Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

banie01 · 12-04-2021 11:20am

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

I worked in a sales role previosuly in the office and initially came in wearing jeans and fleeces. I was pulled into the managers office and lambasted for my appearance being told 'Don't dress for the job you're in, dress for the job you want'.

Thats all well and good....
Untill you show up at work dressed as Batman! Or better yet a male stripper :P

I do think lockdown is going to change a few attitudes regarding "formal" work wear tho, and in a lot of roles its no bad thing.

Cyrus · 12-04-2021 11:28am

banie01 wrote: »

Thats all well and good....
Untill you show up at work dressed as Batman! Or better yet a male stripper :P

I do think lockdown is going to change a few attitudes regarding "formal" work wear tho, and in a lot of roles its no bad thing.

there are certain jobs where formal wear will always be required, if you have a team of lawyers working on a big transaction for whatever reason you want them to show up dresses as lawyers, not in jeans and tee shirts.

banie01 · 12-04-2021 11:40am

Wibbs wrote: »

Who's the guy in the UK? The Electric watches chap used to do pretty much all early battery stuff, but latterly seems to only do the later ESA tuning fork stuff like Omega f300's and Longines Ultronic. Which is a pity as he gets great reviews and I've sent my Longines to him twice and got great results and at a very good price.

The problem with Accutrons can be the modern batteries and their voltages. That sounds like it could be the case with your Astronaut. Here's an adaptor that should fix it. IIRC there is a fix that involves some change in the movement itself, but that adaptor link is worth trying first.

The batteries arrived this morning

The tone of the hum sounds a lot less angry and the removed battery was indeed at 1.5v with a spacer and no diode!
Will wear the Accutron for a while with the 1.35v setup and hope it nixes the fast running

Thanks for the diagnosis and the steer Wibbs, will let you know how successful it's been.

Wibbs · 12-04-2021 11:48am

Yay! I did good.

eljono · 13-04-2021 4:32pm

I'm probably late to the party but I've just seen the new 4 face Reverso, the Hybris Mechanica, what a stunning piece of design and engineering! I've found my grail...

Perpetual calendar
Tourbillon
Minute Repeater
Indicates when there are rare lunar events and eclipses

I'm totally smitten by it I have to say. JLC have built a very good product page you can scroll on desktop and see how the various functions work, well worth a look: https://hybrismechanicacalibre185.jaeger-lecoultre.com/en

Thirdfox · 13-04-2021 4:54pm

1.6 million euro though

(and probably long sold out being a limited edition of 10). Will be interesting to see who gets their hands on these pieces.

One other amazing thing is that all these complications fit into a "normal" Reverso case 15mm high - so an actual wearable piece versus say the grand master chime from Patek (47.7mm diameter and 16.07mm height).

eljono · 13-04-2021 7:56pm

Ah here, 1.6million, that's less a grail than a fantasy! I didn't even think to check the price, I just assumed it would be 50-100k region, something like that. Oh well, tbh even if it was that much, I still would never afford it ðŸ˜„

Yes, that thickness of the case struck me too, overall an amazing blend of design, engineering and craft.

Aph2016 · 13-04-2021 9:54pm

Hi all,

Anyone able to recommend a blue dial dress watch? I have a Tissot visodate which is great and was looking at the Tissot gentleman powermatic 80 silicium, but would be looking more along the lines of a Longines conquest automatic or Tag calibre 5.

Any recommendations?

Time · 13-04-2021 10:15pm

Aph2016 wrote: »

Hi all,

Anyone able to recommend a blue dial dress watch? I have a Tissot visodate which is great and was looking at the Tissot gentleman powermatic 80 silicium, but would be looking more along the lines of a Longines conquest automatic or Tag calibre 5.

Any recommendations?

Whats your budget? Those aren't really dress watches, but along those lines a second hand Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra would be my choice.

Aph2016 · 13-04-2021 11:25pm

Time wrote: »

Whats your budget? Those aren't really dress watches, but along those lines a second hand Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra would be my choice.

Maybe I should have said minimalistic rather than dress watch. Probably 2k budget.

893bet · 13-04-2021 11:33pm

https://nomos-glashuette.com/en/watchfinder-377?o=9&f=148%7C156#/en/tangente/tangente-38-midnight-blue-166

OldRio · 14-04-2021 8:28am

I've always liked the dark blue Seiko cocktail time. Stunning looking watch. You would also get plenty of change out of you budget.

