Things said in Ireland that no one says in England

tac foley · 22-09-2014 7:38pm

Even worserer is the appalling 'I would OF bought....'

tac

SpaceTime · 22-09-2014 7:40pm

I hear Donegal people saying 'I bees' for 'I am'.

tac foley · 22-09-2014 7:41pm

I guess you've never heard a Newfie speaking....

tac

The_Valeyard · 22-09-2014 7:43pm

They do not understand the word 'republic'

And have a strange pronunciation of the word 'scones'

deise08 · 22-09-2014 7:44pm

I've often raised an eye brow when talking about 'the Foxy lad or the foxy wan.'
Referring to red headed hair.
They think I'm calling them hot ha ha ha

Steve F · 22-09-2014 8:24pm

rachiedee4298 wrote: »

Rubber -- eraser

Oh and peugout - why do the English add the letter R into it?? Sounds like purrjoe

Peugout are french cars.The French pronounce it Purrjoe surely they should know the correct way to say it.The Irish are saying it wrong:rolleyes:

Blue giant · 22-09-2014 8:25pm

Steve F wrote: »

Peugout are french cars.The French pronounce it Purrjoe surely they should know the correct way to say it.The Irish are saying it wrong:rolleyes:

You would think so but yet here we are.

feargale · 22-09-2014 8:34pm

Stepping Stone wrote: »

They say 'I was sat' we say 'I sat' or 'I was sitting'.

We are grammatically correct. That said, I repeatedly hear 'I do be' here and I die a tiny bit every time.

No need to die. It's Irish present continuous which I don't think exists in English e.g. Bím ag snámh.

SpaceTime · 22-09-2014 8:55pm

Steve F wrote: »

Peugout are french cars.The French pronounce it Purrjoe surely they should know the correct way to say it.The Irish are saying it wrong:rolleyes:

I'm a French speaker and you're both wrong in different ways…

To my ear the Irish version is closer to correct though. The English one would be but they tend to stress the intrusive R and make it sound totally weird.

It is absolutely not Paaair Joe though which is the English say it. But then again the French feck up English words all the time and wouldn't expect non-French speakers to say it exactly right. At least (unlike the Spanish who just read it exactly is written) the Irish and British make an effort!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrvIcYEhoAY

This guy has an accent and isn't a native speaker but he can certainly pronounce Peugeot even if he can't spell it.

Les irlandais aren't too far off. Just pout more when saying it the Irish way and you're very close to correct.

Stepping Stone · 22-09-2014 10:16pm

feargale wrote: »

No need to die. It's Irish present continuous which I don't think exists in English e.g. Bím ag snámh.

That is all well and good in Irish, but in English it is incorrect. Perhaps it is just my family. My mother is a fluent Irish speaker but always emphasised the fact that people will always judge you on your spoken English once they meet you. Grammatical inaccuracies would make you regret opening your mouth!

Kettleson · 22-09-2014 10:23pm

Irish: "That's OK then so".

English: "That's OK then".

The extra "so" says so much.

Kettleson · 22-09-2014 10:28pm

Quite clearly they cant get their heads around how to say "Belfast", and none of their 4 options is correct in my particular vernacular dictionary.

http://www.howjsay.com/index.php?word=belfast&submit=Submit

tac foley · 22-09-2014 10:42pm

So how, my Welsh wife asks, would an Irish person pronounce Llanrhaedr-ym-Mochnant?

Or maybe just Ymddiradolaeth Genadlaethol Cymru?

tac

jonnny68 · 22-09-2014 10:44pm

The English always gave me funny looks anytime I said jaysus... One even asked if I was religious I said a few times lol

JanaMay · 22-09-2014 11:06pm

Stepping Stone wrote: »

They say 'I was sat' we say 'I sat' or 'I was sitting'.

We are grammatically correct. That said, I repeatedly hear 'I do be' here and I die a tiny bit every time. 'I would have bought, etc' is another uniquely Irish one. Conditional tense mixed in there must be confusing for anyone from outside Ireland.

In what context is 'I would have bought' incorrect, or particular to Ireland ? It's a 3rd conditional clause.

Meangadh · 22-09-2014 11:26pm

"I'm after doing something" as opposed to "I did something".

"The happy/sad/angry head on him".

- both of course coming from Irish anyway. There are loads more examples of phrases that come from Irish, some mentioned here already.

JohnInDublin59 · 22-09-2014 11:41pm

I think people have mentioned ‘the messages’ for ‘the shopping’ and ‘sliced pan’ for ‘sliced loaf’.

