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Gang attack Garda in Drogheda

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  • #152
    Sharp MZ700
    Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Sharp MZ700


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You really are a drama queen. There was no risk to life and limb so get over yourself. The street in question is very close to the Garda station. Yeah it is a much ado, any Saturday night can involve similar types of anti-social behaviour.

    No risk to life but it's ok to reef a Garda from eye to chin. I see. My last with you.


  • #153
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sharp MZ700 wrote: »
    No risk to life but it's ok to reef a Garda from eye to chin. I see. My last with you.
    I can't say it's any loss to me. You have a nice life now.:)


  • #154
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    The actual problem is anti-social behaviour, under resourced police force & lack of prison space which leads to non-sentences.

    The skin colour of any of the myriad scumbags around Ireland does not matter.
    Hope the cop is okay.


  • #155
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,169 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You really are a drama queen. There was no risk to life and limb so get over yourself. The street in question is very close to the Garda station. Yeah it is a much ado, any Saturday night can involve similar types of anti-social behaviour.

    Sure it is only kicks to the head from 5 lads.

    No big deal.


  • #156
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    The actual problem is anti-social behaviour, under resourced police force & lack of prison space which leads to non-sentences.

    The skin colour of any of the myriad scumbags around Ireland does not matter.
    Hope the cop is okay.
    Prison space is not going to help with this age group. Minor injury despite the lots of blood hysteria. Louth Meath was under-resourced but they sent 25 newbies from Templemore to Drogheda.


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  • #157
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Danzy wrote: »
    Sure it is only kicks to the head from 5 lads.

    No big deal.
    Well five lads can do that anywhere but it's only likely to be of interest to locals. As an incident it really is nothing, behaviourwise unacceptable.


  • #158
    alta stare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭alta stare


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Because their parents don't provide any kind of authoritative control at home and so, when they encounter Gardaí, they don't have any respect for the authority they have.





    Unlikely, it wouldn't be reported anywhere. Garda assaults simply don't make the news very often.






    It seems to only cause outrage when black kids are involved. The last stats showed that between two and three Gardaí are injured per day. Where's the outrage? In the last few weeks, two Gardaí have been dragged along by cars. Where are the threads full of these folks concerned for Gardaí?

    But im not outraged just as i am not surprised. It seems to be you are the outraged one.


  • #159
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Because their parents don't provide any kind of authoritative control at home and so, when they encounter Gardaí, they don't have any respect for the authority they have.





    Unlikely, it wouldn't be reported anywhere. Garda assaults simply don't make the news very often.



    Its your opinion so.


    It seems to only cause outrage when black kids are involved. The last stats showed that between two and three Gardaí are injured per day. Where's the outrage? In the last few weeks, two Gardaí have been dragged along by cars. Where are the threads full of these folks concerned for Gardaí?

    Did you check who was involved in the dragging of the guards last week?


  • #160
    Sir Oxman
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Prison space is not going to help with this age group. Minor injury despite the lots of blood hysteria. Louth Meath was under-resourced but they sent 25 newbies from Templemore to Drogheda.


    More youth detention space.


  • #161
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    Did you check who was involved in the dragging of the guards last week?
    Drug dealers/makers. https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-dublin-8-arrest-4749013-Aug2019/


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  • #162
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    If it was 1 random teenager attacking a Guard I'd understand, but a gang that's not general anti- social behavior, that's a new issue. Its the fact they seem to hangout in such big numbers, you don't see generally Irish kids of 13 hanging out with 17 year olds.




    Not true.
    Older gangs usually use the younger kids to do the dirty as they can't be touched.


  • #163
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    More youth detention space.
    They tend to avoid detention save for those perceived to be really bad ones. Despite the offence this one might cause it wouldn't count.


  • #164
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They tend to avoid detention save for those perceived to be really bad ones. Despite the offence this one might cause it wouldn't count.


    They avoid detention because there isn't enough space.


  • #165
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Not true.
    Older gangs usually use the younger kids to do the dirty as they can't be touched.
    There is currently discussion on how to legally address this. I've seen some suggestions that they may try to tie it into child abuse legislation.


  • #166
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    They avoid detention because there isn't enough space.
    Generally not that simple. They don't lock up every juvenile miscreant, they never have. Intervention is favoured where possible. Once they are over 16 they are potentially exposed to the adult system and that stops quite a lot of them.


  • #167
    Thespoofer
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    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    A Garda being assaulted has never happened before?

    No.
    The fact that a well known 'gang' whom are causing trouble for quite some time now with apparent immunity hopefully this event might be a catalyst for some change.


  • #168
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    A few lads are discussing this incident over and another site also.

    https://www.politicalirish.com/threads/garda-attacked-in-drogheda-by-balbriggan-gang.31722/

    Interesting to get another perspective.