Thirdfox · 14-04-2021 9:13am

eljono wrote: »

Ah here, 1.6million, that's less a grail than a fantasy! I didn't even think to check the price, I just assumed it would be 50-100k region, something like that. Oh well, tbh even if it was that much, I still would never afford it ðŸ˜„

Yes, that thickness of the case struck me too, overall an amazing blend of design, engineering and craft.

50-100k would probably get you one of the tourbillon, perpetual calendar or minute repeater complications from JLC

It would be a true "holy grail" though - something almost certainly impossible to achieve (barring something like Euromillions…) :P

Fitz II · 14-04-2021 9:39am

eljono wrote: »

Ah here, 1.6million, that's less a grail than a fantasy! I didn't even think to check the price, I just assumed it would be 50-100k region, something like that. Oh well, tbh even if it was that much, I still would never afford it &#55357;&#56836;

Yes, that thickness of the case struck me too, overall an amazing blend of design, engineering and craft.

These are not really meant for public consumption. Sure there will be some ultra rich collectors will get them, but the real purpose is as a masterpiece of their art. To demonstrate the brands ability to design and manufacture horology at the bleeding edge. The benefit to them is that this has a halo effect on the rest of the range and increase brand desirability. The innovations will trickle down over time to the rest of the range. The pricetag is a function of the limited production but also there to grab headlines and get people talking....job done.

eljono · 14-04-2021 9:51am

Similar tactic taken by premium car manufacturers I suppose with their concepts or uber-halo models.

I've long been a Reverso fan and would love a Grande Date at some stage so I'm already converted, but I can see how the Hybris Mechanica could potentially open the door to new audiences and position JLC as a desirable, technically advanced brand for those who aren't familiar with them and their history.

NIMAN · 14-04-2021 9:59am

Question re: importing.

If I was to buy a watch from Oz, is it subject to customs and extra charges on importation to both Ireland the Northern Ireland?

I'm assuming it would be much cheaper to import to NI.

Time · 14-04-2021 10:06am

NIMAN wrote: »

Question re: importing.

If I was to buy a watch from Oz, is it subject to customs and extra charges on importation to both Ireland the Northern Ireland?

I'm assuming it would be much cheaper to import to NI.

Definitely, whether it get stopped is another thing. If it’s any sort of high value watch source it in Europe. There’s no way such a small market like oz has a better available range than we have here

Thirdfox · 14-04-2021 12:30pm

VAT rate in NI would be lower than Ireland so yes it'd be cheaper to import into NI than Ireland.

Whether something is "caught" for customs is a different issue. Like Time states above - if someone is willing to underdeclare (illegal btw) it also means that insurance won't cover the item to its true value, just declared value.

So very much a dice roll (though possibly low risk). I can only recommend that things be declared at full value and appropriate insurance obtained.

From what I hear Oz generally has higher prices - so unless it's something really esoteric and rare, you'd probably get it cheaper from within the EU.

Aph2016 · 14-04-2021 5:19pm

Where might one find a good price for the Seiko Presage SPB167 39mm?

Thirdfox · 14-04-2021 5:34pm

Fitz II wrote: »

I am going to get a vostock to see why people buy them, as far as I can make out they have no appealing attributes....better to speak from experiance than ignorance. What one should I get and from where.

Wibbs wrote: »

Fully in house, extremely robust, innovative waterproof design, interesting history, something a bit different from the usual fare and get a good one and they're pretty accurate too. Lots of customisation options too. All for feck all money. Downsides? Too many gaudy cartooony dials(though that appeals to some), appallingly bad bracelets, though the mesh and rubber straps are pretty good I gather. The Amphibia line would be the ones I'd look to Fitz.

Adding on to what Wibbs was saying - I'd recommend an Amphibia too - but something really worn and trashy (it's never going to compare well to the finishing on your Patek) - i.e. $60 here (I say they person would take $45 probably):
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/USSR-VOSTOK-AMFIBIA-AMPHIBIAN-200M-ORIGINAL-DIVER-TONEAU-1972s/273821011865?hash=item3fc1010f99:g:OPoAAOSwb-JcXKK6

Or if you have to buy new - here's a decent one for $67 and free delivery:
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/USSR-VOSTOK-AMFIBIA-AMPHIBIAN-200M-ORIGINAL-DIVER-TONEAU-1972s/273821011865?hash=item3fc1010f99:g:OPoAAOSwb-JcXKK6

I'd recommend an Amphibia too, and a no-date since it's "quick set date" involves going back and forth between 4am and 9pm.