Another Irish one is eg ‘tell him I was asking for him’ meaning tell him I said hello, give him my best wishes etc. Having lived in the UK, that would be taken to mean ‘tell him I was looking for him’.

The British do seem to have an uncanny ability to mispronounce Irish names – a notorious example being former Taoiseach CJ Hockey.

It also annoys me when they insist on calling the excellent Irish comedian David O’Doherty ‘O’Docherty’. And he seems to be too polite to correct them. (I know that is not he pronounces it himself as I have seen him live a no of times.)

OTOH, I can never get used to the Irish letter ‘Ore’. As in Ore-Tee-Ee. Or that great medical drama, Eeyore.

alias no.9 · 22-09-2014 11:50pm

Double negatives become positives but we have the only commonly used double positive inferring a negative

Yeah right!

Meangadh · 23-09-2014 12:05am

Kerry bet Donegal yesterday. Not beat. Bet.

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 12:10am

jonnny68 wrote: »

The English always gave me funny looks anytime I said jaysus... One even asked if I was religious I said a few times lol

Odd, considering "the English" use the expression too, particularly posher ones actually when you give them a bit of a fright.

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 12:12am

The one I don't get is why Cork people swap the verbs "to let" and "to leave" and don't even notice they're doing anything wrong (even really well spoken academics).

"I left the cat out" (which sounds like you snubbed the cat!)
"She left me out of the car" (Which means she excluded you from the car)

Also, the Beatles did not have a song called "Leave it be".

23-09-2014 12:32am

An English friend of mine, living in London, was telling me about a 'religious nut' he was avoiding at work. She was new and Irish and he had to go home sick one day and as he was going she wished him well and unexpectedly announced "God loves you!" He was really creeped out and stayed out of her way after that. When I dug a little deeper I discovered her actual words were "ah ya poor thing. God love ya!" Which sounds similar but is completely different.

feargale · 23-09-2014 12:50am

Stepping Stone wrote: »

That is all well and good in Irish, but in English it is incorrect. Perhaps it is just my family. My mother is a fluent Irish speaker but always emphasised the fact that people will always judge you on your spoken English once they meet you. Grammatical inaccuracies would make you regret opening your mouth!

Fine if somebody wants to speak the Queen's English, but Hiberno-English has its place in the world too, much as American English, Quebec French or Brazilian Portuguese.

madmaggie · 23-09-2014 12:58am

Ahh, lads!

Into The Blue · 23-09-2014 7:37am

I have a Polish mate who cannot pronounce my name the way I do.. Nor do I expect him to.

So why would we expect the British to pronounce words (O'Doherty) the way we do?

franer1970 · 23-09-2014 8:19am

Has any mentioned "yo-gurt" (Ireland) and "yog-urt" (UK)??

who the fug · 23-09-2014 8:23am

Into The Blue wrote: »

I have a Polish mate who cannot pronounce my name the way I do.. Nor do I expect him to.

So why would we expect the British to pronounce words (O'Doherty) the way we do?

Because they take a the piss for

Three
Thirty
etc.

So I take a piss out of them for

Cathal
Donegal
Haughey
etc etc

Best use to be when Kevin Moran was still playing and they seemed to be, **** scared of calling it as it is

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 11:50am

franer1970 wrote: »

Has any mentioned "yo-gurt" (Ireland) and "yog-urt" (UK)??

Actually, if you're extremely posh its also yo-gurt in the UK too.

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 11:54am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

An English friend of mine, living in London, was telling me about a 'religious nut' he was avoiding at work. She was new and Irish and he had to go home sick one day and as he was going she wished him well and unexpectedly announced "God loves you!" He was really creeped out and stayed out of her way after that. When I dug a little deeper I discovered her actual words were "ah ya poor thing. God love ya!" Which sounds similar but is completely different.

Yeah, I think we don't notice that our language is peppered with religiosity but then again English people do similar when they say things like "Ahwww, Bless!" "God bless" (instead of bye) and Cor blyme me literally means "May god blind me".

Older Irish people can tend to come out with really odd ones though. Like I've old 80+ year olds relatives wwho aren't religious really at all but to express shock : 'oh! Jesus, Mary & Joseph!"
Really really shocked adds something about the saints to it.

You definitely get some odd ones though in both countries, especially with older people.

I don't know what kind of English, politically correct, linguistically athiest types with perfect grammar and diction you are all talking to.

uck51js9zml2yt · 23-09-2014 11:54am

Maybe not spoken but definitely thought by politicians.
I've done something seriously wrong in office and don't need to resign and sure the idiots will re-elect me next time round do I can do it again.

gugleguy · 23-09-2014 12:00pm

irish saying : me - feinism ( on my smartphone cannot add fada’s)
in england: self interestness.