  • #169
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Not true.
    Older gangs usually use the younger kids to do the dirty as they can't be touched.

    I don't ever see it, its drug gangs that use younger kids, this isn't a drug gang, very rare to see you g Irish kids hanging out with older kids.


  • #170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

    Interesting to get another perspective.

    Interesting comments


  • #171
    Thespoofer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    amadangomor wrote: »
    The Gardai do not try and sentence suspects. The judiciary are failing the Gardai with suspended sentences recently for assaults on them.

    A lot of the judges in this country live in some sort of unicorn,rainbow land not connected to reality.

    I know. But maybe a little 'firmer' treatment of these scumbags before it gets to sentencing is maybe what's needed.


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  • #172
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Generally not that simple. They don't lock up every juvenile miscreant, they never have. Intervention is favoured where possible. Once they are over 16 they are potentially exposed to the adult system and that stops quite a lot of them.


    I undertsand that but for the likes of this assault, detention and loss of liberty should be pretty much assured.
    And that's not even taking into account the victim was a cop.


  • #173
    maddog
    Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭maddog


    Ah the ‘New Irish ‘ for any off you who wants to see your future just type in ‘Apex Gang’ into YouTube and see what our Australian friends have been dealing with!
    Now imagine Leo’s Ireland 2040 plan to bring in another 660,000 ‘New Irish’ and then add the UN’s ‘Replacement Migrantion plan’ where the plan is migration of up to 1 million per year into Ireland and you’ll soon reliase...... we are F**ked!


    Inb4 “you’re racists’ “Replacement Migration plan” signed by 127 countries on the 12th of December 2018 in Marikesh, Morocco.


  • #174
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Drug dealers/makers. https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-dublin-8-arrest-4749013-Aug2019/

    What nationalities?


  • #175
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Gardaí have been up against this kind of stuff for a long time. Why is it suddenly such a big issue when black kids are involved?

    Because we had no legal / EU obligation to take in Africans.
    They were allowed in to attempt to have a better life and they are biting the hand that feeds them.

    I've been directly attacked by an African myself, he didn't even probation... nothing.

    The problem is only going to get worse when you hear some of the pathetic liberal apologists here.


  • #176
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Interesting comments
    Oh yeah, thoughtful as ever!


  • #177
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    What nationalities?
    Well, I see drug dealers so I say scumbag!


  • #178
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    iebamm2580 wrote: »
    What nationalities?


    Brazilian? Going by their names in paper.


  • #179
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    I undertsand that but for the likes of this assault, detention and loss of liberty should be pretty much assured.
    And that's not even taking into account the victim was a cop.
    This would probably be classified as a public order offence, as the linked article states. Those things get a withering word from the judge and a rap on the knuckles at most.


  • #180
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    is_that_so wrote: »
    This would probably be classified as a public order offence, as the linked article states. Those things get a withering word from the judge and a rap on the knuckles at most.


    How??
    Seriously, it's violent assault.
    And on a frontline member of the police force!


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  • #181
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    How??
    Seriously, it's violent assault.
    And on a frontline member of the police force!
    From that article.
    Gardaí attended an incident of Public Order on West St Drogheda. The incident involving a large group of people, occurred on the 9th August 2019 at approximately 9.30pm at a premises and continued onto West St.


  • #182
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    is_that_so wrote: »
    From that article.


    Feck the article.
    It is plainly assault on the cop.


    This is where we go wrong.


  • #183
    circadian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭circadian


    New Irish.

    theliberal.ie


  • #184
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Feck the article.
    It is plainly assault on the cop.


    This is where we go wrong.
    That quote is from Gardai.
    Public Order Act covers a whole lot of things.

    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_offences/public_order_offenses_in_ireland.html


  • #185
    iebamm2580
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭iebamm2580


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Brazilian? Going by their names in paper.

    Yes my point is immigrants have no respect for the guards. Even fat Freddie wouldn't have done that, if this was a Polish gang I'd be as angry its the fact the state gives them souch and this is how they treat the country, similar how I have sympathy for Australians when Irish scum act the bollix.


  • #186
    bryaner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭bryaner


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Have you ever been to either? Reports on this suggest they were not local.

    Live in Navan and work in Drogheda so I kinda know them both well


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  • #187
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Feck the article.
    It is plainly assault on the cop.


    This is where we go wrong.

    Look don't be silly this is only a minor disturbance.
    Also there was no gang it was just a group of lads that were acting a bit silly a quick word from the local sergeant and I am sure these boys will be sent to bed early without any supper.

    That Guards have real problems to deal with without people like you trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    Lots of people not paying their TV licence plus lots of people saying naughty things on social media.