Afterwards you'll see that for a "tool" watch - an Amphibia hits all the right spots - feels like you could put sand inside the movement and it'll keep on ticking... the appeal of an AK47 vs a M14 rifle in Vietnam I guess.

Things like the "wobbly stem" (a feature), the massive seals (another feature to do with lack of precision machining in the USSR) and the way the watch is designed to do what needs to be done (keep relatively good time and for scuba divers) - it is worthy of entry into an horology museum just as the AK47 has entered into other museums for its design.

Oh and per my most thanked ever post on WUS - this is *THE* watch you can wear on your wrist that will almost 100% (outside of Russia) identify you as a WIS or watch enthusiast, because no-one in their right minds would get it (and wear it) other than someone who really appreciate watches:
https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/cheapest-watch-that-unequivocally-establishes-you-as-a-watch-guy-girl.5294699/#post-53252231

blue5000 · 14-04-2021 8:01pm

Gnomon watches have a new Steinhart diver in stock

https://www.gnomonwatches.com/products/ocean-2-black

I love the hands, but it is big, 43mm. I wonder have they changed the shape of the lugs so that the watch sits a bit closer to the wrist?

Wibbs · 14-04-2021 8:09pm

Thirdfox wrote: »

the massive seals (another feature to do with lack of precision machining in the USSR)

I'd agree with your other points T, but far less so on this point, though it's commonly repeated with regard to the Vostoks. There can be a hint of the cold war US prejudice going on.

The Soviets were bloody good at precision engineering. They were the first and for a goodly while the better space faring nation and were leaders in many aspects of aerospace in general. Put it another way; if you're able to machine a movement plate to the tolerances required to have press fit jewel bearings(rather than screw chaton set which allows more leeway*) and do that as a large scale industrial process, case machining to a high enough tolerance is not a problem. Put it another way they were able to machine the press fit crystal groove to such a degree that made it both watertight at the surface and allow for expansion within that groove all the way down to 200 and 300 metre depths as part of the water resistant design.

The main reasons they went with that innovative case design were 1) longevity of materials in the field. Not having to replace the seals every time a service was required cut down long term costs and lessened the chances of failures in the field. Important in a non commercial command economy that initially had the military in mind and 2) they were always looking to the export market for hard currency sales so wanted to avoid any existing patents that would impact their bottom line(the designers of the Amphiba case make this point very clear). So the back and front openings were no great problem for the Vostok factory, what was initially an issue in large scale production with steel cases was machining lugs of all things. Hence the first examples had clumsy wire type lugs and later the tonneau case shape helped avoid lugs entirely. The early ones with lugs were all chromed brass.

This is where the AK47 comparisons tend to lose some steam. The lower tolerance AK design was deliberately designed with ease of large scale manufacture, to be as cheap as possible and have extreme robustness in the field. In the original trials that Kalashnikov won, other designers had come up with some good designs with much higher requirements for tolerances, but they'd have cost a lot more to produce and those same higher tolerances were more likely to lead to jamming in use(and required better ammunition too). They had learned the lessons of WW2 against German tech which was of extremely high tolerances and standards, but tended to be overly complex. Great when they worked, but they tended to stop working more and took longer to repair and to produce. Of course this means the AK's tend to be much less accurate a weapon compared to western types, but accurate enough.

*Chaton set is often reported as more "luxury" these days by various online expert types because they say it's more complex and labour intensive and it is, but the main reason chaton set was originally in play was because large scale manufacturing tolerances weren't so great in stamping directly into the brass plates and using a separate setting of softer material(gold or copper) and screw adjustment allowed for more leeway and easier fettling of the settings.

Ian OB · 14-04-2021 10:02pm

eljono wrote: »

I'm probably late to the party but I've just seen the new 4 face Reverso, the Hybris Mechanica, what a stunning piece of design and engineering! I've found my grail...

