of the other threads, suggesting that something like 20/30% of people are responsible for 80% of the spread and for whatever reason, some people act as superspreaders and some barely spread it at all. It was very much in the “more work work required” sphere, but maybe there’s something to it.

Friend of mine lives with his 3 teenage kids - one of the kids got it (with symptoms) and my friend and the other two kids all tested negative twice and never got it. It’s a weird virus.

440Hertz · 26-10-2020 9:51pm

solan wrote: »

Hi all,

I have to travel home from Scotland next week, coming from Shetland via Belfast and on to Sligo. Its essential travel / compassionate grounds as my Mam is very ill. I am coming from an almost Covid free area and will quarentine for two weeks before seeing anyone.

I'm trying to figure out if I need to fill in a Passenger Locator Form. The fact I am flying from Shetland in to Belfast, and then driving from Belfast to Sligo means I am officially, coming in to the Republic from NI and it seems to say because of that , I dont need to fill one in.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Thanks ðŸ‘

All of the details are here.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ab900-covid-19-passenger-locator-form/

I'm not sure if they'd consider traveling THROUGH Northern Ireland as travelling FROM Northern Ireland. It's not really defined and I guess it would need clarification either by the government or in a court case to clear it up.

If you're self-isolating anyway, I wouldn't really see why you wouldn't fill it in to be on the safe side, as you sound like you are basically using a backdoor route, rather than actually travelling from NI. It isn't going to bring any more onerous requirements upon you anyway, but it just means if there is an issue there's a track and trace in place.

For all intents and purposes, whether you took a ferry to Belfast or Dublin makes no difference to the virus.

I Am The Law · 26-10-2020 9:58pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Northern Ireland is in a different country to the Republic of Ireland.
For real legal purposes related to coronavirus restrictions.
Just flagging this to other posters that this distinction is lost on some posters on this thread.

Just got rid of the binge drinking and you dig this up.

440Hertz · 26-10-2020 9:59pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Northern Ireland is in a different country to the Republic of Ireland.
For real legal purposes related to coronavirus restrictions.
Just flagging this to other posters that this distinction is lost on some posters on this thread.

To head off another discussion about the constitutional position of Northern Ireland and whether or not the border exists: It's a different jurisdiction on the Island of Ireland. In terms of identity for many people it's the same country (and with Irish citizenship rights for those who want them) but for all practical and legal purposes, with reference to COVID-19 it's a different jurisdiction with different laws, health authorities, regulations and is also now outside the EU, albeit pending the end of the transition period which has kept things going as per normal until 31/01/2021.

They are simply allowing normal freedom of movement across the border for residents of either jurisdiction and it's definitely up in the air as to how that's supposed to work.

Now can we get back to discussion of COVID.

odyssey06 · 26-10-2020 10:00pm

I Am The Law wrote: »

Just got rid of the binge drinking and you to dig this up.

I don't want to dig anything up.
But if someone asks about coming through N Ireland and another poster replies on the presumption this is one jurisdiction it needs to be flagged.

ax530 · 26-10-2020 10:05pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Just talking to my mother earlier today.

She said she had a headache and tiredness the past few weeks.

Headache and fatigue are key symptoms of covid. I don't think enough people are aware of that. Not everyone develops cough or fever.

I know people who tested positive due to close contact, fatigue, light headed only symptom thankfully. No high temp or cough. Advised you and mother are tested so can isolate and contact trace

JP Liz V1 · 26-10-2020 10:08pm

341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

38 now in ICU

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 10:10pm

ax530 wrote: »

I know people who tested positive due to close contact, fatigue, light headed only symptom thankfully. No high temp or cough. Advised you and mother are tested so can isolate and contact trace

Thank you.

I advised her to get tested, but she said the symptoms went away a few days ago.

JP Liz V1 · 26-10-2020 10:11pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I woke this morning with itchy bites or hives everywhere. My breathing is a little tight, but not much. Now i have sniffles a bit. Feeling a little off, or maybe just paranoid.

I'll see how i feel tomorrow, but going to stay at home for now.

Take care and if worried speak to your GP

marno21 · 26-10-2020 10:13pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

38 now in ICU

Almost every hospital total posted here in the last few days has has been the highest since May. There's a lag between infection, onset of symptoms, hospitalisation and ICU admission. The hospital figures will peak several weeks after the peak in case numbers so we have some way to run there yet.

I would be guessing that hospitalisation figures will peak around early to mid November, but that is dependent on how many of the current cases are related to outbreaks within hospitals that will not follow the trajectory of the infection itself.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 10:13pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Take care and if worried speak to your GP

Thanks. Im still unsure if it's anything at all, but will stay at home and contact my GP if i feel worse. The GP is really under pressure. Took me a few attempts to contact the surgery last week (by phone, for a script) .