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 12:06pm

gugleguy wrote: »

irish saying : me - feinism ( on my smartphone cannot add fada’s)
in england: self interestness.

That translates as a word that sounds like banker but starts with W.

Mé Fein ism comes from a political play on words Sinn Fein vs the Mé Fein party...

23-09-2014 12:20pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

Yeah, I think we don't notice that our language is peppered with religiosity but then again English people do similar when they say things like "Ahwww, Bless!" "God bless" (instead of bye) and Cor blyme me literally means "May god blind me

Agree. We're so used to it now we don't notice. Its more obvious in the Irish language. E.g Dia duit. Dia is Muire dhuit.
Never knew that about cor blyme. Pretty interesting.

tac foley · 23-09-2014 12:23pm

Does anybody here, living in England, live in the North East, say around Newcastle?

Or Cumbria?

Or deepest Norfolk or Suffolk?

THAT's where the strongest regional accents and differential usage of English occurs. The famous boradcaster and writer, Melvin Bragg, was brought up in Cumbria, and had to learn to speak 'standard English' at quite a late age, sixteen, he notes in the book, 'The Adventure of English' - here is an example...

'Deke's you gadji ower yonder wid't dukal an't baary mort gaan t'beck'.

Translation - 'Look at that man over here with the dog and the sexy girl going down to the river'.

Of course, Irish also has its regional differences, but at least they are more or less mutually intelligible.

tac

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 12:24pm

tac foley wrote: »

Does anybody here, living in England, live in the North East, say around Newcastle?

Or Cumbria?

Or deepest Norfolk or Suffolk?

THAT's where the strongest regional accents and differential usage of English occurs. The famous boradcaster and writer, Melvin Bragg, was brought up in Cumbria, and had to learn to speak 'standard English' at quite a late age, sixteen, he notes in the book, 'The Adventure of English' - here is an example...

'Deke's you gadji ower yonder wid't dukal an't baary mort gaan t'beck'.

Translation - 'Look at that man over here with the dog and the sexy girl going down to the river'.

Of course, Irish also has its regional differences, but at least they are more or less mutually intelligible.

tac

Try putting someone from deepest Kerry on the phone with someone from a remote part of East Donegal and you'll see how compatible they are.

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 12:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Agree. We're so used to it now we don't notice. Its more obvious in the Irish language. E.g Dia duit. Dia is Muire dhuit.
Never knew that about cor blyme. Pretty interesting.

You also notice ones that you're less used to hearing and don't notice your own ones.

I know an American who thought the English were incredibly religious because every time she sneezes someone said oh! Bless You!

Where as in general Americans can be much, much more likely to be incredibly religious compared to Irish or British types who might use the odd phrase like that due to lingusitic tradition.

23-09-2014 12:34pm

tac foley wrote: »

Does anybody here, living in England, live in the North East, say around Newcastle?

Or Cumbria?

Or deepest Norfolk or Suffolk?

THAT's where the strongest regional accents and differential usage of English occurs. The famous boradcaster and writer, Melvin Bragg, was brought up in Cumbria, and had to learn to speak 'standard English' at quite a late age, sixteen, he notes in the book, 'The Adventure of English' - here is an example...

'Deke's you gadji ower yonder wid't dukal an't baary mort gaan t'beck'.

Translation - 'Look at that man over here with the dog and the sexy girl going down to the river'.

Of course, Irish also has its regional differences, but at least they are more or less mutually intelligible.

tac

I'm a kiwi, but lived up by Newcastle for a few years, and was with a girl from Cumbria. It's a whole different language up there. People often didn't have a clue what I was saying, but it was mutual. I remember catching a taxi the first time I went to Sunderland, and I literally had no clue what he was saying to me.

tac foley · 23-09-2014 12:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Agree. We're so used to it now we don't notice. Its more obvious in the Irish language. E.g Dia duit. Dia is Muire dhuit.
Never knew that about cor blyme. Pretty interesting.

Standardised spelling is 'Cor blimey'.

tac

AnLonDubh · 23-09-2014 12:53pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

Older Irish people can tend to come out with really odd ones though. Like I've old 80+ year olds relatives wwho aren't religious really at all but to express shock : 'oh! Jesus, Mary & Joseph!"

My friends and I would still say this now, we're all under thirty. Interesting how things date differently in different areas.

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 12:55pm

Basil3 wrote: »

I'm a kiwi, but lived up by Newcastle for a few years, and was with a girl from Cumbria. It's a whole different language up there. People often didn't have a clue what I was saying, but it was mutual. I remember catching a taxi the first time I went to Sunderland, and I literally had no clue what he was saying to me.