Perpetual calendar
Tourbillon
Minute Repeater
Indicates when there are rare lunar events and eclipses

I'm totally smitten by it I have to say. JLC have built a very good product page you can scroll on desktop and see how the various functions work, well worth a look: https://hybrismechanicacalibre185.jaeger-lecoultre.com/en

Mother of God!!

Thirdfox · 14-04-2021 10:23pm

I had read that in a few places about the Vostok's design on the seals - but equally I was impressed enough to have wanted it in the Equinox (before being foiled sadly by the tungsten requirement) - looser tolerances can be an intentional designed positive too - you wouldn't need a super precise rubber seal once you have a big chunk of it inside vs the small bit of o-ring in the one piece casebacks. So it doesn't necessarily mean the Soviets *couldn't* do it - but they didn't see the necessity to machine something so precisely (like the smaller o-rings in smaller grooves) when a massive slab of rubber seal was the better solution to the caseback problem.

https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/vostok-amphibia-an-analysis-of-design-methodology.491757/ - this thread might be useful to Fitz for why the Amphibia is considered a great dive watch (not just a great Russian/Soviet dive watch). I'd trust a 30 year old Amphibia more so than a 30 year old Rolex/Blancpain/Omega if I was going diving and had to rely on one as a tool.

Another thing it reminded me of was this: - T-34's "innovative" approach to keeping its links in the tracks attached (a bump to push in links)
https://youtu.be/BRtj_TSOHjw?t=336

none of the fancy German double links, US sculpted links - the bump does the job and does it well - so why go for added expense? (like the commentator says - the tank or the links would be expected to be last 3 battles and need replacing afterwards anyway)

Though in the caseback's case I do think it's a superior design over single piece casebacks (Equinox II hopefully!)

It's kinda why wearing an Amphibia really should say to another WIS that "this person probably knows their watches".

Fitz II · 14-04-2021 10:39pm

I have ordered a vostock...on rubber at wibbs advice in the least offensive dial/bezel combination...an Amphibian

I shall give its a good review, dont have high hopes, just need to learn to contain my excitement in the mean time.

Wibbs · 14-04-2021 10:58pm

dinorebel · 15-04-2021 12:04am

Fitz II wrote: »

I have ordered a vostock...on rubber at wibbs advice in the least offensive dial/bezel combination...an Amphibian

I shall give its a good review, dont have high hopes, just need to learn to contain my excitement in the mean time.

What are you selling to make room for it?

mailforkev · 15-04-2021 8:09am

James Bond Junior · 15-04-2021 11:15am

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I've sent feelers out about a Ballon Bleu.... let's see what comes of it. I'm glad I posted now, focused my mind.

So I have two contacts on the lookout but nothing popped up yet. By total conincidence I had a meeting with someone today and she was wearing one with an alligator strap, my wife works with me and was in the meeting for a few minutes so I told her "Féach ar an t-uaireadoir sin, cad a cheapann tú?" The beauty of working abroad, we can speak discreetly. It was a no anyway, she wants a two tone watch. Back to the drawing board I guess.

dinorebel · 15-04-2021 1:10pm

Jodie must be reading this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0te448J3tnM

Wibbs · 15-04-2021 1:19pm

Interesting that uaireadoir is Irish for watch from the Latin/French(which gives us Uhr in German) for hour. Even though Irish gave us the word Clock(bell) for, well a clock. "Watch" is an odder one. Some have suggested it was because a timepiece was in use by the officer of the watch on ships, but the word predates that. Another is the suggestion that it referred to a pocket alarm that "watched" the time for you, but that's even dafter as the tech wasn't around for that. It's probably down to a mix of a night watch person, or town crier type who "watched the time" and when the tech came along in Germany to create a portable timepiece it became a "watch" you could carry with you. Interestingly again the Irish took the continental "hour" over the English influence.

C0N0R · 15-04-2021 2:12pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

So I have two contacts on the lookout but nothing popped up yet. By total conincidence I had a meeting with someone today and she was wearing one with an alligator strap, my wife works with me and was in the meeting for a few minutes so I told her "Féach ar an t-uaireadoir sin, cad a cheapann tú?" The beauty of working abroad, we can speak discreetly. It was a no anyway, she wants a two tone watch. Back to the drawing board I guess.