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 10:17pm

marno21 wrote: »

Almost every hospital total posted here in the last few days has has been the highest since May. There's a lag between infection, onset of symptoms, hospitalisation and ICU admission. The hospital figures will peak several weeks after the peak in case numbers so we have some way to run there yet.

I would be guessing that hospitalisation figures will peak around early to mid November, but that is dependent on how many of the current cases are related to outbreaks within hospitals that will not follow the trajectory of the infection itself.

There is quite a lag.

I see also that UK are reporting deaths only for those within 28 days of a positive test. That's excluding a lot of deaths. Their figures are rubbish.

Risteard81 · 26-10-2020 10:19pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

There is quite a lag.

I see also that UK are reporting deaths only for those within 28 days of a positive test. That's excluding a lot of deaths. Their figures are rubbish.

They're including plenty of nonsense deaths. Under their rules if you faced a firing squad within 28 days of a positive test you would be classed as a COVID death.

Away With The Fairies · 26-10-2020 10:20pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They all live together.

Wow. I'm very confused with this whole thing. What is going on?

I know, stupid question when people are just as confused as I am.

Strumms · 26-10-2020 10:24pm

owlbethere wrote: »

There was no need for a level 5. Level 3 would ha e been more than enough.

I’m sure doctors, nurses, virologists, and the vast array of other medical and hospital staff would agree with you wholeheartedly, not. :rolleyes:

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 10:24pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

38 now in ICU

Bank holiday weekend - no discharges. Would expect that number to drop significantly on Wednesday.

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 10:24pm

That Irish study with spread on a plane has gone international. Added to the corpus of evidence of infection on planes at this stage. Again this is not the main issue. It's when people get off the plane. Never the less our own public health professionals and the National Virus Reference Laboratory lab should be commended for going where no politician would dare. Hopefully they don't face any consequences for not toeing the party line. It may not be China but people have been disappeared professionally here when big business have been reported on in the past.

@WhistleIRL springs to mind.

https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1320822529821495297?s=20

Widdensushi · 26-10-2020 10:25pm

Did I read earlier that 45% of covid cases in hospital went in to hospital without it?

leanin2019 · 26-10-2020 10:27pm

BringBackMick wrote: »

Are people on bikes able to get by the restrictions?

Some of the most pro lockdown people on my social media posting pictures from the likes of Howth and Bray

People are muppets

exemption for professional athletes?

bb1234567 · 26-10-2020 10:30pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

There is quite a lag.

I see also that UK are reporting deaths only for those within 28 days of a positive test. That's excluding a lot of deaths. Their figures are rubbish.

The died within 28 days of testing positive thing has to be the most absolutely illogical and senseless method of death counting that could be dreamed up

Some somebody could recover and have a heart attack nearly a month later and they are a covid death in the U.K.
Another covid patient who struggled for 29 days in icu before succumbing is not counted as a covid death

Who tf made this system . Why would not just count hospital deaths and then have a coroner decide whether covid was the cause or not of the positive death like we do

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 10:31pm

solan wrote: »

I

I've actually been living in Scotland for almost two decades, it's not that I've just nipped away for the weekend, and its why I'm questioning what the procedure is because there are legal requirements and penalties around travelling from the UK to Ireland.

It would appear as if there's no need to fill out the form but if you are going to quarantine for 14 days on arrival I would do so anyway as it can't hurt to complete the form.

What Username Guidelines · 26-10-2020 10:47pm

BringBackMick wrote: »

Are people on bikes able to get by the restrictions?

Some of the most pro lockdown people on my social media posting pictures from the likes of Howth and Bray

People are muppets

I was stopped at a checkpoint on a bike. Couple of cars in front of me, Garda was standing by the kerb so wasn’t sure what to do. Just got in line with the cars and he asked me all the same questions, how far I was from home and why I was >5km away, etc.

robbiezero · 26-10-2020 10:50pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The way i look at that is to estimate what are the chances of a random person who died but happened to be covid +, well it would be less than one in a hundred.

So if that policy were skewing figures, it would be by less than one percent.

If we went and tested 10000 people at random would we expect less than 100 positives at the current time?

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 10:55pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

The died within 28 days of testing positive thing has to be the most absolutely illogical and senseless method of death counting that could be dreamed up

Some somebody could recover and have a heart attack nearly a month later and they are a covid death in the U.K.
Another covid patient who struggled for 29 days in icu before succumbing is not counted as a covid death

Who tf made this system . Why would not just count hospital deaths and then have a coroner decide whether covid was the cause or not of the positive death like we do

I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 10:57pm

robbiezero wrote: »

If we went and tested 10000 people at random would we expect less than 100 positives at the current time?

Yes. Sky news had community testing figures recently whereby the highest figure in some city was 1% of the population currently have active infection. Most other areas a lot less.

Widdensushi · 26-10-2020 10:58pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

How much is the death toll above average in Ireland this year?

bb1234567 · 26-10-2020 10:59pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I can only conclude that it is a way of disguising the death toll.