    Sure the other forum I like to visit Political Irish is great but a lot of people there are saying naughty things the horror.:(


  • #188
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,156 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Sonny noggs wrote:
    That statistic is racist. It should be banned.


    I don't know about racist but the statistic is totally made up


  • #189
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,156 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Sonny noggs wrote:
    Back to Africa please.

    doylefe wrote:
    Off back with their non-working parents to the Congo.


    You do realise that you can't do that to Irish born citizens? This is the very reason why we have to take back the Irish isis bride and her child. Her child wasn't even born in Ireland


  • #190
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    alta stare wrote: »
    But im not outraged just as i am not surprised. It seems to be you are the outraged one.


    I'm pretty pissed off alright. Gardaí been getting hammered all over the place for ages and now you've got the usual racists trying to use this incident to push their anti black agenda.

    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Because we had no legal / EU obligation to take in Africans.
    They were allowed in to attempt to have a better life and they are biting the hand that feeds them.

    I've been directly attacked by an African myself, he didn't even probation... nothing.

    The problem is only going to get worse when you hear some of the pathetic liberal apologists here.


    So basically what you are saying is that black people committing crimes is more heinous because we were benevolent enough to let the people they descended from into our country. I bet you don't think that you are racist either.


  • #191
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,156 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I'm not excusing any violence but the pubs licence needs to be looked at too. A golden rule is never ever take 18th birthday party bookings unless you have assurances from older family members. An unsupervised 18th birthday party organised by an 18 year old will typically have a huge amount of underaged drinkers. Management seems to have allowed it to become a rave rather than a birthday party


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  • #192
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    If the laws change it could be done

    My preference is the criminal and their entire family are sent back

    It’ll make these clowns think twice before even dropping a crisp packet on the street


    How many generations of a family would you punish?


  • #193
    madalig12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,557 ✭✭✭madalig12


    5 released without charge


  • #194
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    If the laws change it could be done

    My preference is the criminal and their entire family are sent back

    It’ll make these clowns think twice before even dropping a crisp packet on the street

    So racist.:mad:

    Just because an entire family is on welfare and their children are causing havoc you think we as a nation are not enriched.:confused:

    People like you saying mean things about these children when all they really need is a youth club and a Playstation each.

    We need to increase levels of welfare to help these people fit in better and if they commit a crime move them to a bigger house.

    Before long they will realise how nice we are and they will feel guilty and start working the butts off to thank us.

    Just think areas like Foxrock have so much to offer and I am sure these people would thrive in areas like that.:)

    See that is the real problem with immigration we have not fully embraced the enrichment setting up welcome centres in posh areas would show our new arrivals a lifestyle to aspire to.

    Areas like Foxrock are pale and stale I am sure the residents already living there would be delighted to give these people a guiding hand.

    Putting our new arrivals in social housing in areas that already have high unemployment is racist anyway.

    Maybe somebody like Pat Kenny could get onboard with this and show us all by example.
    Dublin 4 has a lot to teach us all.


  • #195
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Absolutely not racist

    How dare you

    I happen to think that if ANYONE comes to settle in Ireland they should face deportation if convicted.

    Read carefully what I have written.:D


  • #196
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,647 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    If the laws change it could be done

    My preference is the criminal and their entire family are sent back

    It’ll make these clowns think twice before even dropping a crisp packet on the street

    Should you be punished if your brother/sister/father/mother commits a crime?


  • #197
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    The parents and siblings and any of their kids


    So three generations of a family punished for the actions of one person born. I think North Korea runs a similar policy.


  • #198
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Should you be punished if your brother/sister/father/mother commits a crime?


    Logically, he believes he should be deported to Africa.


  • #199
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Wir ziehen uns die Stiefel an
    Und schnren sie uns zu
    Rasieren unsere Kpfe
    Und schlagen sie uns ein
    Das ist ein Skinhead
    Wartend auf den Kampf
    Skinheads, Skinheads
    Ziehen durch die Stadt


  • #200
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,647 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    If u are a migrant and know the rules then yes

    I would make sure the new laws were published and make it clear what will happen if a migrant is found guilty in court after due process

    But if they are born in Ireland they are not migrants they are irish citizens who happen to be the children of migrants.

    So what we have in your little racist fantasy world is

    1. Irish teen breaks the law
    2. Teen goes to court and is found guilty.
    3. Teen is deported to another country.
    4. Teens parents, siblings, nieces, nephews are all deported with him as extra punishment?


  • #201
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    nthclare wrote: »
    Wir ziehen uns die Stiefel an
    Und schnren sie uns zu
    Rasieren unsere Kpfe
    Und schlagen sie uns ein
    Das ist ein Skinhead
    Wartend auf den Kampf
    Skinheads, Skinheads
    Ziehen durch die Stadt

    161.jpg


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