I’m working in Saudi and hate it when my guys speak their own language in front of me (fluent in English!) But 100% acceptable in this situation!

James Bond Junior · 15-04-2021 2:22pm

C0N0R wrote: »

I’m working in Saudi and hate it when my guys speak their own language in front of me (fluent in English!) But 100% acceptable in this situation!

Oh it is dickish behaviour. We actively avoid doing it in fairness but I was discreet. Turned to her as the lady in question as asking the 4th person present a question so it went unnoticed.

After a follow up today my contact came back to me with a new lady constellation, 18k gold and steel with diamond hour markers. As below but at a 25% saving. She would be happy with preowned in fairness, our Irish contact would be providing preowned but can't source anything. I think I need to bring her in to look locally, she's told me she wants a watch so we may as well pick one she likes.

https://www.lunns.com/watches/For-Her/Omega/Families/4500/0515310023?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_cHhm6uA8AIVhpftCh0C5AvIEAQYAiABEgKa1fD_BwE

Fitz II · 15-04-2021 2:47pm

Constellations are the frist good watch and young lady gets, not a big birthday gift from your husband.

Big birthday....wants two tone...its got to be a datejust get a 31mm value there. ref 68273, stick to the classic dials like champagne or mother of pearl, white.

Wibbs · 15-04-2021 3:14pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I think I need to bring her in to look locally, she's told me she wants a watch so we may as well pick one she likes.

1000% this JBJ. You know her best of course, but we could suggest every watch under the sun, but she may not like any of them.

Cienciano · 15-04-2021 3:37pm

eljono wrote: »

I'm probably late to the party but I've just seen the new 4 face Reverso, the Hybris Mechanica, what a stunning piece of design and engineering! I've found my grail...

Perpetual calendar
Tourbillon
Minute Repeater
Indicates when there are rare lunar events and eclipses

I'm totally smitten by it I have to say. JLC have built a very good product page you can scroll on desktop and see how the various functions work, well worth a look: https://hybrismechanicacalibre185.jaeger-lecoultre.com/en

That's mental. Amazing piece of work. Fitz, take the back off your vostok when you get it, it's very similar to this

James Bond Junior · 15-04-2021 3:50pm

Wibbs wrote: »

1000% this JBJ. You know her best of course, but we could suggest every watch under the sun, but she may not like any of them.

I know. That said we went to a jeweller here, the same contact who supplies watches, and she had tonnes of options. I picked one ring from the whole lot and it was instantly her favourite. I'd be confident in what I would pick in fairness. A diamond tennis bracelet or a heavy gold chain are also in the running.

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 4:04pm

folks i need help picking a new watch im all over the place

to make it simple the funds available consist of the sale of my GMT and Hulk. Obviously i dont have to spend it all but if it isnt in a watch it could be subsumed elsewhere.....

Atm i have an IWC Portoguese chrono (white dial blue hands), VC Overseas deepstream, Omega darkside of the moon and a JLC 8 day perpetual calendar

I tend to prefer sportier rather than dressy watches so the IWC and JLC has me covered on the dressier front, although i was considering spending the lot on one 'special' watch but that would mean the JLC would go as two PCs arent required.

At the moment im thinking Zenith chronomaster sport white dial and something else but im not sure on that as im worried once the hype abates on those that the prices will tumble a bit.

any ideas??

Wibbs · 15-04-2021 4:09pm

I'd be thinking the same regarding the Zenith. That said I pretty much know sweet fanny adams about the new watch market so there's that.

banie01 · 15-04-2021 4:13pm

The zenith is lovely, but...
Is there anything to be said for another mass, I mean a Tudor Baytona?

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 4:14pm

banie01 wrote: »

The zenith is lovely, but...
Is there anything to be said for another mass, I mean a Tudor Baytona?

i like it but i prefer the zenith.....

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 4:42pm

i do like this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IoAGD2pzHc

eljono · 15-04-2021 5:12pm

That Cellini is stunning, have never seen that version before.

The Chronomaster Sport is a beautiful looking watch too, certainly fits the sporty brief. It will be interesting to see how values hold after a year or two though so if there's a chance of flipping it soon, perhaps better to hold off for a while?

No divers in your collection, would you consider another JLC? I have a serious grá for the Polaris, if I ever decide to sell my 300M, it'll probably be to replace it with a Polaris.