In what sense? In the UK with this methodology there are absolutely covid deaths being discounted but also non covid deaths being included simultaneously

It won't have a major impact, somebody is unlikely to take 28 days to die after testing positive and the average person who tests positive but recovers is extremely unlikely to die within the next 28 days of another cause of death but it just adds needless confusion and misunderstanding

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 11:00pm

Widdensushi wrote: »

How much is the death toll above average in Ireland this year?

Excess deaths? I don't know.

One thing we have witnessed though is decreased excess deaths after the first wave, as a lot of the elderly died earlier, because of covid.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 11:03pm

bb1234567 wrote: »

In what sense? In the UK with this methodology there are absolutely covid deaths being discounted but also non covid deaths being included simultaneously

Yeah, i replied about the latter in my previous post. In my opinion it would seem that the underestimation by this counting method is far greater than the overestimation by what you describe.

Risteard81 · 26-10-2020 11:03pm

440Hertz wrote: »

That's not correct

If you fly into Dublin and intend to go to Northern Ireland you are required to fill in portion of the locator form, which is sent to Northern Ireland. (sic)

You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

amadangomor · 26-10-2020 11:06pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks. Im still unsure if it's anything at all, but will stay at home and contact my GP if i feel worse. The GP is really under pressure. Took me a few attempts to contact the surgery last week (by phone, for a script) .

The tight chest would have me wondering so would definitely contact your GP in the morning.

Don't worry about them being under pressure, will only take a few minutes for them to book you in for a test if they think it's appropriate.

bb1234567 · 26-10-2020 11:07pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, i replied about the latter in my previous post. In my opinion it would seem that the underestimation by this counting method is far greater than the overestimation by what you describe.

Perhaps, the number of people in the UK who have had COVID listed as a contributing cause of death on their death certificate is just under 60,000

Almost 15,000 higher than the official death toll which only includes those who died less than 28 days after testing positive

What a system..of course maybe some of those 15,000 simply had covid and died of something else, it's not outside the realms of reason given the age of many covid deaths, but either way it's a very unclear method of counting deaths and there is a huge room for error. The fact that UK's excess deaths are around 60,000, the same as the total number of people who died after contracting covid, does further imply that many covid deaths are being missed in the UK.

440Hertz · 26-10-2020 11:08pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

Yes it is:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54009845

Just as an example.

igCorcaigh · 26-10-2020 11:09pm

amadangomor wrote: »

The tight chest would have me wondering so would definitely contact your GP in the morning.

Don't worry about them being under pressure, will only take a few minutes for them to book you in for a test if they think it's appropriate.

Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.

Necro · 26-10-2020 11:09pm

Risteard81 wrote:

You have to fill it in, but it's not enforceable nor is there any law permitting them to check up on you. Quarantine does not apply in any legally-enforceable sense.

Once again you're wrong but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story huh

amadangomor · 26-10-2020 11:19pm

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Thanks. I'll see how i feel tomorrow. I would feel stupid for overreacting and taking up resources.
Im going to stay at home. Ive only been out for shopping anyway.

I was feeling the same when I had a cough a few weeks back but did the right thing and self isolated and rang doctor.

Was 99% sure it was a cold causing the cough but was enough for the Doctor to put me forward.

Testing is not just to find positive cases it is used to eliminate the possibility that the person has Covid and get them back out of isolation ASAP.

Irish Steve · 26-10-2020 11:25pm

owlbethere wrote: »

I reckon the doom and gloom merchants are fairly disappointed about the numbers coming down. They want to live in lockdown forever. The government should have sat tight at the level 3 or at least tried the level 4 for a week or 2.

And just maybe, it's nothing to do with the doom and gloom merchants, and everything to do with the unfortunate fact that NPHET etc had advance warning of the case numbers going through the roof in Meath and Cavan as a result of some of the stupidity that went on in those 2 counties, and complete closedown was the only way to stop it becoming a complete disaster. As it is, the numbers in Meath went over 1000 per 100K last week, that's way beyong unsustainable for all sorts of reasons.

Cavan is still treble the national average, Meath is still double the national average, they are starting to go down at last, but it's going to take time.

coastwatch · 26-10-2020 11:28pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Friend of mine tested positive a week and a half ago. Contacts have been tested twice now - 2 of them including her cousin have been with her every single day before and since her test.
All of them tested negative, twice.
I'm very confused.

It seems that outcome is more common than we might think, and supports the theory of "super spreaders" , where it's believed as little as 20% of cases are responsible for 80% of transmissions.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/k-overlooked-variable-driving-pandemic/616548/

CoronaBlocker · 26-10-2020 11:28pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

341 now in hospital that is highest since 20th of May

38 now in ICU

What were the case numbers at that time and how do they equate to today?

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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