Newcastle is a full dialect in reality. Many of the words aren't even the same. It's a lot more than an accent thing. It's the same with Glasgow etc

Actually the Kiwi accent poses a lot of problems if you're not used to it. While it's usually quite clear it radically changes the length of vowels. That can make it sound totally unrecognisable as English especially to 2nd language speakers and Americans who are completely unaware of it.

Your brain takes a while to readjust to the changes in phonetics.

Some South African accents do a similar thing to the vowels.

Australia actually slightly lengthens them even though other aspects of the accent aren't dissimilar to NZ.

dom40 · 23-09-2014 1:08pm

when english people i know visit me they always say when they need to use the toilet"can i borrow your toilet please?" I always ask them to bring it back when they are finished with it,they dont half give me some funny looks ..

23-09-2014 1:12pm

Into The Blue wrote: »

I have a Polish mate who cannot pronounce my name the way I do.. Nor do I expect him to.

So why would we expect the British to pronounce words (O'Doherty) the way we do?

Bit of a difference in new names that arrived recently and should be written with characters unfamiliar to us and the names which have been in England for decades if not centuries.

The in Ireland we have accents, in England they pretty much have dialect IMO. Kinda sad to think how much could be lost in the next while.

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 1:21pm

dom40 wrote: »

when english people i know visit me they always say when they need to use the toilet"can i borrow your toilet please?" I always ask them to bring it back when they are finished with it,they dont half give me some funny looks ..

Try saying that to Americans. The toilet is unmentionable, let alone using it!

You politely enquire about the location of the bathroom as if you're just interested in the architecture of their home.

I remember in France we were in an old lady's house and a US friend of mine asked in direct translated French asked if she could use the bathroom.

She said OK... Do you want a towel? I have some nice new shower gel on the shelf!

Then turned to me and said : the Americans are obcessed with showering!

The toilet and bathroom in French houses are often different rooms.

She then got into an "ohh you need to go for a pee!" Well, the toilet is in the toilet not the bathroom! If you're going for a ... make sure you open the window

Then she made a bad joke about how the top loader washing machine (also in the bathroom) isn't a toilet.

The american was now bright red!

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 23-09-2014 4:00pm

In Ireland: Skanger or Knacker;
In England: Chav

ghogie91 · 23-09-2014 4:10pm

Chatting my English cousin on holidays

Me: "Well whats the craic?"
Cousin "Well what? Craic?"

ike · 23-09-2014 4:53pm

Ireland: "Be da fcuk"

England: "I say"

gugleguy · 23-09-2014 5:04pm

In Ireland: 'milking the bejaysus out of'

In England: 'squeezing every last drop out of'

SpaceTime · 23-09-2014 5:58pm

ghogie91 wrote: »

Chatting my English cousin on holidays

Me: "Well whats the craic?"
Cousin "Well what? Craic?"

Interestingly crack / craic meaning fun originates in Northern English dialects not Gaelige.

Comes from "kraken" meaning a loud explosion (of sound). Very Germanic origin. It just got popularised in modern hiberno-English

Press for cupboard is a Gaelic origin "preas".
It appears in dialects of French influenced by Breton too. Also got some degree of use in Northern England dialects.

Also pan for a loaf bread is pure French / Latin.
It's just those unsophisticated English puritan types who don't appreciate it.

Most likely route into Irish English is through French as the Normans influenced terminology for food - beef, pork, mutton etc

JohnInDublin59 · 23-09-2014 7:44pm

Into The Blue wrote: »

I have a Polish mate who cannot pronounce my name the way I do.. Nor do I expect him to.

So why would we expect the British to pronounce words (O'Doherty) the way we do?

It is not that they CANNOT pronounce O'Doherty in the way we do. It is that they do not take the time to find out how it should be pronounced.

As a general rule it is good manners to pronounce someone’s name the way they pronounce it. If David O’Doherty doesn’t pronounce his name O'Docherty, neither should they. Any more than they should have called Haughey Hockey.

My theory is that it’s not any kind of anti-Irishness. It’s more that if it was some African leader’s name, the BBC would never assume it was pronounced as spelled. But since we speak the same language as them, they assume we have the same pronunciation.

An Riabhach · 23-09-2014 7:51pm

Into The Blue wrote: »

I have a Polish mate who cannot pronounce my name the way I do.. Nor do I expect him to.

So why would we expect the British to pronounce words (O'Doherty) the way we do?

Why don't you just teach him how to say it?

Things said in Ireland that no one says in England

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