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 5:20pm

eljono wrote: »

That Cellini is stunning, have never seen that version before.

The Chronomaster Sport is a beautiful looking watch too, certainly fits the sporty brief. It will be interesting to see how values hold after a year or two though so if there's a chance of flipping it soon, perhaps better to hold off for a while?

No divers in your collection, would you consider another JLC? I have a serious grá for the Polaris, if I ever decide to sell my 300M, it'll probably be to replace it with a Polaris.

cheers, yeah that cellini is something special,

i like the polaris, toyed with one a few times but never pulled the trigger.

might look again!

Time · 15-04-2021 7:36pm

Cyrus wrote: »

folks i need help picking a new watch im all over the place

to make it simple the funds available consist of the sale of my GMT and Hulk. Obviously i dont have to spend it all but if it isnt in a watch it could be subsumed elsewhere.....

Atm i have an IWC Portoguese chrono (white dial blue hands), VC Overseas deepstream, Omega darkside of the moon and a JLC 8 day perpetual calendar

I tend to prefer sportier rather than dressy watches so the IWC and JLC has me covered on the dressier front, although i was considering spending the lot on one 'special' watch but that would mean the JLC would go as two PCs arent required.

At the moment im thinking Zenith chronomaster sport white dial and something else but im not sure on that as im worried once the hype abates on those that the prices will tumble a bit.

any ideas??

Ooof thats a tough one, you've quite the nice collection there already.

AP Royal oak (plain, chrono, or dual time) would probably be just about in budget, but might not be your style.

Some interesting blancpain models well within that range (the flyback chronograph would be my own choice), and they're something a bit different from he ususal

If you didnt have an overseas already i would have said overseas chronograph.

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 7:58pm

Time wrote: »

Ooof thats a tough one, you've quite the nice collection there already.

AP Royal oak (plain, chrono, or dual time) would probably be just about in budget, but might not be your style.

Some interesting blancpain models well within that range (the flyback chronograph would be my own choice), and they're something a bit different from he ususal

If you didnt have an overseas already i would have said overseas chronograph.

Yeah have flirted with a 50 fathoms before and had a deal done on a vc overseas Chrono that fell through after I put a deposit down!

Fitz II · 15-04-2021 8:02pm

Cyrus. You have a mighty budget there. Would you think of a pre ceramic Daytona of push the boat out to a ceramic? I know you had daytonas before. The zenith is lovely and I think it does its own thing. but prices will soften. Sell the JLC and go ceramic daytona?

The sportiest of the Calatravas

https://www.watchfinder.ie/Patek%20Philippe/Calatrava/6006G-001/41208/item/179114?searchId=b39facb2-bede-431e-9773-0fe03b4a093b&rank=1

Cyrus · 15-04-2021 8:06pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Cyrus. You have a mighty budget there. Would you think of a pre ceramic Daytona of push the boat out to a ceramic? I know you had daytonas before. The zenith is lovely and I think it does its own thing. but prices will soften. Sell the JLC and go ceramic daytona?

The sportiest of the Calatravas

https://www.watchfinder.ie/Patek%20Philippe/Calatrava/6006G-001/41208/item/179114?searchId=b39facb2-bede-431e-9773-0fe03b4a093b&rank=1

I’m refusing to buy a Rolex at a premium so that rules most of them out for me , which is a pity as I’d like a ceramic to be honest I just don’t see the price holding longer term . Probably because I just above broke even on my 116520 in the past

893bet · 15-04-2021 10:10pm

Cyrus wrote: »

I’m refusing to buy a Rolex at a premium so that rules most of them out for me , which is a pity as I’d like a ceramic to be honest I just don’t see the price holding longer term . Probably because I just above broke even on my 116520 in the past

I think it’s a rose gold Calatrava you are truely after. You have an itch there that won’t go away. But I think it would be a disappointment beside other watches in that price bracket (and even cheaper) ie a rose gold ALS in that bracket. You could buy second hand and have money left over from your budget easily.

My pick of the Calatrava is the 5296G. Comes in the rose gold 5296r as well.

James Bond Junior · 17-04-2021 9:26am

If I was to walk into Weirs and buy a new lady constellation what would I actually expect to pay? Been offered a new one locally at 25% below retail. 18k gold and steel, MOP face and diamond hour markers.

Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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